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- Matt Taylor is a key member of a team that managed to land a space probe on a faraway comet moving more than 100,000 miles per hour. But for many gender activists, it was the allegedly sexist shirt he wore at a press conference that riveted their attention. Are the sciences steeped in sexism? The Factual Feminist dives into the data on women in science and science education.
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Years ago, I saw a feminist astronomer on CNN and she told the interviewer that phrase “Big Bang Theory” was sexist and off -putting to young women. Today, gender activists with a similar mindset are having a fit because a noted astronomer appeared at a press conference wearing a mildly risqué shirt. What is going on? That is coming up next on the Factual Feminist.
Matt Taylor, a brilliant astrophysicist, was a key member of a team that managed to land a space probe on a comet moving more than 100,000 miles per hour --300 million miles away.But for many gender activists, it was the shirt he wore at a press conference that riveted their attention. The shirt was an eccentric fashion choice-but his elaborate tattoos are unusual as well. But professors and scientists are not known for their conventional sartorial choices.Here are two philosophy professors and a professor of math. I think Dr Taylor looks like a cool guy. But gender activists were appalled-not because he was dressed informally-but because his shirt featured images of “sexualized” women. Guardian writer Alice Bell, marveled that scientists can land their robot on a comet, but can’t see the misogyny right under their nose. Rose Eveleth, technology editor of the Atlantic sent out several indignant tweets about the shirt, including this one. “Thanks for ruining the cool comet landing Asshole.” The Verge carried article that blamed the shirt for “demeaning” half the world’s population. This is madness. It is not Dr. Taylor who has created a hostile environment. It’s the gender activists. Rose Eveleth’s tweets ignited a storm of social media abuse on the hapless Dr. Taylor. Mortified by the attacks, he gave a tearful apology-and renounced his shirt-a gift from a female friend. It is hard to disagree with a defender of Dr. Taylor who described his detractors as “joyless scolds,” who are far more judgmental and censorious than social conservatives like Rick Santorum. One of my Twitter followers @eggkin sent me a poster of the proper attire for scientists in Taylor’s organization-the European Space Agency (ESA)
Phil Plait, the popular science writer and author of Slate’s“Bad Astronomy” blog, has defended Taylor's feminist critics. Lets consider what he says.
The shirt by itself, Plait explains, may not seem like a big deal. It has to be seen in the overall context of a scientific community which he says is “steeped” in sexism. Yes there is anger and bitterness-because women are routinely and systematically shortchanged, discriminated against and held back in science. By wearing a female objectifying shirt, Taylor was exacerbating an already fraught situation. Women are fed up with male insensitivity, boorishness and the slow pace of change. It’s too bad that a seemingly nice (but clueless) guy was made to feel bad on a day of his greatest triumph. But think of all the women who were never even given a chance to reckon with comets.
Plait links to various articles that seem to support the idea that scientific culture “steeped in sexism.” There is a flourishing cottage industry of feminist advocacy research and twisted victim statistics and Phil Plait is credulously citing it. And he ignores serious and credible research that shows little or no bias.
In 2009 the National Academy of Sciences published a major study that flatly contradicts Plait’s claim of science “steeped in sexism”According to the study, “..At many critical transition points in their academic careers (e.g., hiring for tenure-track and tenure positions and promotions) women appear to have fared as well as or better than men…”
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The wise man points at the stars and the idiot looks at the finger.
The wise man lands on the stars and the idiots look at his shirt
(Yes, I realise a comet isn't a star. Please allow me some poetic licence)
Women only get wise after hitting the wall. Some* This woman is FUCKING WISE !!!!!!!!!! If those radical feminist bitches can't read, at least watch the factual feminist!!!!!!
Helis While the old man yells at the cloud.
JMcAfreak U mad bro?
The shirt was designed by a woman and was a personal gift.
I wonder if she got it back
Yep..👍
It is a fucking shirt. Honestly people will freaking complain about anything.
To quote Stephen Fry:
“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."
This woman is awesome.
*applaud*
Wait till you get to 2022. We are truly blessed for all this virtue. Where would we possibly be now without.
As a woman in engineering, the idea that this shirt is harmful to my delicate feeling is preposterous. I despise these type of attacks because they not only suggest that I am a weak willed individual but they also scare my fellow male co-works into thinking that any interact/jokes might result in a lawsuit or condemnation against them. I think we should be able to open talk about ideas and jokes. And if someone says something that makes us feel uncomfortable, we should tell them and discuss it in a mature manner, not automatically get on our high horse and condemn them for living.
Sadly even a woman astrophysicist said the shirt made her feel unsafe. She felt threatened while she was miles away in the comfort of her own home and felt unsafe enough that she had to tweet about it. Another woman journalist said the shirt demonstrates scientist can't recognize misogyny. What?! It was more like dr, Taylor was the one attacked by females. Meanwhile ?Susan Sarandon's cleavage full outfit was deemed inappropriate by a man at an award show, and there was an instant uproar. She hasn't even landed any thing on a comet. I just do not understand the unfairness of it all.
I agree with all these points. I can't understand why people like these say these things. Of course this happened a while ago but I still want to get a shirt the says something like "I
Feminists have now succeeded in creating a hostile environment. Male managers are now majority saying they refuse to mentor female staff in 1 on 1 situations because of the risk of false allegations is now too high.
Women now know they can get away with murder. I saw a video where a woman was berating a LBGTQ+ supporter and shrieked in his face then gave a smug look, knowing people who came running because a woman screamed would assume he is the aggressor. Loads of examples now of women crying wolf and getting away with it.
Which means that sooner or later, women will not be believed when they have a serious accusation. Well done feminists, you've made it harder than ever for women to report crimes against them.
@Naomi thank you for having a sense of...well, sense!
The men I work with literally apologize for accidentally saying "guys" when I'm in the call. If anything, I'd rather be included in your "guys" than excluded from it. But they're just so scared to get in trouble, it really makes me sad. I don't want them to resent me because my presence means they have to tiptoe around conversations, or because they feel I was given my job as a "diversity hire". It will only make things worse. Not to mention that's an AMAZING shirt, I love scifi pinups!
''Marvel that scientists can land a robot on a comet, but can't smell misogyny under their own nose''- Appauling, does she even know what misogyny means? It means you loathe women, the whole gender.
I'd argue that his shirt shows that he LOVES women, how the hell do you get the impression that he hates women? I don't see it. Unless of course, you just don't know what misogyny actually means.
Mysogyny has lost its true meaning thanks to these people, just like harrassment, rape and feminism.
Musou Tensei It's become a buzzword to use against anyone who disagrees with you. You think women are paid the same as men already? Misogynist. You think women should have to sign up for the selective service (just as men are)? Misogynist. You think women should get the same treatment as women when they commit crimes? Damn right, you're a misogynist.
