Why football's nationality rules have changed

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  • @ryandeane427
    @ryandeane427 Před měsícem +3513

    To be clear, Rice also made senior appearances for Ireland, though they were only friendlies

    • @MiaSanMia_06
      @MiaSanMia_06 Před měsícem +67

      Yes that's they said, not play in any tournaments or more than three match

    • @afcHalifax-xy5uu
      @afcHalifax-xy5uu Před měsícem +57

      @@MiaSanMia_06no more than 3 matches? that must be a “Declan Rice” rule 😂

    • @MiaSanMia_06
      @MiaSanMia_06 Před měsícem +10

      @@afcHalifax-xy5uu I not understand bro. Fifa rule is to change national team player should have played 3 or less than 3 match for their previous team and shouldn't also played in any international tournament like euro or wc

    • @Linesjointspenaltypoints
      @Linesjointspenaltypoints Před měsícem +93

      Kissed the Irish badge and all 😂

    • @M4NA5
      @M4NA5 Před měsícem +27

      Grealish too

  • @thefootballfuturist3063
    @thefootballfuturist3063 Před měsícem +2486

    This could’ve been a full length 10 minute video

    • @MuhammadRaza-yd6sg
      @MuhammadRaza-yd6sg Před měsícem +52

      Shorts are op

    • @MuhammadRaza-yd6sg
      @MuhammadRaza-yd6sg Před měsícem +59

      And tifo have sold out

    • @skoczek777
      @skoczek777 Před měsícem +47

      especially as rules were changing rapidly as the globalization hit harder
      In the 50's you could play for any national team of which you had the citizenship of. So Alfredo di Stefano represented Argentina, Colombia and Spain

    • @allayx.6974
      @allayx.6974 Před měsícem +2

      Would like to know more too

    • @Samouraii
      @Samouraii Před měsícem +11

      It's an ad for the book

  • @NSBEdits420
    @NSBEdits420 Před měsícem +1251

    Imagine if fhey didn't change the rules and there were like 9 Brazilian players playing for a country like China or Qatar. That would be insane.

    • @skoczek777
      @skoczek777 Před měsícem +174

      In November 2007, FIFA President Sepp Blatter told the BBC: "If we don't stop this farce, if we don't take care about the invaders from Brazil towards Europe, Asia and Africa then, in the 2014 or the 2018 World Cup, out of the 32 teams you will have 16 full of Brazilian players."

    • @ptrknvk
      @ptrknvk Před měsícem +84

      There were at least two Brazilians in the Russian team, but to be fair they were playing in Russia for years.

    • @predatorkillss
      @predatorkillss Před měsícem +56

      China has made football mandotary in schools. If they do that for a decade or 2 it will integrate in their culture and they will produce more higher skilled players. I mean if u have more than a billion citizens. There should be 11 skilled players by math I think?

    • @yousandro1999
      @yousandro1999 Před měsícem +56

      You should look at futsal national teams from Azerbaijan, Russia or Kazakhstan, they're full of Brazilian players

    • @guillaumegiroux9425
      @guillaumegiroux9425 Před měsícem +22

      I’m always fishy of national team players not speaking the national language.

  • @NIDELLANEUM
    @NIDELLANEUM Před měsícem +432

    Back then, you could even *win the World Cup* with a nation and still switch. I was surprised to learn that Alcides Ghiggia, the Uruguay player who scored in the 1950 World Cup final, then went to Italy and played for the Azzurri. Can you imagine if, say, Griezmann switched nations and played for Portugal after scoring in a World Cup final?

    • @battistoberhoel8839
      @battistoberhoel8839 Před měsícem +54

      Even legends like Alfredo Di Stefano or Puskas played for multiple national teams.

    • @FALL-LAFF-7477
      @FALL-LAFF-7477 Před měsícem

      ​Wait, was Puskas naturalized to Spanish right?​@@battistoberhoel8839

    • @yacobz
      @yacobz Před měsícem +12

      Apparently some argentinians switched to Italy as well between world cups. I just saw it on Football Iconic's Spain NT vid

    • @Lucaz99
      @Lucaz99 Před měsícem +17

      AC Milan legend Jose Altafini, also known as “Mazzola” in Brazil, won the 1958 WC for Brazil but represented Italy in the next WC in 1962.

    • @mishynaofficial
      @mishynaofficial Před 10 dny

      He better play for Germany ha ha

  • @BeWe1510
    @BeWe1510 Před měsícem +1115

    A rare example of footballs governing bodies making a good decision

  • @arrmahn3442
    @arrmahn3442 Před měsícem +85

    The rule has always been unable to change after 1 senior cap even if he only come on at 90th min. still remember when spain tried to convince Messi, Argentina rushed to arrange an intl friendly asap to get a senior cap with them first

    • @battistoberhoel8839
      @battistoberhoel8839 Před měsícem +6

      But friendlies don't count though

    • @andresmartinezramos7513
      @andresmartinezramos7513 Před měsícem +32

      Imagine a 2008-2012 Spain that also had Messi

    • @Skinslyfe
      @Skinslyfe Před 28 dny +8

      @@andresmartinezramos7513doesn’t even sound fair

    • @Heshinsi
      @Heshinsi Před 26 dny

      @@battistoberhoel8839 They used to and the video even addresses that.

