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People white knighting for a company that treats them like trash is crazy to me.
Stockholm syndrome.
people think companies like EA are bad meanwhile nintendo used to take down streamers and youtubers for playing their own game 💀
Stockholm syndrom
Or battered wife syndrom
I wish they at least made their own designs, half of them are just slightly altered Pokemon or a fusion of two Pokemon
nintendo is literally the
thing vs thing (japan)
meme
if nintendo wasn't a japanese company with OH SO MUCH HISTORY nobody would give a shit and would treat them like activision blizzard
Saying Palworld is promoting animal cruelty reminds me when boomer parents and PETA made the same arguments back when Pokemon first became popular, except now it's being done by game journos.
I mean to be fair I could actually see them actually having an argument. Is it silly? Of course. But you also CAN participate in human trafficking within this game.
Yeah, you're right. It's a weak argument. Some of these people use pets for their mental health. That's not what animals are here for.
@@tsb4 and you can mass kill in tone of games lol so what?
You can also capture and enslave humans and mate them with animals. If they're gonna go after it, they could at least go for the "worst" parts of the game 😂
@@tsb4 Can do the same thing in Rimworld, and worse even. Yet no one says anything about that game. Their really is no argument.
the fact that the Pokémon mod for Palworld got DMCAd but not Palworld itself should already say enough about Nintendo's stance on Palworld's existance.
And probably because the modder paywalled the mod behind a Patreon sub
@@juancarlosfernandezperez6843 not to mention they were just stealing the models from Pokemon S/V
Actually the pokemon company is going to launch an investigation against the "stolen assets" accusation
@@juancarlosfernandezperez6843 uh no, Nintendo just goes really REALLY hard against things that actually violate their copyrights, see Pixelmon, Pokemon Uranium, the Metroid 2 remake, the Mario NFT Game. . . you'll notice the moment any of these caught the public eye they got DMCA'd and taken down- the guy who used to be in charge of Nintendo legal straight up said they were DMCAing "several infringing projects each day at a minimum"
"so how is Palworld different?" I hear you ask, easy- the same way Digimon, Megami Tensei, Persona, and Ni no kuni can get away with being monster catching and battling games- Nintendo doesn't actually own the concept- they just own the licence to "pokemon" the brand, and "pokemon" the monster designs.
@@crazyabe4571 all of your examples are infringing onto their IP directly. So It's super cookie cutter to just emit a cease and desist.
In this case, they have to identify precisely what pals they consider to close to being copied and anotate everything individually in a document because they absolutely cannot emit a complete cease and desist order because the game itself is not something GameFreaks own.
That's the thing if something legal happens, they can't say "cease all operation until trial is done" because depending on the verdict, they would have to reimburse the estimated losses and GameFreaks would have to pay them.
Also, yes they don't own "monster based" games. But why did everyone compared it to Pokemon and not Digimon or YuGiOh or Dragon Quest... because the concept is similar, the designs are similar, the art style is similar. That's why it's problematic.
Can we all say, regardless of Palworld, all of Pocket Pair games have very dubious art direction? To me the most disgusting one is the Hollow Knight one.
Update: the guy that was working on the Pokemon mod for Palworld was claiming it was going to be a paid mod and soon after Nintendo's lawyers shut him down ☠
The part where he thought he could use it as a pay to play mod, ignored copyright laws, thought he could get ez money lol
I think he's just using that method to spite the dev.
Weird. It's almost like we're all thirsty for a game that isn't a triple A, $70 ticket to the microtransaction shop.
Like bg3, spiderman 2, re4r, alan wake 2, gow r, elden ring, plenty of those games exist
@@rewpertcone8243 you listed 5 AAA games and BG3
@@rewpertcone8243not really each of the games you mentioned have a specific theme. Elden ring is a rpg that’s dark souls like, bg3 is a rpg that’s turn based, alien wake is not a mainstream game at all and isn’t a large title that everyone cares about, Spider-Man2 is on ps5 only and is quite literally a button bashing game.
Also all the games you mentioned are in large part a single player game. Sure you can coop in BG3 but majority of people don’t, and Elden ring is only coop in so areas and pvp if you choose to.
@zombiejelly4111 okay, you want co-op, monster hunter world. Your negativity is what's making gaming lame for you, not the games
@zombiejelly4111 also why is a game being non mainstream a bad thing, do you only want "wider audience" garbage games like ac valhalla and far cry 6?
Bro thinks he's ludwig
Ludwig died
Who’s Ludwig?
yeah, he even got the same haircut 💀
The nerve of some people. Can't believe Ludwig's not confronting his impostor 😮💨
So fr (this is a thoughtful and substantial comment)
It's worth mentioning as far as the AI stuff goes, that the announcement trailer for Palword was released in June 2021, over a year before Midjourney and Stable Diffusion were released, AND it showcased a fairly large number of Pal designs that are largely unchanged in the game we have today. So if AI was used in the Pal designs, it could only have been on a few of them and it would have to have been done pretty late in the development cycle. Even then, going from a single 2D image to a 3D design in a game takes quite a bit of human work.
there is generative 3d ai, but the models it makes are basically unusable for anything that moves
i mean using ai as reference is not bad tho
@@comet.xbasically unusable at all, honestly. Maybe one day but that day is not today. It also takes immense amounts of time and power to generate. Fuck, generating 6 seconds of video requires 40 gigs of vram...
On top of that steam requires you to state if generative AI was used in the creation of the game, verifies it and states it in the game page if it was indeed used. So yeah, doesn't look like it
Not to mention that Steam has a no AI policy regarding to the publish of your games which requires full transparency on behalf of the team behind the games on what they contain
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Pokémon card dealers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Pokemon card/plushie collecter here, i dont care for the games, i just like pokemon (the monsters) designs only, so I'm most happy that gamefreak is getting rivaled, It will probably make them realise they cant sit around and make games the quality they are having.
Palworlds success might also mean Palworld plushies (If it gets big enough)
so i can finally make a Piplup and Pengullet fight each other to the death
its hilarious that pokemon has the mildest competitor for once and everyone pretends the world is ending
Not everyone, just Twitter users and we know that Twitter users have never even seen a single blade of grass.
@@MartinWasTaken an obvious over exeggeration i agree lets say the vocal nintendo simps who buy the same thing over and over again and loving it is that better ^^?
As long as they're stealing nintendo fans, good enough for me despite how bad the design of Palworld is. Fuck Nintendo.
The fact that people feel the need to defend a company like Nintendo is hilarious.
@@damsen978only people I've seen mad at this game are nintendo fanboys. I think that many hardcore nintendo pokemon fans don't want to admit this is an upgrade
I think the best thing you said during this is that if nintendo really found any sort of fault they would be so quick to take action
They really take the guy down who made the pokemon mod but not palworld itself
If this is an issue, then all souls-like are essentially an issue too. The designs of the pals or "pokemon" are dissimilar enough that it's clear there is inspiration, but clear that they are their own designs too.
The mechanics have similarities conceptually and practically, but there are against dissimilarities enough that it is clear it is different.
If copy-right is at the level where we can't have fun stuff like this that clearly is not a clone, but heavily inspired / derivative work of others, with its own twists and original design, then copy-right has to go entirely.
I, for one, welcome competition to pokémon, and hope that similar games can and will crop up in this and other genres doing similar things.
@NukeCloudstalker I truly do acknowledge, & I see what you've stated to be a greater push, in creativity & to value differences in artistic styles and inspirational direction.
I also do think and would have others consider, that Pokemon needs more competition in this sort of stylized art direction going forward, just as Digimon had at one point, given them a run for their money so to speak.
We have to be more open minded to different ideas of different games, and styles that may take inspiration from other games, & that is what I would say, is a problem with the Pokémon fanatics, is that they MOSTLY just play Pokémon or JRPGs that have been around long before Palworld as well, then jumping back on the bandwagon, to defend Pokémon at its every beckon call for anything.
In short: people need to stop praising & buying into Pokémon games, because it also created a form of delusional realities as well for many, not playing ANY other games other than Pokémon, which is a psychological issue as well, is what I would state or would like to point out.
