8 Light Side Orders That Competed With and Rivaled the Jedi Order
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The Non-Canon Expert describes eight light side orders that despite their connection to the light side, rivaled and operated outside of the tenants of the Jedi Order. - Zábava
Here it is! Our follow-up to the dark side Orders that rivaled the Sith, this time looking at eight light side Orders that rivaled the Jedi. This video was highly requested recently, so I hope that you all enjoy it!
Oh, and only ONE WEEK until Thrawn: Alliances! :)
I heard the J in Jedi hubris and i nearly jumped thinking you were gonna say Jakku.
Now you just need a video of the 8 not so lightside but not so darkside either orders and the circle will be complete.
Star Wars Reading Club what about the Jensari?
You kind of forgot about the gray paladins didn't you? And the Jenssari.
Not to mention the Jal Shey. Where they lie in what side of the force they follow I am not sure, but as they seem to detest war and are good at negotiating arguments and conflicts, I assume they are lightsiders as well.
On Wookieepedia, in the history of the Jal Shey, there was a mention of a separate group called the Mabari, which though they were a warrior group, might also have been lightsiders.
The fact that the Jedi sought to eradicate even other LIGHT SIDE sects makes them even more dubious. No wonder Ahsoka Tano left.
#PalpatineDidNothingWrong
The jedi were walking the path to becoming something like a crusader. All other force sects must be purged, for the good of all.
@@fangorn23 --- But that doesn't make it right!
No but that is lawful good if the other orders are chaotic then they need guidance, is what I think most of the jedi think
Yeah but truthfully the Jedi had one point wrong. The thought that the dark side was morally wrong. The force itself is alive. It has a will I guess and if it connects to both the dark and the light users then the Jedi can go play God and deem what the forces will is. I see why the Jedi could never see that older 66 was coming. Because they didn't serve the force they used the force to serve themselves. The force dosent care if you light in heart or dark it just flows and connects so in reality forget the jedi.
"From my point of view the jedi are evil" - Every force sensitive who doesn't want to become a jedi.
Then why were the Baran Do happy enough to meet with Luke and Jacen? Why is the worst thing hte Fallanassi could say about the Jedi was that they interfered?
The Jedi were friendly to these orders. Try to read the books.
@@levongevorgyan6789 The one you referring to of the Baran Do happy enough to meet with Luke and Jacen is brand new & reformed Jedi Order of the post-galactic civil war republic newly reformed..... not the old order of the Old Republic.
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It's Luke's Jedi that're friendly to these other light-side orders.... &, unless I miss my guess, Luke didn't discover The Fallanassi until somewhere after the newly formation of the Luke's reformed Jedi Order as well as the New Republic!
@@TheGoldenWildcat All their criticisms of the Old Jedi Order are based on a difference in methodology, NOT on the old Jedi oppressing or terrorizing them.
You'd think they'd mention that. But they didn't. Because it NEVER happened.
@@levongevorgyan6789Still.... from my P.O.V. The Jedi more like the European Christians version of West Boro Church of Force users.... hubris, bigoted, & self-righteous. Even though, to be good-sporting fair.... 'The Jedi' also of course, at the same time.... that in spite of them be as it may aren't perfect, they do most have done something right to bring about 1000yrs of relative peace. jedi just discouraged this types of groups to keep order and that's it. That they weren't exactly purging them or anything like that.... just cause they weren't right 100% of the time in their methods, it's just them misguilded in them. I admit that they weren't... exactly say, trying to kill other light-siders.... just mostly persuade and convert, & really they don't go out of their way to kill every other force user that wasn't the Jedi, or at the least, not intentionally.
@@TheGoldenWildcat And you are wrong. Bigoted? Only against nut jobs that like killing people for fun. Self Righteous? Hubristic? Compared to the Sith, they are nothing. The Jedi are the good guys, remember? They have their flaws but they don't go around persecuting or attacking other, peaceful Force organizations. If they did, none of the others would exist.
The more I hear about the jedi order in general the more I'm starting to believe the force LET order 66 happen to re-balance the galaxy from the jedi's dogmatic views.
joshua cochran That’s 100% what happened, that’s why Anakin brought balance to the force. He wiped out all of the Jedi and then the sith as well
Very good point balance between the light and dark is what the force requires hence they allowed the Jedi to be nearly eradicated and later the Sith as well, I think that’s what maintaining the balance of the force means
Damn, the force is pro-genocide?
