Why Formula 1 Cars Take Hours To Start
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 9. 11. 2022
- Have you ever wondered how Formula 1 cars are started?
Today I join TDF who will be demonstrating how a 1998's Minardi F1 car is started, who knows maybe in future a current team will show us the updated method! đïž
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@@finewine1001 epic !
Plus a serial port to communicate from the laptop to the car.
The Roces In-line Skates got me.
My dad's 1974 plymouth station wagon almost required this much attention, but it was much slower and we did it without sponsors.
That was funny as hell!
And first dates are awkward in both.
it required way less attention, stupid easy and simple
You can't put too much water in a nuclear reactor
LOL
Nico Rosberg on the W07: it took my mechanics 6 hours to start the car.
Keke Rosberg on the FW08: compared to the Williams guys. They just pulled my car off the trucks and fired it up.
From Nico and Keke Rosberg interview with Martin Brundle in Monaco.
Is that Nico Rosberg that Monaco based CZcamsr who beat Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery?
@@KitKitChanIsaac That guy who makes a lap of a track 10x longer by adding explanations?
@@Klassik_KT Yes
I mean, the old car did have a much simpler Cosworth DFV.
also older f1 cars only needed engines to last a race weekend so they didnt really care
3 seconds behind McLaren in 1998 isn't bad considering the MP4/17 was capable of lapping the entire field on its best day.
MP4/13*
.. until you realized that the gap nowadays between the cars at the front and to the back is half than that.
Still, the Mclaren and the Ferrari of those days are truly monsters compared to others on the grid.
@@3ormorecharactersmaybe5 actually no it's still very impressive. for most of f1s early history a good chunk of the teams that showed up to every race ended up being too slow to even enter qualifying.
with those slick pileri tires it may acyually be faster than the mclaren đ€Ą
3 seconds is an eternity in racing.
I worked on Locomotives in the Mid 1970's in the Pilbara, Western Australia. We had a loco idling on standby all the time. The moment it was needed in service, the next would be prepared, much the same as this. Over 90% of the wear they said was starting. So we'd heat the coolant and also the oil up to operating temperature, then pump up the oil pressure before it was started. It took about 24hrs if there was no rush to get it ready to fire.
Cold starting has always been the weakest point for any engines that correspond to 90% wear when starting. In this many farmers when they start their big tractors very often I see them revving up with "shots" the engines in order to warm the engine. In my modest opinion I find it very brutal on the engine. I know because I very help my girlfriend with her big tractor that is is "eating" oil from too many Cold starting when it was driven by her brother....
@@paoloviti6156 Hell that even applies to lightbulbs and most mechanical things I can think of, starts are what kills everything
@@BloopTube yes, I agree with you fully đđ
@@BloopTube less cycling of anything is usually better
Interesting. I did a little bit of work on a much smaller diesel engine (somewhere around 1,000 hp or less) in an emergency power generating set at a wastewater treatment plant about 15 years ago. As I recall, it had a supplementary electrically-driven oil circulation pump and an electric oil heater to keep it warm enough to be ready for action. I can't remember exactly how this oil circuit integrated with the main one that used the pump mechanically-driven by the engine itself (probably just a short bypass around the mechanical pump, operating in parallel) or whether it stopped operating when the engine was running (perhaps based on oil temperature and/or pressure feedback) or just kept going regardless.
I absolutely love the late nineties era F1 cars, especially the noise.
Thank you.
V10 sounds the best. only ferraris v12 were still a bit better sounding. :D
@@1ytcommenter I can never forget the scream of the Ferrari V12 not to mention the smell. Could always hear it and detect it even before it came into sight. I realise you canât holt progress but they were amazing.
@Frank Vera eNviRonMeNtaL rEasOns
@Frank Vera Because "progress" :-/
@@1ytcommenter McLaren Honda V12 Ayrton Senna đ§đ·đ
"Quilmes" on the wing is an argentinian beer, this car was driven by Esteban Tuero from Argentina.
Vine a buscar ese dato!!!
Y la guita que habrĂĄ puesto Quilmes por el pedacito de propaganda en el alerĂłn"!!
Love this kind of content. So cool to get a peek behind the curtain, and honestly itâs cooler to learn about it on a period-piece V10 Minardi than even a 2022 car
But so incredibly complicated unless of course, youâre an F1 engineer! But beautifully complex!