It is like the joke video that was going around, stating this: "just buy said product, for the sake of said product, and be happy no matter what.".
Which, I completely DISAGREE with, to be completely, & fully honest with you.
People NEED to stop being fans of said franchises, & to STOP praising gaming companies like they do, because they also become engulfed by it like a bunch of cultists, & then we eventually have a much BIGGER problem on our hands, eventually leading towards things like i.e. Generational Pokémon lovers, as well with National Dex Criticizers versus Modern Pokémon Fans for differences to be examined as well.
yes because that has actual pokemon stuff@@tenkuken7168
Nintendo is probably already gathering evidence and getting ready for a lawsuit. The thing is both companies are located in Japan, and the Japanese lawsystem is a little bit different. So before they raise a case, they will probably have a 99,9% chance of winning the lawsuit before they bring it to court. I think another possible lawsuit could be damage to their trademark, as graphic violence associated with Pokemon could be argued to injure their reputation with families in particular, and that is one of their primary demographics.
Bro thinks a ferret is called a furret IRL
have you heard lud pronounce valorant
It’s one letter off give him a break lmao
I mean, good for these devs. Didn't re-invent the wheel, just improved it. Massive kudos.
They combined like 4 wheels though.
@@Doopyyz 4 wheels make a car, has proven to be quite successful
They didn’t really redesign anything the game play is just Ark without the Dinosaurs and they just added some ripped off Pokémon bases.
@@Amieeappleno I don’t think you realize how long it takes to make a polished game just because the concept is similar doesn’t mean it has to do with the game at all most studios don’t care and make their own float on the game.
@@Amieeapple Tell me you've never played the game without telling me you never played the game.
Sitting on the pokemon ip for 25 years and doing absolutely nothing is a crime in itself.
Pokemons competitive scene would go wild if they made their own pokemon showdown
Legends Arceus is the only innovation I have seen in a long time and it wasn't itself a fully refined experience. New Pokemon games can be described - "Same formula recycled again and again to be shit."
When BW2 is over 10 years old now and is still the best pokemon game...There is a reason why Nintendo is a joke.
@@WriggleNightbug yep, havent bought a switch either and not going too. Id rather pirate the games if so - Honestly tried an emulated BW2 rom hack some time ago and it worked fine.
but you got pokemon go, one of the games of all time
Palworld is a better parody of pokemon than the Peta ones. Fun fact you can catch humans in the game.
Theres nothing in the description mentioning it to be a parody at all though. If that was the case i dont think any pokémon fanboys wouldnt enjoy this game either(i mean, look at snakewood lmao)
I mean team rocket would snatch up humans. Idea isn’t too far fetched. They’d torture our bro ash all the damn time.
do they also have breeding mechanics?
@@duskpede5146 they do you can breed to gain different passives and pals
Catching human is Chad move. No bar hold, and make you think.
As a 3d guy, the most we could use AI for is concepting, which is the 3d equivalent of writing your name down at the start of an essay. You still have to do all the hard work yourself since 3d AI tools aren't good enough for production purposes yet. And as an amateur coder, AI code is neat for jogging your memory when you forget how to do a particular thing, or for quickly writing repetitive code, or debugging/reviewing your already written code to check for inefficiencies/errors, but it can't write an entire game's worth of code.
Yeah. People give AI too much credit. It is an efficient all purpose tool... but nothing more than that. one tool of many, it cannot do any job alone. Jack of all trades master of none, and all that.
The ai is about concept art, not 3d models
@@IdiotamSpielenwouldn't even say jack of all Trades
Rather "jack of several trades"
you can definitely make 3d models with ai, and if they aren't good enough they can certainly generate a very well drawn 2d image. not that i care, i'm loving the game so far so i don't really care if the models are generally somewhat worse than a modern pokemon game, it's straight up more fun. i'm currently building a pokeball factory.
Ai is so good for code dude. You no longer have to do a lot of the busywork. I have it build classes and functions and then i tweak it. It’s a lot more than just writing your name at the start of an essay, it’s more like the entire first draft.
As a massive Pokémon fan for 7+ years I’m glad that something else is rivaling Pokémon, it’s good to see something fresh, different and new that people enjoy
Its not tho. Its a low quality ark ripoff with no proper gameplay and an insane amount of bugs
@@cooltwittertagthe 1 million active players would argue otherwise
@@HappySmile153 so by your logic the best game ever made is pubg?
@@HappySmile153 and also by that same logic because it gets played a lot, pubg is also a pokemon competitor?
@@HappySmile153 popularity doesnt equal quality. Just because people have fun playing it doesnt mean it can rival pokemon especially at this state
This is an example of why support for indie is a good thing. Pokémon and Palworld are supposed to be for fun which is something *MANY* of these corporations have discarded.
"indie" game with 1000 million yen budget heavily partnered with Microsoft, sure.
@@GhostGK21reading comprehension is at an all time low
His point is somewhat valid but Pocket Pair is in fact an independent company.
Also, why say 1000 million when it's the same as saying billion.
Okay. I’m still enjoying Tears of the Kingdom
@@BrandonWestfall From cambridge dictionary: "a small company, especially a music, film, or television company, or a small shop or other business that is not owned by a larger company:"
I guess size might be relative, but it still is a sizable company with probably a few dozens of employees, so I don't think they fit the "small" part too well.
I’m glad people are ripping off Pokémon. The Pokémon formula is awesome, the Pokémon games are embarrassing when you consider it’s the biggest entertainment franchise in the world. Competition breeds innovation, hopefully this makes Nintendo/Game Freak realise they don’t have a monopoly on this kind of game anymore and they actually put some more time and money into their games.
This is literally the greatest take I've ever seen
Pokemon true potential is in fangames and romhacks.
this! nintendo's singular worst characteristic is their ip abuse. imagine people defending ea over game-ruining microtransactions. i don't care if it's straight plagarism, emulation, or a mere reference to their material, all of it should be fine.
okay but pokemon has had competition since its conception and people have dogged them all for being clones (digimon for example) but now that something that literally looks like someone took two pokemon and merged them to call them pals, people are over the moon.
it doesnt make sense to me tbh. I'm loving Palworlds and i've loved other games inspired by pokemon, I just dont understand what the sudden shift is all about.
No one dogged digimon for being a knock off they dogged it for being hot garbage lmao @@SpaghettiBrainX
The thing about palworld is yes there are a lot of similarities that you can draw that connects it to pokemon. However, I would strongly argue that the game is a survival/base building game first and foremost. It's not just collecting pals and having them battle and leveling them up like you do in pokemon. There's a huge survival aspect to the game that vastly sets it apart from pokemon. I think this is probably why they haven't gotten any flack from Nintendo as of yet.
Yeah the gameplay is completly different, pokemon is all about those action packed exciting turn based combats with ps2 models
If you were to compare, it’s more related at Ark/Digimon than to Pokémon
@@LimyDevotee not to mention ark has an animal/dino capture system using cryo balls. you throw em and capture em and carry em with you.
This is what I've been thinking this whole time, well put.
I just wish the designs weren't so lazy. If you've played pokemon then you can see Gengar's smile to a T on one Pal and Sobble's dorsal fin on another. One looks exactly like Decidueye, just without his cloak. I've heard the BOTW temperature gauge is just tacked on top of the game too. I feel bad for the TemTem devs now cause that game had designs that were almost entirely unique by comparison.
I also wish monster collectors/pokemon fan games would stop with trying to be edgy. You can have a mature game that doesn't pull its punches without having slavery mechanics and guns slapped on top of a game.
The thing is that it isn't remotely a pokemon clone, it's an ARK clone, with pokeballs instead of taming.
It’s different because you can raid people and capture humans, then force those humans to do forced labor along with your Pals. I don’t think you force your dinos to work in Ark, nor can you use one as a flamethrower nor as ammunition for a rocket launcher. It’s not an ARK clone, it’s a game with a different take on many different genres, some I’d say were improved.
Btw this has NEVER been marketed as “pokemon with guns” this is literally just what everyone’s been calling it, not the devs.