Erik Johnson yea for the balance of the universe
Spot on. The Je'daii order, a precursor to both Jedi and Sith, were cognizant of all aspects of the force, and avoided going to far to the light or the dark (even sending its members to opposing temples to meditate if they were becoming too immersed in one or the other), but when they split the groups they became embraced either the Light or the Dark and largely forgot the middle. Anakin destroyed the Jedi order that had become corrupt, then destroyed the Sith, and the only remaining "Jedi" was more like a gray Jedi as he refused to be consumed by the dark but frequently made use of the dark side of the force (as could be seen when he force-choked a gamorrean and in other content used force lightning), was less dogmatic, and even went against his mentors (both Obi and Yoda expected him to kill Vader, but he overpowered him in a dark side rage but then turned away from it) who were certainly pleasantly surprised given their force ghosts at the end of Episode 6.
It truly is a shame that the Zeison Sha, the Matukai, and Jensaarai never got further development in the novels or comics. It would have been cool to see these groups fight the Vong or Krayt's Sith in the Legacy era.
They did get quite a bit of development though. I have plaid as both within the Star Wars table top roleplaying game. As mentioned in my stand alone comment my favorite was the Zeison Sha. In fact I liked them so much I never played as Jedi or Sith in that game again, and even installed something on my Knights of the Old Republic II game to have my character able to wear Zeison Sha armor.
I love the matukai
I whole hardly agree with you on that! Tell me.... what your take on this?
The Zeison Sha should have been a third faction in SWTOR.
I love that many force societies existed. I loved Jacens and Luke’s exploration of those societies.
Twice the pride double the fall?
I've been looking forward to this
I am just finding out about all these star wars books and comic books and now I want to read everything!!!
The Aing-Tii are easily my favorite group of those eight. There is just something extremely cool about powers involving time and space. The Matukai would be number two on my list because they are an order that isn't interested in only those with a strong connection to the Force, but is also open to weaker Force-users. It's very much an organization that supports hard work.
Owen Kahn Thanks. Just updated the pic today.
ImperialistOpinions same I really like them
Same. I like the visual description of the Aing-Tii as well.
Of these my favorite are the Zeison Sha. They used chakram weapons made of materials capable of withstanding lightsabers and cutting through virtually anything as their primary weapons and concentrated on the telekinetic powers possible through the force. They used these abilities to control the chakram, often fighting with multiples of the weapons.
The old EU was awesome.
Indeed
Disney star wars should be EU not the lore that is real star wars and doesn't do it's best to destroy it
Lego star wars the freemakers adventures was good
It was good but did have some stinkers. Like making vader's suit be super cheap in universe. I get that it was probably to show that sheev was evil and the system was inefficient, but my view of darth vader is ruined now that I know he can be immoblized by pressing a button on his chest.
Ye man it was greater with Britain
So basically the philosophy of the Jedi was:
Either you’re a Jedi, obey us or you are a threat to be eliminated. You’re with us or you’re against us.
Hexmaster23 And to think that only Sith deal in absolutes.But then again...
Yoda:Do or do not!There is no try.
Well the Jedi didn't actually attack any of them. They just didn't agree with them.
Sheev Palpatine
Not exactly stupid, it just shows how blind and self-centered the Jedi were
The Jedi didn’t directly destroy them directly but they do absorb the orders that are and slowly take over the order’s present and power in the system they are prominent until the people don’t even know the order existed or just calling them Jedi though how differ their beliefs are from the Jedi
There is no think only do. The Jedi know the path.
What about neutral/indifferent force orders like the jedaai order
I'd love that video
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yeah, Jedaai, Voss Mystics, Grey Paladins, Zakuul Knights, Zakuul Scions, Mandalorian Knights, Imperial Knights
Honest Happy Hater what about order of Sasha and revanknigths or are they more of a cult/dark neutral order
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yeah, forgot about them.
Order of Shasa was leaning to the light side, but they were focused on protecting Manaan and the Selkath, rather than serving the light, so I guess they can be considered neutral. Well, until Darth Vader corrupted them.
And yeah, Revanites were mostly neutral. That applies both to Revanites from Dromund Kaas jungle and Revanites that followed Revan to Yavin 4 and aided him in his failed attempt to awaken and kill Vitiate.
Also, I forgot about Nekghouls. I guess they count, because no taking side means true and untainted neutrality
Like "the Great Order of Meh" or the ever famous "idontcarewhatyoudoleavemealone order". ^__^
Love the video 10/10 would watch again
Speaking of watching it again I already have only 2 weeks :/
Luke was right in The Last Jedi. The Jedi were arrogant in believing that they should be the sole guardians of the force.