Yeah, it horrendous, imagine if men started twisting the meaning of ''Misandry'' in such a way.
And any men who disagree with our distorted version of misandry, we shall tell them that they have ''internalized misandry''. loool!!!
I think that Scientists can lad satellites on comets BECAUSE they don't use their time to see sexism in absolutely everything
SwinnyUK (spanish accent) you keep a using that word , i do not think it means what you think it means
The voice of the nobody outweighs the achievement of others now? How the hell did it come to this?
_"I find myself increasingly shocked at the unthinking and automatic rubbishing of men which is now so part of our culture that it is hardly even noticed," the 81-year-old Persian-born writer said yesterday._
_"Great things have been achieved through feminism. We now have pretty much equality at least on the pay and opportunities front, though almost nothing has been done on child care, the real liberation._
_"We have many wonderful, clever, powerful women everywhere, but what is happening to men? Why did this have to be at the cost of men?_
_"I was in a class of nine- and 10-year-olds, girls and boys, and this young woman was telling these kids that the reason for wars was the innately violent nature of men._
_"You could see the little girls, fat with complacency and conceit while the little boys sat there crumpled, apologising for their existence, thinking this was going to be the pattern of their lives."_
_Lessing said the teacher tried to "catch my eye, thinking I would approve of this rubbish"._
_She added: "This kind of thing is happening in schools all over the place and no one says a thing._
_"It has become a kind of religion that you can't criticise because then you become a traitor to the great cause, which I am not._
_"It is time we began to ask who are these women who continually rubbish men. The most stupid, ill-educated and nasty woman can rubbish the nicest, kindest and most intelligent man and no one protests._
_"Men seem to be so cowed that they can't fight back, and it is time they did."_
*Doris Lessing*
Sane Liesbuster American Enterprise Institute So far men are trying to fight back against feminism with logic and evidence. Sadly, in the feminist world, such things carry little to no weight. In my opinion, this trend of logic vs emotions will continue for a decade, two at most. And finally, when feminists cross the line that even the majority of men can't stand being crossed. Then sadly, men will become far more vocal, perhaps even openly violent to these feminists.
And it's at that point, that one of two things will happen:
1.) The western population will finally see what these feminists have done. Which is to say, drive men to the very brink of their sanity. And thus, feminism will begin to die out.
2.) The western population ( via increased feminist propaganda ), will take this as a clear sign of feminists being in the right. And will agree to even the most extreme feminist agenda to '' fix the problem ''.
I hope that it will be number 1. But as things stand, and as they develop. It looks like it will be number 2. And that frightens me.
Atreadis
Let's hope it doesn't get to either of those two alternatives. Where I live, Norway, feminism has had a strong influence for several decades, and Norway being a social democratic with a high level of welfare, feminist ideas have been relatively easy to implement. We've had our share of irrational radfems and highly sexist laws and regulations in favor of women being passed, but for the last decade or so this has been slowly evolving into a more egalitarian than feminist way of thinking.
As an example, in about a month, everyone will be eligible for military service (we have conscription, not a voluntary/professional army - we're simply too few people), and the military will pick the most suitable for the positions they need to fill. That'll probably be something like 80/20 or 70/30 men/women, which might not be "fair" but actually reflects reality when gender is less of an issue than what an individual is capable of.
Maybe it's because feminists here haven't been able to co-opt other social issue movements like LGBT rights etc, compared to other, less socialist and/or religious countries - in the US for instance, there seems to be very strong ties between feminists and LGBT advocates as they've traditionally supported each others (even though some feminists are right up there with WBC/Phelps when it comes to GBT bashing). Maybe it's because it's less polarized here than - once again - it is in the US, with their two major parties (one in favor, one against). Quite probably it's because of our oil - we can afford testing feminist ideas and see how they turn out (not the best track record, but some nice exceptions), and then make better informed decisions.
Regardless, I believe that turning feminism towards egalitarianism is probably our best option. Most supporters of feminism are equally happy to support egalitarianism, but are more prone to fall for the rhetorics of the former. And who wouldn't want to help women (and children)? Men have been doing that "since forever", the problem is that feminists want to dictate how they should be helped, so that they aren't reminded that they are being helped - that's "empowering" to them, not being able to fend for yourself. It is interesting to note that women in the US - which is arguably less egalitarian than Norway - have it easier than Norwegian women in many ways. Even more interesting is that men in Norway have it easier than men in the US - in the western world, more equality doesn't make life that much easier for women, but it certainly does for men. (I guess that makes egalitarianism part of the Patriarchy - men oppressing women through insisting on equality.. =P)
Sorry about the rant; what I meant to say was that there are more paths to a society without harmful feminism, one being embracing the good parts of feminism and replacing women with humans.
How did it come to this?
Feminism.
This happens when people who have stupid ideas aren't told they're ideas are stupid.
I honestly think we are dealing with a bunch over privileged spoiled brats, who fly off the handle at any perceived slight against them.
Where as an adult would shrug off such things, these emotional children have a hissy fit, and demand that the problem is fixed.
Unfortunately unlike misbehaving children, who can be ignored, if you try that with these parasites, they enlist their media buddies to start a smear campaign.
Shirtgate is straight from the SJWs handbook.
As a woman, I can say that that is one cool shirt. I wish I had a shirt like that. I love the colors, and the art.
i would rather have it on a notebook or a computer bag
And they aren't even that sexualised at all. They've got bare backed tops, ooooh so sexual! Next feminists will be saying that exposing your ankles is sexual. Feminists are practically hardcore Muslims in this sense.
If this woman is a feminist.... I am a feminist.
+Edgard do Amaral Pinheiro She's an older feminist...not one of the "Third Wave" kind that we have today.
Kami Nana that's true, but not the whole picture. Radfems have been around forever.
Heather Yeager Radfems have taken over the "Third Wave" of feminism, then...they pretty nuch embody what it is today.
I guess I am too
I think the world has bigger problems than one scientist's shirt.
This man (and the men and women of his team) accomplished something that will live on in the legacy of scientific discovery for as long as our species exists. His critics accomplished a Twitter hate campaign. It's easy to see who really won here at the end of the day.
Once upon a time, there was a boy who watched over the town's sheep at night. He was bored by his work, and lonely from the night shift, but he knew that if he cried "wolf!" all the townspeople would come to investigate. One night, he cried "wolf!" when there was none, and the townspeople came to find no wolf. The boy laughed at the townspeople, reveling in the power he had over the gullible townspeople.
The next night, he cried "wolf!" again, but only half the townspeople came to investigate. Once again the boy laughed, but a woman among the townspeople became frustrated.
