What is Season 6B (Doctor Who's Biggest Unsolved Mystery)
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2023
- For over 50 years fans have been struggling to answer the question: What is Season 6B?
The Second Doctor's Regeneration remains one of the biggest unsolved mysteries in the Doctor Who canon. The War Games, Five Doctors and Two Doctors all leave many unanswered questions that I will attempt in this video to put to bed.
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LMAO I can’t believe anyone actually stayed till the end
@@dwfan91- I'll give a thank you for the pixelated cookie, too! :)
I personally love Season 6B, as it suggest the 2nd Doctor got to spend more time with Jamie, who was one of the best companions and they were great together. There are Big Finish audio stories that support the Season 6B theory as well.
We see his regeneration in a Old comic
Time Lord Scarecrows Drag him into the tardis and you just see the light of his regeneration through the windows.
Kind of like how Rose got to her happily ever after with her personal version of the 10th doctor, and Donna got her happily ever after with the 14th doctor.
@@telph3223 So what you're saying is we need to cut off more pieces of the doctor and give every companion their own copy
I’ve always thought the two doctors is quite underrated
same love that episode
I'm a solid believer in Season 6-B. Not only because Patrick Troughton is my hands down favorite, though that helped.
Damn I take back what I said in the video on the fugitive doctor. She'd fit perfectly into the gap here. Maybe her lack of knowledge on the sonic screwdriver is due to it being something she forgot. Like if you didn't have it for a whole life maybe you wouldn't fully know what it is like how the regeneration isn't perfect & how the 6th doctor didn't know who peri was so maybe its a by product of her using the chameleon arc. That way we can explain the oddities. It also neatly fits her in & also explains well everything. Maybe after she went on the run she got caught & as punishment had her memories erased of that incarnation & was left with a sonic device & that's why the third doctor has such a hard time remembering who he is compared to his previous regeneration.
I always loved the idea of season 6B and appreciated how it so neatly fits into established "canon".
I don't care what anyone says, I'm headcanoning the Fugitive Doctor into season 6B anyway.
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Better than that Timeless Child bollocks.
Why headcanon the Fugitive Doctor or The Timeless Child?
Everything after The Day of the Doctor is not canon to me.
Actually, according to the latest 2nd Doctor release with big finish, your headcannon might be closer to the truth.
If i remember correctly the book war games is set during this period and i remember loving that book. Such a cool time period.
The book is actually War World by Terrance Dicks. Players, by the same author, also delves into this mythos.
Loving this video, and you make a good point about how the second doctor does work for / is now the time lord’s willing agent, and also just have to mention the majorly awesome background music choice. It adds so much.
Ok, this is what happened:
The 2nd Doctor was enlisted by the Time Lords and sent on secret missions at the end of The War Games.
The 5th Doctor meets 3 of his previous incarnations during the events of The Five Doctors BUT notices that his memories of the 2nd Doctor’s experience of this adventure do NOT catch up with him after it is over. He becomes suspicious.
As the 6th Doctor, he finally catches up with himself as the 2nd Doctor in The Two Doctors, and realises that the Time Lords have used him as their agent and erased his memories of all of it.
The 6th Doctor accuses The Time Lords of this and they put him on trial. (The Trial of a Time Lord).
After this, the Time Lords erase the 6th Doctor’s memories and force the 2nd Doctor to regenerate into the Ruth Doctor (and possibly others), so that if the current Doctor ever crosses paths with 6B Doctor again, they won’t recognise themselves.
As The Doctor’s power and experience grow, so does the Time Lords’ fear of being discovered.
They fabricate a story to throw the Doctor off the scent, one that will explain the existence of other incarnations while also making the Doctor doubt everything about who they are. They call this lie ‘The Timeless Child’.
This ploy seems to work; however, while The Doctor might now question their memories of events, the Tardis does not.
Eventually the Tardis’ memory banks inform the Doctor of the truth: they have been used as a pawn of the Time Lords for a very long time.
Now all that remains is for The Doctor to have their revenge.
You’re welcome.
I dig it. 👍👍
@@hotdog1214 Thanks for reading it. As far as I can tell, this is the best way to make sense of series 6B while honouring the narrative of the classic series and the revived series. Anyway it’s my head canon and I’m sticking to it.