Luke in the Disney Wars cannon is NOT Luke nothing in DW is true SW. The Jedi were more than OP enough to sustain peace in the galaxy. They did it for well over 20,000 years to the best of there ability. Lot's of wars broke out in this time but it's okay JEDI GANG !!!
ClockworkAlex well he is right about the Jedi order being arrogant and seeing the dark side as just pure evil. Luke could have made the Je”daii order who follow the light side and dark side teaching. But no he went to the killing himself path which is stupid in my opinion.
You can't agree with something in Disney canon without being tainted by its corporate sociopathy. You must redeem your damned soul!
@@jacobsoltero2872 They did it much better in the old EU the order became arogant twice once beforw the Jedi Civil War and most arogant members were wiped out during the Dark Wars and only the best and brightest Jedi survied to rebuild and learn from the mistakes of their predecessors hower this leson was lost after the Republic colapsed during the 1000s years darkness and the New Sith Wars which began to grow arogant once more due to growing overconfident and self justified as they thought their eternal foe the Sith dead but they were painfuly wrong and 2000 years later that would bite them in the ass with order 66 once again the best survied while the corupt died. Luke and those who surived order 66 and the Empire learned of the anicent past and learned from its mistakes along with their own that alowed Sidious to rise to power. The Jedi post episode 6 Luke built were free of the arogance and hubris the old order was and closer to what the Clone War order would consider gray jedi.
@@jacobsoltero2872
Jeez get over yourself stop bitching and acting like you own star wars. You can cry all you want but in no way does that make your statements true you don't get to decide what is real star wars and what doesn't count. If you had your way you'd be having Darth Jar Jar running around and Luke doing the most absurd fanboy shit you can think of regardless of it not making any sense.
The Matukai and Baran Do Sages are two of my favourites on this list
There are three additional sects to add to this list. The Altisian Jedi, the Teepo Paladins and an offshoot of them, the Gray Paladins.
I like the picture at 8:56.
“Lighside groups that competed with the jedi”
1st group - always supported the jedi
-.-
What about Kreia-esque orders who oppose the existence of the Force itself?
As far as I know such thing never existed in Legends and certainly not in Canon, Nihilus was the only one who shared this view but only to feed himself.
@@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician and Sion only stayed with Kriea because he wanted to destroy the Jedi. However in all honesty, I wish you could destroy the force (or go against it) like Kriea would've wanted. Though there is a Gray side for Kotor 2, I dont think it actually changes the ending, which is either light or dark.
Too bad the "Grey Side" was mostly being indifferent or self-servinf.
"Supernova" sounds more like a cover up for Thought Bombs being sent by the Jedi to destroy these rival orders... Yes, even in the world of Science Fiction I am a conspiracy theorist.
Thought Bombs are a Sith tool. The Jedi hate thought bombs. The Jedi gave their lives to try and stop Thought Bombs.
@@levongevorgyan6789 You don't get jokes do you?
Hard to when a bunch of other people are making the same nonsense claims,
It should be noted that the Baran Do were actually on good terms with the Jedi, since their ideologies overlapped a lot with each other. Because of this the Jedi considered the baran do's philosophy as a welcome secondary perspective of the force and even allowed their Ken Dor Jedi to also become members of the Baran Do sages and be both a Jedi and a sage at the same time
These stories are so good to tell in Star Wars Legends, but Dosney should put these Stories from Legends back in to Star Wars Cannon.
Imagine if the new trilogy was about a star wars world and the force after the end of the sith and jedi? Imagine that? Noo, they have to do fanservice
Hello @Star Wars Reading Club I love your content and when I'm at a loss of what to do with my time there is always one or more of your videos to watch, thanks for your passion for star wars and thanks for sharing it with us all 😉
The virgin Jedi VS The chad Matukai
Neutral Force orders next? I know 5: Zakuul Knights, Zakuul Scions, Voss Mystics, Imperial Knights and Mandalorian Knights. Are there any more?
Honest Happy Hater Their also the Je”daii order
@D arren Have you heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?
@D arren What about the Wookie Attack on the Droids?
I thought the Grey Paladins weren't necessarily Grey Jedi, but just used blasters (in a John Woo/Matrix/Alphas dex Style) and other non Jedi weapons, as well as lightsabers occasionally. And they could shoot incoming blaster fire.
They were a light side order, and like many others had a quiet giggle after Order 66, since they were hard to detect as Jedi. They all just used guns like they had main character plot armour.
Night sister?
Great stuff, i had only heard of a few of these
Sith Lord: Commits galaxy-wide atrocities to gain power from mass suffering.