"If you call wolf again, boy," the woman said, "Nobody will come to the rescue. Pray no wolf comes for real."
On the third night, a wolf came into the boy's view, but he didn't know how to deal with the wolf.
"Wolf!" he cried. "I'm telling the truth this time!" But no matter how loud he yelled, or how much noise he made, the townspeople did not come. The wolf ate all of the town's sheep that night, and the boy was stripped of his responsibilities and replaced.
Replace "boy" with "radical feminist" and "wolf" with "mysogyny" and that's my perspective on this. Similar to many other's perspectives, I guess.
***** same here
How dare women judge him for his appearance. Hypocrites.
thanks for the video Sommers, its nothing but the truth
what angered me the most about the verge article, was its implication that this sort of thing keeps women away from scientific fields
EXCUSE ME!?
i have a very close friend, god bless her, a fellow software engineering student who LOST HER MOTHER a year ago, and you know what? she is still studying, she is a very strong woman, are you going to imply someone like her would be deterred by a freakin' T-shirt? NO, SCREW YOU!, women are not babies that will give up on their careers at the first opportunity
Things like #shirtgate are very good reasons to just ignore the hateful feminazis. Seriously, nobody but they themselves in their own little bubble care about their non-issues. Had he not apologized, I doubt it would've had any consequences.
We should live by merit more. This guy has shown his worth 10 times over. These feminazis don't achieve nothing but hate, spite, discrimination and anguish.
Third wave feminists despise merit. It makes them crazy to see people succeed because of their hard work, good ideas and people skills. they almost all survive by begging on Patreon.
One should NEVER ignore fascism , it should be brought to light and stopped, they should be the ones being publicly shamed. The very reason why they now have so much of the media behind them is due to the fact they were ignored for decades and now their fundamentalism has grown into its own culture.
Richard Depaola jr No I meant like, if they're starting smear campaigns and these shaming/bullying tactics, that's what we should ignore. We should of course address the fascism aspect in all seriousness, but when things like #shirtgate happen we should just collectively shake our heads and ignore the "outrage".
FreeHomeBrew I think my point was that if we ignore it, the media will have free reign in spreading the message because they are a part of the movement now which is why it blows up the way it has been the last few years. The way the media became a part of it is that we were ignoring their tactics, didn't learn who they were and many of them got jobs in the media. They are spreading and will continue until people start standing up, speaking out and stopping this nonsense.
Richard Depaola jr True. Collectively we should make a stand. Individually we can do with not giving a fuck about other individuals and their made up issues.
Dear, Christina Hoff Sommers AKA Based Mom
If you excuse me, I'm a little drunk right now but hopefully I can convey my expressions in a understandable manner.
Every time I watch your videos it makes me smile how level headed you are in debunking the radical side of your ideology and not only blow them out of the water, but provide studies, polls, and actual research to back up your rebuttals. I am truly fascinated by your ability not only to amaze me, but make me laugh with you and smile as you provide a passive chuckle at the idiocy of the radical feminist side. I know you may never see this, nor respond, but I wish for you to know that I admire you for your intelligence. Please keep up the good work. You have a follower in me and many others.
I am a highschooler who is interested in going into nuclear engineering. I am also a female. I absolutely hate it when feminist say that women are being oppressed against because there aren't many women in engineering and sciences, it has nothing to do with oppression, it has to do with what they like and are interested in. I can only speak for myself, but I have always been encouraged whatever I said I want to be nuclear engineer. I hate it even more when feminists say that women don't want to go into these fields because they're sex objects. Occasionally on the weekends I like to wear a miniskirt or a dress or heels or something similar want to go out with my friends, why is it that women can't be sexy and smart? I'm not a sex object because occasionally I like to dress sexy. And it's unfair to say women are treated as sex objects and not acknowledge that men are also sex objects. We see attractive men in advertisements all the time, there's peoples magazine sexiest man of the year, and there's so many things that the sexiest bachelor.
Cheerongirlcp You sound like you're using logic. Logic won't work with most feminists. Western logic was developed by Aristotle who was a MAN, therefore PATRIARCHY!! :-)
Seriously though, loved your comment and I wish you the best of luck for your future :-) Don't let feminists put you off doing what you love!
Just curious, I am reading your comment 8 years after you originally made it. Did you pursue your interest and go into nuclear engineering? I hope so, would be an amazing career.
@@RedFeather36 Hello, I did not go into Nuclear Engineering.
As I started college and did a few internships I realized Nuclear didn’t peak my internet as much as semiconductors. Studied Chemical Engineering instead and 8 years later I’m 4 years into my career as a SemiConductor Engineering. Crazy how time goes by!
The only thing I would disagree with is the IT/Engineer male/female ratio. When I was at school, most of nursing was women, most of engineering was men. My wife went into business. When she regretted going into engineer, I asked her why. She said she needed a degree she was guaranteed she could finish. Engineering required a commitment she didn't feel she could make. Nothing about that was gender driven. You're not going to encourage women to go into engineering, unless there is a desire to do so. Artificially bloating the industry with women will just end up with self-defeating women who curse themselves for choosing something they don't want to do. Science and lab work is different from wiring up servers or building engines. Maybe there's something in that, that just pushes women away. I'm not going to speculate, because any speculation will just get me labeled sexist. All I need to do is point at the applicants in college as to why there's less women in the industry. Boost the applicants and it will change, just not at the cost of asking someone to do something they don't want to do.
Lee Louviere In my engineering classes, there are also guys from India and China who really don't want to do engineering but were pressured into it by their families. I'm kind of the same too--I don't really want to do it, but in some ways, I feel like I should.
The issue isn't that not enough women are joining STEM fields. In my opinion, the "issue" is that not enough women care about joining STEM fields. But is it really an issue if women are happy with where they end up? Just like the guys in my classes who don't really want to do engineering, there are women who don't want to do it either. Forcing women into it "solves" one problem (low female-to-male ratio in STEM) all the while reinforcing a bigger problem (making people believe that they have to break/follow some social standard to be happy).
Looking at what I typed up again, it might give the impression that I disagree with you, but I agree completely.
electroguy02
That's just it.
They are forming a new social standard and expecting everyone to follow it.
Even though on the surface it looks like they are encouraging diversity, they are actually telling women to stop being nurses or house-wives, essentially asking them to prove their allegiance to the cause. If you don't join in, you are assumed to be forced (ironic) or a ignorant slave to the system.
There is no problem to solve as long as people CAN do what they want. As soon as you start fixing the diversity in a field, you are forcing people not to do what they want, by setting a new social standard and forcing people to conform to it.
The ultimate bigotry.