So amazing..... Just insane
Agreed older cars were amazing
Any era of F1 cars have its own charm be it the all conquering V10 Ferraris or V6 turbo Mercedes or something backmarkers like the Minardis,every era of F1 cars are beautiful in itâs own ways
When F1 was more open and much more friendly to independant teams. Today, there are no independant teams, the expensive and overly complicated turbo hybrid V6s have destroyed that competitive balance. Every team is either a manufacturer, a manufacturer's "junior team" or at least buy most of your parts of a manufacturer - independant teams have no chance to survive.
I worked on Ford Model A's and starting those up was quite a task !! all the controls had to be hand adjusted!! throttle , Choke , Distributor Advance, and mixture were all inside the drivers cockpit including the foot starter switch , clutch and gear shifter!! Eat that F1 !! đđđ€đ€
I've never felt like a 5 minute video went on for so long. Had no idea about any of this just to start the cars sheesh, mad props
I miss teams like Minardi, Arrows, Tyrell...good old times.
Tyrrell became Mercedes, Minardi became Alpha Tauri, and Arrows...got screwed by a Nigerian prince!
Slow teams still exist. Pretty much every one of them except RB, Ferrari and Merc.
You mean underdog teams run by passionate ppl but didn't have the big team budget?
@@ahmadfirdaus4183 Exactly what I mean :)
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Six minutes of how to start a f1 car up for dummies, well explained & brilliant information
Thankyou
Oh & what a sound those v10s â€
Always loved that livery... maybe even more so now, since it reminds me of the season where I started watching F1 for real.
Same. Crazy to think that was just a couple years after Senna died. Schumacher was the only F1 god I knew at the time. Still, I was a Mika fan.
@@WalkerKlondyke Same. Or at least everyone was talking about this Schumacher, but I was a Mclaren fan. Even had the MP4-13 as a model car đ
Late 90's Indy car startup was similar. Not nearly as complicated. But all temps and pressures had to be externally manipulated before cranking it up.
That's one of the easy things to forget is even a lower midfield or even backmarker formula1 car may be seconds off the pace from the lead teams but they are still one of the fastest cars in the world even still.
Having worked on the 1994 Tyrrell F1 car, I know the answer. The engine has to be brought up to temperature before starting because of the tolerances. It did not have the original engine but a detuned Judd engine which still produced over 700 HP from 3.5 liter normally aspirated engine. In F1 racing they also cool the fuel these days and circulated through the fuel system for several hours.
Once again killing it with the content. Easily the best F1 videos
I remember Niki telling about how the director of the movie Rush described a scene he had in mind to him. Niki should jump in the car, fasten the seatbelt, turn the key to start it and drive away. Nikki told him, you are strapped in the car by assisstants and there's no key in an F1 car, you push a button. The director obviously had a lot to learn about those fairly simple racecars. It would have taken Niki 2 hours to explain to him how to start this one. lol
Now that's an anti-theft system !!
Sick video, thanks for sharing !!
the 90s/00s cars looked so damn good
I've waited for this video for nearly 4 months! And you didn't disappoint.
I never tire of the sound from that era of f1
Nicely done! Id never seen the Entirety of the Process before, thanks for setting this up and sharing. Great job. Glad to see a Minardi still in shape to run.
I loved Minardi. They where always such the underdog but they worked so very hard for every Euro they had.
If the software requires an old laptop for it to run on because the speed of the newer laptops cause problems, then the old software was written by a crap developer. Developers of games back in the 8088 days learned to not use that sort of timing loop when the 8086 started showing up in some PC clones and it was made especially noticeable with the PC-AT was released with the 80286 processor. Many games that used timing loops were basically unplayable on a 80286 based PC since it would run about 6 times faster.
Yeah, but you're talking about F1, where almost every critical component is replaced annually, not a computer game. So creating new programmes and buying new laptops every year or every other year is hardly a concern.
The code was written by some random guy. The only requirement was just run and period.
A lot of enterprise software solutions are ported from older windows versions bc is cheaper than write an entire new code
YEAH YOU TELL THEM!!!!
Stupid F1 vehicles⊠tired of them not knowing what theyâre doing
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maybe tell that directly to them, don't comment here, they won't listen to you.
No one knows wtf youâre talking about
Things are a bit different. Generationally, I think things have improved a bit. In about 1968, when I was a wee tyke, my father wrenched on a Formula Ford. Took all morning to get the car ready to start. I just remember wrenches everywhere and the mound of people wrapped around the engine. No such thing as a computer, just deft hands and a good ear. Dad took me up and down the paddock/pit in his lap once. Good times.