Edit: yo chat type “1” in The thread if I should delete this comment
cry about it
It was marketed as pokemon with guns 2-3 years before release, saw it on Tik Tok everywhere. They specifically campaigned it across Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, etc. They knew what they were doing, but 11/10 game
The founder even mentioned 'because americans like guns' in a JPTV interview
@@weeb_french_turkish_hater Someone: Makes a perfectly ordinary comment
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@@HappilyMundanelol.
Proof that Gamefreak would sell a lot more Pokemon games if they put more work into it
Yooo I always see you in my shorts feed.
I mean, the proofs actually the opposite. Sword and shield is at number one(my absolute least favorite game in the franchise, what a bad story) while gen 5(one of the best stories and generations) sold the least.
Yknow?
Your vids are amazing!
@@cakeeyplayz So you're sitting there with a straight face saying that good games don't sell.
Ok. Lmao. Best of luck to you in real life... I have a feeling you'll need it.
Not at all. Do you know how much do the Pokemon games sell? Even the latest ones that are absolute garbage. It's the exact opposite, they sell extraordinarily well with minimal effort
The Galarian meowth one made me think more of Cheshire Cat than Pokémon
sammeee lol
yeah, the problem isn't really in the form of the pokemon but more the fact that its face is a copy paste from Galarian Meowth
@Karlyr_ this has already been proven wrong and the guy on Twitter who started the lie about ripped models, said he did it just because he didn't like the animal cruelty in the game
@@anthonyjoy9719 it's still a copy and paste... the teeth are exactly the same and the eyes have the pupils removed and that's it.
And that's without talking about the paraglider still having the hyrule logo on it (Craftopia). And the Hollow Knight ripoff... You can obviously see that their way to dev a game is to ripoff as much as they can and then complete the game with what they can't ripoff...
Both the Cheshire Cat and the Cat Bus from Totoro look closer to Grintale, and these morons use the MEOWTH to claim it's a rip off. Literally just reaching for excuses to be mad.
Just as some additional context that I think is important, the person who posted the model overlaps featured at 3:23 has admitted to adjusting the models so they overlap better, and all his statements should be read before you take this as facts.
He should have said this
He scaled it bigger, he didn't change the geometry
@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ True, which he said in his statements, which everyone should read before making any judgements
also, the one dude who said it is almost impossible to have similar proportions has never 3d modeled from an image before because yeah if multiple people plug in the same image they will get similar proportions
I feel like a lot of people need to be reminded that you can be critical of palworld AND Pokémon at the same time
Edit: just a reminder, angrily arguing with someone is absolutely pointless since neither of you will change your opinion
THIS, I hate that when I say I hate palworld people immediately think I love pokemon, I don’t like both.Pokemon cause they’ve been the same since the 90’s. And palworld cause the ceo is super into OpenAi and NFT’s and I don’t want to support that.
This I hate pokemon and palworld. The devs whole business model is just ripping off other peoples hard work and ideas including Hollowknight aka their game Never Grave and Overdungeon aka Slay the spire. I don't want to support that I want to support games that actually try to be different from each other.
Absolutely I do not understand why people act like those two things are mutually exclusive
@@brainlesscactus3184 Because they can't take critics of their new favourite game which ironically turns them into the fanboys they make fun of but just for Palworld instead of Pokémon.
if your taste of games is dependent on what the ceo of a company follows then what game can you even play in the modern market that arent like small indies and one man run studios?@@mortal_talos1196
The only shocking thing is the quality of the game. Every single person I knew was watching it for the last 2 years just assuming it was an asset flip cash grab, but its a blast and has a lot of good ideas. Fun game is fun.
Yeah I really dont care if its all AI made or whatnot, if it is fun I will play it.
its especially surprising considering what the company has done to craftopia (a previous early access game)
My thoughts exactly. I've been playing Craftopia from it's release day, and while i've had my fun it certainly wasn't anything unique or special, nor was it an all around great game. Ever since Palworld got announced i've been waiting for it, I could tell from the first teasers they had a solid direction they wanted to take it. I'd say i'm a fan of the studio, and they certainly stepped everything up with Palworld. Very refreshing to see the quality upgrade.@@ScootyD
@@ScootyDtheyre different teams
Honestly I was always hoping it would turn out well, I think introducing things like butchering and humans being able to be captured allows for some really interesting story ideas. Imagine a band of criminals invading your hometown and capturing all of the people you love for slavery, like Vikings or something
ALSO this game was announced like 3-4 years ago, and that was with a basic game engine trailer which means that they worked on it a long time beforehand as well. Years before ai was even a thing
GameFreak, take notes. THIS is how you make a good game.
AI was already a thing years ago, your last sentence does not make since. AI was not created in 2023 lol.
@@PandaFan2443Stuff like stable diffusion was, so ai making full models or well-made images wasn’t a possibility back then
@@CaptainEffortai 3d models still aren't a thing, but using images as a base you could get decent results a few years ago already, and it's not like that couldn't have made more pals while developing the game, small game studio don't always completely separate pre production and development
@@neolordiestop reaching so far in ur ass
As a game developer I can assure you that all of your favorite companies already use AI for pretty much everything they can as long as it makes the workflow more efficient, they do however also use actual human workers to then modify polish and “humanize” those AI creations
That sucks
@@lesterantenor1026 why does that suck?? if it makes work for developers easier then who tf cares
@@lesterantenor1026 So you say, on a piece of tech created exclusively to make communication easier. Checkmate xD
@@lesterantenor1026you want more crunch? you want game with inflated budget?you want more game with 10 year development? you should embrace future from now
@@omegafyzentra1779 IKR, with their high profits they can now hire more 'REAL WORKERS' to continue development. 3 games come to mind that has this situation, lethal Company, Battle Bit, and Palworld. All games took hours from me compared to other AAA games I've played.
The modded pikachu mining with a pickaxe will never not be funny to me
tf even is this game bruh lol
@@highdefinition450slavery the game
mah pikka
Duality of people on twitter, people will white knight for Nintendo, then hate on them for making a decision that makes them more money.
no one is white knighting nintendo. people are just angry because the pals look like stolen assets and for a game like that to be successful sets a bad precedent for what games consumers will buy
not the internet entirely but people on twitter, they are idiots
tech geeks 10 years ago : "truck drivers and cashiers should learn how to code. their jobs will be automated and they need to get with the times"
tech geeks today : "AI is automating our jobs. we need to stand against it and make sure it doesnt become a standard"
How come I keep seeing people mention “white knighting” but haven’t actually seen anyone doing it? Sure, people are being critical of PalWorld, but that doesn’t automatically mean they are also defending Nintendo. The lack of nuance among this PalWorld discourse is embarrassing.
@@SpaghettiBrainX bad precendent because you want every game concept or every style of character or even every shape of character to be closed source 🤣🤣. Why not make everything open source so I could create whatever the fuck I want and be succesful without 10.000 designers.
“It’s a lot of people’s personalities”
Well put man. Think that gets at the core of why people are feeling so touchy about this. Sort of reminds me of Genshin/BOTW when Genshin first hit the scene. I empathize with why some might feel upset.
For me, as long as the game still feels like it has its own identity and is actually well made then I don’t really care. Genshin is fun and I like it. Haven’t played Palworld yet but imagine I’ll feel similarly
Edit: just finished watching the video and Lud mentions Genshin/BOTW. Great minds lol
Guilty until proven innocent with the terminally online.
Farfetch'd carries a leek because he wants revenge because humans cook them with leeks and almost drove them to extinction.
People complaining that you can eat Pals know nothing about Pokemon.
Yeah what do they think the Tauros are hanging out at a ranch for? They're not being milked..
Bros were legit eating slowpoke tails they def eat Pokemon
There's a massive list of Pokémon that are/were hunted as food, in all forms of its media. Corphish is even noted as *not* being hunted for its meaty claws due to it tasting horrible.
Even in the first season of the show, Ash and Brock were considering eating a Magikarp (complete with imagining how it would look served). Misty, meanwhile? Only cared as much to say those were nothing but scale and bones.
The people who complain about being able to eat a fictional creature then eat real creatures in real life are the ones that irk me the most.
Slowpoke tail and Pokemon Curry. Need I say more?