Edgelords: But but but the Jedi can be too dogmatic sometimes! Obviously they're the real bad guys!
People didnt Even watch the video, the Jedi literally had no hostile relationship with any of the orders mentioned here, and they are saying Jedi exterminated them
Jedi are much lesser evil than the Sith, yet, from a realistic perspective, they are stagnant dogmatic zealots, especially before the Clone Wars (in which they literally betrayed their ideals to become army generals). Just saying.
What of sub orders such as the Correlian Jedi that not only allowed relationships but promoted families and havong children?
The Green Jedi were more like Correlian soldiers with Jedi training, really. (Or Jedi who left the order and joined Correlia military instead)
That only exists because some 10 year old wrote a letter to Lucas whining about wanting to marry and be a Jedi. The moral: Everything in Star Wars is made up and canon if you can get people to agree with you.
@@douglassfunnie9959 or if you're the creator of said series and you get the final say in the matter
Personally I liked the force & nature priests of the Ithorians from KOTOR2 the best.
When I saw a picture of Viera Sarat, I was like 'great, gotta read fate denied again!'
Good narration, thanks...
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The best jedi aren't Jedi at all but just grays neither Sith or jedi something in between
True
My charater sakatar in swtor is a gray jedi Echaani, it's so much fun role playing him
So your just going to ignore luke and obi wan? Ok
@@joshuaharewood1089 Luke was a grey jedi even his jedi academy allowed students to learn both sides of the force for understanding even obi wan bent the rules on occasion that's the thing about being gray it can be very free form
@@TheWarpmind Grey jedi are normally discrided as people who dont have a retricted code or people who use the light and the dark. Luke is neither as he does not teach the use of the dark but how to overcome it and the fact that he teaches them how not to do it means theres a code.
Excellent Legends Vid!
The Guardians of the Breath
sounds very like Celts. Almost all is passed down in an oral tradition.
True. Though the Picts at least left behind stone carvings.
Matthew St. Cyr It was specifically the Druids, the religious, priestly caste of the pagan Celts, who had an oral tradition. They considered it profane to record their religious traditions.
While the ogam writing system was used, usually for grave markers and other things of that nature, among the Gaelic and Brythonic Celts of Ireland and Britain prior to the introduction of the Latin alphabet in the 4th century, the average Celt was illiterate, as were most other average people of other cultures of the time whereas the higher or more noble classes did have some literary ability. The Druids, being one of the noble classes, did have access to this knowledge but chose not to use it.
Mikhail Romanos I am already aware, but thanks.
hahahahahahahahahaha\
*Any civilization that didn't popularize literacy
Fascinating topic for a video! It's tempting to equate the Jedi with the totality of the light side of the Force, but of course theirs can be only one interpretation.
You, sir, are an absolute need.
It. Is. Glorious.
Tfw the Jedi aint gonna tolerate other interpetation of the force
Tfw they did and had friendly competitions/tests with the Baran Do, were welcomed by the Aing Tii, and were only disliked by the Fallanassi cause they got off their asses and tried to make the galaxy a better place instead of being non-interventionist.
What are You even? When do the Jedi become hostile to anyone in this list? Did You even watch the video?
@@daviddeaguiar5643 Cultural destruction is just as bad as genocide.
@@hainleysimpson1507 i mean, not really, or at all
You should do a video of light and dark side orders other than the Jedi and sith that rivel each othe.
And a video of light side organizations that survived order 66. That vader didn't know about. Or Care.
These are some of my favourite videos
Awesome video topic bro, what about grey jedi/bendu Like beings that followed different types of religion
Wonderful research, as ever!
Fascinating video!
You helped me find wat I was looking for. The fallanassi
While i get that it was technically one big war, every time you say "the clone war" I die a little
As always, wonderful video Star Wars Reading Club!
Awesome vid
The stream is tomorrow, can't wait!
Wow those stone lizard monks look just like I imagined they would!
Favorite Force Orders: Jenessaarai, Tyia, Findsmen, Matukai, and the Fallanassi. Not necessarily in that order.
Im surprised the Jal-shey were not mentioned
If there's anybody in Star Wars that could express an opinion that would actually matter outside of the movers and shakers of this thing. It'd be this guy even though I didn't find the light side group that he highlighted as interesting as he did. It did cause me to perk up just a little bit more. Always great buddy thanks
Always interesting to see the different ways the light side of the force could be used. The dark side is very direct it’s powers, the light side definitely has some unexplored opportunities.