I recall another video pointing out that when cross sections of western society were asked about their hobbies, surprise surprise the results matched the stereotypes. For example, men were far more likely to reply that they enjoyed tinkering with machines than women were.
If women aren't going into engineering, it's because women don't want to be engineers. There is no deeper 'ingrained sexism is keeping women away'. That's nonsense and a statistical insignificance.
As usual, I find myself in complete agreement with the good lady.
I'd really like to know: How in blazes is "Big Bang Theory" a sexist term? There is nothing even in the *words* which denote gender, let alone the meaning of the name.
The only way I can think of to take offence at that is "all women hate sex, so a 'big bang' is obviously a male fantasy" or some such rubbish, and a justification like that is far more sexist than even the creepiest creep in the Manhattan Walk video.
Bang = sex = RAPE RAPE RAPE
Inconnu Which implies "no woman would ever consent to sex", because as I said "ALL women hate sex". Which is ludicrous on the face of it, even if you fail to notice that therm has nothing whatever to do with sex in the first place!
CyberiusT Stop trying to face crazy feminists with logic, they don't work on logic.
big bang . penis shooting you know what! lol these women and men are crazy to think up shit like that!
You guys have it all wrong. It's the word "theory" that offends them because it implies thinking. They assume that all women share there problems with internally consistent thought. Or more likely they just picked some random phrase to disagree with so they can feed there audiences victim complex and con them out of more money.
Our of all the absurdities in the last 18 months. This one pissed me off the most.
You don't apologize to these types of people. Don't even acknowledge them. That was the only mistake Taylor made, he apologized. There is nothing to be sorry about in this instance.
what i find stupid is they say women are just as strong as men yes that true so stop saying women are weak by saying they would feel pushed away by a shirt the women that i know don't give two shits about the shirt because they are strong women they just make women sound weak by saying they feel pushed away and attacked by such pathetic things
im not fond if people misusing the word strong nowadays, i see people who have endured hardships like going to war for three tours or raising twelve children alone while poor as strong, but these feminists now misuse the word strong nowadays, being a bully isnt being strong.
Well if he didn't want the attention then he shouldn't have dressed like that...oh wait ಠ_ಠ
oh no man, he asked for it. by wearing that shirt, he deserves to be objectified as a misogynist. don't you know how double standards work?
shouldnt he be free to dress himself as he wants?
Based Mom hits the nail on the head once again. I 100% agree with this video. Matt Taylor managed to do something significant that has never been done before, yet the marxist feminists are more concerned about what he wore. Mrs. Sommers and other feminists like her are the reason why I'm not against feminism. Thank you for your contributions!
As usual, this is so good and so well reasoned and documented that I can safely like the video BEFORE i even watch it!
Christina thank you for hitting on something that really hit home for me. I've been a long time fan of Phil Plait, I've loved his documentaries and damn near every piece he's ever written on science and scepticism have been favourites of mine. When I read his article regarding this it utterly broke my heart.
I saw the person who for a time actually ran the James Randy Education Foundation, a charity dedicated to fostering healthy scepticism was now not practising what he preached in a big way. He joined in with the mob of chanting lunatics to throw one of his peers under the bus without a second's thought and I think the most damning thing he said in that article was to quote from another feminist piece the statement of “Comments on any article about feminism justify feminism.”.
And people wonder why there's a growing backlash against these things when all commentary is now lumped together as a "Frothing torrent of misogyny" in articles like this. Both sides have their crazies and I will never deny that, but nothing is ever going to get accomplished when the default action of at least one side is to immediately censor and shout down the other. Not to mention when people like Phil Plait will decry bullying tactics and bad logic until apparently it lines up with their personal beliefs.
I suppose I had him on a bit of a pedestal, but truth be told I hadn't considered this would be the thing to lower him in my eyes. I was more thinking there'd be an embarrassing birthmark or humiliating story from his school days. :/
DarkAngelGuyver I hear you. Both Phil Plait and PZMyers really revealed a darker side of the atheist movement that I didn't see coming. I'm glad PZMyers voluntary left the scene after that Michael Shermer incident he started.
I remember the stuff with PZ Myers was pretty nasty. I haven't seen Phil do or say anything particularly egregious til this recent event so I don't want to condemn the guy. As i said I'm more heartbroken than angry. Sadly that also means likely whatever people like me will say will be drowned out by the tirade of raving lunatics from both sides. :/
DarkAngelGuyver same here, have lost respect for a lot of people from the atheist/ "free thinkers" movement over this, goes to show how infectious ideology and mob mentality can be without diligent and proper reasoning
Phil Plait has just been added to my list of once respected members of the scientific community who is now considered weak minded and completely batshit insane.
I knew that he was leaning to the SJW side of things, but that didn't detract from everything else he did, much.
You really have to buy into "The Patriarchy" to get to this level of blindness, I'm constantly amazed by the number of Woo busters who refuse to see when gender politics is overreaching, it's like they put it into the too hard basket and capitulate, but continue to tell themselves they represent truth.
It's something we see a lot of in the Skeptic community, if they don't talk about it, don't think about it, they can just accept it and be considered one of the good guys and keep themselves away from controversy.
Her laugh makes me smile, her presentation and openness to all sides of an issue make me happy
It's great to have you Back, Professor! I hope you are doing well and we all missed you!
"I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, that shirt is sexist and ostracizing" ...Is that supposed to be an insult to him or you?
Those ppl who penalized matt's shirt is disgusting and a disgraces to humanity.
They should shirt should commit sudoku(Seppuku) to restore honor to humanity.
Matt should never apologize to this witches and treat them as rat making unnecessary noises.
***** Yes but from internet meme Sudoku = Seppuku
knowyourmeme.com/memes/commit-sudoku
knowyourmeme.com/photos/711753-commit-sudoku
***** Someone who can't understand logic, cannot complete a logic based puzzle without help. By help, I mean someone who does understand logic doing it for them.
I have *NEVER* respected a Feminist, but I respect you.
Feminists around the USA collectively ignored a great scientific achievement...to focus on fashion.
Now who's REALLY pushing back women's rights here?
Another amazing video, Sommers. I never get tired of your voice of reason. I'm amazed you've been able to keep such a calm demeanor all these years.
Mam, your are a kind of its own, you really get things straight and correct without ever being sexist to any gender! I really appreciate that honesty. Because both genders make mistakes.
I think that in few occasions the old chinese saying "when the wise man points at the moon, the fool looks at the finger" is more appropriate than here.
Wise words indeed.
