HHM Tries To Cut Jimmy Out Of The Sandpiper Case | Pimento | Better Call Saul
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- Howard, Jimmy, Chuck and others discuss Jimmy's Sandpiper Crossing case.
From Season 1, Episode 9 'Pimento' - Chuck wants to transfer the Sandpiper case to HHM much to Jimmy's dismay. Mike gets a job offer working as a bodyguard.
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Chuck would rather sacrifice a *multi-million* dollar and *multi-state* federal class action lawsuit for his *OWN* law firm than have Jimmy work at HHM….. just sick.
Considering what Jimmy became/always was, Chuck probably saved HHM by doing this. Unless it gets destroyed by Kim and Jimmy in the upcoming season of course.
@@tafttheraft5314 well it was actions like this that guaranteed that Jimmy became what he has become
@@tafttheraft5314 If Chuck didn't hinder Jimmy every way possible, he wouldn't have been in such a dire financial situation. And if his financial situation would've been better, he probably wouldn't have seeked so much contact to the criminal world.
@@tafttheraft5314 I think you are not getting the whole plot of BCS. This scene is one of the reasons why he believed he should be Saul Goodman and not Jimmy McGill.
@@tafttheraft5314 I think it’s safe to say that HHM is destroyed now after the most recent episode
Man, rewatching this knowing what we know now. The subtle facial acting from Howard and Chuck, you can see the scheme. Chuck was the real snake, period.
Chuck was a dick. He had his reasons but he was an angry person in general.
I always felt that Howard would have been fine with Jimmy being there and was forced.by Chuck to take the fall all while Chuck acted so innocent. What a terrible and well written villain he turned out to be.
@@codger08 we also learn that it wasn't Howard's choice to turn him down after he got his law degree. Chuck is so obsessed with the idea that Jimmy doesn't deserve to be a lawyer that he hurts other people on the process.
lol
I was thinking it, and you said it!
What I love about this scene is how genuinely impressed Howard is by Jimmy's work. Howard was never Jimmy's enemy, he was a supporter. The writers did a great job of making Howard, the rich, cocky confident partner seem like the obvious villain, but it was Chuck all along.
"IT'S ME, JIMMY! IT WAS ME ALLL ALONG!!"
people are so easily manipulated to see the world through the eyes of the protagonist that they dont see the big picture
And yet Jimmy looks like he's going to take Howard down next season.
@@floofy5529 you have no idea….
Even after Chuck’s death Howard still tries to bring Jimmy into the firm. It’s kinda sad to think how different Jimmy’s life would have been if he had someone like Howard as a mentor/idol instead of his brother.
Howard is ironically, very honorable. Allowing himself to be used as the fall guy, for years! It’s almost sad, he was always rooting for Jimmy. He just couldn’t tell him.
couldnt be precious jimmy
tha sunroof... whateva happened there
@@BeattapeFactory not relevant to Howard.
And the way this character ends his journey, real sad
@@vcrbetamax whooooosh
It would have been hilarious if when Chuck was like "I'm VERY disappointed, I think you should reconsider" that Howard just immediately "You sure? Ok then. Jimmy, you're in." just for Chuck to blow a gasket.
lol that’ was not the plan! - jimmy , plan? Realizes everything
LOL! He shoulda. I kinda like Howard and felt sorry for him always playing the villain for Chuck.
@@Dilllonm “Howard, can we have the room, please…”
I’m thinking of that one episode of the office where Robert California doesn’t want his wife hired and when he says Andy should hire her, he does…and it becomes a clown show afterwards lol…
Chuck is the biggest pig rucker I've ever seen omg. Howard wanted him and had to hear dis shit because of chuck
It doesn't matter if Chuck was right or wrong about Jimmy - he was a snake. A real man would have told Jimmy to his face what the problem is, instead of pretending to be his friend, while actively sabotaging him, instead of forcing an innocent man like Howard to play the bad guy in some ridiculous clown show, so Chuck can play the part of a kindly big brother. It's two-faced and despicable. Even if Chuck was right, and Jimmy would always turn out bad, this scene will always be there to show you that he was the villain.
Spoken like a true CIA man
Bro I have an alternate version of your fucking profile picture wtf
If Chuck trully cared bout jimmy he would have helped Jimmy become a better man, but he was always jealous of Jimmy{s skill to get with the people while all Chuck had was being a good Lawyer. Chuck felt if Jimmy became a good lawyer too he would have nothing left to validate himself with so he wanted Jimmy to succeed, but far away from him.
@@kostismv He didn't die so good.
