Trigger warnings demean feminism. Here's why. | FACTUAL FEMINIST
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- At a recent feminist conference in London, the attendees were advised NOT to clap their hands. Clapping, it seems, could trigger anxiety in the speakers and the participants. So instead, the audience was urged to express approval with something called “feminist jazz hands.” So far, Jazz Hands have not caught on in the United States, but trigger warnings have become de rigueur on many college campuses. Well, what exactly are trigger warnings and are they something we should welcome? AEI Scholar Christina Hoff Sommers gives you the facts.
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Trigger warnings developed in the feminist blogosphere, and typically they appeared at the beginning of articles to alert readers to potentially upsetting content about sexual assault or other violence. These were thought that could trigger traumatic memories in survivors. Well in recent years these warnings have moved from blogs to newspapers to classrooms. Professors at schools like Oberlin, Rutgers, and UCSB have been urged to place “trigger warnings” on reading lists with books like The Great Gatsby or Things Fall Apart-these need warnings because they include upsetting descriptions of misogyny, sexual violence, racism, colonialism. As a UCSB lit major, Bailey Loverin, explained in the New York Times, “without a trigger warning, a survivor might black out, become hysterical or feel forced to leave the room.” There has been a lot of pushback against the culture of trigger warnings. But to no avail. And the list of triggering events and materials it just keeps growing. In its summary of potential triggers, Geek Feminism Wiki mentions topics body shaming and eating disorders. It notes that members of a fertility support group might require warnings for pregnancy announcements. And it turns out a trigger warning itself can be triggering. The Factual Feminist is concerned. I don't view trigger warnings as a wholesome development--for so many reasons. I’ll mention three: First, trigger warnings have no basis in the scientific literature. Richard McNally, a Harvard psychologist and expert on anxiety disorders, recently published a review of the relevant research which suggests that these warnings do more harm than good. It turns out that most trauma victims are resilient, they don’t need therapy and certainly don't need trigger warnings. For the small percentage who suffer from Post-traumatic Stress Disorder, trigger warnings appear to be counter-productive. “Avoidance,” says McNally, “reinforces PTSD. Conversely, systematic exposure to triggers and the memories they provoke is the most effective means of overcoming the disorder.” Now second objection, trigger warnings are creating a hostile environment for critical thinking and free expression. Professors at leading colleges and universities have to carefully scan their classroom materials for anything that might conceivably make a student uncomfortable. A Harvard Law School professor, Jeannie Suk, recently published an article in The New Yorker about how law school students are now demanding trigger warnings for any discussion of sexual violence, and some are saying that this shouldn’t be taught at all. Too upsetting. Too disturbing. Another professor wrote about his fear of accidentally saying something insensitive and unleashing a mob of aggrieved students “carrying mattresses to your office hours” or “starting a twitter petition demanding you chop off your hand in repentance.” It’s the custom on some campuses for traumatized students to gather in “survival circles” where they give each other shoulder massages and share feelings and offer mutual support. But the classroom is not massage therapy, it’s not a feelings circle-it is supposed to prepare students for life and its inevitable challenges. Finally-I want to say this-Trigger warnings are embarrassing to women and to feminism. They convey the idea that women are helpless children --delicate little injured birds who cannot cope with clapping.
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I think that if feminists want to mandate trigger warnings, then they should stop saying that women are strong and independent beings.
BrentJohn Bbbbbbbbut that would undermine the narrative. No just NO! Let's pretend these contradictory things don't exist. Ah there puppies. See all is well.
BrentJohn seriously feminism is basically just fighting for women to achieve panophobia.
Brandon Davis Only the radical ones. People like Christina Hoff Sommers are sensible at least.
BrentJohn Yeah, I forgot to add that caveat. I've been becoming more of a fan Christina Hoff Sommers but she's so full of actual common sense I forget she still accepts the label. Nonetheless, I agree.
Brandon Davis That should speak volumes on the state of feminism as a whole.
A loud round of clapping applause to you Factual Feminist! We dont need jazz hands and safe bubbles and trigger warnings, we need LIFE. You make an amazing point that we as women are not these delicate little flowers that need to be protected against the oppression of clapping or the potential that something may be offensive. I dont want to live in a society where I cant study criminal law because discussion of rape might offend some special snowflake. What is going to happen to these special snowflake college students when they enter the "real world". Real life doesnt come with trigger warnings and puppy videos with cookies and pillows when things get potentially offensive.
We don't need trigger warnings they don't help with the real world plus it makes me wanna punch a random person in the face
Bacon Boi See!? Trigger warnings _cause_ harm. They don't prevent it. ;)
Thyri Carver Totally agree. It might make sense to have puppies and cookies if you're dealing with a rape victim, but we can't change the whole society so they'll never feel bad anywhere. It's impossible.
And someone being offended is the lamest excuse to avoid/censor any subject. We need to discuss things to get them solved, and avoiding the problems will do exactly the opposite.
Thyri Carver YOU SAID MY TRIGGER WORD
I WILL SHOOT YOU WITH THE TRIGGER OF MY GUN
FUCK I SAID TRIGGER
FUCK I SAID TRIGGER AGAIN
FUCK I SAID TRIGGER AGAIN AGAIN
FUCK I SAID TRIGGER AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN
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FUCK A NEW TRIGGER
FUCK I SAID TRIGGER
FUCK I SAID TRIGGER AGAIN
FUCK I SAID TRIGGER AGAIN AGAIN
FUCK I SAID TRIGGER AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN
Hircine NI !!!!
If you trigger and you know it, clap your hands.
If you trigger and you know it, clap your hands.
If you trigger and you know it, then your Tumblr surely shows it,
If you trigger and you know it, clap your hands!
Just a little ditty from a friend of mine.
Amazing
Wowowowowowow this made me luagh my ass off
The "safe space" room contained all the things you would expect to find in a child's daycare facility. No wonder why so many people see feminists as children.
Agreed. They are treating the adult students who are supposed to be training for adult life the same as they were treated when they were back in daycare. How is this not harmful?
OVergrown children being elevated in society is harmful as a whole. They're not being made tough. They're being made softer and being conditioned to think that the world should mould to suit them, not the other way around.