It should also be noted that the game has been in development for about 3 years and they were very open about what they were making. If Nintendo thought they had a case they would have sued long before the game released and the fact that people are only now complaining about copyright infringement (instead of pre release when most of these pals were already shown) tells me they're more mad that the game is actually good rather than the game "copying" Pokémon. Had this game just been some shitty meme game it likely wouldn't receive as much hate because it wouldn't be threatening Pokémon's status.
Although I agree with you, the game doesn't really threaten Pokémon status at all. Yeah it is really fun, I've sunked 30 hours into it already and yeah it is pretty popular right now, selling like crazy. But comparing it to the giant Pokémon franchise and Nintendo is seems like a stretch to me. I doubt it will lead to any improvements to gameplay, because the games will still sell. It's sad that the only innovative Pokémon game we got was PLA with all of it's flaws
They spend 6.7 million dollar on budget
@@y_samu and? that's kids play compared to some movie budgets or games. Didn't Spiderman 2 have like 300 millions budget? that's like 500% increase.
Uhh, you're factually incorrect about them 'only complaining now', there was a lot of that on the first trailer
@@caiman6555 They've sold 6 million copies in 4 days, the newest Pokémon game sold 24 million and it's been out for over a year. Will it overtake Pokémon? Probably not, but it's absolutely a competitor at this point.
AAA companies are salty like when Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate were released.
I really hope they get sued and forced to change the copied designs, because the game has really strong original designs and I really wish it had more. The harsh truth is the team has no artistic integrity, because they chose to create "grass cinderace" and "electric totoro" with edited existing models when they are clearly capable of designing creatures themselves! I played this game on Xbox game pass and I am REALLY enjoying it, in case some wanna use the hater argument.
For years, CEOs have asked artist teams to rip-off other games, and it's always been up to the artists to put their foot down and make their own twist of things others have done. This is a different case entirely, and the fact that you can immediately tell "botw" or "hollow knight" when you look at ONE SCREENSHOT tells you everything you need to know.
Once again I'd like to point out that Nintendo DOESN'T own Pokemon. They are 1 of 3 companies that are split owners of The Pokemon Company. They cannot file suit on behalf of a franchise that they have 1/3 stake in.
Nintendo, Game Freak, and TPC itself?
Creatures inc. Marketing and some stuff more. @@chantolove
@@chantolove Creatures Inc. is the third one, they handle the Trading Card Game, various Merch, and the 3d Models for the Pokemon
@@chantolove the third company is called creatures.
No one cares
Pokemon fanboys can complain all they want but the fact is that Palworld is popular only because Gamefreak refuses to do any actual evolution and gamers want more than the barebones pokemon formula that's been the same for almost a decade now
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaamaking it so u can give Pokémon guns and beat the shit out of your mons is tho
you don't deserve your username. Blasphemy. I don't claim you@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa You miss the point. Good job. This is a new and much different experience and while not polished visually it has great systems and gameplay. Hence the great performance financially. Also being a survival game isn't innovative, but it's different from the stagnation Gamefreak and others have tried. It's good they'll have some competition. I haven't played a Pokemon game in years for good reason. This is a blast.
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaaThere are just additions to over which is literally just the bare minimum. When people say they want changes they main changes to the formula that’s been milked for newly 30 years now. A good example to me would be the Yakuza games changing their combat system from free flow combat to a semi-turn based combat system.
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa okay, but the most interesting of those mechanics was mega evolution, and everything following that has essentially been a shitty recreation of something that was universally thought to be decent. besides from my experience at least palworld doesn't run like a slideshow and actually has polish.
"black and white, black and white 2 are the greatest pokemon games ever made" you're such a real one for that Ludwig, respect
As an artist myself who is not on board with AI usage, I still think Palworld is excellent to have regardless. I bought into the sunk-cost fallacy of being a pokemon fan until the disaster that was Scarlet and Violet, blindly getting every game just because "it is Pokemon and I have to". Gamefreak needs a firm reality check, and I hope Palworld can accomplish that.
Why are you against AI usage?
@@dennisonthachil Because companies will be willing to take advantage of consumer bases who do not care if a product is made by human or AI, as it is cheaper to use than to pay people. In time, many creatives may lose their jobs to it.
@@BleddynsStudio I think palworlds is a good game tho? So if AI was used that just means AI can be used to make good games. If AI makes fun games il play it, if humans make fun fin games il play it. Personally I'm all down for AI, if it means we get good games
@@BleddynsStudiocrazy ive seen 3 irl ai ads be used on posters, like very big ads aswell
So you're an artist who's fine with the developers literally ripping assets from games and just changing 3 little things to use it for their games? You are aware that the developers have already copied Legend of Zelda BOTW and Silksong? Or how about the fact they made a whole game about generating AI images? "Artist" yeah for sure
Animals like Pokémon, Environment and sounds like Breath of the Wild, Combat like Dark Souls. As someone in the creative industry, I can say with confidence that all “originality” is just a mashup of inspiration from existing things. The fact is that, while they may look and sound very similar, they are still fleshed out in their own way. If you take any time to play the game it becomes obvious that there is too much effort and polish to label it as some scam game with stolen assets. The numbers speak for themselves.
Also the amount of times we've seen ambitious games that take a ton of inspiration and features from a bunch of other titles and generas, biting off way more than they could chew and flopping...
Palworld combined Breath of Wild & Pokemon visuals and gameplay, with Arc survival mechanics & factorio-esc harvesting/bases, eldenring like open worlds and combat... but with guns... and they've absolutely pulled it off. That is a god damn feat right there.
Combat its like dark souls lmao 😂
Its close to skyrim but you modded it with a dedicated roll button 😂
Plus (though I haven’t played it myself YET) it’s fun…and for the most part that SHOULD be the number one goal of a game, idc if it’s similar to other things or has taken inspiration from something or even copied it. If it’s fun it’s fun
Yeah this game runs better then every other AAA game that came out in 2023
There is an entire debate in Philosophy that all creative works are derivative once you start to look deep enough. Because actively or not everything you see influences your decisions, so even if you don't mean to it's basically impossible not to take at the very least some minor inspiration from the things you've seen.
"Huge drama" = 100 people on twitter posting non-sense
so petty
to be fair, each of those people probably posted 100 tweets each, so that's 10k tweets
wrong : 100 people posting non-sense and their bots liking and spamming the same comments to make it look a huge deal.
i dont care about this game, my computer prob cannot handle it, but i will buy it just to pissoff twitter weirdos.
idk if you're going at lud.. if so you're so fucking wrong, you're either living under a rock or just want to be annoying... every freaking twitch chat i've been to of a streamer playing the game... every freaking comment under someone mentioning the game...
and not only that, look at the engagement on some of the posts LUD SHOWED IN THE VIDEO... 10k likes, millions of views...
lud has spoken against overblown "drama" before, this isn't one of them
@@____trazluz____9804Imagine you actually start liking it lmao
There are some clowns on CZcams as well buying into it as well. Someone had several videos about how much fun they were having, and then suddenly took them all down, and put up a post about how he was "morally obligated" to not support this dev, because they'd used AI in their previous games, and it was scummy, and Palworld is a scam. Basically parroting all the outrage he, in his own words, did "cursory research" on.
Pokemon peaked at Crystal.
W
Black and White was Peak, everything after that was downhill. Can’t wait until the Unova remakes.
8:15 as someone who played craftopia, it was NOT breath of the wild lmao. it was more of an automation sim with botw movement mechanics and farming, with good combat and survival. Basically a mishmash of features people liked in recent games.
The entire studio philosophy to me seems like, “we like these elements from these games and we think they would be cool together.” It’s kind of wholesome. Because I’d make games that way, I’m not going to reinvent the wheel. I’d take things I like and think would work together for a fun game. Being original is virtually impossible as most everything has been done.
god this kind of "drama" makes me want to completely unplug from the gaming community online. camp a hates thing, so camp b decides they actually love it and it's just smaller culture wars
lol true. There’s one group who will love anything that others hate, and there’s one group who will find anything to hate on for any reason. Then the reasonable people are all drowned out.
Fucking thank you! All of this just has me scratching my head like: who gives a shit? Play what you like and you find enjoyable.