Thank you so much for this video. I am a woman pursuing a major in statistics (btw, I love that fact that you understand statistics and how to recognize a good study). I'm quite pleased to be a women going into a STEM field. And I'm bewildered when people talk about the barriers to women in these fields and hostile environments. What? Am I just sheltered, cause I have yet to experience any of this. Dr. Sommers, you have the statistics covered for now, so here's my personal (and therefore far less convincing) personal experience and take on it:
The Verge's article says "This is the sort of casual misogyny that stops women from entering certain scientific fields. They see a guy like that on TV and they don't feel welcome." Really, it didn't bother me at all. It struck me as silly and harmless.
"...Those are the few who persevered even when they were discouraged from pursuing degrees in physics, chemistry, and math throughout high school." Strange, that never happened to me. People would express astonishment that I would be interested in those subjects, but that was because THEY didn't like those subjects, not because they thought a girl shouldn't.
"These are the women who forged on despite the fact that they were told by elementary school classmates and the media at large that girls who like science are nerdy and unattractive." This is entirely true and a problem if you change one word. "Girls" should be "people." Oh, yeah, I grew up seeing depictions of ugly, glasses-wearing nerds who -- *gasp* -- like math and science. Guess what? The boys were portrayed as being just as unattractive and socially awkward as the girls. These days they're less attractive.
From what I've seen, there are no barriers to women in STEM fields. There IS lots of encouragement. There is no "girls shouldn't do that." There IS lots of "more girls should do that!" At no point in my life have I felt like someone was trying to discourage my interest in these subjects, and most especially due to my gender. At no point in my life have I felt like I was inferior to the boys around me, or even expected to be. It's true that there are very few women in the classes I'm taking, but that is due to their own personal choice. My teachers are delighted that there are a few women in their classes. They are welcoming, not hostile. I am not disadvantaged by the situation; if anything I have an advantage because I stand out.
And now, I see on the side bar you have a video titled "The real reason there aren't more female scientists." Guess what I'm going to watch next. :D
Thank you for being the level headed voice of reason in a sea of nitpicking and cynicism. It is truly a treat to hear your thoughts. Keep up the good work.
Some feminists makes me doubt reality it self, now I know I exist because I think therefor I am, but I'm sure some of these feminists aren't!
I don't know what the hell is going on, but that comment by Rose Eveleth about how a shirt could ruin the comet landing for her seems to reveal just how angry some feminists are at men and their sexuality and expressions of it. She wasn't the one who spent years working on landing the craft on a comet, Taylor was. Did she not notice that they had ruined it for him because of a shirt?
They didn't seem to care. Certainly no apology from them.
I think I am really beginning to despise these victimhood feminists.
Most likely they were motivated by empty jealousy.
Covered all the important thoughts I had. Only that I have trouble with putting those thoughts in words. Great video
When I first heard about feminists reactions I laughed, really hard, then I cried, because I realised they were being serious.
"When a wise man points to the moon, the imbecile examines the finger." - Confucius, mansplaining. ;)
"This is madness".
Folks, we just found a new clip to use in our own videos when addressing stupid people.
I would have fought back and took pictures of myself with the shirt on and posted it on Instagram, facebook, and twitter. Fight back or suffer authoritarianism.
Thank goodness the term 'Feminist' can still be applied to intelligent and rational women who actually seek the furtherment of equality rather than simply crying victim.
Can anyone elaborate why the phrase big bang theory is degrading?
i guess because "bang" is used as sexual innuendo.
probably the word "bang". i mean, it HAS to relate to sex and not, you know, an EXPLOSION. yeah, these people are fucking nuts. i hope this event opens some eyes. I mean, look at gamergate. it has always been about ethics in journalism, but these very same people found a way to spin it around to sexism. it's absolute insanity and is a toxic plague on all of society.
Because some people have their mind immediately thrown in the gutter when the hear the word "bang." And apparently it's sexist for some reason to even say the word.
we should also stop using snow plows during the winter, because the word "plow" is degrading and sexist.
Personally, I think its a pretty shitty sitcom
Bazinga.
Maximum Kek? Chris Plante is implicated in the GameJournoPros scandal. Shirtgate is also Gamergate
The worst part is that they didn't even seem remorseful and accept his apologie. They said stuff like "he still doesn't understand what he has done" or he should be punished iirc.
The lengths that people go to to feel offended never ceases to amaze me
That's a cool shirt. I want one.
#Shirtgate is why we need #OutlawFeminism
Feminism is not about choice, it's about man hating and female supremacy! You want the right to choose support egalitarianism!
Based Mom being on the internet is a true oasis in this desert of madness. It's so nice to hear a legitimately moderate, intelligent position rather than just an ideological one.
Thank you for your level headed thought. I am a feminist from the seventies when i and other women like me were breaking into fields that had been mostly male. My degree is in math. We had to work hard to change attitudes and break glass ceilings. I am not sure these young women understand the journey that brought them the opportunities they have today. They seem petty. The shirt does not offend me as I see it as art. I am not going to judge someone by their shirt. People are so quick to condemn others before they even now the back story or the real person. I agree that the women who are over reacting could be a force for good for women instead of giving a bad name to feminism. I imagine they are hurt as that is where most vitriol comes from. We project our unresolved hurts unto the world.
Tell me feminists. What is more offensive? A T shirt made by a female friend being worn by a brilliant astrophysist, or "this is what a feminist looks like T shirts" being worn by feminists everywhere made by oppressed third world women working barely more than slave labour. Its interesting that there was no shirtstorm over that, which leads me to conclude your politics and slactivism is more important than actual female suffering.
Is there any link to the sexist Big Bang Theory claim?
It's a reference to the TV show. Google "Big Bang theory is sexist".
I think u are one of the few out there that makes actual sense of things. Tks and keep up with the good work! =)
Dr Taylor should never have apologized for his shirt. When you give in to extremists, it only validates their mindset and invites them to escalate their tactics. The more you give them, the more they take.
Feminism, why you gotta turn cool guys into fucking tools?
Adam Sessler, Brian Altano, Tim Schafer, Joss Whedon and now Phil Plait.
Fuck.
The shirt would not have survived a day in corporate America or government work. At a laid-back ad agency, a joke might be made, but he'd be quietly asked not to wear it again. Welcome to the real world. This is considered part of respecting women, to leave the sex out of work environments and focus on contributions. Perhaps he should have chosen super-heroines over women in PVC. It's not considered appropriate, period. He probably got a free pass in the UK, because they may be more tolerant of these things, especially if someone's a star, but I can't be sure. I Googled for their workplace laws, and they are almost the same as the US in theory.
Are Christina's figures and ideas shown reflective of the UK? Those looked like US figures, and he's not from the US. I think a majority of actual discrimination happens from elementary school through very early career for women. By the time they become old enough to get "real jobs" in these fields, they tend to be over 40 and sex is not as big a factor in their earning. Not impossible to see a problem, but less likely.
