How Laziness RUINED Neymar's Best Friend
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- Ganso was once one of the hottest young prospects in world football. The Brazilian was a silky smooth operator and a calm presence at a very young age in a position that usually requires a good bit of experience to thrive (DM).
However, his career didn't turn out the way we all thought it would. In this video, we're gonna talk about it.
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00:00 - Introduction
01:58 - A star in the making
03:07 - Neymar and Ganso: an unexpected friendship
04:28 - The height of the hype
06:47 - The Cracks begin to show
08:40 - European failure
10:13 - Was the hype misguided?
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"I miss a version of Ganso that never existed"
This quote is hitting me hard. Seems like someone is talking about my life even I'm not an athlete...🙂
Nah you're perfect the way you are, bro 😂
Your statement cut deep bro. I sometimes feel the same, but hopefully we have time!
We all have that 'What If' which we never woke up.
Tostão is one of the few Brazilian geniuses alive. He was one of the greatest players and today he is an incredible writer. I never miss the opportunity to read his chronicles in the Folha de São Paulo newspaper. And he still has a degree in medicine! Hahaha
It’s never too late. Strive for more and you’ll get it.
The streets remember Ganso in FIFA 2013 with the worst stamina.
He is very slow. Always has been. People Just doesn't notice back then, because of his skills and talent
@@GoddessOfMoon616 his speed has nothing to do with his technique which was something out of this world. Had this kid not been so laziness he would've been a midfield general
@@GoddessOfMoon616 Wrong. Ganso was fast but he blew out his knee, he was out of action for 1 year and after the surgery he was never the same.
I disagree, as a Santos fan, and someone who was always at the stadium watching him, before his injured in 2011, he was very mobile, he even was leading Brazilians national league in tackles (over defenders). For me it’s clear the injury on his knee was a big factor for his decline.
He was lazy as fuck.
Preguiçoso pra carai
cara, eu assisti um treino do Santos em 2010, Robinho, Neymar e Ganso. ali deu pra ver claramente que o Robinho e o Neymar eram muito superiores a ele. Mesmo com essa suposta lesão que acabou com a carreira dele, ele não daria certo na europa. como o proprio Seedorf disse: muito lento pra jogar na europa.
But someone can say players like R9 had similar injuries and made most of his opportunities
@@kap1526 Ganso was lazy and slow to play in europe. period!
I watched him up close and like many other Brazilians, we all saw him as equal to or even better than Neymar at many points. The issue is that his game is outdated and many other players with skillsets that are similar also struggle in Europe. The lack of work rate and injuries made it so he couldn’t adapt at all. Not to mention his ridiculous ego. To this day he’s still hated by many because he seems to think that he’s in any way special. So you can imagine what it was like when being compared to Zidane.
That's a real shame. I remember hearing about him before hearing about Neymar and thought once he got to Europe he would be unstoppable...
Couldn't agree more, and also "outside the pitch," he had some messy personal relationships that definitely contributed to all of it.
@@mateusfernando5847 like what?
and neymar was an absolute beast. I had never seen nothing compared at the time. I was 12
Oh you made me nostalgic. I nearly forgot about that lad. Thanks for bringing the memories back.
No worries!
dude if you “nearly forgot” about him is cause you’ve never seen him playing at all 😂
Search for Ganso Fluminense 2022 here on CZcams. There's a video from 2 months ago, channel name is futcrown. You're welcome
Nice to see international channels talking about Ganso. And you did your research really well, but I just wish you had mentioned the key games for Sevilla that made him look horrible. I remember one in particular that was against Real Madrid at Santiago Bernabeu. His laziness got exposed when he got his big chance and then it was downhill from there.
I'm a São Paulo fan and he was the most frustrating player I've ever seen in sports.
He was a good 1v1 tackler, maybe he could have adapted his game to a contending midfielder role, but he was sluggish and was easily guarded because of his lack of movement. (Like Seedorf says. They were comparing Ganso to Pirlo and talking how he could play Pirlo's role, then Seedorf said something like "no, no, no. Pirlo moves a lot. It might not look like he does but he does. Ganso doesn't").