@@Jazzdumpling You're right it makes sense while also remaining true to both Classic and NuWho (which in itself is sometimes messy and contradictory but in a fun way). I wish my head canoning was as imaginative and extensive as yours so until I'm told otherwise in the series, I shall be -stealing- _borrowing_ yours if you don't mind. 😁😁
My only hang up with this is that 13 directly makes note that the Ruth Doctor doesn't recognise the Sonic Screwdriver with the Ruth Doctor asking 13 what she's doing with "that thing" and when 13 points out that she doesn't know what it is the Ruth Doctor cheekily retorts with "Smart enough not to need" which that kind of snarky arrogance seems for more akin to the personality of 1 during his first season and not how the Doctor acts in The War Games
@@IcySlavKat I guess that depends on how you interpret Fugitive Doctor's reaction to the screwdriver. 13 asserts that she doesn't recognise it yes, but Fugitive Doctor says she's smart enough not to need one. One could ask, how would she know that she doesn't need one if she doesn't know what it is? OR, that perhaps she doesn't recognise it in that form. If for example Alexander Graham Bell was shown a smartphone would he recognise it as the evolution of his version of the telephone or would it be alien to him? Or its neither of these and Fugitive was just being derisory of 13s overreliance on it. She never actually admits or denies that she recognises it or not.
I think the dialogue is vague enough for some wiggle room, especially when it comes to head canon.
This would make for an awesome audio or alternate timeline series. Perhaps the repercussions of the hidden season appear in a future anniversary episode?
I mean, there's a bunch of stories that take place in and I think big finishes making an audio drama of it
Great video! I was meaning to listen to the Beyond War Games boxset. I'd love for more 60s era topics, love that time of the show.
I was watching something else but I saw this was new ... You're awesome and thank you for your videos ... Waiting for your retcon video
You've literally become my favorite CZcamsr
A gap big enough to insert another Doctor.
No
The DisContinuity Guide (1995-Virgin publishing- by Paul Cornell,Keith Topping and Martin Day) was the first attempt to reconcile the discrepancies and had a whole section on 6b. surprised you didn't mention it.
You're 100% right
@@dwfan91- only because it was the essential guide for my classic era overviews for Doctor Who From the Beginning!
More Second Doctor stories is always a good thing, I say.
You're so productive man, an inspiring work ethic fr! Great vid as well dude :D
thank you so much, i try🥲
really good video! I was just wondering, I know you mention the characters looking visibly older but, is there anything else from The Two Doctors that could maybe explain why and how they're there? Particularly Jamie, him being there despite being obviously older than he is in War Games seems like something the show would have to explain *somehow,* right? Or do they just completely ignore it and pretend it makes sense lmao
the premise of the episode itself is that the second doctor and jamie are on a mission for the time lords. They also make reference to the Five Doctors implying that this episode takes place after that and that episode takes place after the war games. Therefore both episodes must be post the end of season 6 and thus be in Season 6B
I am a big fan of the Season6B theory as is my giddy aunt..
Interesting vid, also THANKS FOR THE COOKIE ❤🍪
I absolutely still believe the Fugitive Doctor goes between 2 and 3, it just makes sense!
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I am nine hundred percent against that theory because Her character does not line up with the doctor's overarking character arc
She Just doesn't fit anywhere. She's Too much like the doctor to be the other and not enough. Like the doctor to be a season sixb
Well, RTD explained all of these inconsistencies with bigeneration
I have a theory that the after the war games the 2nd doctor Bi-generated, with the 3rd Doctor being exiled to earth and the remaining 2nd Doctor going on missions for the CIA. This would explain why he progressively older over time as we saw him in the three, five and two doctors plus this is where season 6B would fit in
I've given up trying to make any rational sense of the Doctor Who timeline, new & old, so I just have this personal mantra to cover all sins: "Everything is canon, nothing is canon."
It all happened it didn't
The doctor usually can remember all of it although occasionally he doesn't mainly 8
But it's no longer happened in the time line
Is heck technically Everything that happened in the russell t davis years no longer happened
But the doctor and the companions from that era still remember it
Its a nice theory but thats all it is
Its even explained on the two doctors dvd extras that Holmes got confused and thought the second doctor had worked for the time lords just like Pertwee had
It would make sense for The Fugitive Doctor to be fit in season 6b it would make more sense than the Timeless Child BS of making a million Doctors before William Hartnell's First Doctor "The Original you might say".
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This video did not explain to me exactly what happened. And, to say the regeneration of the second doctor into the third was not really shown, that's a surprise. I always thought I did see that regeneration at the end of Wargames part 10. Unless it was not a regeneration but something else. In the middle of that transformation the Doctor exclaimed "What? Is this a joke?" Like some surprise was sprung on him.
what more do you want explained :)
@@dwfan91- Okay, you did explain it, and explain how the Doctor Who books and comics can be canon.
@@rickriffel6246 there has never been any statement saying they aren't.
It was charnaturally he was murdered by scarecrows
There was an old comic
@@dwfan91-They explicitly are
Russell t davis has Retconned old wilderness years stuff to be part of the build up to the time war
And Stephen moffatt literally explicitly referenced big finished companions when riding night at the doctor
When Jamie was with the doctor, he was travelling on his own, so that means the second doctor didn’t get excited yet before the two doctors if you know what I’m saying think about it
Why don't they ask the actors about the series and remake it?