I agree with 99% of people, however, that a big deal should not have been made. It's just not worthy. Just ask him to change, and that's it. Choose a more workplace/child-friendly shirt for international, all-age, public announcements. End of story. It's a symptom of a male-dominated environment that no one caught it, but I don't think it's proof of any aggression at all, by itself.
For young women in male-dominated work environments though, it can be smoke where there might be fire, at the workplace when a man does something like this, as if he does one inappropriate thing, it might go farther than that, but it can just as easily be simply a man who has worn his bar shirt to work. It's a nice shirt for a bar. He also made sexualized comments about the lander itself, calling it "sexy but not easy." I found it fun, in its own way, but not appropriate for this particular day and time.
The American corporate environment is an increasingly toxic space where individual expression is stamped out if somebody uses the offence card. You must realize that this is not driven by a desire to "respect women", but instead by a desire to AVOID LITIGATION. In any case, this wasn't an American corporate environment, this was in Europe and it was a not-for-profit scientific endeavour, but the ethnocentrism of American leftists meant that this manufactroversy arose on the United States coasts, thousands of miles away in a foreign country and by people who have far left socio-political views. In reality, they'd have been better off and more respectful by minding their own damn business, or at least focusing on real scandals and real tyranny and oppression of women... ironically some of which can be found within certain communities within Europe too... and again ironically... is defended by leftists as "culture" or "religion".
The reason Cristina focused on the U.S. is the majority of bile thrown at this man (innocent of no crime or infraction of any kind) came from the United States and from people who act as activists within the United States. As for whether he should have chosen different attire, that's really none of your business.. it is up to the European Space Agency who are his employers and who also had no problem with his very tattooed body. None of his female co-workers who contributed to this scientific achievement voiced concerns about his shirt to him, and if they did it is clear by his kind and gentle nature he would have taken them seriously.
The fact that you find the word sexy a "sexualized" comment tells me a lot too, particularly when he was referring to a space craft and a lander. You don't even realize that what you want to do is police speech, and just the speech of men, under the assumption that women are so weak and simple minded that a word like "sexy" would offend them when attributed to a mechanical object. Take, for example, TESLA Motors, one of the most talked about companies in the automotive world right now. Elon Musk openly calls the Model S "sexy", and he is right, it is a sexy car. It doesn't mean he wants to have intercourse with it, or he's comparing it to a female (although you can actually NAME your model S now and it will respond to its name.. I guess it will be sexist to call it a girl's name too??) he is just referring to its aesthetic beauty. In fact, Tesla trademarked the Model S, Model E, Model X and Model Y.... simply because it meant they trademarked Model S.E.X.Y. "Quickly, someone get outraged on your blog, this white south african man is offending ALL women by liking his cars."
As for the shirt itself, I'm surprised that people found it offensive. You would see more skin at a beach, a nightclub or even just walking the street in the summer and in those cases, it is applauded as empowerment. It is a beautiful shirt in my opinion, made by a very talented woman who gave it to him as a gift, and he wore it as a tribute to her. She was flattered when she saw her shirt on TV and that was his intention.. not to offend women but to make a female friend feel good about her skill, but that part of the context is lost in the outrage because it is unhelpful to the narrative that was thrown around.. the narrative that judged him as a disgusting pig, a typical white nerd who is socially inept and knows nothing about women. There was only one victim in this whole manufactured controversy, and it was Matt Taylor.
Now if the ESA had told him to wear and suit and tie to work I've no doubt he would have, but as it happens, a lot of people can be seen in the videos during those few days wearing comfortable clothes.. and why not, they were barely sleeping, didn't have much time to step away to shower or relax and so on. I'm pretty sure the lander wouldn't have had any more success if they were mandated to wear a dull uniform and pretend to be a group of elitists.... remember, some of the greatest economic and human disasters in history were caused by people in suits worth thousands of dollars. Meanwhile, some of the greatest progress of mankind came from the quirkiest and strangest people. Richard Feynman for example, sketched nude women as a hobby. He used to frequent strip clubs and even spoke against Los Angeles' plan to outlaw strip clubs... in fact he used to be "working" in strip clubs, jotting down his physics ideas on napkins. Imagine how he'd be judged today by somebody like you, and yet look at all he accomplished in life.
One last thing because I know I've gone on way too long already. This is just an observation of mine. Had a woman worn a shirt like that, nobody would care, in fact they'd probably applaud her for empowering women everywhere and expressing herself. The only difference with Taylor is that he is a man... so here's a fact that outraged women need to remember. Feminists do NOT own the imaging rights to the human female form. Women do NOT own the imaging rights to the human female form. Artists are free to use the female form in their art even if it pisses off millions of women all over the world. It's not Matt Taylor here who needs to change or grow up, it's time for more feminist and perpetually outraged women and their male shields and knights to grow up and realize there really isn't anything all that special about the female body compared to the male body.. it's just a body. There's been over 80 billion human bodies on Earth, there's nothing rare here. Get over yourselves, please. People have work to do and they could do without this distracting nonsense!!
You are simply saying nothing here that is backed up by actual empirical research when you say that "I think a majority of actual discrimination happens from elementary school through very early career for women. By the time they become old enough to get "real jobs" in these fields, they tend to be over 40 and sex is not as big a factor in their earning. Not impossible to see a problem, but less likely."
This is the main talking points of mainstream feminism, academic feminism, or scholarly feminism (if it can be actually called that). The research is very clear that women are not being treated like sex objects in the workplace, at school, or in public. Before you do an try to use anecdotal opines, at least bring some real scientific research with you; otherwise, your credibility tends to take a hit.
NO, JDela , I think you've gone too far, and are starting to assume things, especially the notion that woman could wear a shirt like that at work, absolutely not. As to whether I personally support what I see, not entirely, I just see why the thing is there. Yes, they avoid litigation, but women are probably correct that avoiding the subject of sex at work is probably a useful way to avoid harassment and issues thereof.
Constantine Danny "very clear that women are not being treated like sex objects in the workplace, at school, or in public" um, RIIIIGHT. Keeping drinking the kool aid, Dude. I think you're high on it.
I don't know if my link with come through, but here you go. It's on Inside Higher Ed.
www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/08/13/researchers-react-study-about-sexual-harassment-scientists-field
And additionally, Sir, if you wish to throw this, you need to show some "empirical research" as well. And anecdotally, I don't even know one woman who hasn't found herself discounted by a man at least once for being a woman or who hasn't when she was young, had to talk her way out of something with a superior at work, or hasn't been treated like a sex object at an auto mechanic or other service provider. Not ONE. You are obviously delusional.
devorahacts Read my post again. I said that if the ESA had told Taylor to abide by a dress code there is no reason to assume he wouldn't, but they didn't. It's not corporate America, it's not "America", it's not the same environment at all. In that context, I wondered what the reaction would be if a WOMAN had done the same thing, I'm referring to the same environment. There would have been no Verge article, no outrage at all, and you know it. Yes, that's an assumption but it comes from years of watching gender activists invade spaces and bring about their McCarthyist witch hunt for infractions and thought crime against men and against some women who disagree with them. It is an assumption, but your initial post is full of assumption so let's not even go there.