There is hardly any actual "drama" anywhere anymore. Most of it is just nothing burgers made by nobodies that want attention and clout.
For some reason people keep giving them the time of day to make them undeservedly relevant
It's the other way around. I'm not super into the game but nobody is playing palworld because of "counterculture" nonsense, people loved the game and then the hate followed. I've seen so many people playing it since launch and giving super high reviews of it-- and like any popular game, some people have to follow that up with dislike for views or w.e other senses they want to feed.
@@sere971 really wish it was obvious where the hate crawled out of, because so far literally every supposed reason the haters have to hate this game, ie that it's "stealing assets, using AI, etc" are false claims, the people who say they hate it because it promotes animal cruelty have literally never touched a game in their lives, including palworld, and the ones that say they hate it because it's not fun are insane and therefore all their opinions are invalid
It's a safe bet that IF Nintendo has even a flimsy case they'll sue.
What they gonna do tho? Same bs as rockstar with another company for having a R in the logo despite not being the same logo? lmao
The lawsuit itself doesn't matter to Nintendo. They just want to completely financially ruin all competition with legal fees before they get a chance to compete.
no worries, if they are succesful, by 2077 we might get a tiny version of pokemon that resembles this
Nintendo copyright struck the pokemon modpack for palworld and whoever released it a bit after it was released lol
@@jadtokoh so they’re watching closely alright. Just not taking down the game itself I guess
The byo guy on Twitter admitted to editing the models to make them 1:1 with the Pokémon models all because they were mad about the animal abuse in game.
The one thing I keep hearing about Palworld is it's realistic Pokemon with guns and that's from people that have not played it. It's more fair to explain it as Rust or Ark with a capturing mechanic because at it's heart, it's an open world survival game.
There are like 1,000 pokemon at this point. Creating creatures in a similar art style is almost certainly going to draw some level of comparison to one of the many pokemon designs. Basically, you can't draw an animal in a cartoon/anime style without it having some level of pokemon parallels.
Existing pokemon have also started to look like one another.
Look at Pokemon vs Dragon quest.
Exactly, and either way, they most certainly used Pokemon as reference, but that makes it inspired. It's crazy how a lot of people complaining on Twitter could be shut down with the word inspired yet when you say that they dig up everything in the companies past.
The comparisons are not just "oh yea that's a similar design". Some models look cut and pasted from Pokémon models. There are monster tamer games like Tem tem or coromon, that have unique designs that don't draw the same criticisms.
Except many of the eyes, body shape, mouth, tails, and hands are quite literally ripped from pokemon.
I find some of the comparisons so funny. I saw one that literally just said "They are both clearly based of sheep/rams". Bro got sued by Nintendo 1 to many times and thought they owned every god damn animal.
See the thing is they’ve straight up used ripped models. There are three different Eevees in this game, there is a Serperior with Primarina’s hair on it, and they just straight up put Luxray and Lycanroc and Cinderace in recolored. I don’t think that it should be okay to steal assets.
@@HmmBearGrr I agree 100% They definitely did probably take some of the base assets and changed it slightly so its not 1 to 1. But I find it funny how some people instead of focusing on that are just like "well there are fictional creatures in this game, based off REAL animals?!! Clearly a rip off"
@@HmmBearGrrpoor nintendo 😔😔😭 (womp womp)
@@Puggylord316that's what annoys me so much lol... people who compare stuff that isn't even similar made it harder to actually compare the suspiciously 1 to 1 models
@@HmmBearGrr my suspicion is they asked ai to basically "copy the homework but change it a bit so the teacher doesn't know" xD. all the creatures i saw were straight up mixes of different pokemon, it really felt ai made. i do agree with people who say screw nintendo and that they deserve this for making shity pokemon games and refusing to evolve but the creatures are straight up stolen from pokemon, i'm honestly surprised that they got away with it legally.
The moment i heard Critikal praising it I bought it, and I don't regret it one bit.
I've played for about 3-4 hours so far, and I can honestly say it is the most polished and beautiful early access game I've ever played. Emphasis on early access. It could get better or worse from here, but I am more than happy with what's there for the price tag.
Lud calling ferrets furrets is one of the funniest things I've heard
He's talking about the pokemon
furrets not real animals it is ferret@@S0ulEaTeR1012
everything can be the funniest shit youve heard if youre a fucking dumbass
Seeing nobody knows that the name of the ferret pokemon is Furret is one of the funniest things I've heard.
@@S0ulEaTeR1012 He said "pokemon didn't invent a god damn furret" which was about the real life animal; ferret.
Edit, because I apparently need to say this: This comment was to clarify what the original comment meant. It was a slip up by Ludwig to say "furret" instead, if that was because of being bilingual or because of the pokemon messing him up DOES NOT MATTER.
Is this all that important in the first place? No. But this ONE comment got way more controversial than it should be.
It's easy to slip up, everyone does it. All I did was clarifying where the slip up happened.
As a huge pokemon fan, I dont care. Nintendo is a multi-billion dollar company. Who cares if some of the pals have slightly similar designs to pokemon
Even if some designs are stolen its not blatant enough to care. Hopefully Pokemon can get back on the right track with some competition
As a Pokemon fan, I also don't care. As an artist, I care a LOT. Like a LOT a LOT because of the precedent it sets regarding original ideas and how companies are very critical at one point then not caring another. Being dismissive of it is just ridiculous, because if this were based on any smaller game then it'd be a bigger issue.
@@abaddonarts1129nope. No stolen assets. Pokemon doesn't own humanoid animal creatures. Did you even watch the video you're commenting on?
Fuck Nintendo and fuck Gamefreak, but also fuck plagiarism. I'm perfectly fine with there being competitors to Pokemon, just like there need to be competitors for Smash-- but good competitors embrace the spirit of the original game(s) without just ripping designs. You *CAN* do both.
@@potatocripp what exactly was plagiarized? Did Valorant plagiarize CS GO? You are allowed to take ideas and tweak them, that's how creativity works!
i was called insane on TikTok for having never heard of this
Its manufactured hype
completely inzane
Just waiting for a streamer to play it
@@Saint-hamudi theres a bunch of popular streamers playing it, i just dont watch streams. Its insane how this game is supposedly on par with the biggest launch in steam history, yet no real person i know has really heard of it or played it. But its still breaking all the steam records, very suspicious.
@@cooltwittertag most people did not hear about it till it game out which was not even a week ago. idk how it is very suspicious thats like saying its very suspicious taylor swift was selling out every where because you have never met someone that has gone to her tour the same amount of people went to her shit as people that bought this game
It would not surprise me if a few of Palworld's designs are changed for the final release, be it by Nintendo's request/demand or their own prerogative to avoid legal issues. That said, if there's one thing I love it's seeing a new IP succeed.
I'm just praying that Palworlds massive success inspires gamefreak to actually make a real video game.
Gamefreak has never made a good game though. There are good Pokemon games, good Pokemon movies, Good t.v. episodes, good manga. But Gamefreak is not part of the "good" part of that ecosystem.
I've played a variety of gamefreak games, not just pokemon...and I wanted so badly for any of them to be good. They aren't.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047Pokemon black and white 1 & 2
Lmao, people will buy the games in record numbers no matter what. Have you seen how well the last two main games performed and played, vs how well they sold?
Hahahaha. Nobody will remember Palworld this time next year. It's a fad. Streamers will suck the life out of it. They already are.
The annoyting thing is that people aren't talking about the things this game has done better than some modern triple A titles of recent. They aren't bringing up, how there are 0 Microtransactions or Battle passes. They aren't talking about how there are virtually no bugs, or at the very least no game breaking ones. They aren't talking about how there are litteral triple digit hours of content *out of the box* and it's not from just grinding unlocks, but actual fun game play. They aren't talking about the freedom of choice the player has in both the monster catching and player base building aspects.
But no lets, complain that it looks incredible close to pokemon, people have been asking for a game like this from Gamefreak for *decades*, it finally happens and people wanna bitch and moan. And speaking of pokemon, I aint heard no Monster Rancher or Digimon fans get mad yet XD
On the "no game breaking bugs" thing, I remember reading a lot of reviews about having game breaking bugs, mostly involving save file corruption/deletion. I don't disagree with anything else, though, other than the "triple digit hours of content" point. That's a stretch, from what I've heard.