    • @jkoudsi
      @jkoudsi Před 19 dny

      @@andresmartinezramos7513Barcelona

  • @86kickass
    @86kickass Před měsícem +58

    Back in the day players could play in a World Cup for one team then Switch to another team

    • @mzakaria10
      @mzakaria10 Před měsícem +2

      Lmfao, madness.

    • @JustKrin
      @JustKrin Před měsícem +20

      Some of the Argentina squad that played the 1930 WC won the 1934 WC with Italy I believe

    • @ManchesterCitySupremacy
      @ManchesterCitySupremacy Před 9 dny

      @@JustKrin Monti

    • @Hymn_
      @Hymn_ Před 4 dny

      di stefano literally played for 3 nation

  • @FranciscoCarbonara
    @FranciscoCarbonara Před měsícem +171

    Declan Rice was capped at senior level for Ireland, even won FAI young player of the year

    • @listey
      @listey Před měsícem +11

      Playing for England definitely the right decision though....seeing as he's English...

    • @freemangaming2267
      @freemangaming2267 Před měsícem +27

      ​@@listeywonder why he played for Ireland then isn't it?

    • @Caoimhin1909
      @Caoimhin1909 Před měsícem +12

      @@listey If he was English he probably shouldn't have accepted senior call-ups and not kissed the Ireland badge, then... Seeing as he's English.

    • @ALittleMessi
      @ALittleMessi Před 29 dny +3

      ​@@listeywith the most English name of Declan

    • @joemarron5515
      @joemarron5515 Před 25 dny +3

      @@ALittleMessihear any Irish in his voice?

  • @berosar
    @berosar Před měsícem +82

    An ancestral link is OBVIOUSLY not required.

    • @clwireg
      @clwireg Před 29 dny +57

      No, the video gets it wrong. It's either ancestral link OR having lived in the country you're a citizen of continuously for more than five years. There are cases of people being given citizenship to represent a national team e.g. Fernandes who played RB for Russia, he was from Brazil but had lived in Russia long enough for him to be allowed to play for them.

    • @zsac18
      @zsac18 Před 24 dny +15

      All the Requirements to Playing for a National Team
      A player can play for a country if they:
      1. Are born in the country,
      2. Have an ancestral link to a country that allows them to gain citizenship (the furthest ancestral link FIFA accepts is through a grandparent),
      3. Obtain naturalisation to a country they have no ancestral link to and after living in the country for at least 5 years (the rule to counter the Qatar farce).
      A player can swap countries if they have any of these 3 links to another country and aren't cap-tied to their current country. A player becomes cap-tied to a country by:
      1. Playing 1 game for that country at a major tournament (continental or international),
      2. Earning their 4th cap for that country as a senior player under the age of 21,
      3. Being 21 or older having already represented that country at any level (youth or senior) at least once,
      4. Representing a new country at least once after swapping allegiances.
      A player can only swap national teams once in their career.

    • @alf2ih457
      @alf2ih457 Před 12 dny +4

      @@clwiregor like LeNormand in Spain he has 0 ancestral links to Spain but played in Spain since he was 18

    • @jamie9063
      @jamie9063 Před 6 dny

      yeah, i think what it should say instead is "meeting the country's criteria for citizenship"

  • @upkaarbharadia
    @upkaarbharadia Před měsícem +55

    Considering the landscape of international football isn't meant to be skewed by transfers like club football, and players are playing for their own national pride rather than money/ambition, more should be done in the rules to protect its integrity.
    Allowing players like Rice and Grealish to get Rep. of Ireland fans' hopes up only to then rediscover their Englishness when it suited their careers makes a mockery of it and creates unnecessary hostility.
    More responsibility (i.e. rules) should be placed on players at the outset of their intentional careers to understand that once they have made their choice, they can't switch to a different team. Whether it be a youth game or a friendly.
    Even as an Englishman whose team benefitted on this occasion, I was unhappy that the rules allowed Rice and Grealish to switch.

    • @GuntherSDoumson2178
      @GuntherSDoumson2178 Před měsícem +5

      Belgium and Holland lose a lot of good Moroccans who play for their youth teams...

    • @lordfridge491
      @lordfridge491 Před měsícem +4

      ​@@GuntherSDoumson2178 That's fine. It was great seeing Morocco's performance in the last WC

    • @gregbyrne6909
      @gregbyrne6909 Před 27 dny +1

      The issue is that if the rules are stricter, then countries are going to try and cap players ASAP to lock them down. Which is a bad thing.
      You don't want national FA's putting pressure on 17 year olds.

    • @g7g.productions211
      @g7g.productions211 Před 3 dny

      Yes, but rice and grealish are clearly English, so you can't blame them

  • @cmd31220
    @cmd31220 Před měsícem +9

    Fifa has a much different definition of "clear ancestral line" than most people do lol

    • @zsac18
      @zsac18 Před 24 dny +3

      Actually, their definition is very in line with most citizenship laws. Most countries in the world offer citizenship by decent, where you can become a citizen to the country through a family connection (in most cases, through a parent, grandparent or great grandparent). With FIFA, the furthest connection they allow is a grandparent so it's practically the same...

  • @Anton-wk8lv
    @Anton-wk8lv Před měsícem +130

    Extremely rare Fifa W. If this would have happened today, they would have caved immediately.