The same carbon mouth breathers who pioneered *"safe space rooms"* are also the same DNA donors who came up with the idea of participation trophies for little league sports, spelling bee competitions etc.
Just stop it already.
jazz hands trigger me
I find your being triggered by jazz hands very triggering
Yetaxa you being triggered just triggered me stop triggering me
synapse I am triggered by your discussion of triggering, and since I have an anxiety disorder, if you say I trigger you, you're ablest. Checkmate.
leotamer5 checkmates trigger me
Saiyo Star Criticism triggers me.
I think the idea of banning the teaching of rape law in law school has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
What happens in 10 years when a man is on trial for rape and his lawyer can't argue his case because she never learned rape law because it was triggering for her
If you can't handle being exposed to a mandatory part of your profession, then you better find a new field of work.
shadowspider9 You think in 10 years men will still get actual trials when charged with rape. That's cute.
OniGanon
Good point
OniGanon You think in ten years only men will continue to rape. That's cute.
shadowspider9 oh, don't be silly! feminists don't need classes to know rape laws. the man did it. even if there was no man, the man did it.
shadowspider9
Clearly, you know nothing of criminal law. Rape is the easiest charge to prove. The man is always guilty, and the woman is always the victim.
In 10 years, I doubt we'll even need to host trials for rape. We'll replace trials with Listen And Believe.
Thank you for identifying as a feminist and not being a stereotype, we need more people like you.
+AkiraScrolls She shouldn't be identifying as a feminist. When people like her - reasonable people at the fringes of the movement - use that term to refer to themselves, they reinforce the ideology and the social organism that is feminism. Feminism wasn't hijacked, it didn't get corrupted. It was rotten from the start, because it bases its entire worldview on ideology, an ideology rooted in falsehoods and warped perspectives about how human societies work and worked historically. It impedes more than it enables, and hurts more than it heals. This regressive, tribalist religion needs to be removed from social influence, not "reclaimed" (not that people like CHS would have any success at that). Being a more reasonable feminist is like being a moderate religious person - you might not be a raving extremist, but you're still promoting a belief system at odds with reality. Feminism has little of relevance to say, because it is an inherently flawed ideology. If its believers and defenders would let it be challenged openly, logic and truth will pull it to pieces in no time flat (see: Karen Straughan, for instance). This is partly why zealots of the religion must scream down their opponents and block a free exchange of ideas; the totalitarian aspect of feminism that is so prominent.
+Matthew Collins "It was rotten from the start"
I disagree, 1st and 2nd wave was fine.
But yes, 3rd wave is cancerous cancer
+Matthew Collins I would also have to disagree.
Feminism served as an amazing tool for women to come together when we were unable to work, vote, wear what we wanted, and speak our minds... I am thankful that there was such a movement when these things were actual issues we faced every day.
I do not identify as a feminist, I never have, and certainly will not now due to 3rd-wave feminism... However; Just because the movement has morphed into bored, middle-class women looking for something to do, it should not detract from the feminism of yore that liberated women who certainly DID NOT have equal rights.
+Irisfound
I dunno...it's just ruined now. I'll never identify as a feminist either. Even in the year 2001, I was seeing self-proclaimed feminists in my high school get offended over trivial things. Now with people like Trigglypuff, it's at an all-time low.
FireMinstrel I agree that Feminism has become a redundant. unnecessary and harmful movement, what I was defending was first-wave feminism that actually helped women fight for the right to vote and work, etc...
To say that feminism has NEVER been beneficial is being ignorant to history.
I have PTSD (it's diagnosed and everything) from sexual assault, but to be honest I often ignore trigger warnings because even though it triggers me from time to time, for me it is important to learn new things about it, because that's the only way I might get over it. I can't just hide from my past, I have to learn how to deal with it, even though it's hard
Thx for saying this and also im a boi who doesnt have ptsd HI!!!👋
And that's a Woman. WELL DONE.
@Anonymous Alcoholic PTSD can be different for anyone. You don’t get to gatekeep a disorder. While I do experience the same symptoms you experience, I still get panic attacks when I see graphic rape scenes l, but I learned how to handle it
@Anonymous Alcoholic not really. It is not really a thing in my country. I have done MDMA for recreational use before, but I don’t think that was therapeutic
I have PTSD and DID and I totally get it! Like people need to learn how to grow from their experiences, not hide behind trigger warnings.
"A trigger warning itself can be triggering"
I've said this before and people thought I was just trolling.
Christopher wootton Yup. I had absolutely no fears and anxieties before this trigger warning crap. Now that it has become completely mad, I feel agitated every time a damn trigger warning is given. It's ridiculous. Some times I even feel the urge to laugh my ass off in contempt.
Christopher wootton A trigger warning immediately sets up a feeling of stress by putting someone on guard. So, instead of enjoying a book, they are looking for the moment that they will be sent, screaming, to their blanket fort and puppy videos.
Mr.Thunder Suckle Fuzz Canyon Personally, I feel enraged. I wonder if that still counts as triggered.
Christopher wootton do never
EVER!
joke or make parodies about the newage 3rd wave tumblr feminism
...cause every single little joke you make will eventually become reality
Christopher wootton Trigger warnings trigger in me an intense rage that anyone would shelter themselves so thoroughly from the human experience, when experiencing life is in my view the entire point of life.
Play-Doh, coloring books, bubbles, frolicking puppies, cookies..
JFC.
Kat Roo You mentioned Jesus in an acronym. I'm triggered at the thought of nails through hands.
Damn it. :P
Evan Lindsay Your triggering triggered me. Just wait until my women's rights group hears about this.
What if someone is triggered by cookies and bubbles?
Kat Roo oh crap. Im a cis white man. I'll be hung from the rafters.
Kat Roo This is what our ancestors fought and died for.
Triggered by trigger warnings. Now that's meta
I smell a new low-key meta
I'm triggered by jazz hands. I was raped during a jazz musical.
#triggered
I understand that you disagree with trigger warnings, but rape isn't a joke. Please don't make it one.
"You can accept that things are tragic and awful and still have a sense of humor about them. It doesn't make you a bad person despite what some blog may say. "Oh there's nothing funny about AIDS. There's nothing funny about rape." Uh, yes there is if you write a good joke there's funny things about it."