I don't personally consider anything outside the tv programme to be canon but that said I do love the Season 6B theory. I wish that the Fugitive Doctor had been part of that as you can kind of see where Chibnall has got his 'inspiration' 😉 for Division from. Anytime someone asks, "what's the Season 6B theory?" I will be sending this way, as its a great, short and sweet, visual sum-up.
Meanwhile I shall make myself a cuppa to enjoy with that cookie! 🍪 👍👍
I mean, it explicitly is, though. So you're just literally denying facts
Night of the doctor referenced big finish Which references the novels which reference the comics etc
Saying something isn't cannon is just boring
Everything is Cannon especially The bits that contradict the other bits
Because there have been multiple time wars in the lore
And the doctor occasionally gets just factory resetted especially the 8th doctor
Please assist memory in the Movie and in the novel eight Doctors that takes place directly afterwards, he loses And then again And later in that same Line of novels. He ends up stuck on earth for a century with no memory
Just kind of wandering around
@@plantainsame2049 I have no idea what you are talking about here. 🤷♀🤷♀
@@hotdog1214 The fact that you can't Say thou only the show is cannon when that is explicitly not True
Everything is can especially the bits that contradict Each other the show The doctor did human nature twice there have been multiple time wars
@@plantainsame2049 The expanded universe? Big Finish et al?
I think you'll find I _can_ say I don't treat it as canon, since that is my opinion and I'm free to express my opinion. If its your opinion that it counts as canon then that's good for you. People can have different views, and your view does not negate mine.
@@hotdog1214 I mean yes but you're wrong playing in simple
The creators of the show due Treat it as cannon
This is the equivalent of that sign can stop me I can't read
I don't hold 6b as canon, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy hearing people talk about it.
how do you explain the 2 and five doctors then😂
@@dwfan91- Two Doctors - The Early Adventures story The Black Hole
Five Doctors - either Two retained knowledge of Zoe and Jamie's fates from his mental contact with Three in Three Doctors, or Three was able ro mentally project that info to him in the moment to warn him about the illusions.
@@natsmith303 i respect it🫡
My head canon for any multi-doctor story is that the deceased Doctors live on in some sort of weird way in their own timeline. I never really realised for episodes like time of the Doctor we just see adventures we just never saw like with the zygons
I actually wanted to watch doctor who
But I'm struggling to find the new stuff and wanted to watch the old seasons
Watch the original series it's so good!
It defies all belief so much of the 1st and especially 2nd doctors' series were lost due to reusing tape for budget reasons(not to mention many episodes of Steptoe and son, one of the UKs most famous sitcoms)
Home video was not a thing So they had no use of the tapes unfortunately
@plantainsame2049 true but it still defies belief that wouldn't want to retain a usable copy of all shows, especially such popular ones as Who and Steptoe
Not a fan of the 6b idea but nice video
6:08 Hot drop!
I know of this story.
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6B doesn't work for me. Multi Doctor stories have always been a "yank out of time and forget" affair for Doctors and companions. As to Jamie and Zoe's projections remembering the War Games when they shouldn't, they're illusions designed to trick him. As to the comics and annuals, well how far do you take it?
My general thinking is that the extended stuff can be part of it for you if you want but it didn't definitely happen. The show did reference off-screen shenanigens from time to time and I think that leads to the assumption that the TARDIS mob sometimes stopped off between the televised stories. But I'm not going to presume an entire untold period of Troughton based solely on something written by Dicks decades later that wasn't presented onscreen. And "running missions for the Time Lords" is an obvious assumption for the Doctor to make whenever he's taken out of his timeline and particularly when he meets another version of himself. They're the only ones who could do it.
the question wasn't how the projections remembered it, but how the Second Doctor did. If he was taken out of time, he should've been taken from a point BEFORE his final story, not after. I feel to ignore all the very blatant hints both onscreen and off that there was at least SOME brief period of time between seasons 6 and 7 is maybe a step too far, even if you don't want to consider books as canon.
@@dwfan91- Or sloppy writing? Hardly a big sin really given the enormous span of the show.
@@Pooter-it4yg it would be a crazy coincidence for the same writer who wrote specific novels about how there is a gap between Season 6 and 7 to forget about writing said novels and then ACCIDENTALLY reference himself with no intent not once, or even twice but on THREE separate occasions throughout a single episode in an era of the show known for being particularly self-referential but I suppose it is possible
@@dwfan91- Not sure of the details but it's pretty clear that the Time Lords began the Doctor's sentence quite specifically in War Games. In his finally scene he was being physically transformed.
The only justification for a 6B is a line or two in later multi Doctor stories, which are of course very odd re continuity. I don't think that's enough to surmise an entire unseen period.
Even a Watchtower Bible Student would have difficulty making a coherent story out of Doctor Who.
You explained nothing.
My theory is that whenever a Doctor meets his future self, he creates an alternative timeline.
bro needs to pay more attention😂💀
Patrick Troughton should be played by John Hamm in an ugly wig.
what it is, is silly fan w*nk
No, it is canon.