@@Baykko yo chuck literally said he doesn't really care about jimmy
I love Howard's "f**K you" stare to Chuck at the end. Really good acting on Patrick Fabian's part and nice foreshadowing.
It’s like, “are you happy now? 😒”
damn, I never noticed that. Howard was the only character who never did anything wrong, this is arguably the worst thing he's done and taking the brunt of someone's anger for a colleague and friend isn't that bad
@@smalf00 Well, I wouldn't say he did _nothing_ wrong, but his heart always seemed to be in the right place, and when he did do questionable things it was because he was in the same situation we've all been in before; trying to navigate all these interconnected systems we call a society and the power dynamics and relationships therein. All while balancing staying true to our ethical framework, in whatever form that may take, while also trying to achieve our goals or even just trying to survive in a situation with nothing but bad choices available to you.
@@smalf00 The next scene Howard is in is when Kim Wexler confronts him about how unfairly he's treating Jimmy and you can tell he's furious. The man was so barely able to contain how angry he is that he can't even come up with a good lie. In that moment, watching for the first time, we as an audience thought we were getting some glimpse of some intense hatred towards Jimmy. But in hindsight it's just a brilliant bit of foreshadowing about how much he despised what his friend asked him to do.
And then he has her close the door and tells her.
@@materialdialectics he didn't do one thing wrong you buffoon. He was one of the few BCS characters with total integrity.
The great thing about Howard is that while every other character on BCS goes through incredible transformation, Howard always stays the same and is the one constant. It is only our perception of Howard that changes.
that is a really interesting observation and so true, hadn't noticed that
cool comment
really made me "A-haaa"
there’s actually a term for this if you’re curious. I ran into it in recent weeks and thought it was so cool, and your comment reminded me of it.
he’s called a static character (simple enough, no?). it can be very difficult to use them well. a relatively straightforward example is a villain/hero - they are the bad/good guys early on and they remain so throughout the plot. an interesting example as with Howard is that we realize nuance as the story goes on, but on review it turns out they were basically the same person throughout the plot. we can see these traits early on, it’s just that we assign new value to them now in knowing the full plot.
another example of thinking of characters in this way are dynamic characters - like who you mention apart from Howard. the point of them is to change as the plot progresses, for example: Walter White.
this observation is a slam dunk
Not entirely true, Howard did go to therapy and that definitely had an transformative effect on him.
Hands down the Cruelest thing Chuck has ever done considering he never told his brother their mothers last words. Jimmy was so excited to finally work with his brother to be stabbed in the back.
What was his mother's last words?
@@BigBoss-gb4cx "I love Andy Griffith"
She called out for Jimmy
He even throws in a “Howard I don’t know what to say”. looking back now, the comment seems so insincere from. Imagine Howard thinking it’s bad enough he’s taking the blame, but Chuck just pushes the blame even more on him, trying to feign ignorance.
I always saw Chuck not telling him what their mom's final words were as a way to protect Jimmy's feelings. Imagine leaving your dying mother for a single moment, only to find out in that brief moment she cried out for you. Jimmy probably would have felt terrible.
Sincerely , i think Howard is a very complex character, because he's got nothing against Jimmy but he got to be loyal to Chuck
That is a true behavior of a lawyer. He is not there to be judgemental about his clients interest. He is there to advice and defend the client´s interests´.
The mistake Howard made is that Chuck is no client of him, so he shouldn´t abide to the things Chuck made to hurt Jimmy.
At the end, Chuck even throw Howard and HHM under the bus because of his contempt towards his brother.
Howard was the best lawyer: no judging and defending Chuck´s interests, and at the end got stabed in the back by Chuck.
Guess a lot of lawyers can relate to that.
@@victorfaria3797 Howard definitely made a mistake by siding with Chuck blindly. Chuck was a mentor for Howard most likely since Chuck and Howard's father had started HHM together. So of course Howard would defer to Chuck in all matters. But by Season 3, Howard was just done with all the McGill drama. And by Season 5, Howard tries to correct his mistake and is trying to rebuild HHM and wants Jimmy on board, but its too little too late.
Howard was a good man who unfortunately chose a side he shouldn't have.
It is Not only because chuck and Howard Are SOO Good friends it is because if chuck is unsatisfied with the company he can just move out and get a fat severance pay that would probably destroy the whole company
dude ure under every bcs video
It's hard not to feel bad for Hamlin on a rewatch. The poor guy just wants to run his law business but he has to deal with Jimmy and Chuck's petty BS
I just love how after Jimmy questions why Howard wouldn’t want him, Howard’s face screams that he can’t provide a legitimate answer and is begging for Chuck’s help in this situation. Not only did Jimmy gets stabbed in the back by Chuck, but you can tell how uncomfortable and bad Howard feels about doing this to Jimmy.