    • @Big_flizz32
      @Big_flizz32 Před měsícem +4

      W? You can just reverse your decision? Sounds just as bad to me.

    • @Anton-wk8lv
      @Anton-wk8lv Před měsícem +25

      @@Big_flizz32 I'm specifically referring to how they stopped Qatar's plans.

    • @Big_flizz32
      @Big_flizz32 Před měsícem

      @@Anton-wk8lv who cares about Qatar? They’re the most harmless nation in football

    • @hijisfriend9030
      @hijisfriend9030 Před měsícem +10

      ​@@Big_flizz32it's fine. Tbh, this happens a lot with young player rather than veterans. It should be fine.

    • @battistoberhoel8839
      @battistoberhoel8839 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@Anton-wk8lv yeah many countries like Qatar do this in other sports, where they didn't stop it. Like the Qatari futsal or handball teams are a joke

  • @somethingofascientistmyself
    @somethingofascientistmyself Před měsícem +27

    Look at Indonesia national team. Some of the players are EU based and couldn’t even speak the Indonesian language, but since they have Indonesian grandparents it’s fine

    • @irishgodfatherchris
      @irishgodfatherchris Před měsícem +14

      Not some of them, most of them are EU based and don't speak Indonesian, they are also usually born to at least 1 Indonesian parent which makes them Indonesian at least according to Indonesia, yes some were naturalised but a lot were already eligible as far as Indonesia was concerned. Yesterday they beat the Phillipines whose 35 year old striker is from Sweden with a team that had 7 players who were born in the Netherlands.

    • @JustK4Y1512
      @JustK4Y1512 Před měsícem +13

      What colonialism does to a mf

    • @FinnManusia
      @FinnManusia Před 29 dny

      Could be say the same as Malaysia too. There could be many Malaysian blood out there without even need naturalisation.

    • @gregbyrne6909
      @gregbyrne6909 Před 27 dny +9

      Seems fair enough? They have a clear ancestral link to their country. No different to Antonio playing for Jamaica.

    • @d.b.cooper1
      @d.b.cooper1 Před 6 dny +3

      Don’t see why that’s an issue? Especially if they’re clearly the better players, use them to build your way up the rankings, get more funding and then invest that in local grassroots. This has been a thing all over the world for decades

  • @LovelyPizza-mp2mw
    @LovelyPizza-mp2mw Před 24 dny +2

    Fifa closing loop holes. Fifa underestimates the greed of man

  • @conorosullivan13
    @conorosullivan13 Před měsícem +13

    Imagine if rice and grealish stayed in the irish system. We might acctually qualify for something

    • @Model_Roe
      @Model_Roe Před 24 dny +1

      Agree 💯 and technically Jude Bellingham could have played for Ireland because he's Irish on his dad's side and I believe has Irish citizenship but I imagine they all want to have to win at least one World Cup during the course of their career and it's more feasible doing that playing for England as opposed to playing for Ireland

  • @francescganau7679
    @francescganau7679 Před měsícem +3

    Kubala and di Stefano played for Spain in the 1950s… crazgy😊😊😊

  • @DannySapko
    @DannySapko Před měsícem +5

    Always great content!

  • @colmmcsweeney8625
    @colmmcsweeney8625 Před měsícem +5

    but also if you were born or even just lived there for a certain number of years before a certain age

  • @alirasyidi7090
    @alirasyidi7090 Před měsícem +10

    Please explain how some Brazilians, a Gambian & Kosovan with no ancestral links are eligibile to represent Malaysia?

    • @lyndaek99
      @lyndaek99 Před měsícem +3

      It's a new rule. So existing players are grandfathered in I guess.

    • @voldatroneeeee
      @voldatroneeeee Před měsícem +5

      isnt that a loophole if u stay in the country for 5 or more u can play in NT ? thats why qatar always bringing in some youth talented player from any other country

    • @cass2239
      @cass2239 Před měsícem +6

      ​@@lyndaek99you can still gain eligibility by staying in a country for 5 years

    • @zsac18
      @zsac18 Před 24 dny

      If you have citizenship to that country and lived there for at least 5 years, you would be eligible to represent that country.

  • @zsac18
    @zsac18 Před 24 dny +1

    All the Requirements to Playing for a National Team
    (clarifying the mistakes in this short)
    A player can play for a country if they:
    1. Are born in the country,
    2. Have an ancestral link to a country that allows them to gain citizenship (the furthest ancestral link FIFA accepts is through a grandparent),
    3. Obtain naturalisation to a country they have no ancestral link to and after living in the country for at least 5 years (the rule to counter the Qatar farce).
    A player can swap countries if they have any of these 3 links to another country and ARE NOT cap-tied to their current country. A player becomes cap-tied to a country by:
    1. Playing 1 game for that country at a major tournament (continental or international),
    2. Earning their 4th cap for that country as a senior player under the age of 21,
    3. Being 21 or older having already represented that country at any level (youth or senior) at least once,
    4. Representing a new country at least once after swapping allegiances.
    A player can only swap national teams once in their career. They can only reverse the decision IF they fail to make an appearance for the new national team (which would have cap-tied them otherwise).