He also knew how to shoot a ball but never really trained to become a freekick specialist, which would have made him a more valuable piece even if he lacked the intensity.
But the worst part was how he would have 2 genius games, displaying his top notch vision and close relationship with the ball, and then 10 below average games in a row lol this lack of consistency defined his days before he became garbage. Now he's constantly bad and hasn't played for Fluminense in months (injury and coach's option), but back then he would deceive fans.
If he had more work ethic and practiced free kicks, he could have become a one footed (his right foot really wasn't good) Walmart version of De Bruyne. Honestly, this would have been more than enough to become a force in Brazilian football and maybe even become a decent player in Europe.
I enjoyed reading that, very nice insight. Thanks
As a Brazilian and Santos FC fan, I can guarantee you that everyone expected more from Ganso than Neymar, Ganso was amazing before his Sad injure, till this day you can see some glances of his greatness but he lost all his speed and explosiveness.
Its sad to see youngsters like him coming from our club going down like this, I wish he ended like Neymar, Felipe Anderson and Alex Sandro, ALL great and stablished players from our 2009-2011 Santos...
Everyone? Lol
I thought Ganso would become world-class, but I always knew Neymar was gonna be better… and a lot of people thought the same
@@Usario321 Then you didn't watched football back then
I'm also santista, I remember people debating ganso x neymar but it wasnt as if everyone thought ganso was best. Plus, the professional world expected more from Neymar since day one. Nike signed him when he was 13 or so, Real madrid was running after him and we all remember how his debut against oeste was highly expected, those are all things ganso never lived. Ganso had a couple of fantastic seasons while Neymar was a kid us supporters were expecting since long before he started playing pro
@@GoddessOfMoon616 Definitely did watch. He is right they both were very good. BUG Neymar was obviously the more talented one.
Há controvérsias. Muita gente lembrava de Diego-Robinho nessa comparação aí. E muita gente sempre achou o Neymar mais jogador, até por ser mais novo e fazer tanta, ou mais, diferença quanto.
Such a technically gifted operator..... could've been the next rivaldo
Honestly, all I remember about Ganso is that in Football Manager games of years ago he was an FM God. It's sad to see how he didn't live up to his hype, but not eveeryone can sadly.
I remember getting in fifa 12 manager mode his growth was insane
Same. Then he seemed to just fall off from the actual football world.
Honestly, I have a rom of FM13 on PSP and he's always my first get in the game lol. On that game you can also get Neymar for free in the second season >.>
Also gabriel barbarosa.
@@Botosanipeople Mas Gabriel conseguiu construir uma grande carreira no Brasil, mesmo sendo muito novo.
Ganso não conseguiu se consolidar na Europa nem na América do sul.
Real ones remember Ganso. He and Neymar were a dynamic duo.
I miss this 2010-2011 Santos. Ganso was a genious. He helped Neymar to get attention of the world. If I would compare, Ganso played like an Ozil style. Absolute genious. But after the injury, he was never the same.
crazy how two of the biggest brazilian "failed" wonderkids are known by the nicknames "goose" and "duck" (ganso and pato). even crazier is that both were born in the same year
Luck was not with them
There was one at Barcelona too. Can’t remember is name though. I know it’s not Kerlon (the seal).
@@007Fusiion keiresson former barça. He was a machine goal before arriving at barça
@@edoardosecreto4775 Thank you. That’s his name. Man, his career took a nose dive. But I don’t think he’s named after a bird like the others.
Pato isn't a failure injuries ruined him
its not about laziness. Ganso teared his Anterior cruciate ligament in both left and right knees, this ligament is responsible for knee and leg stablity. its basically impossible to perform in high level when you're submitted to an injury like that. As a brazillian and Santos supporter i've seen Ganso play a lot and it was insane, its a shame we didn't get to see him at his prime
And now, on My Fluminense, is playing his best since Santos. The Year is Promissing.
I'm a Santos fan, and the rise of Neymar and Ganso coincided with the moment I started taking football more seriously. Ganso was incredible. I've yet to see a player do so much with so few touches in Brazilian football (keep in mind I'm 25). Dude was a control tower, balls reached him and he would redistribute smartly so quickly. An absolute Maestro in his best days.