Well he did call him "Charlie Hustle" and thought of him as a hardworker
@@atlantis5001 "I always liked you Jimmy".
Chuck is part of reason maybe even bigest that jimmy went "other way" in bussines so say 😐
@@Ray_D_Tutto damn such a bleak contrast to “I’ve never cared that much for you, Jimmy”
@@jebeifinn443 TBH, Jimmy was never going to clean up his act. When he worked for Clifford Main he had to play by the rules and he just couldn't do it. Schweikart tried to cut off contact between Jimmy and his clients, but he did so within the bounds of the law. Jimmy didn't like that so he went around the law. That was always his problem. He imposed his own morality on situations that did not turn in his favor. Had he worked at HHM he would have had the same issues and the only difference is Chuck wouldn't be able to live with himself when he finally had to fire Jimmy.
Yes, Chuck is a snake. He wasn't up front with Jimmy. But in the end, he knew that Jimmy couldn't work for his firm. Chuck was all about legal ethics and Jimmy couldn't care less about them. Just because Jimmy his his brother does not mean Chuck owes him a position at his law firm. You can be a hard worker and still not be fit for a position.
I love how Howard decides to rephrase "we want the case, we don't want you"" to "the case is all we want". Really gives insight into his character - he clearly picks and chooses his words carefully as any good lawyer/salesman would, yet this also makes him seem a bit insincere and corporate. Of course we know the truth - that Chuck is pulling the strings, but little details in the dialogue like that go a long way. God I'm gonna miss this show
Really good point yeah, the hesitation is palpable. S1 is the only season I watched as it aired per week (other than this most recent season). I saw the rest of the show much later but man I remember just how much I hated Howard. He comes off as a massive douchebag but ultimately he's not a bad guy.
@@MetalRock7777 Howard is arguably the best person of all of the major characters from the Breaking Bad universe. He deserved so much better
Yeah and initially this seems to the audience that this is just Howard's way of keeping a veil of professionalism. It's not until the rewatch that we notice this little stutter is Howard's way of not hurting Jimmy too much even though he's pretending to be the villain. The professionalism is genuine.
He can't even bring himself to say, "We don't want you.", even under the veil that was concocted by Chuck. Because ultimately, if it were up to him and the other partners, they would/do want Jimmy. Howard knows he'd be a real asset to HHM. What might've been, I suppose.
The way he looks at the end to Chuck shows who is behind all this. This wasn't the result Howard wanted or expected to get.
He confirms it when Jimmy confronts Howard about this in a later episode. Howard said he would at least given Jimmy a chance.
especially when Slippin' Jimmy turns down the "easy money"
That look of disappointment, when Chuck's pettiness ruins a multi-million dollar case that the firm desperately needed. Howard's well wishes were actually sincere.
@@razor3535 he even referred Jimmy to Davis & Main so he could still be on the case 🥺
Raemus and Romulus ...Treason...
At the beginning it looked like Howard was gonna be a forgettable character but, knowing what we know now, he turned out to be a very complex and interesting character. Amazing writing.
no. it didn't look like that at the beginning.
and acting....
One of the better characters
Expected him to be just another evil boss cliché, turns out it's a lot more complicated.
What happens haven’t watched it in a while ?
"I will burn the whole thing to the ground before I give it to you." It's ironic coming from Jimmy's mouth because that was truly how Chuck quite literally felt about him.
Chuck was talking about his house lol
@@woahblackbetty7691 he meant that emotionally that's how Chuck felt about offering Jimmy association at HHM. He would rather burn the whole establishment down to a crisp before he let his brother rise any higher than a mailman inside of it.
If you keep looking it's nuts the number of parallels you find between Jimmy and Chuck. Chuck would have never admitted it to himself, but they were pretty similar as people.
@@omnibeet They were both very calculating/manipulative. Jimmy did it outside the system, Chuck did in inside.
Both had an exceptional memory. Jimmy for details about people, Chuck for facts and figures.
Both are blind to anything that doesn't fit their worldview.
Both hate being pitied and have pride issues.
Both committed to their career identity. Jimmy loved fighting for the spirit of the law, Chuck loved followed the letter of it.
Both develop a safe space for coping and avoiding problems. Jimmy's Saul Goodman persona and Chuck's EHS disorder.
Both love getting attention. Jimmy from showmanship. Chuck from workmanship.