  • @sir_durkio8511
    @sir_durkio8511 Před měsícem +2

    Meanwhile Joel Embid who plays in the nba has switched nationalities 3 times.😂

  • @T.E.S.S.
    @T.E.S.S. Před 23 dny +1

    whoever drew this somehow managed to make Declan Rice's mouth look even more unpleasant than irl

  • @800iq2
    @800iq2 Před měsícem +6

    Costa playing for Spain

    • @THEOBOTS
      @THEOBOTS Před 7 dny

      Messi playing for Argentina

  • @gabrielguerrero3404
    @gabrielguerrero3404 Před 22 dny +1

    It should be as simple as having only 2 choices, wherever you have spent most of your life or where you were born. I’m sick of players being able to play for a country because one of their parents of grandparents were from that certain country

  • @huismerkcornflakes
    @huismerkcornflakes Před 10 dny +1

    All this hassle, and yet countries can have coaches from any country they want

  • @Stokie99
    @Stokie99 Před 7 dny

    Bruno Fornaroli is a good example of the rule recent rule change.
    Born in Uruguay but never played for the national team. Has played in Australia since 2013 and became a citizen so was eligible to be selected for Australia.

  • @skojuzija
    @skojuzija Před měsícem +2

    This should be a rule in other sports too. Players in handball change national teams like clubs...

  • @cryptocsguy9282
    @cryptocsguy9282 Před 19 hodinami

    The rule change couldn't have happened in 2004 cos Deigo Costa represented Spain at the 2014 WC but he's Brazilian

  • @carlosmorgadosilva3517
    @carlosmorgadosilva3517 Před měsícem +1

    This just makes me think of Di Stefano and how unlucky he was with his international career

  • @CaseyIE
    @CaseyIE Před 26 dny +2

    You should have to make your decision when you turn 18 and that's final. International football should be about representing your country, not playing for one team until you're good enough for another, or settling with your ancestral country because you're not good enough to make your actual country.

  • @Weavileiscool
    @Weavileiscool Před měsícem +16

    FIBA needs to add these rules for basketball it would really help with cases like Embiid

    • @huykim4663
      @huykim4663 Před měsícem +1

      Their rules have some pros tho. Like each team can only have 1 such “Embiid”. So 11/12 registered players of an NT have to be products of its nation’s youth system, not just taking advantage of those “half-, half-“ dudes who have developed through the basketball powerhouses’ programs
      My point of this upside is that each nation has to have a good youth program for it to actually excel

  • @Oakeedokee7
    @Oakeedokee7 Před měsícem +4

    If Rice just held out for England, no one in Ireland would be angry. He's quite obviously English. He should have never declared if he had no interest in sticking around. Jack Grealish at least never played for us at senior level. We're a country, not a club to use as a stepping stone.

  • @SpiralPegasus
    @SpiralPegasus Před 17 hodinami

    Rules should be harsher. Only allow them to play for their homeland.

  • @adamclark1972uk
    @adamclark1972uk Před 28 dny

    Regarding how to watch football, wouldn't it be better if TV cameras were located behind the goal instead of on the side at the halfway line? The pitch is rectangular with goalposts at the end.

  • @HighLordBlazeReborn
    @HighLordBlazeReborn Před 20 dny +1

    Basically, a way for first world countries to poach the best of the developing world while barring anything those countries could do to build a team/structure for the future. I get why they did it, but you have to admit there's a bit of weirdness here.

  • @fabianandresdevacaaquino511

    In the past, rules were more strict but in a different way. A player could only be called up if playing in the national league. In Paraguay, Arsenio Erico never played for the NT as he was in Independiente, Argentina, who also tried to convince him to play for them but he rejected

    • @zsac18
      @zsac18 Před 24 dny

      That's not true. Perhaps certain federations would only pick players playing in their own leagues because of national pride or bias but there was never an official restriction for a national team picking players playing outside their country's league.

  • @MrEwragg
    @MrEwragg Před 18 dny

    Worth noting that you can also play due to residency so living in a country for a certain period of time

  • @ShadowElectricity
    @ShadowElectricity Před 6 dny +1

    What about Diego Costa? Didn't he switch 2 or 3 times?

  • @aplx23
    @aplx23 Před měsícem +1

    Where am I going to be able to get the book?

  • @AnistaraAiata
    @AnistaraAiata Před dnem

    Mann, so even 20 years ago, Qatar been trying some sneaky stuff 😂

  • @BobSehul
    @BobSehul Před 7 dny

    Wait a minute, so how did the French national team show a clear ancestral link?

  • @ChriSX13
    @ChriSX13 Před měsícem +1

    the irish guy is foaming at the mouth at the mention of declan rice

  • @mpumelelobeyers957
    @mpumelelobeyers957 Před 29 dny

    We have a whole Sierra Leone man play for Deutsch/Germania
    -International tournaments are some horse shii.

  • @WONMARK
    @WONMARK Před měsícem +11

    France has been really quiet since this dropped.

    • @MithridatesIX
      @MithridatesIX Před 22 dny +3

      Tifo didn't add that being born in a country is enough for FIFA to recognize you as elligible to represent that country.

    • @cryptocsguy9282
      @cryptocsguy9282 Před 19 hodinami

      @WONMARK most of their black players were born in France

  • @gumnutgear
    @gumnutgear Před měsícem +2

    The great Timmy Cahill is where this really started

    • @skoczek777
      @skoczek777 Před měsícem

      Tim Cahill's brother represented Samoa

    • @HarryWessex
      @HarryWessex Před měsícem

      How?