Even F1 car tech has improved but regardless of what era is always interesting and exciting how each cars are operated whether itâs a terrible car like those Minardis driven by Fernando Alonso in 2001 or Jos Verstappen during 2003 to the current technology advanced title winning Red Bull RB18 driven by Max Verstappen. Every era of F1 cars has its own charm whether itâs a front runningall conquering cars or backmarkers
Quality content as always Matt đ
A really well put together segment on what it takes to start up a F1 V10
Wow that was very interesting. Great video Matt!
Only came across your channel about an hour ago and itâs already my favourite one đ
That was very informative, quality content. Thank you!
Something Iâve never thought about but CZcams algorithms decided it was time for me learn. Thatâs a long process to start up the car. Thank you!
I miss the V10 era so much đ
Really informative video. Best I've seen on race engineering.
WOW. I certainly did not know this about the cars. I always thought it would be simply turn key. Thank you so much for this video.
Totally interesting stuff. Fascinating to this sort of thing being done. Love it.
loved this video, even cooler that it was a Minardi. always my fav team when they were on the grid as loved supporting the underdog
Vehicle racing is so much more than "cars driving around in circles". That's what people who don't understand say when speaking about NASCAR or Formula racing. There's an incredible amount of engineering and coordination involved.
I feel very privileged to be someone who has sat in, and worked on, an actual F1 race car, the A11 Arrows of Derek Warwick, and Iâm pretty sure it holds the record at Goodwood now. Not my handiwork, but I helped with the engine and suspension while it was in Australia.
Thanks for the info, I knew there was far more to an F1 car than the average driver, but had NO idea it that much involved just to get it started. I love the old F1 cars mainly because of that v10 sound, it just isn't the same anymore since the KERS system was introduced.
" KERS " ?
@@bill3641 Kinetic Energy Recovery System. It's too involved for my brain to go into, but you can go online & read about it.
this is the first time I have seen any thing like this very good and thank you
Looks like the one that was at brands hatch for the festival italia an August, that thing sounded awesome
love the sound of those old v10's
Very informative! Also, I love that shade of blue.
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This is good advice, if you had to make a quick getaway and had a formula 1 car or a 1965 VW beetle to choose from I know now to choose the VW
Quilmes & Esteban Tuero, old times of Argentina at the 90's
Increible todo
I love the video! more of these pleaseeeeeeee!
This is so cool
Thanks for this content !
I was nearby a Williams FW29 (Alex Wurz 2007 Canada chassis) today when it got started up, those two cars (other one is the Rosberg car) are owned by RajamÀki from Finland but are now equipped with Judd engines. Same start procedure as here in the video but damn it was fun to follow all of it
Supercool. So informative!
Great video Tom Scott
Just imagine: This example is for a F1 car almost a quarter of a century old!
One can imagine the startup of a modern F1 car is becoming similar to the launch of a space rocket.
Great video!
LOVE the sounds of those engines
Excellent and concise
A lot of this stuff has actually been simplified , on newer cars, which is great. It means less prep time is needed.
Can we all just take a moment to recognize what a great looking car this is... gorgeous!
Awesome!
& that noise!âŠ. Man I loved those engines!
The old F1 cars sounded SO good!
I don't know why but there's something about 90's F1 cars looks that gets me every time đâ€ïžâđ„đ so beautiful
Great - thank you - to hear the sound of a proper F1 car!!
Awe.... That V10 sound! đ„°
Brilliant job very interesting đ
Great upload, and very interesting. I had no idea they were that complex to start back in the day...I was 38 in 98...To think how much the world has changed since then, is a bit staggering...They weren't great days, but; I believe they're better than these days...
The 80's, 90's and early 2000's were the best times to be alive in. After WWII, everyone just wanted to live life in piece after being through hell.
wow. underrated bro, you are underrated.
What a gorgeous sound.
That was really interesting and the sound of a screaming V10 was always amazing!!!!
Well done video!
So doesn't necessarily take long to START the car, but to go through a bunch of system ops checks and have it run optimally. Very cool.
That sound.â€ïž
Not sure why but this is one of the nicest F1 cars I've ever seen!
It's involved so many crucial preparations to get a F1 Racer running >>> Respect & Salute to the behind the scene Teams of a F1 Racing Team! đ·đżđđđ
Amazing to watch this.