Palmeiras sem mundial kk
@@franciscowellington7082 Por mim, que nunca tenha kkkkkkkk
Look, I'm Brazilian, so I've watched this unfold from a close distance.
Although Ganso really is kinda lazy, his knee injuries were way more significant than people believe. He has never been the same since that.
And yes, he was actually better than Neymar at his peak
At the end of the day, the pure natural #10 is a role which has almost disappeared. If you are a natural #10 in modern football, it will be very difficult to succeed unless you are willing to work very hard and to adapt to other creative roles on the pitch such as winger, support striker, raumdeuter, midfielder, etc. like many players have done
This video is another banger. I completely forgot about Ganso
It's true. Ganso was playing a lot at Santos, he was even called up to the national team, but after his injury he was never the same. It is a pity. That happens in football unfortunately.
I remember Neymar hype very well at Santos, Ganso was still wanted by many European clubs but Neymar being younger, fresher and because of that got bigger attention from general public. I personally think Neymar stint at Santos is very underrated moment of modern football, it is not even being mentioned by press and public how much he has achieved so early in his career.
In my honest opinion, Ganso's playstyle was a little bit outdated for Europe even then, mid-tier defenders knew how to defend against it, coaches at big clubs did not use players like him anymore. Sure, he could have work his playstyle around, to adept and improve but that requires another level of sacrifice which he wasn't willing to take. If he only played football in 90's, early 00's, he would have pretty nice stint in Europe but by the time he actually emerged, Europe had enough of that playstyle and clubs/coaches asked for something different.
Nice video by the way, looking forward for more content from you. :)
What Neymar did in Santos will go down as Brazilian history . But in comparison to actual football in the 21st century it’s nothing. Since Neymar came to Europe almost a decade ago he’s only scored 150 goals , and his form for Brazil slowed down tremendously. If Neymar stayed in Brazil he’d be at 700 goals rn .. but are those goals worth more then Messi’s, Ronaldo’s etc.. absolutely not
@@jackmanders7077 150 goals is a lot bro... Considering how many times he got injured too. If you look at his numbers in each club, then you'll see that in Santos he had the "worst" productivity in his career.
@@jackmanders7077 No
Neymar has more than 150 goals in Europe.
I don't know correctly,but he has 120+ goals in barca itself.
Now include his psg and Brazil ones.
Overall he has 401 goals, 220+ assists in 650+ games
His G/A to games ratio is better than thousands of footballers. Yes thousands
@@kaizenryan3390 105 for Barca in all comps
I totally agree with you. Ganso would be a brilliant middle fielder in the 1994 World Cup.
this made me think of one of the first viral football videos i remember of i think a Brazilian named Kerlon who mid match started dribbling the ball with headers. At the time I assumed he was going to be the next big star but i'm not even sure I've heard his name since, if i even got it right. It was a cool video at the time, pretty standard stuff nowadays but back then that seemed like insane skill.
Just watched him
He dribbles better with his head than me with my foot
Yes . It was around 2005 / 2006 . Me as well thought that maybe in one or two years he will be one of the top players - I think even Inter Milan bought him but he barely ever got playing time and since then I never heared of him again . Nice to see that there are still some people that know him .
I think also in 2005 there was this brazilian kid Jean Carlos Chera . I think he was 9 at the time and played with 16 year olds . They said he was a talent of a century but also in case of him you never really heared anything from him again . I wonder if he even went a pro but I don ' t know where he is playing or even if he still plays .
Well, you probably knows nothing about football to think that some player Will become a legend because of this kind of malabarism...
Kelvin from Porto as well
Haven't even started watching the vid yet, but I know it's gonna be class! This channel deserves atleast a million subs.
You're the real MVP❤️
The "Bordeaux Wine" of football. I remember how Milan was after him, but Santos slapped a 30 million Euro price on him (at the time, a very high price). This video takes me back in time ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽
👍👍
Wow. He would have been playing with Robinho and Pato..maybe that would help hm settle in
@@micahkiyimba8641 I remember playing him in Football Manager 2010. He wasn't just a wonderkid in that game. He was already a star :))
indeed
Ganso was expected to be a huge superstar in Europe too. Unfortunately it didn't materialize.