    • @gumnutgear
      @gumnutgear Před měsícem +4

      He played for western Samoa u20 when he was 14. Took years of lobbying before he was allowed to play for Australia

    • @HarryWessex
      @HarryWessex Před měsícem +1

      @@gumnutgear Ah okay, as a Millwall fan I didn't know that 😅

  • @jibster148
    @jibster148 Před 26 dny +2

    Look at Frances current squad and you tell me whether it represents France

  • @lukasphotiou2445
    @lukasphotiou2445 Před dnem

    Play for the country that you were born in or the country that you've lived most of your life in. Anything more is unnecessary.

  • @qartheros
    @qartheros Před měsícem +2

    How come China played with two Brazilian forwards in the world cup qualifier with Thailand this week?

    • @irishgodfatherchris
      @irishgodfatherchris Před měsícem

      The Phillipines has a Swede as their striker and Indonesia just yesterday fielded a team where 7 of the players were born in the Netherlands.

    • @thiagoveloso7610
      @thiagoveloso7610 Před měsícem

      They were naturalized chinese before the rule change

    • @trashAndNoStar
      @trashAndNoStar Před měsícem +2

      ​@@irishgodfatherchrisNo idea about other countries but all Dutch-born Indonesian NT players do have Indonesian ancestry. We have colonial history with the Netherlands from the 17th to mid 20th century; it's not uncommon for today's Dutch people to have Indonesian heritage albeit very small/far off.

    • @kingofnone8565
      @kingofnone8565 Před měsícem

      ​@@trashAndNoStar (neo)colonialism always wins in the end.
      Soekarno and the gang had been tripping back then lmao 🤣

  • @julienbristow-goldschmidt7418
    @julienbristow-goldschmidt7418 Před měsícem +12

    Imagine if players simply played for the nations they’re actually part of. “My grandmother was English so I’ll play for England even though I’ve never been there.” They should represent countries they’re emotionally attached to and not the ones where they feel best chances to win trophies.

    • @skoczek777
      @skoczek777 Před měsícem +6

      History writes different stories and who are you to decide whether one should or should not choose the country one represents?
      It's impossible to regulate something of a subjective feeling.
      Especially if the opposite case, it is the player chooses to play in weaker national team, because one has more chance to play international football at all, also may happen.

    • @Chloethemarxenjoyer
      @Chloethemarxenjoyer Před měsícem +3

      Many do. You can't mandate a feeling anyhow.

    • @julienbristow-goldschmidt7418
      @julienbristow-goldschmidt7418 Před měsícem +3

      @@skoczek777 there are regular laws and regulations each country has to determine citizenship. Football players shouldn’t be allowed to make up their own rules. If you don’t find Brazilian players living in Germany being called up for Qatar an issue then I can’t help you.

    • @23_CM
      @23_CM Před měsícem +2

      @@julienbristow-goldschmidt7418 In some cases, you can get dual citizenship through a parent. There have been Nigerian players who were born in the USA and England who qualified through their parents. There’s nothing wrong with that.

    • @julienbristow-goldschmidt7418
      @julienbristow-goldschmidt7418 Před měsícem +4

      @@23_CM And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that as long as there’s an actual connection to a country. My issues are around things like Brazilians becoming Qataris because they throw money at them. Issue is when players “pick” a nation that suits them rather than playing for the one they feel connected to in reality.

  • @GravellordNito
    @GravellordNito Před 12 dny

    Damn, looking at the teams nowadays, they don't seem to be too strict with it

  • @ludoviclemaignen9432
    @ludoviclemaignen9432 Před měsícem +1

    The good old times when Qatar did not dictate FIFA's policies

  • @SignorAkbar3000
    @SignorAkbar3000 Před měsícem +1

    11:48 & 12:32

  • @robertcena9194
    @robertcena9194 Před 9 dny

    So, could Brahim change back and play for Spain in a couple of years?

  • @user-di6nt4ni1k
    @user-di6nt4ni1k Před měsícem +12

    The Irish guy wasn't happy about rice😂😂

    • @Jake_05_
      @Jake_05_ Před měsícem +1

      plenty of other irish guys were aswell

  • @Questioneverything2050
    @Questioneverything2050 Před 6 dny +1

    Once Qatar took advantage of a system that Europeans benefit from, the rules were changed. Typical western lore

  • @SGb_08888
    @SGb_08888 Před měsícem +3

    But what about Arymic Laprote's? case

    • @Hadar1991
      @Hadar1991 Před měsícem +1

      He is a Basque, most of Basques live in Spain and they have their autonomy their. France control small fragments of Basque Country, but probably Spain can claim that Basques are one of the few ethnic groups that collectively are called Spaniards (Andalusians, Aragonese, Asturians, Balearics, Basques, Canary Islanders, Cantabrians, Castilians, Catalans, Extremadurans, Galicians, Leonese, Valencians) even if Laporte nor his closest family did not live in Spain. Whereas France is hostile to ethnic minorities, you are supposed to be French. In other words somebody can identify as Basque AND Spaniard, while in France you are either French or Basque, but definitely not both. Laporte case was viewed in France very negatively as someone who abandon his "Frenchness" in favour of more regional roots.