@@Ray_D_Tutto on your 5th point, both were eventually lead astray from that purpose by unhealthy personal fixations
I like how Jimmy makes a great point that if anybody would've walked with such a case they would beg them to make partner and they can't even take him as an associate and you can see it in Howards face that he is like "yeah you are absolutely right, i also don't know why we can't make you an associate" .
EVEN knowing HMM was in serious financial straits, Howard does this. Because he knows Chuck is serious when he threatens to liquidate the firm.
Also, neither Chuck nor Coward (haha) expected this. Chuck suggested to Howard that Jimmy would take the “easy money”. No doubt about it. When it turns out Jimmy wants to be a real, proper lawyer… Howard has no choice but to refuse due to the blackmail of Chuck.
@@Eljacob0 yes but, chuck was ultimately right lol! Jimmy got a even better job but couldn’t stop his slippin jimmy antics and left that job as well and got involved with the cartel
@@kushalramakanth7922 it’s not as simple as that though. If Jimmy was hired by HHM at the start like Howard wanted he would’ve most likely been trained and mentored by Howard. Yeah there’s a chance Slippin Jimmy ends up taking over, but the chance is smaller because at the time Jimmy really wanted to be a good lawyer and he would’ve had his brother, Howard, and Kim helping him and believing in him. The Sandpiper moment is the same. When he joined a firm, he still has that mindset that no matter how good he becomes, he will never be able to work in the firm that made him want to change.
@@josephwright4222 Yeah things might have gone differently but it still all sounds like feeble excuses for Jimmy. He didn't get his dream job at his dream firm and therefore he just had no other choice than to become a conman and a cartel lawyer? Such a guy didn't deserve to be hired in the first place if you ask me. Chuck also had to start small at some point and didn't become crooked. Even as a public defender Jimmy resorts to scams and works with criminals. Looking for short cuts and trespassing the law is Jimmys modus operandi, it's how he often gains an edge over his oppenents and wins his cases. Once he has to work in a team and play by the rules like in his time at Davis & Main because his antics could endanger the firm he begins to struggle. This was exactly the kind of chance he was hoping for, working at a prestigious law firm on a big case. It just wasn't HHM but a partner firm, the next best thing, and he still blew it. There is no reason to believe that the same wouldn't have happened if HHM had hired Jimmy. Sooner or later the same conflict would have come up once Jimmy decides to do things "his way".
@@pg1448 The thing is that being a lawyer wasn't his dream job; earning his brother's respect was his dream. When it became clear that was never, ever, ever going to be possible, he gave up trying to be any better and embraced everything his brother had ever thought of him.
That side eye glance to Chuck at 4:52, oh my god. He's screaming internally "What the hell is wrong with you, why are you doing this?!" These are the little gestures that you can only pick up on once you've finished the season.
Yep, just shows how he doesn’t have people as figured out as he thinks he does. First it was Jimmy, then Kim, Rebecca, Howard, and worst of all himself.
To me it was more like "you better fix this"
Howard really respect Jimmy… called him Charlie Hustle saw him get his law degree and he built a class action suit! Imagine having to sacrifice a multi million dollar deal which will allow them to get more money, staff bonuses etc just because he wanted to spite his brother…
All Chuck had Jimmy was being a great lawyer and if Jimmy overshadowed him it would’ve destroyed his ego!
Is it just me or does he kinda look happy or proud at jimmy and as soon as he looks at chuck he slightly changes to being disgusted?
It's kinda sad seeing this a second time, knowing that Chuck was actually the one who didn't want Jimmy at HHM and that Howard was merely playing the 'bad guy' to cover for him.
Howard really got the short end of the stick throughout this show.
It's also weird how when you watch this back you can actually see some of the 'fakeness' behind Chucks expressions that you wouldn't have noticed the first time.
Yep. That was good actiing....and writing.
I'm wondering if the actors knew about the planned sabotage and intentionally acted that way, or were they still in the dark about it, and we just have the power of hindsight and are looking for a sign to validate that truth.
true and you can also see that it's really difficult for howard and that jimmy's words hurt. (another example of chuck acting is when he lets ernesto hear part of the tape, mckean plays it kind of hammy on purpose)
@@pterodactylptroll I get that there is going to be some bias on our part because we already know what to look for. That being said, I'm sure the actors would know far enough ahead into the story to be able to properly portray their characters. I know I'd definitely want Chuck's actor to know that his character is working against his brother and using Howard as a scapegoat (even if he wouldn't know the details of that).
02:53 is a great example of what I'm talking about though. The exaggerated reaction of somebody who is trying to make a point of looking like they object to what just happened. 04:17 too.