Yes, I agree that the workplace is no place for sex, but take a look at the shirt and realize it is ONLY art. Trust me, no man will get sexually aroused by that shirt.. the male brain doesn't work the way that gender feminist activists think it does work. We don't spring an erection at anything that looks like skin, which is why beaches aren't packed full of erections and in that case, the skin is REAL, the women are actual REAL women, they aren't just artistic expressions of the female form that actually show less than you can see walking down the street on a hot day. I am repeating myself here but it is art, it isn't real. Whether it was appropriate to wear it in the workplace or not is a call for the employer to make, and as I said before, the women he worked alongside didn't seem to give a damn what he was wearing... it took an American white boy to throw a hissy fit on the Verge and use Matt Taylor as a stepping stone to make money from pageviews. Now THAT is scum. That is unethical.. it is classless tabloid manufactroversy crap and the result was torrents of abuse aimed at a guy who just liked a shirt that was made for him as a gift by a female friend.
You mentioned the word harassment.. do you really think that because that shirt is present that men will just start sexually harassing women around the office? PLEASE! Even the word harassment has been so bastardized by the perpetually offended that it bares no relation to what it should mean. One of the founders of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE... cool name, huh? :-) ), whose name I am embarrassed to say escapes me at the moment, described the difference between real harassment and imagined harassment once. He said that as a professor, students were free to write in papers about how his views were fascist, how he was a terrible human being, how he was this, that and the other. They could trash his research and so on, and that's fine, a campus is a place where individualism, free expression and everything that goes with it is paramount. However, if students became so obsessed with his work and agreed so deeply with him, that they sent love letters to his home, followed him around everywhere, told him repeatedly that he was incredible, amazing, special, that they loved him and cared for him and so on.. THAT is harassment! That actually is an invasion of his personal and professional space, it is not a disagreement, a criticism, a satire or anything like that, it is somebody invading his life and impeding it.
People who don't like Matt Taylor's shirt are entirely free, in my view, to express dislike. People who like it are entirely free, in my opinion, to express otherwise. When it is expressed in a public space, it is not harassment to disagree with either view. Taylor was hounded by people on social media, contacting his employers looking to get him in trouble and so on, over a shirt... not exactly disagreement, more like bullying and from the exact same people who scream "HARASSMENT" every time somebody criticizes their delicate world views. Nobody was harmed by Matt Taylor's actions.. but Taylor clearly was harmed by the actions of the authoritarian liberal thought police, mostly emanating from the "enlightened" U.S. west coast.
Matt Taylor as an example of someone objectifying women is so stupid it is hard to believe that it's a thing.
P.S., noticed the second half of your message actually refers to someone else, yet you forgot to attribute it correctly?
I did attribute it. It didn't tale the first time. And absolutely, there's proof that imagery is an expression of what people think inside. If you ever look up cartoon porn or hentai, then you know very well people get off on this stuff. Someone obviously asked Mr Taylor to change the shirt, the same day no less, so someone who he works for obviously told him to change it. We have no reason to believe it was his normal form of dress. I don't think Taylor was truly harmed by this. Most people laughed the issue off and still remember his contribution to science, hopefully along with th rest of his team. I don't know that no one got the wrong message from the shirt and no one was hurt by it. I don't know that a young girl wasn't put off by it, or that maybe some of the several scientists who did complain didn't feel liek the Boy's Club was at it again. You don't know either, you just want to think so.
If someone finds his shirt offensive they should live in a cave far from civilization.
i've watched most of your videos, and i think i've found my new role model. a smart woman with critical thinking skills and is well spoken. what more does someone need.
"He renounced his own shirt..." haha
If you can not tell a woman what to wear, what gives people the right to tell this man what he should or should not wear? If a person finds that mini skirts are offensive, can he/she go to offending person and ask her not to wear it, because he/she finds it offensive? Now what do feminists think they are to tell Dr. Matt Taylors what he should or should not wear? Is he their child? Who do they think they are? Should humanity not follow the dictates of the feminist dress code? Can we see the double standards here?
Thank you for providing words of reason.
I like James Lindsay's policy and advice on social media scolds and cancellation/struggle sessions:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session
"My rules right now include *never* to apologize when someone demands it, *never* to apologize to groups, only specific individuals, *only* to apologize for errors not hurt feelings, and to apologize as often as possible in one-on-one settings not in public (which is signaling)."
"The point of a cancellation attempt (struggle session) is to strip you of the moral authority necessary to stand up for yourself. That's why you can't acquiesce, can't give in, can't apologize under those conditions. Once you lose it, you almost can't get it back."
"Surviving a social media #StruggleSession is easier than you think.
1) Stand your ground.
Do not apologize for being problematic, only for normal errors. Reject attempts to problematize you.
2) Don't engage.
Maybe call them frauds. Turn off your notifications. Carry on."
If they successfully make you apologize, they know they've got you. Apologizing won't even matter - they'll complain that it didn't go far enough, wasn't sincere, didn't address their core blather.
Great video, I agree with you! Btw, I read about you in Steven Pinker's _The Blank Slate_ . He gave you a lot of credit. Do you know him personally?
As an astrophysics student my first and last women in science meeting was when I was told my hello kitty decor was sexist... I sadly had to abandon my astro dreams for an engineering job when the economy collapsed in 2008, where were the feminists on that one?
Please post the whole citation for the NAS study. Sounds fascinating. Thanks!
I'm thankful for this video. Finally, somebody who speaks from reason rather than playing the victim.
you've just earned my subscription
What a weak soul if a T-shirt can ruin a monumental human achievement for her.
The shirt is beautiful! Your friend did a great job! Wear it with pride my friend
Thank you, again.
An instance of open bullying that marred a fantastic achievement by a team of dedicated scientists engineers and supporters.
#Shirtgate The women and men that have attacked Matt because of his shirt, are not really Feminist. They people with nothing better too do with their lives. Matt and the team have done something amazing. If a little thing like a shirt can piss people and the media of, then I'm sorry but then their are too stupid for their own good.
And Mrs. Sommers... thank you once again for being a voice of reason :)
The difference between feminists like her and McIntosh: The ability to think logically. Anyone who actually puts forth logic I respect, and Factual Feminist is one of those I respect.