-Daniel Tosh
I was raped by Al Jolson.
Thirsty Boi PREACH
- You can't make jokes about rape!
- Mmmmmm.... Turns out I can!
Jim Jeffries
As I said on Milo Yiannopolous's video on "feminist jazz hands", I think a better alternative would be for all the men in the audience to whip it out and helicopter like mad, while all the "triggered" individuals trample each other on their way out the emergency exits.
This is what helicopter parenting and helicopter schooling has wrought. Well-meaning desires to shield children from hurt and conflict have created a generation of young people who have no idea how to resolve a conflict without adult intervention, how to play on monkey bars or, heaven forefend! climb a tree, without scads of rules, supervision and safety nets, and where no one's ever had to experience a moment of discomfort.
So. What are these kids going to do when all the people who learned how to be actual grown-ups retire or die?
karen straughan Dystopia's incoming, let's all commit harakiri.
karen straughan More proof feminism tries to "empower" women by treating them as children. Why else would coloring books and Play Doh be given to people? Adults face their issues head on. Children run and play with toys and watch cartoons.
I fear that when I'll be 45, the world will be ruled by toddlers in adults bodies... and I'm 38.
karen straughan These kids are going to do what they are doing: Demanding the state to take over the job of parenting them. Soon they will be demanding the state to teach thieves not to rob people.Kids in my day ran around the fields, broke arms, got home full of bruises after an afternoon playing games. Now, kids are put in school in private cars and have to wait for their parents to pick them up.
No wonder when their hormones kick in they rage hard and start acting like shitty teens. The difference is, in the old days teens knew about responsibility and they would get punishment for their choices, now they just blame their crap on society.
Let me know when this happens, I want to be there.
"Without a trigger warning, a "survivor", might black out, become hysterical, or feel forced to leave the room" Shit like this gives my ribs a good work over. Society has become a retarded version of the Twilight Zone.
"People may be distressed by the sudden need to switch to self-preservation mode" for fuck sakes.
***** "self -preservation mode". Basically it can trigger fight or flight. Well, if you can't keep your shit together, you're basically a fucking child. So the inventory list of that safe room didn't surprise me one bit.
***** That was great.
***** You see, that is a very good trap card you play, however thanks to the progressive stack mechanic I can say I have an anxiety disorder and that trigger warnings trigger me, and if you dis ague, you're ablest.
***** I feel that trigger warnings are going to cause me to go postal.
***** Check your privilege and stop perpetuating Clap culture.
I'm sorry but all these trigger warnings and safe spaces make the whole movement look like some sort of comedy sketch.
Flavor of the Month Socialist some people do need trigger warnings tho
@@okfatima no
When I visited a counselor for my anxiety, I was asked about how my anxiety is "triggered". But instead of telling me, okay, now avoid anything that triggers you to become anxious. My counselor worked with me to then challenge my way of thinking once something triggered my anxiety so that I could then work to overcome it. And one of the worst symptoms of anxiety is avoidance, which is how I became agoraphobic. If it was not for challenging my way of thought so that I could overcome my anxiety, I would still be stuck inside my house not able to live my life, constantly trying to avoid certain things that might "trigger" me.
As a person who has suffered from severe social anxiety (Some situations even made me suicidal) I can stand and swear in a court of law that exposure to uncomforting situations is the key to healing yourself.
I agree, but i think the main point of this video is that "clapping" is such a mundane thing that if it "triggers" you then you need to seek some serious professional help instead of forcing others to conform to your ideal social construct.
Also, that goes for other thing such as (but not limited to); profanity, sexuality, expressive ideas, entertainment where fictional victimization is not actual victimization, satire, and many many moar things.
fredriksk21 Exposure therapy FTW!
***** yes its totally retarded its not helping people some idiot actually told me that im a bad person for telling someone that overprotecting someone with a mentall illness can make it worse, he ended up telling me that i didnt sufer from OCD because if i had OCD i would agree with him.
I seriously urge every conservative, and especially every liberal, to read Jack Williamson's "The Humanoids" and "The Humanoid Touch". Compare it with what's going on in America. It will scare the shit out of you.
I've never read those but "1984" also does the trick
Nicholas Amann
The Harvest Moon cover pick is a double entendre. It emphasizes my ultimate cuteness while hiding my dirty mind :D
Fubar AlAkbar I've read George Orwells 1984. It is pretty on point with what's starting to happen as well.
Something else to add to my endless reading list.
Evan Lindsay 1984 for most is simply a good read. To some, it's a warning. To feminists and SJWs, it's a road map. If you want to understand what Utopia looks like to SJWs and their various strains of crazy, 1984 illustrates it it in all it's soul destroying glory.
What exactly are trigger warnings and are they something we should welcome? #FactualFeminist #triggerwarnings #feminism
American Enterprise Institute Why do I get the feeling she was holding back her real thoughts in this video. I could see her really being like "Trigger Warnings. Really?!?! Fuck that shit. Put a trigger warning on that...Next topic"
Edward Pettinger Where have you been? It has always been eating its self.
American Enterprise Institute
This video has a serious lack of frolicking puppies. I'm reporting you to the sensitivity squad.
Please make a podcast I would listen to that all day
American Enterprise Institute Talk of trigger warnings, or rather the lack of them, is an excuse to throw a tantrum, yell at people and generally claim victim status and the moral authority that goes with it. It's a bludgeon.
I think this channel is actually kind of badass. factual feminist keep up the good work.
I agree. I respect what she is doing here. And she is actually making us understand the real feminism much better.
I get trying to help people who have survived painful situations and etc. But trigger warnings are harmful for mature discussions. These are the results of a system that cuddles children into "safe spaces" and prohibited them of developing the tools necessary to survive in society. People blame the rise of "autism" on vaccines and etc. One of the characteristics of autism is underdeveloped language skills and social interaction. I put it to you: What does more damage? Vaccines (who never actually caused autism) or cuddling children and adults with trigger warnings?
Diogenes of Sinope I have a severe anxiety disorder. I grew up around another who had the exact same disorder. He was coddled. I was not. He can't drive, talk to anyone but family, get a job, or live on his own. I can do all of those things, despite it stressing me out more than it would the average person.