That starter looks very similar to the one I used in karts (Yamaha 100S with clutch). It was a Toyota Camry starter motor with a battery.
I miss this era of F1 more than I can describe with words....
This is why the earlier F1 cars are more in demand for second hand sales, ones up til the early 1990s. They're simply easier to run on a private demo or track day with a smaller crew. Once you get to mid 1990s and after they're way too complex to run without 3-4 very knowledgeable people setting everything up. Setting up this Minardi takes some work, but you can bet some systems on the 1998 Mclaren and Ferrari are even more sophisticated and complex to check and run. The Mclaren had a second brake pedal and separate rear brake steer system system....
Very straightforward really! đđ€Ł
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WOW, this brand was a big part of my life around 30 years ago..
Never gave it much thought but the tolerances on those high rpm engines are so much tighter by design they would need the metals at a certain temp or certainly they would cause more damage. Really goes to show how much engineering goes into making the most horse power. And this is a relic the amount of money spent on not only f1 but also nascar and funny cars and anything built for pure speed is insane.
Usually most tolerances in race engines are looser rather than tighter due to the high RPM's they run at. Also, in our drag race engines the aluminum block, heads, and rods grow a lot with heat so that needs to be accounted for. Cold valve lash is set at around .008", that opens up to .024" at operating temps.
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. Thirty years ago, Niki Lauda told us âtake a monkey, place him into the cockpit and he is able to drive the car.â Thirty years later, Sebastian told us âI had to start my car like a computer, itâs very complicated.â And Nico Rosberg said that during the race - I donât remember what race - he pressed the wrong button on the wheel. Question for you both: is Formula One driving today too complicated with twenty and more buttons on the wheel, are you too much under effort, under pressure? What are your wishes for the future concerning the technical programme during the race? Less buttons, more? Or less and more communication with your engineers?
Sorry, could you repeat the question?
Good question.
They'll do whatever they need to do to get the fastest lap times, that's the biggest factor.
The driver should only worry about driving. Entire teams of people with far more specialized knowledge exist so the driver should only worry about driving.
Sebastian Vettel's remark doesn't make sense at all. Starting a computer is even less complicated than starting a regular car.
Incredibly impressive
looks like fun!
that v10 sound tho
I love those classic cars đ
The Mercedes-AMG One has an engine very closely based on their 2016 F1 winning entry... Hope it wouldn't take this much long to start it!
That sound is worth every second
hard working
Well that seems quite straight forward.
Ah, the venerable CF-19. Used one those for work for about 8 years. Got replaced with a Dell. Wish I still had the CF-19 honestly.
If I remember correctly, the Japanese Zero in WWII, needed to be preheated before flying. The oil used in the engines was so thick, it was more like grease when cold. They would start cold, but would sputter and not have much power. When needing to take off quickly and not sit and heat up for 30 minutes, they attached hoses and circulated preheated oil through the engines. This way they could take off with only a minute preparation, instead of 30 minutes. This was especially useful on aircraft carriers and land airstrips when they needed to take off quickly to defend.
I'd love to have that joystick thingie for my car and listen to it rev its balls off from my porch
Btw extraordinary content guys! 10/10
One the best sounds in the world!!
The valves run on air because they Rev so high a traditional valve spring wouldn't work. That's cool asf
man i would love to hear one of them in person.
Couldn't avoid noticing the Quilmes logo at the sides of the rear spoiler.
Quilmes is a brewery from Argentina "where I'm from". It's crazy I've never noticed something like that before.
It makes sense that a close-tolerance engine could be easily damaged if cold. After all, the metal is all shrunken down (contracted) due to it being cool/cold. That is a recipe for seizing up.
I do the same thing with my 1981 Chevy Chevette. She runs like a dream.
legendary sound
These F1 engines especially these Naturally Aspirated V8 V10 V12 have such tight clearances in the reciprocating assembly and valve guides, it's a good idea the engineers heat up the oil and the coolant to pass through the long motor (from top to bottom) to allow for metal expansion closer to operating temperatures to minimise wear, because if they did start run them cold to warm up, they would have so many engines failing during the races it wouldn't be funny!
Warming up regular car engines would actually make them last a lot longer before needing to be rebuilt. Most engine wear comes from cold start ups. It's also an environmental plus because the emissions are less for a warmed up engine.
Thatâs crazy about the air controlled valve system!