    • @zsac18
      @zsac18 Před 24 dny +3

      @@Hadar1991 It has nothing to do with his basque identity. Laporte went to Spain when he was 16 and lived there until he was 24 (8 years). FIFA allows you to play for a country you have no ancestral links to (he has no Spanish ancestry) if you earn citizenship to the country (he has) and have been living in the country for at least 5 years. Since he joined Athletic Bilbao in 2010, he'd have been eligible to play for France all his life and Spain since 2015 (when he turned 21). It's the same reason why Le Normand is playing for Spain in the Euros despite not having any ancestral links to Spain and being 300000% baguette baguette French.

    • @Hadar1991
      @Hadar1991 Před 24 dny

      @@zsac18 In some sense his Basque ancestry played a role, otherwise he would never became Athletic Bilbao player. But still thanks for clarifying. :)

  • @hucklebucklin
    @hucklebucklin Před 7 dny

    How does the ancestral cap work with adopted players? 😅

  • @guillaumegiroux9425
    @guillaumegiroux9425 Před měsícem +3

    I know in Rugby Union, Romania was disqualified from the 2019 World Cup because, in one of it’s qualifier, a sub had played for another country during a Rugby 7’s tournament something like a decade earlier. So harsh.

  • @aali3835
    @aali3835 Před měsícem +1

    I reckon this rule is for irshell they get away with anything

  • @Ese96Agoaye
    @Ese96Agoaye Před měsícem +13

    That loophole Qatar took advantage of should be closed in rugby also. There are players (Michael Leitch for instance) who play for a country they have no ancestral link to.

    • @Chloethemarxenjoyer
      @Chloethemarxenjoyer Před měsícem +14

      No ancestral link should be acceptable but only if you grew up there (obviously)

    • @noeldown1952
      @noeldown1952 Před měsícem +10

      Leitch went to high school in Japan and has lived there ever since. I don't see anything wrong with his eligibility.

    • @Ese96Agoaye
      @Ese96Agoaye Před měsícem

      I'd retract this by saying why shouldn't he be allowed to play for Japan?! Why should he remain in the international wilderness?

    • @alexisauld7781
      @alexisauld7781 Před měsícem

      Gosh, imagine if the various Pacific Islanders seeded through all the international rugby teams were allowed to play for their home nations instead of being swiped by the richer ones. NZ, Aus, England etc would never see the world cup in their cabinets again!

    • @scythermantis
      @scythermantis Před měsícem +2

      absolutely no one in Japan would say Michael Leitch is not Japanese
      What, are we requiring DNA tests now?

  • @nguyendong9416
    @nguyendong9416 Před měsícem

    Give this man a like guys!

  • @mattle841
    @mattle841 Před 11 dny

    Someone explain laportes switch to me please. Wasn't he 27 when he switched?

  • @anirudh7133
    @anirudh7133 Před měsícem

    except in india

  • @VaishnavNegi
    @VaishnavNegi Před měsícem

    That Cap lock rule was so bad. Glad that they relaxed it.

  • @CoreyPeters
    @CoreyPeters Před 11 dny

    Players shouldn't be allowed to switch

  • @MrJorge3010
    @MrJorge3010 Před měsícem +20

    Inb4 people bringing up France for no valid reason

    • @nathan225
      @nathan225 Před měsícem +7

      It’s cause we’re the best, no one talks about Belgium and their Congolese players or Italy with their South American players but want to complain about players born, raised, and bred in France just because of how successful and talented they are.

    • @josuensiama1777
      @josuensiama1777 Před měsícem +9

      ​@@nathan225Belgium and Congolese is a very tricky case

    • @josuebarboza9809
      @josuebarboza9809 Před měsícem +24

      Any nation that lets itself be replaced by others is morally sick.
      That's that

    • @MrJorge3010
      @MrJorge3010 Před měsícem +16

      @@josuebarboza9809 No one is "replacing" anyone, you're making an argument based on a false premise.

    • @josuebarboza9809
      @josuebarboza9809 Před měsícem +19

      @@MrJorge3010 they're literally being replaced in the national team.

  • @aadeshdhote4802
    @aadeshdhote4802 Před měsícem

    Does the reverse decision need to be made before reaching the age of 22?

  • @Manu-b5k
    @Manu-b5k Před 26 dny +1

    Indonesia:🗿

  • @Hadar1991
    @Hadar1991 Před měsícem

    Wait, Roger Guerreiro had no ancestral link to Poland, was given Polish citizenship in 2008 (he was granted the citizenship directly by president, so skipping normal procedures and requirements) and played 25 matches for Poland. So something does not add up here...

    • @trashAndNoStar
      @trashAndNoStar Před měsícem

      Idk about his specific case but it seems to be allowed if you've lived there continuously for x years (thus preventing the Qatar case where they just threw money at random players who didn't even live/play there to naturalise them).
      Latest case i know is Dean Huijsen (Juve player on loan to Roma). Dutch-born, both parents are Dutch, moved to Spain with his family as a child. Was a Dutch national but recently became Spanish citizen and got called up to Spanish NT training camp.

    • @Hadar1991
      @Hadar1991 Před měsícem

      @@trashAndNoStar Yeah, Roger Guerreiro was playing in Polish league for few years before getting the citizenship. So probably this video just oversimplified.