Day and night difference. This is what "Trigger Warnings" will do to people.
westwood MGTOW loll (at them, not you)
Diogenes of Sinope Recent studies are suggesting that the mother's age plays a part in the likelihood of a child being born with some form of autism. Iirc the risk is increased with mothers of 30. When you factor in the amount of women who put off having children for school and work, it's no mystery why autism is on the rise.
The professional and academic world just isn't set up for women to have children during their prime birthing years. The whole thing is quite alarming.
TJ IsHere No birth defects they said.
Jennifer Aniston did it they said.
You can HAVE IT ALLLLL they said.
Diogenes of Sinope While I think TWs are dumb impying they cause autism is equally dumb
A feminist with a brain? What is this? A world that isn't doomed?
I shouldn't be reading these comments with the cold I have as it's making me cough after laughing... but...
an idiot with a keyboard? What is this? Oh wait, that's normal.
yellowkillSC TRIGGERED! Did you just assume that I have a keyboard?
So is triggered the go-to response for morons with no real response? I'm not online often enough to really get these things considering I have a life. But feel free to reply quickly and promptly with a response as idiotic as "Did you just assume that I have a keyboard?"
So you do the exact same thing you complain about and then proceed to tell part of the interwebz that you have a life? AHAHAHAHA LMAO classiest joke of the year award goes to you.
What's next? Medical students complaining about having to study about penis because it's triggering?
+kosimiki Well,there was one time when I think a bit of an advanced warning would have been nice for me.But just one time.
I'm an MD in an Eastern European country.During med school,I was in a team that tried to resuscitate two people.Unfortunately,they died.I later found out there was nothing that could be done(ruptured cardiac wall due to miocardial infarction,basically a death sentence unless you have a new heart ready for transplant).I did not loose any sleep about it,but i thought it was kinda fucked up,even though you do everything by the book,people still die.That was a life lesson.
Now,about that advanced warning I mentioned.I was watching a British comedian on youtube.I was eating,and he starts talking about a disgusting sexual practice called felching.i did not knew the term at the time,but luckily,he goes on to explain it.Needless to say,I expelled half the contents of my stomach on the keyboard.So yea,a bit of a warning before would have been nice.Oh and..Jimmy Carr,you fucking cunt,you owe me a new keyboard.
LostSinner
I've seen people die in front of me,I'm not squeamish,nor easily impressed.However,I was watching a routine by a British comedian Jimmy Carr and he made a joke about felching.I barfed all over my keyboard.It was the only time when a little warning would have gone a long way.
Ionescu Constantin isn't it a bit odd? I mean ye, broadly considdered disturbing things should require a warning (not a trigger warning thats something different).
Trigger warning is for example (by feminist standart for YOU) is reminding you about that show by mentioning the comedians name or youtube or anything related. And that I think is dumb.
+Ionescu Constantin felching?
Amunch
Trust me,you don't want to google that.Just be content with my opinion,"IT"S FUCKING DISGUSTING".
Being a sufferer of anxiety, I have found overcoming anxiety is best done by exposing yourself to your triggers and made worse by hiding from your triggers.
you're the feminist we respect and need!
this new feminism is just ridiculous!
+George Sevnv
To the old-school!
I couldn't agree more.
lmaoo wtff i thought trigger warnings were a joke this entire time :O
This is what happens when you nerf the world for children. All that "everyone's a winner" bullshit sure is catching up to us.
TOTALLY TRUE!!!
Again i say we should start beating our children again. "Oh you broke my favorite vase doing something ive repeatedly told you not to do?" is the correct answer a) "Its okay, i didnt even want to keep my $1000 vase, you keep following your dreams of becoming an indoor football player" b) "Get the hell out of my house, NOW" or c) "IVE TOLD YOU BEFORE AND ILL TELL YOU AGAIN *notices kid crying* OH, ILL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT *takes of belt that is never really used to hold up pants and beats child. he never does the stupid thing again*. i hope you can answer correctly.
Your 3 options are totally inappropriate. If my child broke an important object of mine, I would first blame myself for keeping an expensive vase within target range and secondly, I would assign an appropriate consequence, starting with cleaning up the mess. This would be followed with a plan to pay me back with an extra chores or having to research and write an essay about respecting property and probably listening to a lecture. I have a child and she hasn't broken much except for a dish here or there. I attribute this to not child proofing my house except for keeping cleaning supplies out of reach and covering outlets. I taught her how to "be" in a house. I did this by example and by teaching. Beating doesn't work but appropriate consequences do. These SJW kids were nerfed within an inch of their lives and never taught any manners. Friends of ours was totally okay with allowing her kid to pee on our sofa and was annoyed with us for getting really annoyed at her lack of reaction. In a nutshell, kids need APPROPRIATE consequences, good adult role models and being held accountable. The formula is simple.
mcmlxix69 Or you could just not think about it that much and spank a child when they do something you've repeatedly told them not to do
"Nerf the world." Yeah, mother nature actually sends out patch notes, albeit over millions of years and in small increments. I think the mods (scientists) call it evolution.
The "thumbs up" symbol is a phallic symbol and should be replaced with a jazz hand to prevent any triggering.
;)
Jazz hands are 10 phallic symbols. Its like gang rape.
I have dealt with a panic disorder since I was about six years old. One of my main triggers has always been vomit. When I was little I would get very angry if my sister got sick or if a movie had vomit in it, even if my parents didn't know it did. My parents were always very clear that hiding from my fears would not help and that getting angry at people for exposing me to triggers was unacceptable. Today I still deal with emetophobia and panic but I have tools to cope, and it is no ones job but my own to make sure that I use those tools. Trigger warnings are mostly childish, as is getting angry when you are triggered by the world. It's something I did as a kid, it certainly isn't something I should get away with now as a college student
Yeah, when I was little during snack time at school, the smell of peanut butter would make me a little nauseous. I wasn't allergic to peanuts, but I just started to associate the smell of peanut-butter with the harshness of hunger. It was entirely Pavlovian. It was in my head and when I got older it went away.
I can imagine had I been raised in the recent decade, I would have felt empowered to tell teacher of my woozy tummy and then the whole class would have been on lockdown, notes sent to all parents to stop the peanut-butter snacks.
Oh, what am I saying? We already have no more peanut-butter in schools.