Also the way Howard looks at Chuck is pretty cold. Suggesting he wasn't comfortable with what he's doing and didn't really appreciate having to crush Jimmy like that (because he actually likes him).
@@arstulex good observation..
At around 2:22, just proves that Chuck was even MORE deserving of our hatred than we thought. I think he was hoping that Jimmy would be humiliated in front of everyone, but Howard was kind enough to minimise the blow as much as he could.
Yes and no, there’s no way everyone else would be on board with the reasoning Howard gave here. Jimmy made valid points.
@@malfaroangel3896 His point is that Chuck clearly wanted Jimmy to get humiliated in front of everyone. He was obviously confused about Howard clearing the room, and tried to argue against it, but Howard stopped him and said "when the room's clear" to make sure there wouldn't be an audience. Jimmy can make all the valid points he wants, that only makes it more embarrassing when they still refuse to take him, because it shows he's just that undesirable to them. It was kind of Howard to make everyone leave.
It's not that deep
@@mayebeline1149plus didn’t Howard do the same thing when Jimmy passed the bar , so it’s likely chuck wanted to try and do the same thing again
Jimmy: "go to hell, Howard"
Lalo: let's talk
*OOF*
Lawyers go to hell
@@jamesdelrio2379 Meds
No one: Let's talk
If Jimmy got a spot at HHM there whould have been no Lalo in the series
For several episodes, they make it seem like Howard is the bad guy, the one keeping Jimmy down. Mr. Professional in his suit, everything pristine and perfect and Jimmy doesn't fit with HHM. Then, we find out Howard's the nice guy, or at least nicer, and it's always been Chuck. It was always Chuck.
This show is brilliant
It was always Jimmy
@@masterzombie161 Chuck pretending to be appalled with Howard when he was the reason Jimmy wasn't taken on.
Howard was never the bad guy. Out of all the guys in the show, he's the most normal one lol.
What did chuck do I forgot !”?
The look that Howard gives Chuck at the end, he knows whose fault this actually is and who screwed this whole thing up
The subtleties of Gilligan and Gould, acted brilliantly by the cast.
Damn that’s the most serious side eye I’ve seen in my life
@@thedarkknight9153 Vravo Gince Billigan and Geter Pould
Yes! I didn't see these glances before. I think I need to rewatch. This show isn't as passive as some, you can't rely on dialogue alone and do other things while watching it because there's so many blink and you miss it moments
Yeah the look said “Seriously chuck?” And then Chuck does a sigh of relief after Howard walks out because he kept the secret
Imagine how powerful HHM would be with Jimmy, Kim, Howard, and Chuck working there. Shame Chuck threw it all away out of hatred for his brother, deserved or not. Jimmy may have done some bad things but Chuck definitely forced him on that path to a degree. If Chuck could've set aside his hatred for Jimmy here he'd probably still be alive and would eventually get better, and hell maybe eventually Kim and Jimmy would've become partners at HHM.
Jimmy/Saul is the real villain of BCS. Howard is dead because of him
@@antonimartinez9961 nah, it’s chuck, he was using howard and he made jimmy go the path he took
@@stepladder3257 No it definitely is Saul. By the time BB starts he's a full on criminal, having people killed and laundering drug money. Chuck was an upstanding lawyer who resented the fact that his scheming, sociopathic brother seemed to often come out on top.
@@stepladder3257 idk how you can watch season 6 and still claim Chuck was the real villain. Everything he thought about Jimmy turned out to be more than true.
@@verbalkint4258 Oh plz get off your high horse. Chuck set Jimmy up for failure and then got to act like he knew something when it went the way he wanted it to go. He liked the control over Jimmy, so he molded him into somebody he could look down on.
4:16 I love that after that pitful excuse for "defending" his brother, Chuck gets genuinely upset at Howard upping Jimmy's council fee
You get the impression that Jimmy really wanted to go straight, be respected and be a legitimate lawyer, but Chuck and Howard always undermined him and he had no choice other than to resort to scams and be "Slippin' Jimmy with a Law Degree".
It was less Howard and more Chuck. Howard was loyal to Chuck and he was very fair to Jimmy as soon as he could be. Until Jimmy learned that it was actually Chuck who didn’t want him, Howard’s hands were tied.
to be what always be ..........slippin jimmy.
its right chuck....... but the fall of chuck is for not wanting to hurt jimmy ends up do the opposite
instead being honest
Kinda of , Jimmy wanted to go straight to impress his brother and live up to his ''legend'' but after that was out of the picture he didnt care.