@@BobSmith-cg2ek yep, theres one huge game breaking bug that erases all your work and load but I havent encountered it yet so im happy atm playing
pokemon fanboys/girls always attack any new released/announced creature game, some less than others but even megami tensei had to take salt from it once or twice. Digimon fanbase isnt as toxic (from my experience) even called out when the game wasnt what as expected(digimon survive) a lot of fans liked that game, but wasnt what it was announced and digimon fans went and called them out on it, Sv wasnt only not was announced but was also unplayable on launch and yet you couldnt complain without trigging the fandom, tbh the deeper you go into the pokemon fandom more simillar to a cult it looks
as a Digimon Fan thats because (at least personally) I can understand, it's possible that there is more than one creature game that is good and further understand that competition drives innovation
cant use party tab because it puts an error message and crashes not to mention lag spikes and outright not working, while i like the game i completely disagree.
my thread was the comparison thread you looked at, thanks for including it in the vid! and yes many are big stretches LOL but it was fun to make, just thought of any possible similarities and compiled them lol. great vid mr mogul
I just like that it's early access in the functional way. The only gripes I've had are visual bugs when loading terrain and a few pals not having their animations finished (i.e. petting/working animations for some larger pals don't make contact with the player/station) and a frankly awful input system that only works well for combat but not the more tedious building. It's no Satisfactory but it could get there soon, and I haven't had a moment where I've thought "I could be doing something else" during my 19 hours so that's pretty good.
Man, people be raging that something is similar in concept to pokemon as if digimon hasn’t existed for like 30 years now.
I thought the “huge pokemon scam” was going to be gameplay from their most recent games 💀
+2
Didnt that blender user on twitter named Byo 3:31 come out to admitting to lying and altering the Palmons to match pokemon?
Yes, but noone can do their own research other than us apparently.
Probably happened after the recording did
Palworld devs are currently being very careful with the game post release deleting any links to pokémon mods for fear of Nintendo and I don't blame them. Nintendo will find any excuse to remove any competition, hacks or redistribution of old games using roms without mercy. I just hope palworld is given a chance because learning that the devs actually taught themselves how to make games and managed something as impressive as this is a feat.
"Pokémon didn't invent a furret." 😂
imagine sending death treats to another human being over some cartoon. American consumerism is truly a cancer.
Thinking that is a solely American problem is hilarious.
@@tehClewno but mostly lol
@@tehClew Not only in america, but in america its not even considered a problem
American cancer? Je suis charlie.
its not consumerism, its tribalism. They've made the decision to be on the "this is not okay" side, and will double even triple down to show their "tribe" that they are big boy that is super serious. Its brain worms, its a worldwide thing also, japanese young adult markets send more death threats than any other country if google is correct.
This is literally the best thing that could have happened to Pokémon. Now they have a competitor they can buck their shit up and maybe actually release even a half-assed game instead of whatever the fuck releases have been since ORAS.
AI actively getting used for games development will ultimately be a really good thing. Entirely relying on AI for creating a game is a bad thing, don't get me wrong. But GTA VI's production has been accelerated because of AI, allowing more boring tasks / coding behind the scenes to be done faster with AI, allowing the visual / story aspects of the game to be even more so polished by real human digital artists since they have more time to do so. This has been confirmed by Take Two Interactive's CEO and they've been doing this for decades, however AI models have been much more public and frequently used recently due to ChatGPT's explosion on the internet.
I haven't finished the video yet but something else I think people are forgetting is that this isn't early-day Pokémon. There isn't only 151 Pokémon anymore. There's over 1000 as of this year. Of course there's gonna be some similarities!!
But people found out they are literally tracing the meshes from Pokemon for like 90% of their characters.
@@BushSageand?
@@chubbyanemone696 that's theft?
@@AwesomestTed pokemon took a lof of inspiration from dragon quest.
@@BushSageno they didn’t lol
News flash: In every single medium (Games, Movies, Books, Songs, ect) take inspiration from what was previously popular...
It is incredibly hard to come up with something completely unique and on top of that make it attractive to a mass audience.
Palworld is popular because it takes a previous genre of a "Team of monsters building RPG" and advances it more that Game Freak has done with Pokemon in 20+ years. People are tired of the same old Pokemon game year after year.
You should not be mad at the Palworld team for actually making some competition for Pokemon... Be mad with Game Freak and Nintendo for letting such a popular franchise and game genre stagnant to this extent...
Competition is the catalyst for improvement. Take a look at Madden for example. Ever since they got the exclusive rights to NFL simulation football, that whole genre had stagnated to the point of becoming a punchline. In my opinion, competition is the most important thing for advancement.
To anyone who read all of this post, here’s a gold star.
I feel that and I'm also glad to see that there are Pokémon fans who aren't just blindly hating. I mean I'd probably prefer the same game coming from Pokémon since it would probably have less bugs and everything. But they won't and that's the whole point...
@@michaellamp4600 Yeah kinda went on a rant lmao. Ty for coming to my TED talk
@@ProAssassinII You might not prefer it, because if Pokemon made this shift then the people who like Pokemon gameplay are screwed over. It would lead to constant in fighting (Look at Paper Mario) where one side can only be happy if the other suffers. These things have pretty big consequences and why Mario Kart shows the value of spin offs being consistent, unlike the abandoned Pokemon spin offs.
I wouldn't say people are tired of the same game for 20 years, it's more they are tired of paying Triple A prices for the same game for 20 years. I like it when games stay true to the formula, but when they ask high prices for what is essentially the same thing only with new monsters, when they think you ought to dump $70 for a current gen title that's basically a reskin of a 10 year old game (that they are still asking $50 for) is where I draw the line. If the latest Pokemon games, especially ones that appear to use the same engine as games released 5-10 years ago, were only $20-30, then that would be far more reasonable. But who wants to pay $70 twice a year for a franchise that doesn't do anything ground-breakingly new until that latest open world thing? I bet the next pokemon game that comes out is gonna be just like the last one, and it's gonna be $70 if not more. Also, the fact that Pokemon is locked to Nintendo's consoles and that they refuse to join the PC crowd is a huge downside too. That's why games like TemTem exist, people want this sort of content on PC, and would happily pay $40 for TemTem rather than being forced to pay $70 for a Switch game.
i don’t know why people seem to be incapable of looking at things from other perspectives. it’s understandable to hear these concerns, think it’s a nothingburger, and choose to play it; just as it’s understandable to hear these concerns, think there’s too much risk there, and avoid the game all together. we don’t need to change each other’s minds, we just really need to be better about respecting one another.
Nintendo ended up filing a cease and desist for the person who created the Pokémon mod
Tbh that guy was paywalling the mod, which is probably the fastest way to get a cease and desist.
If the Pokemon company can't figure out how to innovate and bring their game to a wider audience, then we get stuff like this. If I don't own a switch, or anything Nintendo, I would be locked out of playing a game I would otherwise love to play (unless I play on my phone), so for a game like this to be brought to market, it's a no brainer that it got so popular so quickly.
I've always thought it was beyond dumb that Nintendo limits their IPs to their platform considering how niche their platforms and IPs always are. Their whole ecosystem is designed around gaming on the go, which most people don't even do, and they have a pretty limited selection of titles for their platform, so it's mostly die hard fans of Pokemon, Mario, or Zelda that buy their consoles. They could have such a huge market share if they released proper modern Pokemon games across all platforms.
There have been indie Pokémon clones like Temtem and Cassette Beasts which copy the Pokémon formula even more closely though, and they didn’t do nearly as well as Palworld has done. I think it’s more the innovation Palworld brings to the table that’s attracting people.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres
The Switch is the third best selling console of all time, behind only the PS2 and Nintendo DS, so it’s definitely more than just diehard fans of Nintendo franchises that’s buying the console.
Bad take. This didn’t gain popularity because Pokemon isn’t doing well, it’s popular because Pokemon IS still doing well and people want to see how something in the same space will compare, and because it does what it does uniquely well too. Pokemon is the most financially successful entertainment franchise on the planet. It is not a coincidence that there is plenty of interest and money to go toward a competent “competitor.”