Trigger warnings are meant for people who aren’t prepared for the realities of the world
1st world problems 101.
Is that part of the Gender Studies curriculum?
Dong Blak Lets hope not.
More like fucking stupid devolution
Okay, so I originally wanted to crack a joke about trigger warnings giving me trigger warnings, only to hear that this is actually a thing while writing said comments.
I don't even know anymore. At this point, this all feels like the largest inside joke of humankind.
Ravenier Jokes are fucking triggering, fuckface! Don't even mention them... mr. entitled!
Using the words "fucking", "fuckface", and "Mr." are triggering me. You flippin entitled person of cis male identity >:(
duke9891 Emoticons are triggering as fuck. Stahp it and listen! You privileged fucktard, give as a warning! :(
Shit, i fucked that one up, a real feminazi misandrist would never you the word "please" when calling somebody out over bullshit.
duke9891 nah, you're good. As long as it's interpreted as passive aggressiveness, it's fine!
Sommers you are so right.
I have anxiety, and depression. I REFUSE to use trigger warnings, despite being an easily set-off person. I can spiral into a depressive mood in a snap over something as stupid as someone talking about sex.
But I need these experiences to learn to cope with my depression, and figure out what I'm doing wrong and what I'm doing right. It is a learning experience. I don't want to be hindered by my depression and anxiety.
These people just want the world to accommodate to their preferences. It is not a necessity to have trigger warnings, it is a want. And I can understand feeling mentally safe, as my "safety" is indulging in video games. We need time off from reality sometimes, to chat with friends and express our worries or have fun, or just to be by ourselves with our hobbies. But we also need to experience reality, otherwise we will never grow up.
These are people who want that "time off" all the time. It's nothing but harmful to their psych, and to society.
Jazz hands killed my mother.
#triggered
I'm triggered by people being triggered
#Triggered
Isaac Evilman I'm triggered by people being triggered by people
#triggered
Jose Guzman I'm just triggered because I'm living an existence where we can't tell if our lives are dictated by radical freedom or rigid determinism.
#Triggered
Malik Jackson me too
@@drahgon1079 im triggered at people getting triggered at people getting triggered at people
#Triggered
My close friend's brother was in the British Army Medical Corp, who very nearly got blown up in Belfast by the Europa Hotel bombing (one of many) back in the day. Few of his squad were severely injured.
He went for a psych analysis after, checking for signs of PTSD, he was asked what was the last thing he remembered?
To which he replied "Boom!","ya dickhead".
"Now can I get back to my platoon?" - Papers signed and he was back on patrol within 3 days.
He himself said he was suffering from PTSD but just wanted to get on with his job...
In his (rather drunked) words: "Bad shit happens to people all the time, sucks if it happens to you, but what you gonna do, let it effect you for the rest of your life?"
A lot of people see mental illness as this permanent handicap, like if I say I have PTSD then I need to be treated differently. It does not help me if people avoid saying or doing certain things around me. In fact, it just reinforces within me the thought that I should feel traumatized and get hysterical. For real, fireworks make me want to drop to the ground like I'm getting fired on, but I know that I'm not in a war zone and the feeling passes. People look at the colors in the air it makes and smile. If everyone around me looked at me with a worried face, I'd feel like there was a serious issue with me.
I can deal with PTSD, as long as I can be honest about it and those around me don't treat me weird about it.
My family has been involved in each British conflict to my knowledge during and since WW1.
I myself am applying to become an OPMI in INT Corp, then into EW specialist or become an Ammo Tech in Logistics, to then move into Bomb Disposal...
My cousin is a pilot in Army Air and he's finished his last tour in Afghanistan Feb 2014 and he had a rudder failure in which he had to assume controls over the panicking "rookie" pilot to safely crash land...
My military friends and family who've served all say the same thing:
Don't treat us any differently, just don't probe for answers, let us discuss it when we're ready or willing.
Think that's important, don't alienate those who have PTSD... Trauma can be overcome and dealt with.
Saying TRIGGER WARNING in front of everything won't help and as proven it makes it worse :P
Christopher wootton and ye, can imagine someone asking or saying "omg are you ok, is this triggering you, do you want to leave" just ups the anxiety and tension...
Okay, I have to give them props for outdoing themselves every time they come up with a new concept. Whatever happened to feminism just being about equal rights and equal opportunities for all? Thanks Christina for being a voice for those who actually are seeking equality.
As a jazz guitarist, Jazz Hands trigger me. Being silent it recalls to mind when my wah wah pedal's battery was dying and I could not hear my playing as well. I thought my talent and 39 years of playing had left me and suddenly I could not play. This caused great angst fear and trembling and when I see jazz hands which do not make jazz sounds it brings back this traumatic event.
I need a trigger warning for nonsense that pretends to be scientific while having no scientific basis at all.
Please put a trigger warning about trigger warnings. Trigger warnings really upsets me, I might black out, go histerical or be forced to leave the room.
Your comment triggered me.
***** You triggered me
MrCacagod all according to plan.
MrCacagod You triggered me!
MrCacagod the comment triggering him then triggering you triggered me. I want a public apology from everyone here for triggering me. lol
Cookies, colouring books, bubbles and Play-doh--how nice of them to provide a creche!
Great video, this is the first of your videos i have seen, but I like it so far. About the "jazz hands", this alternate from clapping is used in many (maybe all) deaf communities in the world. Which is actually pretty smart since they have bad hearing or none. They have probably gotten the idea from this, but it is meaningless and absolutely ridiculous if you dont have lowered hearing capabilities or completely deaf. No one will probably ever read this, but oh well.
Christina, you're restoring my faith in Feminism. Little by little, all those videos give me hope that one day feminism will return to its roots. I was part of the third wave and left the moment I felt it was too chaotic. Feminism needs leaders that actually respect people for who they are, not people who will lead everyone to chaotic manifestations, treat others violently and treat everyone else like monsters if they refuse to be associated with Feminism.
It's sooo obvious that avoiding talking about the problem will make the problem more persistent in the person who has experience the trauma. It's simple logic! Facing your fears will eventually come down to you defeating them!
And absolutely this makes feminist look like they cant handle difficult situations or facing their fears, and they rather stay in "safe" circles aka echo chambers than getting their ideas challenged. That is such a set back for feminist who want to be seen as actually strong women.