I'm not so sure. Even when Jimmy does try to be straight he does inevitability resort to unethical or outright illegal tactics to help his clients because he adheres way too strictly to an ends justify means mindset
@@benkirkman1866 Season 1 Jimmy seemed like he was trying hard to be straight. He simply gave up being straight afterwards. Chuck was right to be wary of Jimmy but his actions ultimately caused a self fulfilling prophecy as the more he tried to undermine Jimmy, the more Jimmy slipped.
The look Howard gives Chuck at 4:52 just radiates contempt for making him do this to Jimmy. Howard's a good man but a better man would have been honest with Jimmy and dropped the curtains on the whole charade.
I cannot believe this whole story is based on a fictional story that someone made up.
@@educateme8455 That's the power of writing. When people apply themselves we can make anything. A city is the best example of this.
Howard "we want the case, but we don't want the....., the case is all we want"
Nice way to soften the blow.
2:44 I love how Howard thinks and articulates himself, "we don't want um..." he then thinks about what he is saying and is conscious about trying not to upset Jimmy too much so phrases it "the case is all we want"
Howard was a good guy... Always. He even tried to help Jimmy out after chucks death even though he wasn't even the one sabotaging him. Whatever Jimmy and Kim are about to do in season 6 would be very unfair...
Just try to remember why Kim left HHM, did she deserved all that mistreatment from Howard? Did Chuck made him do that? No, that was all him.
Howard straight up left Jimmy downstairs with all those boxes. Thank god for Kim for at least taking a box.
@@brandonalvarado97 Howard did all that because he reinforces the toxic environment these lawyer firms have. Make one mistake and they will ruin your life, and Howard has been doing to to people for god knows how longz
@@redalius1928 the great thing about BCS and BB is that it makes you root for the main characters to such an extent that you end up using whataboutisms to defend their actions.
Let's be honest, what Jimmy and Kim are involved in is illegal and morally unethical. Was what Howard did a bit douchey? Maybe so, but he has never commited any crime or acted nearly as unethical in his practice as Kim and Jimmy have in theirs.
I think Kim is going to prison next season. She's going to get caught for sabotaging Howard. That will sever her relationship as she will be gone for years and Saul won't have anybody there to keep him semi grounded
Howard's the most underrated character in BCS, seemed like the bad guy in season 1 but he turns out to be one of the wisest of all characters in this show.
You would really wish nothing wrong happens with the guy in season 6 after watching season 5's last episode
I think Howard is going to bait Kim to Jail in season 6.
I'm worried for him in season 6, honestly he's not a bad guy at all, we just like jimmy a lot more lmao
@@bypugs kim will go after him but will eventually lose and go to prison
He’s definitely not one of the wisest characters in the show😭 he’s incredibly naive and pokes his head where it doesn’t belong sometimes. He’s probably the most moral character but NOT wise
Fuck it shoot ‘em with all the others lol nah but he’s not a bad guy
You can see how badly Howard wanted to take Jimmy into the firm and how much it strained him pretending to be the bad guy to keep him out. I’m rather disappointed in myself for not calling it sooner when I first saw this. It’s so obvious now.
At this point none of us (viewers) knew how much Chuck actually hated Jimmy
I love how Howard had a real look of shame and embarrassment when he was confronted by Jimmy because he was entirely right, you do beg someone to partner with you with a case like that
I blame Jimmy’s fall into the criminal underworld solely on Chuck. This was Jimmy’s chance to become a legitimate person and put his con artist past behind him, and Chuck rips his heart out by manipulating and lying to him.
What a stupid comment. Jimmy wasn’t an robot. He made decisions.
I guess you think you don’t have free will.
Chuck is being Hypocritic and that makes me most angry at him Jimmy really tried and was actually good with his job.
The scene With Chuck giving speech to Jimmy on road while he waits for police is Bs when he talks about changes and second chanses.
@@ophello you damn well know that Chuck manipulated and degraded him the whole way through. He is responsible too
Jimmy had a good shot at becoming legit with Davis & Main but he screwed that up all on his own. Chuck screwed him but to pretend Jimmy wasn't inclined in that direction is wrong
@@ColddirectorDavid and Main really are the Gretchen and Elliot of BCS when you think about it. They remove all doubt that the main character is only a victim, they reveal their true natue
Michael McKean is incredible. Conveying this kind of subtle situational irony to the audience without betraying his true emotions to Jimmy is a genius writing and acting feat.
"What slight did I make to your fine, upstanding character that you can't forgive?"
That question kinda takes the air out of the room when you rewatch this now.