Every time you picked up a football magazine in the early 2010s there would be a full two page spread on ganso. I remember Oscar and ganso being called the future of Brazilian football so many times
I remember being so happy when Chelsea bought Oscar back then.
Brazil had quite a few great players coming up
Neymar, Ganso, Moura, Oscar, Pato
@@Iamwhatyousayiam Oscar kinda lived up to the hype, but decided to make money in China instead. He's pretty much a legend there nowadays though
I like the layout of these videos, simple and concise, job well done mate
Ganso was the on his way to being the best cam 😭 you surprised me on this one homie I’m Brazilian and we were so hyped for him 😕😕😕
Oh I think I’m 2011 santos won the treble, and I REALLY wish he went to ac Milan 🥺
I heard about Ganso before I heard about Neymar. Had such high hopes for him :(
GANSO once played here in Bolivia in a Copa Libertadores Match.. and His moves, his level, his vision of the game, his passes, OMG and Different kind of player and higger upper lever, but we can say he didnt get to give his best in the greatest leagues thats sad
I love the Rise of this kind of Channels, just fckn awesome these Storylines and Story telling. Just love for you💙❤
Streets wont forget Ganso before the knee injury
I remember seeing Ganso, I wish he made it just like Adu.
Adu never made it
Meaning he failed just like adu
@@joaocoelho9754 He wishes he made it like he wishes Adu made it!
Yeah man shame to see guys like Adu and Ganso never made it😢. Or what about Ben Arfa or Robinho😢
@@UnitedPacci well Robiho kinda made it he played for RM and ACM was very influenceial for both of them. Definitely under achieved but had a somewhat decent carrer
Amazing video 👏🏿
Love the content you put out bro
Damn I had almost forgotten ganso..... I remember in fifa 2012 or 13 .... He was one of the most highly rated players and within 2-3 seasons he would reach 90+ rating
Facts
Great video, it's funny to think that you did it in January 2022 and after that Ganso had a great season for Fluminense, being one of their key players
That closing line was everything 🤯 Great essay 👌🏾😑👌🏾
This channel is massively underated
one of the best descent youtube vid I've seen so far
I remember back then I thought Ganso would have a better career than Neymar :(
I remember that was a very popular opinion too
Same with Ronaldo and Quaresma back in the déy
You hit the nail in the head with everything you said in the video.
Brilliant video as always
Cheers!
As a brazilian is not laziness. His knee injury has taken most of his talent. I'm São Paulo supporter and he played to my team after Santos and healed his injury but he was never the same. It's clear to many altough no one public acknowledge that Ganso just kept in football/soccer the way he could to prolong his carreer in big teams as long as he can to earn sufficient for his retirement. Dude gave all his life to the sport and problably it's all he knows to do well. Some people don't like him, think he's self entitled but all his career he wasn't invoveld in any controversial, neither had partied hard. He had always left his family far from the public eye (he's married with kid and I've seen them only once on TV). In this context he's different from others like Neymar. He is also very short in words when giving interviews...and I personally think he also had severe emotional problems after his injury. He used to have more joy, he became a different person after his health problems.
Your videos and your voice are really chill
It makes me relax and satisfy my football videos watch time
Thanks man!
This nice story deserves my subscription !
I feel warm inside every time when I see a new Football Iconic video, but we don't talk about that😁
Similar idea to this one would be a showcase in Yoann Gourcuff. I remember compilations making him look like a Zidane reboot
Dude bossed it at Bordeaux when they won the league. Great video idea!
@@FootballIconic Thank you! Great work!
at least Gourcuff did won a league as a key player in his resume with Bordeaux to end Lyon's dominance.
Also Javier Pastore
@@FootballIconic Yes please. Always wonder what happen to Gourcuff. Why has he sucked since winning it was his move to Lyon?