Feminist jazz hands?! XD
*FEMINIST JAZZ HANDS?!?!?!?*
This is the silliest thing I've heard in a long, long time.
This. Everything about this. Thank you. A friend and I were talking about people who scream "this needs a trigger warning" today.
This is actually a scarier thing than my emotions and conscious mind is giving credit for. I mean, I already have anxiety and I don't know how to "heal the mind" so to speak. The idea and reality of this is really going to reinforce mental issues.
The room shakes as the audiences jazz hands intensify.
Trigger warnings reinforce taboos on subjects that might offend. This is why they are there. Not because some sensitive butterfly will go into a coma or fits of rage at the mention of someone out there possibly being raped, but because by using trigger warnings, you are painting yourself and your subject of interest as potentially upsetting, thus creating an easily exploitable situation where your lecture or article can be stigmatized and be at the mercy of those who want to control it. Soon enough they can propose segregation of subject matters that might be triggering, limiting your audience and forcing you to avoid them if you want your subject to reach as many ears as possible. Similar to feminism's goals in video games, where themes that can potentially offend people should be shunned because the medium "needs to grow up".
It is a frighteningly exploitable situation in a world where anyone can be offended by anything, especially the things they disagree with. Whoever controls the outrage, controls the media, the entertainment, the education, and ultimately, all of modern western civilization.
poiumty Exactly. Some of these people are going so far left they're turning extreme right, it's borderline insanity.
I'd even say it's nefarious how people turn even simple criticism into some sort of violence towards their person. I've asked in an University community page what some of the academics had against the usage paragraphs in their posts (specially the long ones as they would be huge, unreadable blocks of text) and people started accusing me of linguistic prejudice for it, completely shitting up the topic in the process.
During a class in I had at college, we were shown a film about loss and grief, without any trigger warning. People shared their stories of losing a loved one, and I had recently lost a friend to suicide. I felt very emotional, and I cried during parts when a woman talked about her brother who also had committed suicide. The thing is, after the film was over, I felt better. I had to deal with my grief, and my friends supported me. It was probably the best thing that could have happened. If I had just put my fingers in my ears, closed my eyes, and pretended like my grief didn't exist, I would've exacerbated the situation. I think trying to avoid negative feelings are never good in the long run, instead it's better to try to handle them, get help from the ones close to you, or professionals if nescessary. Pain persists unless treated.
I have PTSD and anxiety (as well as other crap). Trigger warnings make me feel like the person thinks I am some china doll about to break. I am ok, I can handle shit. I don't need to be warned about everything. Hell, I have a fear of balloons, especially popping. I find jazz hands vs clapping laughable. I don't want to be babied, it is incredibly insulting and demeaning!
this is bull i am am somone that went through a lot of shit thing most people do not go through and u wanna know how i got through it i faced it i fought against the things that made me angry to remember and the things that made me want to kill my self if i did not face it i would still be in a situation where i wanted to die where me facing it made me want to live more then anything else so this hole trigger warning is bullshit face your problems or they will never go and will some day beat you
cerberus189 EXCUSE ME. Poor grammar is my trigger. Please, think about those who suffered in Grammar War II and correct your grammar. Thank you.
I find trigger warnings really insulting to someone who actually suffers and is diagnosed with PTSD. You see 13 year olds telling others online to "tag your triggers" and you get simple things like food, pda, eye contact, and other small things that make others "uncomfortable."
I mean I doubt you have a full on panic attack to the point where your heart is going into convulsions by seeing an image of a fruit...
GhostPokeMom yup. I deal with PTSD on a daily basis. Trigger warnings are bullshit. You never really know what will trigger you
13 yrs dont say"tag your trigger"
There was a while last year when I was really bothered more than normal by loud sounds, including clapping. You know what I did? I covered my ears. Wow. What a concept.
I have been annoyed by trigger warnings before but this is eye opening! I had no idea how bad it was getting that people can't clap!
"This has become women's liberation?"
Good point. It's actually become women's imprisonment, like little girls in an emotional dungeon.
Of course rape law shouldn't be taught in schools. Who needs to know what rape actually is when you can just go from them being mean on the internet to a very sexualized "Hello"
Rape should be only taught in tumblr.
Thanks for your sensible videos and helping to give integrity to the women's movement! I know several of these "fainting couch feminists" and I agree that it seems to have gone way wrong. Keep it up! You are appreciated!
I think we should do what we can to make the world a 'kinder' place for survivors of trauma--but that should have more to do with combating the causes of trauma, which can't be done if we have to tip toe around them in the intellectual spaces that are supposed to be exploring and confronting them. I think there's a place for trigger warnings--on blogs and websites that want to use them, not classes that are meant to inform and engage. I think survivors are made of stricter stuff--as for the ones that aren't, if their trauma is so serious they fall into a panic at the mere mention of its cause, they need more serious help than a 'trigger warning'. We should focus on combating a culture that causes trauma, widening access to mental health care, not beating around the bush in the face of these issues.
I am a bit more sympathetic to the trigger warning stuff when the triggered person is say, a rape victim, war veteran, etc. who may very well have PTSD. But I'm not sure that sheltering them from any chance of encountering discussion of these topics - even in passing - is a healthy thing to do. Just my uneducated opinion here but I feel like helping them to empower themselves to face these topics of discussion with confidence is better than letting them run off to their safe space with kittens and lollipops and finger paints, never again to hear the scary words or think the scary thoughts.
I would think (granted this is an assumption here) that if given the choice, most people would rather not be triggered than have to be a slave to trigger warnings.
And for the people who have no PTSD, no condition whatsoever, and who have never experienced anything remotely traumatic in their entire life, and are "triggered" by nothing more than opinions which don't match their own, for them I have no sympathy. Especially when they endeavor to compare their closed-mindedness to the very serious PTSD symptoms a person might experience if they are actually a survivor of trauma.
And no, hearing an opinion differing from your own does not qualify as surviving trauma.
thetripscaptain I have PTSD, I have been raped, sexually abused, beaten etc...and FUCK trigger warnings.