    • @ALittleMessi
      @ALittleMessi Před 29 dny

      ​@Hadar1991 usually if you become a naturalized citizen they allow it. How that's different from what Qatar did is a thin line in a rule book. However it makes more sense for kids that spent years in a new country like Messi being asked to play for Spain. It's very tricky to say the least

  • @Dialehoum
    @Dialehoum Před 5 dny

    So does Lamine Yamal still has Morocco as an option ?

  • @nandinhocunha440
    @nandinhocunha440 Před měsícem

    Portugal with Deco and pepe

    • @Hadar1991
      @Hadar1991 Před měsícem

      They were Brazilians. Almost all Brazilians have some Portuguese roots.

  • @Ewerboweski
    @Ewerboweski Před měsícem +4

    This why teams like your england are nearly central african teams? France and netherlands etc.

    • @MithridatesIX
      @MithridatesIX Před 22 dny

      Tifo didn't add that being born/being raised in a country is enough for you to represent that country. Also apart from Brobbey and Frimpong every Dutch player has an ancestral link to the Netherlands.

    • @cryptocsguy9282
      @cryptocsguy9282 Před 19 hodinami

      @Ewerboweski Is that a problem ?

  • @TeejR18
    @TeejR18 Před 12 dny

    Musiala why ! 😭

  • @ALittleMessi
    @ALittleMessi Před 29 dny

    Colonialism and how its treated have made things a lot messier. You'll look at immigration with cases like France and things get murkier than everyone would like. Sadly it also depends on the player's skill like in the case of Rice/Grealish, if they are good enough a bigger country will likely take them

  • @user-il2nm5fj9e
    @user-il2nm5fj9e Před 27 dny +3

    Please note: this rule is not applicable to French national team
    French national team are allowed to rule africa

    • @user-pj2so3qv4l
      @user-pj2so3qv4l Před 26 dny +14

      almost all of the french national team were born in france, and have lived there long enough

    • @ItsShahed17
      @ItsShahed17 Před 25 dny

      It's so stupid so just because they happen to be African but born, bread and raised in France, they can't represent it?

    • @jay7949
      @jay7949 Před 25 dny

      @@user-pj2so3qv4lthey’re not French, they’re african

  • @thecomplexindividual
    @thecomplexindividual Před měsícem +1

    Can Tomori play for Canada?

    • @alanfox691
      @alanfox691 Před měsícem +1

      Canada & Scotland both need all the players they can get.
      I am Scottish seen Canada a supple of times & they are just as bad as us.

    • @zsac18
      @zsac18 Před 24 dny +2

      Not anymore, unfortunately. He could have played for Canada through a loophole (the same Munir El Hadddi used to play for Morroco) considering the current regulation only became active in 2020 and by that time, he only had 1 cap for England by the time he was 21 (he turned 21 in 2019).
      But after he played his second game for England in 2021, he became cap-tied, meaning he's stuck with England.
      The new rules say that if you're 21 or older and you played any game for a country before turning 21 (youth or senior) and haven't requested a change, you stay tied to that country forever (even if you never get picked again and you have citizenship to another country). Also if you're 21 or older and you play a game for a country, you're also stuck with that country forever.

    • @thecomplexindividual
      @thecomplexindividual Před 24 dny

      That's unfortunate for him, locked in ​@@zsac18

    • @cryptocsguy9282
      @cryptocsguy9282 Před 19 hodinami

      @@alanfox691 No Canada are much better than Scotland

  • @AJJesko
    @AJJesko Před 13 dny

    I dont like it. If you move to a different country as a kid for example and later become a citizen, thats your home, even if you dont technically have ancestry there.
    It should be more along the lines of you cant just get citizenship for the competition. You should have actually lived in that country for a decent amount of time in the past maybe?

  • @HighChieftainXurukk
    @HighChieftainXurukk Před měsícem

    "katsar" zestiest way to say qatar

  • @user-wn1oo5uc8o
    @user-wn1oo5uc8o Před 24 dny

    Wait.. how Camavinga plays for France then? He was not born in there neither are his parents. Не just immigrated there as a child and have a citizenship. Does this count as ancestral link?

    • @ghanaboy49
      @ghanaboy49 Před 8 dny +1

      You answered your question. He has French citizenship making him eligible to play for France

  • @lyndaek99
    @lyndaek99 Před měsícem +1

    I don't get the ancestral link part. It can only be for naturalized players I guess otherwise it eliminates too many actual citizens. Eg You are an American citizen because you were born there but no ancestry as your parents are from somewhere else. Does that mean you couldn't represent the US?

    • @Hex___666
      @Hex___666 Před měsícem

      No

    • @Cad4rn
      @Cad4rn Před měsícem +4

      So lets say your us american (born and raised) but your father is born in canada and your mother in mexico, additionally your grandparents are from (born in) germany, italy,france and england. My understanding is that you would be eligable for all of those countries. it gets even more complicated if youd move to lets say brazil as a child, i think that would add to the list if you stay there long enough.

  • @Wobbleninja
    @Wobbleninja Před měsícem

    Haaland play for England

  • @iluvmyjill
    @iluvmyjill Před 12 dny

    Those damn English, first they took our potatoes then they took our rice.

  • @LiamWTFbruh
    @LiamWTFbruh Před měsícem

    Would this allow Messi to play for the United States? Even so, he wouldn’t want it but just wondering

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock Před měsícem +2

      No.