3:32 using a brazilian meme for this video seems very fitting haha. Also, I'm loving your channel man, great video, we brazilians always get excited when "gringos" make videos about our stuff haha
There's always a good reason to insert that Aguero clip😂 Another great video. Tbf, I'd never really heard of this lad myself but its certainly an interesting concept for a video series: "The Nearly-There Boys"
just played probably his best game in the last 5 years last week, helping Fluminense win a trophy it hadn't won since 2012, guy still got some magic in him, just an old school player in the modern football era
Ah Ganso,
I remember him almost got signed by Inter Milan.
And then he suddenly gone.
I think he’s just unfortunate because modern football doesn’t use “number 10” position anymore.
Great video mate
Congratulations on this great non-eurocentric take on Ganso! I too thought that he would the a world class talent back in the day. Ironically, I'm a Fluminense fan and have to watch this hurt and underdeveloped version of the player wearing my club's colours. But you are right. For sure Paulo Henrique has achieved what many players will never reach through their careers!
great video again ..mate
I'm Brazilian and supporter of Santos. What's really happened is that Ganso broke his knee in 2010. After this, he never reocovered his best performance.
Bojan, Nani , .... And many more who were wonderkids but never rises to the mark we expected,,,, sometimes I think how lucky is Messi or Cr... There are many many factors in this path which a player can not control like some injuries.......... Luck is always needed , and i understand it deeply in this video
Nani has been a fantastic winger for years in Utd
If Neymar was supposed to be a modern version of Ronaldinho, Ganso was supposed to be a modern version of Zidane, no joke, he's technical quality was unbelievable, but after his injury he was never the same, at least he was useful in São Paulo 🇾🇪🇾🇪🇾🇪
Beautiful video bro , maybe in some parallel universe Ganso is the neymar we know today💪
That quote by Seedorf became a meme here in Brazil, and it is sometimes remembered when some people talk about Ganso.
Love this channel man
Still praying on the eventual Rangers video
It wasn't lazyness, he had an serious injurie in 2010 and since them suffer with various other muscular injuries that committed his physic. He simply can't play as intense as other players do, in his place, many would have retired. If something, he has a beast mentality
great video as always
could you make some more videos about the Brazil serie a players, like Roger Geueds or bruno henrique
it goes to show that there's more to football, and life in general, than talent...
it's what separates good players to great players to legendary players... the latter two put in the time and effort to constantly hone their craft and take care of themselves, to grow and improve even more...
You should do a video about Muricy Ramalho, the coach you quoted on the video. He has a amazing story and a deep connection with São Paulo the team with most international trophies in Brazil. He started being ellected in a "Who will be the new Pelé" contest as the winner and played for São Paulo, then became a coach for São Paulo on it´s best days in recent history and now he´s the "Soccer Manager". He also was the coach who debuted Neymar and has a very unique perspective of his career.
Used to play him in pes 2013 santos and i really liked his creative skills.
My biggest take away from this video is the “STi” on the santos Jersey a bit odd
It wasn't really all laziness..it was the injury that broke his leg..he was never the same
Ganso and Lucas moura. They were the ones touted to be Neymars equals. Ganso failed and Lucas moved to PSG early and tried to get ahead of Neymar, didn’t work.
Lucas still took the spurs to the UCL final
He played football, not running after a ball which is what football has become. He’s pure class regardless of his pace and work rate
Seems like a common occurrence among talented Brazilian players
That imobile joke 😂😂 my man your videos are best football content on CZcams thank you for great videos
I use to watch santos just watch the midfield star Ganso then he just fell off the map sigh . Amazing talent with a crazy left foot
I remember when my friend played FIFA 13, he signed Ganso and utilised him to full effect.
Subbed to your channel cause of Ganso ❤️
man i already forgot about ganso, what a baller he was
I remember being a kid watching ganso playing at Santos, there was not a single game where he would not impress me, the biggest talent he has is the capability to read the game. He always saw more than one possibility, he would make a passing choice no one else was expecting. even after the injuries I hyped him because of this, when the game seemed lost, he would find a pass or a long range shoot that could change everything.