3:28 - 3:33
You can clearly see Howard feel bad for the decision to not include Jimmy in the case he literally showed to HHM. I just noticed this after several rewatch. He clearly likes to work with Jimmy but is forced to be the bad guy all because of Chuck.
WOW!!! I didnt even peep that. Good observation
Great catch!!!
Chuck is so cowardly here. He doesn’t have the guts to tell Jimmy how he really feels about him, so he forces Howard to bear the brunt of it.
This was all Chuck's doing. He told Howard to turn down Jimmy and he tried to steal Jimmy's case. What a loving brother...
It wasn't being stolen. He was going to be compensated and probably generously
People say Jimmy was bad, but Chuck was much worse
yes i watched the show too
Men with a time machine: "NO HOWARD, GIVE JIMMY THE JOB"
It’s sadder watching this scene after knowing that chuck was behind it after all
When I first watched this scene, I thought the acting was great.
Now, knowing what we know about all of the dynamics involved between Chuck, Howard, and Jimmy-the acting is sublime.
It can be viewed both at face value (Howard being the decision-maker behind cutting Jimmy out) and what actually happened (Chuck being the actual decision-maker) and the acting behind both meanings is flawless and play into each other beautifully.
Brilliant show. Brilliant actors.
man it must've made Chuck's skin crawl to have Jimmy sitting next to him at the head of the table. but man I feel so bad for Howard. He doesn't want to be a part of any of this petty drama, he just wants to do what's best for his firm and his people. The way he shifts his eyes towards Chuck at the end there, it's like he's saying " OK I played the bad guy for you but seriously you're just going to see there and let us tank a multimillion dollar case"
Watching Howard in this scene is heartbreaking. He would want nothing more than to bring Jimmy on, but he has to bear the brunt of denying him. There are several times you see him close to breaking. Great acting and a great character.
Howard's facial expression at 4:53 tells it all.
Right before Howard stands up he glances over at Chuck with a look of absolute disgust.
If they destroy Howard in Season 6 it’ll be one of the most painful things to watch. I don’t wanna see this guy suffer anymore
Underrated character
At this point, I feel like what they’re going to do will end up being much worse for Howard than they anticipate.
@@Night5225 Yeah he's probably going to kill himself or die some other way.
Lol
@@Night5225 You are a critic and saw the series beforehand, I refuse to believe you actually predicted this 😂
I love the cinematography. Look how the handshake at 1:44 is distorted in the glass
Great observation!
Back when everyone hated Howard . . . . Feels like a life time ago
This is mostly where all it started for Jimmy towards Howard. Season 6 Episode 7
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btw Chuck was behind all of this.
It's nice to see this after the last BCS episode, given that I actually forgot about this scene!
It was Kim's idea to take it as far as they did, but Jimmy certainly wasn't lacking in motivation.
Howard go off too easy. He should have been poor and worthless for once in his life. Disbarred would have been nice to see. He probably has no useful skills outside of the law.
every scene with Chuck should have a trigger warning.
Jimmy spent his whole life feeling like he was living in Chuck's shadow when in reality, the exact opposite was happening.
You can SEE how much it hurts Howard to do this, to be caught between chuck and jimmy relationship, forced to do chuck's dirty work and receiving all the hate. Howard was a good man, he even tried to make amend because he know this is wrong. He didn't deserve anything that happend to him :(
Patrick is such a good actor. With later knowledge he clearly conveys what he knows about Chuck and what he's really thinking
Poor Howard took the blame and the end result is sad 😭
I remember how angry I was at Howard. But now at rewatch I feel even greater anger to Chuck for making Howard go through that AND being Hypocritic... 😤
Poor Howard he is decent good guy ☹
This is one of the reasons why the show is great. It shows real drama. Here we see real animosity coming from one brother to another. Despite all his success, Chuck can’t digest the fact that his brother Jimmy found an easier way to become a lawyer. Chuck was always jealous that Jimmy always got away with anything he wanted. Now he couldn’t stand that Jimmy was gonna be “equal” to him. No would Chuck let a con man earn a spot in his kingdom.
What really makes this sad is Howard probably would’ve loved to have jimmy on board
_This_ is how to do a plot twist. I absolutely hated Howard the first time watching this scene. Upon rewatch though, you can tell how much Howard hates doing this. Feel so bad for the poor guy that Chuck has to be such a spineless coward that he has to prop up Howard as his fall guy, instead of just coming out and saying what he feels before being strongarmed into doing it later.
How do you feel about him now 😐
Chuck's acting though looks dramatic and over but still feels accuratr
Who would have thought
@@abhishekab1 ?