@@RealEllenDeGeneres the switch is literally one of the highest selling consoles EVER lmao. plus, i highly doubt 720p 30fps games will be appealing to pc gamers, so i think its good nintendo games just stay in their own bubble with their own everything.
I don’t know, the meowth one reminds me more of that cat from fucking Alice in wonderland than meowth
The cheshire cat, exactly what I thought as well
@@dressy7466yes that’s who I’m thinking of thank you 😂
Which one? Disney version? American MgGee? Tim Burton version?
@@Labyrinth6000 the pink obviously reminds me of Disney but also with elements from the Tim Burton one
@@Labyrinth6000I thought American McGees version immediately tbh, but ig that shows my age 😭
I work in the gaming and film industry as a concept artist and the amount of legal problems some devs are getting into by using AI for art development is insane. I get to sign contracts where it says I cant use any AI tools for the art I have to work on for the project, and this is getting more and more common, because the legal teams are afraid of this big lawsuits against their companies. AI for art is not yet a big of a problem for artists, we are not losing jobs, actually, "ai artists" are getting fired even in small companies since art development for projects is way more complex than what an ai can do at the moment. Also, protecting IP's legally is way easier than what people think. People should be more afraid of common careers, because if AI gets no regulations, trust me, it will take all the jobs from people who usually do repetitive activities, even strategic positions inside businesses are in danger. So lets hope it all goes well
Only regulation AI needs is watermarking containing both info about model, dataset and possibly prompt if posted publicly. Anything else and it runs the risk of being restricted to overpriced licences rather than a useful tool everyone have access too.
AI should otherwise be a non-issue as long as the results are only used to help making concepts and not tried to pass it off as something made by an actual artist.
The whole “plagiarism” regarding to the models has been confirmed that the person making the comparison through the 3D models been confirmed that they fabricated the proof and only did it out of spite and even then it doesn’t take a few seconds to know that the two models being compared are clipping over each other let alone the poly count being vastly different
cringe clickbait title
ok
That's just how Lud operates some days lol
I agree, there's acceptable clickbait, and then there's this: literally lying
@@theunovanative7640 *Mogul Mail
Speak up 🗣️🗣️😭😭 bro ✊
PalWorld really shows the power of 'economies of scale'. That you don't have to price games at $70; you can still make a truckload of money by getting a game into as many consoles/pc as possible with a consumer friendly price
I wonder if there is also a factor of it feeling like the game might not stay out for long, so best play it now before it gets shut down. But I do think they’ve struck a goldmine of a concept that people already love. I just hope it doesn’t get into trouble over the models themselves (I think the only thing that realistically could be sued for here)
its not only that you can also have to add quality to the formula , 70$ games are normally published unfinished and in a crappy state
palworld even with their little bugs and fails is more stable , finished and fun than most of the triple a games released in the last 5 years or more
yo no one gonna say pokemon mega evolution is a straight up rip off of the digimon evolution system?
if you wanna be 100% accurate pokemon "copied" tamagochi which became digimon so...
anyhow, taking inspiration like this is super fine
I think people don't understand that work can be extremely derivative and that's not copyright infringement. If they truly did repurpose Pokemon assets by training generative AI on them, then that's an obvious issue and ought to be punished, but you're 100% allowed to use someone else's ideas and concepts for a piece of media as long as you're not stealing content. And frankly,,,, i dont think thats unfair!! If somebody comes up with an idea, and you think you can do it better or expand upon it in some way, why shouldn't you be allowed to? But even more than this, if we do decide that derivative art is unethical and unworthy of recognition, how would we even go about drawing the line between derivation and inspiration?? It seems to me that such a distinction would undoubtedly be highly subjective and vague.
I didn’t know that the Pokémon company and Nintendo had a monopoly on shapes and animals
And colors don’t worry
they don't but some of these models match 1:1, the odds that somehow they matched those by accident are non existent. doesn't pass the sniff test and the developers previous history don't do them any good
@@rowgesage936just the last game Gf copied Godzilla and Kamen rider for 2 of their new mons, even if Palworld copied pokemon, there's no reason to take anything said about that topic serious, pokefanatics are well know to attack and try to compare any other game with creatures to pokemon as inferior, its just more salt, you can be sure once next digimon stories comes out, the same people will talk shit about it, just like they did with cyber sleuth, coromon, temtem and so many others. tldr: there's 0 reason to take any claim made by a pokemon player serious
I like the game but you can't deny the similarities😂 I haven't touched a pokemon game since diamond and pearl but I've only heard bad things about the newer games. I have played some Pixelmon recently and its honestly not bad😂
@@Semnome-gv5yg I believe the problem resides soley on "if they stole assets".
If they didn't, yeah, there is no reason to listen to any """plagiarism concern""" on Twitter (like, fr, design-wise they're different enough to be considered eiher parody or inspiration).
If they did, however, the problem does arise as those assets are under a license and you are prohibited from expoting them from the game they come from.
Having put quite a lot of hours into palworld so far and loving it, I can say it really feels like a game satirizing pokemon. The idea alone of the use of guns, butchering the pals and even humans screams parody and satire. It very obviously doesn't take itself seriously so I really think the whole drama about it ripping off pokemon is absurd. Also, it's insanely fun and even if it uses AI, it is done with obvious human touches that make it forgivable in my eyes. Like the AI spongebob songs that keep coming out, making bangers with AI voice changers but having obvious human input and elements that tie it together. But even with that said, if there's no proof of it utilizing AI in the first place then the speculation really doesn't hold up.
The fact that butchering pals is censored as a joke adds to their playfulness.
Also the color scheme argument loses weight, when you see there’s regional differences to most of them from what I’ve seen. There’s like at least two version of each Pokémon that changes their colors completely.
They have traits like Sadist and Masochist lmfao, it's very clearly a parody and a damn fun one
@@markvieyra9950some of those arguments are very strong design wise, but like Kingpaca and Hisuian Growlithe? People are going to throw their back out reaching so hard.
As much as I'm enjoying the game so far, I really wish they would've kept the game more fantasy. Should've limited the weapons to bows/swords/magical staffs, etc... and just have increasingly more powerful weapons via magic like Minecraft Dungeons. The gun aspect almost made me not even download the game because it looked corny, but I saw too many people hyping it up not to try.
ai bad
Games as a medium have always advanced by ripping each other off. It happens all the time in every genre. A developer sees something in a game and thinks "hey I could use that like this".
I saw the first trailer for the game when it came out back in 2021 and immediately thought it was hilarious and showed all of my friends thinking it was just a dumb game that's literally pokemon with guns, but I was so pleasantly surprised to see that it's a real game with a lot of depth. It's so cool to see how big the game has gotten
My biggest hope with Palworld is that it's success will make gamefreak rethink their "get the game out asap no time to reinvent gotta get money" and actually make a "good" game (this is coming from someone who has mostly enjoyed the recent games, despite their quality heavily dropping). More competition in the pocket monster space should just lead to more incentive for gamefreak to improve as a studio?
How is a game made with zero effort gonna teach gamefreak anything other than "look, we really DON'T have to put effort into our games"
@@justinw8916 just because palworld isn’t a polished game doesn’t mean it won’t make it harder for game freak (and therefore better for us). that’s how competition works, if game freak doesn’t evolve the game and palworld continues to grow and see success, the currently untouchable entity of pokemon might just bleed
@@justinw8916because Palword is so much more polished than the past few Pokémon games, and it’s not even fully released.
@@mr.floofles3100 I would LOVE for the guys at GF to see a development cycle that would make for more refined and polished games, I do. I get that palworld is fun, but what boggles my mind is where this support was for quality monster collecting titles like Yokai Watch, SMT, and Digimon? They been made unique, fun, and better games than Pokémon do!