***** To be fair, when my stuff came to a head (about 8 months ago) and I was getting panic attacks over the smallest things, I went to see my doctor. She didn't know what to do, but gave me a referral to psych services, and also rang them herself to see what to do until someone could see me.
She tried one med, which had me in a police cell on suicide watch, then tried another and the second was fantastic. Before that I'd been having panic attacks several times a week, I've had one since then and I've been on the meds for about 6 months. (Venlafaxine/effexor).
One thing a lot of people need to remember is that it's not an exact science finding the right medication, and it's only treating the symptom so you can function, NOT the root cause. It is not the cure.
***** As I stated I've had a referral to psych services. I'm seeing a psychologist. unfortunately you have to go through GPs to get such referrals ;)
Trigger warnings for trigger warnings, lmao. You can't make this stuff up.
Hey I'm using some of your podcasts for a research paper of mine and I am having some troubles understanding Richard J. Mcnally's part in the study you references. Pacific Standard only cites him for one of the sections. Did he compile this information? The website makes it confusing because it doesn't seem to offer up a name of the author of the article.
I just discovered you today! Very upsetting I couldn't watch your content earlier, so informative and I love fact checking in a society where no one really cares about that anymore.
Its hard figuring out my opinion on trigger warnings. While I think it's good to provide care and treatment for PTSD victims and people who suffer from other mental disorders, I don't think that we should start slapping labels on books and textbooks.
It's hard having an opinion on trigger warnings because I know people can actually get triggered. From clapping? No. But my mother once had a very bad episode while watching 'Thelma and Louise'. Would a trigger warning help her? Well no, that episode actually helped her come to terms with her trauma.
You plusungood oldthinkers! Doublethink (also thinkful as triggerwarn) is needful to goodthink! I will report you to thinkpol.
I am so grateful this has actually been looked into. I've got a degree is Sociology, and while I am annoyed with all the people I meet that have no concept of their accruing advantages, institutional racism, and other issues, I am equally annoyed with the others who are Tumblr SJWs that mean well, but ultimately do just as much harm with poorly researched misinformation.
This is what ive been saying for months avoidance is one of the most damaging symptoms of an anxiety dissorder i didnt went through an exposure therapy so now i can be protected from all of my fears this is ridiculous!
As someone who was once "triggered" by something, I have to completely agree. I was in a rather melancholy-like state, not depressed really, just in a perpetual state of gloom (admittedly I had self-diagnosed myself with depression at the time; I was young and ignorant). So when I read something a friend had written, accidentally ignoring there warnings it had "triggered" me. And I didn't complain and when they asked my opinions I simply said what I had read was good! It actually made me feel prouder of myself when less than a week later I read the entire thing and was fine! I think triggers only promote you to not get over your problem!
Once, my home burned down and I lost everything.
For several months thereafter, the smell of smoke (camp fires etc.) caused me panic.
Even though it was uncomfortable, I spoke about it to friends, family, and even a therapist, and in time, the negative feelings went away.
My point? I think we can all take responsibility for our own "triggers" and learn to overcome them. I think it makes us more resilient when facing adversity. That's all :)
This is like a massive OCD episode, its an incredible social experiment. At the same time it just shows how much these people who are my age didnt went through any hardship in their lifes so they cant even confront an opinion that challenges a little bit its just disturbing. I hope they go and vistit the kids at the ghetto and actually learn what hardship is, i resently learned that some kids in chicago suffer from ptsd because their friends were shot dead, yet we got some jazz hands kids claiming that clapping remembers them that one time their Aunt made fun of them or something.
I go to an adult autism center on tuesdays, and they make this thing where you can choose between snapping or clapping. Honestly, I never really understand why snapping would be "good" if one other person would ask for claps- as the fact that they'd still be in the room when they did.
I remember I once got into a back and forth with a man regarding racial issues. He mostly threw out nothing but generalizations in his argument, but if I give him credit for anything it was standing there and arguing with me. I tried to have this discussion with a woman I went to college with about the unfairness of how some men can be treated if accused of rape and she did not want to hear me. I love this series. Stuff like this takes away discussion. We may never agree but at least talk about it.
'' Sticks and stones are hard on bones,
Aimed with angry art,
Words can sting like anything,
But silence breaks the heart.''
by Phyllis McGinley
My English teacher told us how a school tried to ban _To Kill a Mockingbird_ because it made the students 'uncomfortable'.
She agreed it was incredibly stupid.
I have ptsd, I prefer to know if something is going to be a trigger if I watch tv or a visual presentation. I feel like that is different though. Tv rating guidelines will normally address that to you before the show. I also like the control to know that I can walk away from something if it is resurfacing those memories or change the channel.
Im happy to trip over this chanel. I find my selfe agreing allot with you and it is intresting to listen to on the back ground while Im gaming.
Thank you for all you are speaking out on Ms. Sommers. Trigger warnings are completely crazy. Glad you are pointing this out.
Almost every person makes some bad experiences, some worse than others. I personally believe in the "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" idea. When you get hurt but deal with it you'll grow and you'll know how to prevent these things, how to deal with it or similar situations in the future. But if people always avoid everything that could maybe hurt their poor little feelings they will become so sensitive that they're going to break down at the slightest breath of wind.
We shouldn't support that kind of thing. We shouldn't support weakness, we should help people to overcome it.
Thank you for addressing this. Higher education should teach people to allow their opponents to speak and to offer alternate arguments, not shying away from it so people feel "safe". Silencing your opposition is just about the worst thing you can do, and makes it seem as if you're scared to address their argument! Puppies, play-doh, blankets? What are these people, babies? I thought college students were supposed to be transitioning to adulthood, not regressing to infancy!
I agree with most of what she says and I love her calm method of delivering her opinions. I wish I could deliver arguments as fluid and eloquent as she is
For someone who grew up in a place where violence was real because I did things that "a girl shouldn't do," I kinda think trigger warnings for the slightest criticism (which is what's happening in a lot of places in the West) are unjustified. Have safe spaces, yes, but not for this sort of thing. Safe spaces are meant to be for people who have actually gone through the trauma of being physically or mentally abused -- objectively speaking -- that is to say, those who need healing more than others.
And it's kinda insulting to think that the women in the 'new' feminist movement have to degrade themselves to the point of saying "we're just little flowers that are going to shrink away with the slightest little itty bitty thing" when their progenies, the suffragettes, suffered far worse shit.