I love you, dude. I really do, but I need to ask you the same question I ask my friends whenever Jedi-or-Sith conversations come up: "Why not jensaari?"
11:55 oh yea baby, work the shaft too
Yes I ask this question but in a different way
here before order 66
What about gray organizations ones that follow both the light and dark
you forgot to mention the ossus order. good video :P
Very good.
Falanassi are my favourite,by far,and Jedi predacessors..Jed'ddi or something like that..
@Star Wars Reading Club I'm really surprised you didn't mention the Altisan Jedi.
I also left a like for Jedi hubris.
The only group that the Jedi seemed to go against were the ones they forgot to retrieve
Looking forward to the stream tomorrow i have some talking points i want to bring up like 3 more hero and villian pairs which in my opinion should be added to battlefront 2 and the maps and abilities they should bring with them.
RKMNgaming what time is the stream tomorrow?
E M 3 pm Eastern standard time
RKMNgaming ok thanks. I'll try to join you guys.
Thank you for not excluding the expanded universe of old
Good shit 👍
The aing tii sound quite cool it’s interesting to hear about these other light side orders, shame many are no longer canon
I always wished that this stuff was used for a movie or something. A modern Jedi and modern Sith who strays from their traditional views being more interested in their respective opposite sides to gain more knowledge and power while also remaining align in their own force side or at least turning ‘grey’ (balance) in their learning.
You should do one on all the force religions currently in canon!
Nice list.
What about the Jal Shey though?
Pretty cool
You could say the Jedi Order itself went against the light.
No, not really. These other orders were more then happy to meet with and share with the Jedi.
Why do u lie, u piece of sith spawn?
What I love about this comment section is that people are for the most part not fighting over shit like TLJ but rather just having fun and talking about something we all share in common. A love of star wars
leon kennedy - Spot on!!
I was afraid to jinx it lol
That was awesome. Do you think there are enough to do a video on Force traditions that were either neutral in the light an dark, or that saw the light/dark as a false dichotomy?
The oppressive and evil Jedi , could not stand the fact that the force did not belong to them alone.
They destroyed any order that worshipped the force other than themselves.
They told the galaxy that they were wiped out by super novas and other natural disasters .
But we know the truth don't we .
Frank Fogel
#palpatinedidnothingwrong
The Jedi were treasonous murderous kidnappers .
Well they do kidnap children by traditions so they could have been doing it before it was legal and train children to fight with weapons
The Jedi are holy and just.
Frank Fogel , you and me mister we could really out ugly those sons of bitches couldn't we?
Hey! I love your video's (and especially the end parts lol) and was wondering where the Grey fell in all this.
Were they that of pure balance as I have been led to believe?
Or were they more like the Je'dii in their philosophy and views apon the force?
Good video.
So you say the Zeison Sha order began like 2000 years before clone wars, but there’s mention of Zeison Sha equipment in Kotor II, which is like 10 years after the Mandalorian Wars, which are in like 4000 BBY
This is legends.
Was hoping to see some mention of the Killian Rangers. Would you mind doing a video on them?
In the opening picture, who is that on the left, they look awesome !
This helps me understand the Acolyte show more!
So which of these orders does the Jedi Path see as threat? I imagine the Zaison Sha but it's unclear if any of the other orders are even mentioned in the path.
I left a like for *extremely reasonable questions* leading to new videos!
The iron knights: Are we a joke to you?
Can we get a video on grey orders next?
Nice video! Now I wonder if there where any organisation who have a philosophy where both sides of the force are used.
OverlordMGC Over there is and they were called the jeedii order
Thanks for you answer but I already know the Je'daii. I should have it written in my comment sorry.
Sounds like my LS Sith Marauder would fit in with the Matukai☺.
The fallanassi sound almost exactly like a light side version of the nightsisters.
What about the Jensaraai?
Do a video on Matukai only
I was always partial to the Wardens of the Sky myself.
So there we have it.
You didn't mention the "Jensaarai" it would have been great to see someone else mention them. Trust me you might enjoy reading about them. Their order is by far my favorite and is worth a look for any star wars fan in my opinion.
Jensaarai were mentioned in the Dark Side organizations, since they were corrupted before they turned more gray
Legends sure did like supernovas. Considering how rare they are.
ASSUMING for a moment that there really is such a thing as "the dark side of the Force" and "the light side of the Force" (a dubious notion), then what in hell could cause the Jedi to think (per 1:03) that "the Force's will" could be quarantined to just one side?
They need to make a video game where you play as the Chiss Ascendancy in the Unknown Regions
Were there any force organization that used both the light and dark in harmony