@@mr.floofles3100Pokemon games so badly need polishing and refining, they are a mess. I just dont see the vision in elevating a game whose purpose is latching onto "Pokemon but with guns" or "Pokemon-killer #232" as their identity when the monster collecting genre already has an array of genuinely better games with artistic soul and effort. Not tryna be a doomer, but at the end of the day there are now 2 greedy and lazy companies making best-sellers.
bootlicking nintendo has to be like the number one sign of brainrot
because stealing assets is fine right?
some pals are obv stolen from pokemon and it doesnt matter if you are a billion dollar company or indie stealing shit isnt good and this shit has literally nothing to do with "bootlicking"
still the game is super fun tho enjoying it a lot while i can
@@pimpdaddyffmbro... don't even try to lean anything towards defending Nintendo, you are defending the company equivalent of a Karen. You're defending the Karen of gaming companies. And they did nothing wrong. There's no solid proof here. Reworking and changing models is in no way stealing. Never heard of parody law, Jesus Christ. Hope those boots taste good
@@pimpdaddyffmyeah who gives a shit if money is stolen from a billion dollar company it’s not like they won’t make it back immediately in the next second💀
@@pimpdaddyffmif you want to capitalise from a big company then full support for you
@@pimpdaddyffmOkay man just chill lol. The game isn’t going anywhere. It’s been in development for 3 years and they were public about it. If Pokémon could sue them for it, they would’ve stopped it in development. There’s no stolen models, just similarities. And besides only some of the pals being similar, the game is nothing like Pokémon at all besides that. It’s more similar to Ark or BOTW than Pokémon in any way
Some people spend way too much effort on companies. Either buy their stuff or don't. That's the only decision that has any consequence to you or to them.
Love how the guy talking about the similarities of model frames actually edited the models to make them look more similar. Also, the game has been announced for 2 and a half years and there hasn't been a single issue until this year and it was fans.
pokemon definitely doesn't own cartoony animal like creatures.
Thank you. You open minded
We need more popular monster-catching-type games anyway, so pokemon can get legitimate competition. I'm all for this game and hope more appear that become successful. (I know there's a bunch of indie ones out there but this one has really made some ripples in the public eye, which is what's important!)
I think the problem with a lot of those other monster-catching-type games is that they're more similar to Pokémon than Palworld. TemTem for example is a really well made game, but it kind of feels like a Pokémon game that isn't actual Pokémon and I've already played these kind of games for the last 18 years starting with Pokémon blue...
They are holding a monopoly in the market otherwise, so yeah I 100% agree with you.
@@ProAssassinIIfirst u use monster-catching-type, but we forget about pokemon having 99% of market in this game.
People not giving Yokai Watch and DQM a chance is criminal in itself
Lets be real here current pokemon games are the actual scams with how buggy and broken they are, and how expensive the DLCs are with the extremely small amount of content they have
Hey Ludwig, a correction needs to be made at 3:24. The tweet saying the models had the same proportions was fake and the person apologized saying he did change it to match the pokemon.
I can sort of imagine the work flow of replicating pokemon models as place holder and then updating them with original designs as they go, with the more 1:1 designs being late development rushed to make launch.
Game clearly had a lot of work put into it and hoping it'll get the Vampire Survivor treatment (another indie that exploded in popularity with a lot of blatant inspiration) where they redesign characters now that they've got more than enough funding.
Not saying the games clear of blame but good lord the amount of unconfirmed information getting paraded isn't doing any one any favors.
The Ai take is similar to people's take on any political povs. They discount the opposing parties' argument because it is labeled but not because of its content
Yeah man, I don’t want to play ai generated content
@@fio6620 I do
@@fio6620I agree and I don’t like supporting ai art but I genuinely don’t think it’s using ai art. If they did the pals probably would look less like Pokémon
As a graphic design student, I have learned the rules of emulation and imitation. An example I can for sure understand is Genshin versus Zelda. When Genshin was released, it was known as the Zelda ripoff. However Genshin is an emulation of Zelda. The core style being open world adventure is the same idea with quests to complete, but the design, update system, combat system and gacha mechanics make it completely different from Zelda. There may be similarities, but they aren’t the same game. Palworld and Pokemon are the same. There are similarities in concept, but features of the game are different. At the end of the day companies can’t own a game style. Nintendo doesn’t own the open-world game style, or creature collection games.
However this said, there are some close similarities between some designs and maybe there were instances of taking models/model pieces for the game. There is also maybe a chance with designs being similar that AI was used to generate concepts and designs for the game due to these similarities. But this is all just speculation and NOT FACT.
Side note: I don’t really care for either side of this arguement. I just hope that the creators of Palworld didn’t steal assets or use AI.
the makers of space panic in 1980 should sue everyone that ever made a platform game ever.
For the record, using AI to make in-game models isn't illegal. Just bc something looks "similar" doesn't mean it's stolen. Also, mods are their own beast, which require an entirely different conversation. Palworld devs had no part in them and we dont sue Glock when aftermarket parts come out.
You know AI can't do original designs right?
@@lesterantenor1026 And? Everything is inspired by something, let it be art, music, games, and the like.
@evanmccue736 ur missing the part where artists have their own style or something to add not just mashing up other peoples art without rhyme or reason
@@evanmccue736 inspired?? more like plagiarised
@@siddhantthakur3261 Prove it, Nintendo will pay you top dollar to prove it so they can sue another competitor out of business instead making a better game themselves.
Palworld did what Pokemon WOULDN'T. They made the game look good, feel good, and not repeated structures from the past 20 years
Well i dont jnow about look good
Hell of a better job than gamefreak @@WhatIsTheHeat
@@WhatIsTheHeatlooks better than a pokemon game yes
Honestly the one thing keeping me from playing palworld is it looks like shit. Aesthetics are subjective but the style is janky bro
It looks better than Pokemon I think is the main takeaway. And I don't mind the art style. It doesn't have to match Tears of the Kingdom to be great.
i think from an artist's point of view it's just frustrating to see this game find so much success when the designs look like they went into the pokémon fusion website, combined 2 designs, and added it to the game. yes, some comparisons are a stretch, but a lot of them, for pokémon fans who can name all designs, instantly stand out as clearly being a combination of a couple pokémon, if not just straight up a single pokémon. and the fact that they didn't steal the models doesn't mean that a lot of the designs aren't recognisable as a certain pokémon model but very slightly modified, such as with luxray. i saw the thread of the 111 pals vs pokémon designs comparison and yes, a few aren't really accurate, or simply call out that they share a theme, such as pikachu or zebstrika (zebra with lightning bolts on its body), but that doesn't negate the very obvious ones. just the fact that the art style is near identical, and that if you told me that some of those designs are new pokémon i'd believe you, is frustrating as an artist! gameplay aside, there's a clear pattern with these people taking game concepts and playing with what is and isn't allowed in terms of how close you can get to copying those games without getting sued (zelda, hollow knight, pokémon) that takes away any curiosity i might have to play these games, including palworld.
and a reminder that you can be critical of palworld and pokémon at the same time! i'm not trying to hold gamefreak on a pedestal or fight their battles for them, i'm simply stating my opinion as an artist and pokémon fan
ok artist, design 20 stylized cute monsters with elemental attacks..... oh, and they cant look similar to pokemon. let us know when you're done.. ,
Edit: apparently i was feeling a bit confrontational when i typed this, @Dragoonsoul7878 made a very well thoughtout reply , that was actually polite. I am humbled and apologize.
To be fair, most Pokemon designs are based on real or mythical creatures, so if you designed something in a similar style to Pokemon this will happen through no fault of your own.
South Park made an episode about facing the same issue but it was "The Simpsons already did it."
You can draw in an art style, but you don't own the style. You can't deny someone else the right to draw that way, only take specifically what you draw. If this was true then almost every sitcom or inspired by X would be illegal.
For real, the only people who care and dislike Palworld are artists, and no one else has any respect or fucking care in the world, art is so fucking doomed with the ignorant and unempathetic public, it makes me so fucking depressed
@@Dragoonsoul7878 IT'S NOT THE SAME, They stoled and copied models and designs, replecating silhouettes body shapes body parts color schemes and features blatantly.
I dont understand how anyone here is actively defending nintendo after they turned pokemon into a soulless cash grab
They failed to innovate on their ip because they think theyre untouchable. Palworld is amazing for every Pokémon fan because it proofes that if done decent there is still a huge market for a pokemon game with a twist and that sticking to the generic formula isnt necessarily the best idea