I think i remember something about "Flags of our fathers" and the other similar series actually triggered horrific memories in WW2 vets. So maybe they have their place if a problem actually is discovered, and direct it at that specific group?
You have vocalized my thoughts exactly. College has always been a hotbed for change, hence the success. It is also a place where the exchange of ideas is paramount to it's success. College is indeed intended to prepare students to deal with the real world and it's challenges. As all of us who having been living in the real world know, reality doesn't come with these things. What happens when these kids hit the real world, completely unprepared for it?
your videos are always so refreshing, thank you. I have so much respect for you.
I have PTSD and extreme anxiety, despite what movies show and crazy people preach, I am not a ticking time bomb where a loud noise will trigger a murderous rage. Anxiety and things of that nature are brought on by 90% random thoughts in my head or 10% something stressful happening directly to me may trigger anxiety. It has never happened from anything I've read or watched. Some things hit close to home and I may get more passionate about it, but they don't trigger symptoms EVER.
What is your stance on the MRM particularly avoiceformen?
So many likes for this video!! And yes, virtual applause, too. As a very liberal person who has campaigned very hard for liberal issues, it really, REALLY bothers me to see so many other liberals hide behind "trigger warnings" and other methods that help them avoid having real conversations. I hate trigger warnings and everything they entail, and I normally assume that people who demand the use of trigger warnings are abrasive, bitter people who will be entirely ineffective to the movement.
I've encountered this trigger warning phenomenon and the stance against clapping at the local college I go to. Sadly it's part of the college employees diversity training as well.
You are spot on. You just earned another subscriber. It's refreshing to see some logic and facts as part of feminist discourse.
Holy shit. If I saw a room full of people doing jazz hands id be laughing my ass off each time.
Talk about anxiety when someone bursts out laughing after you made a statement.
I mean it literally when I say that the description of the safe room sounded exactly like that of a nursery.
Great video. I couldn't agree more. And besides, what happens if someone could be triggered by feminist jazz hands? The world is not one giant safe space, and if you try to turn it into one, you won't survive.
My only guess to the choosing of jazz hands over clapping is that jazz hands can only be acknowledged by looking at them. If you don't want to see the jazz hands, or lack there of, you don't have to. With clapping, you can tell from the noises how responsive the audience was, and it can be a qualitative experience that you cannot look away from. You can tell from an audience's clapping, and potential hooting and hollering, how receptive the audience was. Wanting to avoid this experience that forces judgement shows how unprepared these people are to be speaking publicly, and likely reflects how receptive the audiences have been. Being afraid to face judgement, and standing up for what is right only when it doesn't hurt you, may ultimately what breaks these people.
The irony is that all this neuroticism makes me deeply uncomfortable. I saw a video of someone at Occupy Wallstreet telling the audience they had to twinkle their fingers instead of clapping. But that's like telling people to boogie into the lecture theatre instead of striding in.... The thing is, you know if you don't follow suit you'll be shamed and verbally pissed on. Where is the safe space from that?
Hi AEI, generally a big fan of your work, in that I agree we should look up facts, not get carried away with ourselves and be clear about the real vs imaginary problems. Plenty of real ones, none of them helped by the imaginary.
On that note this discussion of "Feminist Jazz Hands" I recall something similar people used to do in the 90's especially in Europe. There wasn't anything especially feminist about it but it was an alternative to clapping at gatherings, especially political ones. Can't remember what they called it...mooning or something like that. Can you look into the origins of this as I don't think this is a case of "Look what those crazy feminists have made up now" all be it that it has drifted now in that direction.
This is my first video of the factual feminist and oh my god. If all forms of feminism held this level of analysis, depth and actual facts, more people would actual see feminism as good rather than a hate group. It's good to see this level of logic behind feminism.
I'm a history student at the University of Toronto and I have what's called complex PTSD. Thank you for this video, I couldn't agree more! I find the idea of safe space and trigger warning to be demeaning and humiliating because they say to me that I can't regulate my own emotions and that I will always be psychologically disabled. I brought my concerns to "accessibility services" formerly "disability services" the office that's pushing for these things. The official heard me out and dismissed me in bored a bureaucratic manner but a female student who overheard my concerns stopped me at the elevator to tell that my "White-male-privilege" means my traumatic experiences are easier work through and harmed me less and were simply not as important as those of "oppressed" people such women and that I was patronizing all the "true" survivors of trauma by complaining about how safe spaces are infantilizing. The tirade ended with, "Check your privilege and educate yourself in respect!" This young woman had no idea who I was or what I have gone through and she presumed to demean my struggles. Unfortunately after five years at UofT she was just echoing the campus's zeitgeist. I feel like the last sane person on earth when I'm on campus and this combined with the dwindling intellectual freedom in universities seems just more reason not to pursue academia after I graduate. It's a sad state of affairs...
I love this quote found at 4:08: "I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs." You're at a debate. That's kind of the definition. You're at a college. They like to challenge what you think you know about the world, and expose you to a variety of viewpoints. That's kind of their job. If your beliefs are held that closely then it should be easy to shrug off their opinion. Unless, of course, you realize that their opinion makes a heck of a lot more sense than yours, which is probably the case here. The mere fact that this person thinks she needs to be protected from differences of opinion shows just how insane this has all become.
As someone who physically passes out in discussions of certain subjects, I think trigger warnings are counterproductive because A. you are responsible for your own anxieties, you cant push that responsibility on other people, especially professors and B. avoiding 'triggering' situations will make you more anxious in the long run.
Trigger Warnings are a nice, quick way of judging if a person is worth talking to. If they need safety nets for a mere word, it speaks volumes about their life approach.
"Jazz hands" (aka up twinkles). Can we use down twinkles, too? Or would that be triggering?
Seriously, when did "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me" stop being both applicable and taught widely?
A ravenous, "triggering" applause to your wise words! I agree completely, we should stop behaving and treating people like children.
...Jazz hands would definitely trigger my anxiety more than clapping. While it's true that a room filled with noise typically causes me some issue, it's something I've grown accustom to. But if everyone suddenly raised their hands, and started shaking their hands around? I feel like all the sudden movement, with lack of sound would mess with me.