I would have loved to link this video, but you lack of linkable sources in the description disturbs me.
Thank you Dr. Sommers for taking Dr. Plait to task for this. It's nice to see a valid takedown of this argument about misogyny and sexism in science (based largely on new-age puritanism). It will be interesting to see if Plait responds to this.
Omg this is gold and I love your videos! You are a prime example of a feminist (and I also love that you call yourself that and not an "equalist")!
Thank you.
Masculine Men can't criticize mainstream feminist argument without being labeled a misogynist.
I'm happy Christina is recognizing our issues.
I'm tempted to say "I LOVE" your videos... but they are so rational, well elaborated, and the arguments are so logical and smartly articulated ... that it sounds wrong to let my feelings judge.
I'll say than, that I profoundly admire your production and your fresh insight on this issues.
Apparently we're in the middle of a (so called) "feminist" inquisition... where any representation of a woman is wrong (as if it was the prophet Muhammed himself who was being portrayed) ... it's just insane.
God I love this woman. What an eloquent, affluent, smart, rational and beautiful human who is one of the only feminists I have encountered who can look objectively at the feminist narrative and critique it's silly aspects. Keep on uploading darling you are a welcome breath of fresh air.
Every time one of these storm in a teacup "Outrages" happen I seek out this channel and then waves of relaxation wash over me and I can breathe easy again, knowing there is still a shred of sanity left in the world. It's kinda of like the freakonomics angle. The "Shitstorm" happens....then the hysterical reaction...then the calm, measured breakdown of the bullshit agenda and whats really being said. AHHHHH!!! The soothing bubblebath of logic and rationality...
I like you so much Factual Feminist. Not going to lie I've done my fair share of feminist hating in the past because all I've ever really seen is "Feminazis" like big red yelling about how men are worthless and all we do is walk around raping and oppressing. You however are different, you are this amazing intellectual who makes great points about issues and focuses on the number one issue, and that is equality of the sexes. I wish more feminist were like you and maybe most of them are. I however have only heard the loudest voices which tend to be those with opinions I can't stand. Thank you so much for being a voice of reason in all of this craziness. :)
These people are just working hard (harder than I've seen anyone do actual work in their midst, mind you) to find things to be offended at. They lack the thick skin needed to interact with others who do not share absolutely all of their views. It would be rather pathetic and quite laughable, were it not the case that they actually managed to had him crying and apologizing just a couple of days afterwards.
I find it pretty ironic that I've seen people say that Matt Taylor deserved all the abuse he got because of what he was wearing. This confirms a suspicion I've had for a while now: when they accuse society of holding that women "deserve" to get raped because of what they wear, they are only projecting their own ways of thinking onto everybody else, and as the pot calling the glassware black, accusing us of the defects they have yet we will not share.
I love watching the factual feminist, this episode brings up a great point. I do believe that the out cry over this t-shirt and the bullying that has gone along with it is a prime example of what is damaging feminism today. When 'feminist' complain about something as meaningless as a t-shirt it distracts from what feminism is actually trying to accomplish.. We have much bigger fish to fry!
Allways nice to see another video from the factual feminist:)
Much respect!
It would be nice if the American Enterprise Institute could just link more source articles and studies quoted in the weekly videos. For further reading, to have more statistical data to read. Can you?
I just don't understand why there aren't hoards of women like Mrs. Sommers.
Anyone who even thought about the shirt over one if the most insanely incredible accomplishments in space science should be ashamed to show their face in public. Despite what most have been told their whole lives, some people are just better than others by virtue of their job. Scientists like him aren't exactly graduating in droves. People like him are the ones creating our future.
Hey. Well done.
Love the argumentations, and I love the calm charismatic approach, which many modern day feminists seem to toss out the window.
This whole situation pissed me off mainly for two reasons:
1. That feminists are being extremely patronizing of other women, implying that a shirt somehow makes them feel too bad to join a scientific field. Well maybe, if they have the mental age of a 10 year old. Someone who wants to see change becomes the change.
2. It is just plain bullying in disguise. Calling him trash, saying his achievements mean nothing, calling for him to lose his job... Anywhere in person that would be bullying. But since this is just some bloggers and journalists, they're "opinion pieces"
it's not a shirt that prevents people from doing something.
it's people themselves.
You're no feminist. You're sane.
Would be nice if you included links to the studies mentioned.
She actually said, "This is madness." I was searching for a witty and pithy reply that would make Leo proud. :)
I was told by Mr repzion to sub to u I think ur a good person
So Doctor's degrees, 2012, finds 77.5% of veterinary medicine being female, 74.4% in psychology and 53.3% in biological sciences / biology, and the question is how do we increase the percentage in math based sciences. No question as to how to increase the percentage of males in the non-math based sciences though.
No not a peep. That is telling.
You are absolutely right.
My advice to women: Models freely participate and get paid for posing for images. If you don't like the appearance of half-naked women in the media and on products, then....
Just. Don't. Participate.
No men are forcing women to do this. If you feel intimidated, then maybe you need to work on your confidence. I do not find these models attractive. I want a woman I can hold onto, one that has some presence. My wife is an athletic build. We both have a more barrel shaped chest, so we'll never look flat like that. Those skimpy girls are twigs. They aren't ideal for me. Please, for all that is holy, recognize that. Stop seeking out people that are drawn to those women and find the people that aren't, because they are out there. You are in charge of your attitude.
Stop fighting "the patriarchy". I'm sorry, patriarchy isn't responsible for random rape attacks. That's so deep in fallacious logic, I can't help you or discuss with you how to improve things for women. That ideology closes the door for conversation, because it's not falsifiable. It's forever a monster in the closet that you can't measure. Focus on measurable goals.
Feminists seem intent on fighting illusionary monsters so that they can flex political power. The problem is that this doesn't affect the workplace at all. Most of the sexism is invisible in the media. And in today's world it's mostly isolated choices that are the most damaging.
The approach is wrong.
What you need to do is make the message positive.
Point to organizations that, don't just have women to have them, but have successful women and a good diverse workplace. Go beyond gender. Promote places that have successful minorities and women, that have overcome, and not just been handed to. For me, I find it even more divisive to see a person be handed anything due to a trait or status. It says that person couldn't accomplish on their own. How about recognizing women small business owners. If you want to change the industry, don't fight it, join it. Create a slice of pie for yourself, and prove that the ideal works. Women, start businesses, hire employees, advocate fair workplaces. Send a positive message.
Anyone I find doing those things, I will support.
However, if the motivation is hate, I ignore it. My life is too damn stressful as is to have some negative person throwing their political weight and trying to make me feel guilty for some "privilege" I personally didn't benefit from.