Had so much potential man
As someone who doesn't follow Brazilian soccer, i always heard about him and Neymar being the next big things. Then randomly it was only Neymar. Sad to finally learn what happened
I remember Ganso not because he is great, but he was a beast talent in old FIFA game.
Great and different video
Knee Injury . He plays for the team i support right now Fluminense Football Club. Yes , he is a genious but after his injury (not simple for sure) , he is just not the same. An amazing player for sure. Visionaire.
excelente vídeo. Flúido, acertivo, direto. Você retratou bem o que nós brasileiros sentimos com relação ao ph ganso, ele tinha potencial pra chegar bem mais longe que o Ney. Porém as lesões bateram bem forte no menino, ele perdeu a confiança e a ambição.
In 2010, people in Brazil wanted to see a frontline of the National Team in World Cup with Kaká, Ganso, Neymar and Luís Fabiano. For some reason, Dunga (the manager) decided to call Nilmar (Villarreal) and Júlio Baptista (Roma).
I remember this, one of the dumbest calls
Make a video about Sebastian Deisler, injuries really ruined that talented superstar
I remember this guy!!! he was on FIFA12 and was a highly rated prospect in career mode
Ganso couldn't move.
As modern football got quicker, he couldn't hang.
If he adapted his game like Juan Roman Riquelme did, he'd be an all-time great.
It's such a shame.
Controversial opinion but i personally think laziness ruined Neymar himself, and he could have been even better than what he was if he trained and worked harder
I agree with you, he could’ve been Cristiano Ronaldo level at least if he trained really hard like him.
True that.. By now neymar should be hogging the glory.. Replacing the rivalries that we know as Messi and ronaldo
I would say it's his injuries
With more games he could have proved more
I think it's more of his injuries that ruined neymar. Maybe he should've trained harder too but playing at the top level at Barca and delivering is hard work in my eyes
@@shakenblake4533 exactly when he was injury less
We saw what he was able to do in 2015 and 2017
I totallllly agreee.i used to live in Rio de Janeiro when all Brasil and me wanted (and even were willing to go to the streets) to see ganso (before neymar at the time) in the seleção squad for the months away wwcup... On the spot again my "friend of great debating soccer" 👍🏼
honestly, I wouldn’t say it was laziness alone that led to his downfall, not even the major reason.
in my opinion, the injury he had in his knee ligament was more crucial
It's ironic cause Neymar is regarded as one of the laziest in modern football.
Ganso, remires, oscar, hulk, its really sad and make me frustrating not seeing them play at the top of the world at their peak. 😣
I remember playing him and Neymar on the Santos team on PES 2013. He was so good on the game
He kinda dont care about being a world class football player, hes happy doing what hes doing, and Fluminense supporters (hes club now) really like him.
@Souless Survivor i have a friend who is a Fluminense supporter, Ganso is not playing great there but the fans like him, they often use his face as avatar in social media.
Still remember this guy from FM11 dang nostalgic
Wow thank you. I was just wondering what the hell happened to this guy randomly a few days ago. I think I actually rated Ganso and Lucas higher than Neymar at the time 🤦♂
This video triggered a core memory
Um dos melhores meias que vi jogar.
Posso compara-lo com Alex, Douglas, Marco Borges, Zidane, e outros tantos...
Tô be fair his injuries really broke the guy. He was a genius, but I believe his mind got broken after he realized that he wouldn't be transfered to a huge club as Neymar were. So after injuries and bad choices, his brilliance was gone.
Great video bro always a masterpiece 👌 but can you 👉👈....you know change the intro song kinda got old tbh
As an AC Milan supporter, I remember talk about him being Kaka's heir. Not sure how credible that ever was, but it was exciting to think of him with Milan but in a weird turn of events he ended up signing for Sao Paolo. It would have been nice to see him team up with Pato.
As a Brazilian I can say that he could reach a higher level than Kaka.
He really did lack pace in his game. But he was so technically gifted I always felt the right European league (serie A maybe) would suit him.
He's still been a very successful Brazilian footballer. May not be a super star like Neymar, but his accolades in Brazil are not to be slept on
i cheer for Sao Paulo and was a pleasure to see him on for my favorite team on that 2016 Libertadores, he's such a genius