    • @ALittleMessi
      @ALittleMessi Před 29 dny +3

      No
      1. He's too old, there's a cutoff
      2. He's got way too many appearances for Argentina, and at major tournaments
      3. He's not a US citizen
      4. He hasn't lived there nearly long enough to be naturalized or have any grounds for it

  • @RastaIsHoly
    @RastaIsHoly Před měsícem

    Can you reverse you decision even after the age of 21???

  • @christianlenik5307
    @christianlenik5307 Před 2 dny

    Meanwhile Ukraines Marlos or Russias Mario Fernandes 😂😂😂

    • @cryptocsguy9282
      @cryptocsguy9282 Před 19 hodinami

      @christinalenik5307 Soon Ukrainian players will receive Russian citizenship and be able to play for Russia lol

  • @speedart8st395
    @speedart8st395 Před měsícem +1

    Ancestry? DNA tests r illegal in Israel...how r u gonna check them

  • @Darth_Benga
    @Darth_Benga Před měsícem +5

    International eligibility rules are a joke. Guehi, Konsa, Mainoo, Eze, Saka. None of these are English yet all play for England.

    • @irishgodfatherchris
      @irishgodfatherchris Před měsícem +10

      Saka is from London, so is Konsa, Guehi has lived in the UK since he was one year old, Mainoo is from Stockport and Eze is from Greenwich.

    • @Darth_Benga
      @Darth_Benga Před měsícem +6

      @@irishgodfatherchris I don't care where they were born. None of them are ethnically English

    • @NewtTehGuy
      @NewtTehGuy Před měsícem +12

      @@Darth_Benga National teams are about nationality not ethnicity

    • @trashAndNoStar
      @trashAndNoStar Před měsícem +7

      Going by your stone-age standards, no countries in the America and Oceania continents could put together enough players for a single team. Good thing we dont go by that 🤷.

    • @Darth_Benga
      @Darth_Benga Před měsícem +5

      @@trashAndNoStar only Europe is diluted in this way. You don't see it happening to African or Asian teams so your takedown of my "stoneage" standards is flat out wrong

  • @-humsafar
    @-humsafar Před 14 dny

    🙄after money

  • @luckycatdad8369
    @luckycatdad8369 Před 20 dny +1

    Misleading title. You're talking about Association Football, not football.

  • @matt2YT
    @matt2YT Před měsícem

  • @EmArgh
    @EmArgh Před měsícem

    Look at Scotland. If you buy a dog north of the border, you're basically eligible

  • @jay7949
    @jay7949 Před 25 dny

    They need to get rid of the 5 year citizenship rule and go back to origin, France & England for example, mbappe and saka should be playing for African nations, not European ones

  • @Infinite.Consciousness

    FIFA is weak for that idc what rethoric you’d use.. it is just ridiculous

  • @flyingcolumn16
    @flyingcolumn16 Před měsícem +1

    Declan rice also played 3 senior matches for Ireland, it wasn’t just youth. Jack Grealish played only youth for the ROI

  •  Před měsícem

    Look at the people playing basketball in europe.

  • @davidmirandajr
    @davidmirandajr Před 5 dny

    💰

  • @kevincantley
    @kevincantley Před měsícem

    Country of birth only 😢

  • @sanndisoeryadi6521
    @sanndisoeryadi6521 Před 6 dny

    African player play for some European teams🏃

  • @leongallego6564
    @leongallego6564 Před měsícem +6

    How far does the "lineage" have to go. Does this rule apply for France???

    • @robs7163
      @robs7163 Před měsícem +21

      The rule is that you must have been born in the country, have lived there for at least two years prior to turning 18, or have a parent or grandparent who was born there.

    • @skoczek777
      @skoczek777 Před měsícem +6

      Yes, otherwise these players couldn't represent France.
      Every single one of them has either at least one grandparent from the country they represent or had been born there.

    • @sususegar
      @sususegar Před měsícem +2

      ​@@robs7163two years before 18 is way too short. They should apply something like staying in a country for 200 days within 10 consecutive years before 18, in some ways similar to how taxation or visa works for working adults. It's still too easy for some nations to mess around.

    • @robs7163
      @robs7163 Před měsícem +3

      @@sususegar I just looked it up to make sure I was remembering it correctly and it turns out I was not quite. If you or your parents/grandparents are not born to a country, you must have been a resident of that country for at least five years if your residency began at age ten or older, or at least three years if that residency began at less than ten years. In addition, you must have a valid passport of the nation which you wish to represent.
      I also forgot to mention that you can also be eligible to represent a country if either of your parents are citizens of that country at the time of your birth - even if they were not born there.

    • @robs7163
      @robs7163 Před měsícem +5

      @@sususegar in other words, if you and your immediate ancestors were not born to or citizens of a particular country, you must have lived in that country from before you turned 13 to be eligible for them

  • @southernafricanboy4148
    @southernafricanboy4148 Před 25 dny +1

    I think to represent a country you should be BORN THERE
    Like our Springbok rugby team all of them were born and raised in South Africa 👍💪

    • @TheColdestplay
      @TheColdestplay Před 4 dny

      no not really. if your Portuguese parents had you while they were living in Germany for 3 years and then went back to Portugal you would then have to play for Germany. even though you might not speak a word of German or have any knowledge of German culture since you're through and through portuguese.