@@anandmahamuni5442 ... That Chuck would be the snake 🐍
@@abhishekab1 oh ok
The actor who played Chuck was incredibly good.
I feel bad for Howard here. He wanted Jimmy to be a partner but Chuck didn’t, so he had to be the bad guy here so things would go Chuck’s way.
This was the case that ultimately killed Howard in the end...
how?
I disagree. Sure it's what caused saul goodman but kim is ultimately who killed howard. Saul himself was hesitant with doing the plan. Even if Jimmy became Saul he would've mostly left howard alone if it wasn't for kim.
My god. Can't stop thinking how things eventually unravel for every single one of these characters.
Poor Howard wasn't a bad guy.
He was the poor sap caught in the middle of the world's worst sibling rivalry.
he was a bad guy. he chose to aid and abet bad behavior, no excuses.
I love how excited we got for Jimmy and Chuck working together and getting a win and seeing this slowly dissolve was rough but truly cinematic.
Chuck pretending to be confused/outraged shows how manipulative and duplicitous his character is.
Imagine winning a multi-million dollar business client just to know you won't be in the team. 🤦♂️
Kim wexler was one of their best lawyers with a 2 year partner plan, only for them to throw her away when she loses one client. Shows how unfair and unforgiving that business is.
@@masterzombie161 yep! Happens when PoS partners like Chuck exists.
And being hustled out of a big payday for 20 grand and MAYBE some money down the road. HHM was actually more scummy businesswise then any of the Drug dealing murderers we see on the show.
4:05 I feel stupid now that I didn’t know of Chucks betrayal after seeing that horrible acting from Chuck😂
Chuck really upped his acting game in season two's finale lmao
2:33 the last time Kim ever saw Jimmy.
It's just a playful thought, not my actual theory
i can’t help but laugh at 4:24 when jimmy tells howard to go to hell and slightly smiles, such killer acting
What a nice brother. How upset he is because of the decision of Howard. Oooohhh, he cares so much about Jimmy...
i feel so bad for Howard
3:28 that is the face of a man who has been forced into doing something that he didn't want to... Howard legit like Jimmy and wanted him im HHM but Chuck didn't
chuck's feigned surprise when howard refuses to hire jimmy really shows how much of a snake chuck is.
2:02 The humiliation. God, we've all been Jimmy in that moment at some point, breaks my heart.
I resonate with Howard. I've done questionable things for the sake of making my mentor proud of me. Turned my back on mutual friends simply because she said I should; people I had no issue with. Her sentiments became mine; if she said someone was a problem and had to go, and she'd say these things about anyone who questioned her, I believed her. Even with little to no evidence backing her up.
Her mood impacted my day/mood. Good days were ones where she was happy and we got along well. Bad days were any when she was disapproving of something I said or did.
Even after losing her, I felt as if I lost a great opportunity. She wasn't a good person, but in my head I think of her as someone great.
I miss her, I despise her, and I feel as if a piece of me is gone for having lost her.
Relationships can be complicated that's for sure. Not that I'm saying she was abusive, but you can see even in those cases the victims can still look at their abusers with rose tinted glasses. It's good you seem to be honest to yourself about the relationship and that's what's most important. However, emotions don't always make sense. I guess just acknowledge what you went through, feel what you feel, and try to make better choices next time. Hope you're doing OK.
@@victora.1329 Yeah, I'm fine, thanks. I'm proud to say that I've never completely given up on life. I've always been moving forward, even if it's an inch at a time, which it was in the beginning.
2022 is 9 years since I lost her. I'm back up to speed, but I do find myself being reminded of her from time to time.
She gave me something I never had until then -- a sense of belonging. It was nice, but I have that now more so than I did even then. I just had a lack of faith in my own abilities back then which I now have. Clearing that up solved a lot of issues I was suffering from. 😊
Rewatching it now... damn, it was right there in front of us...
"What the hell just happened?" A whooooole lot more than you could have ever realized in that moment, Jimmy.
Would have been easier for the three of them to go to another room instead of emptying a big conference room.
This is the moment that Saul Goodman came into being. Imagine how different Jimmys life would have been if they’d have let him join their team.
Man I love the details in this show. Rewatching it now in preparation for the upcoming finale season. The look Howard gives Chuck at the end right before he leaves just screams to me "This is all your fault Chuck"
They literally said, “You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of master.”…Had they given Jimmy the job his life would have gone completely different.
That's...not what literally means.
@WhiteKnight228 😂
This is the moment Jimmy becomes Darth Vader.
This is outrageous! Its unfair.
If he got the job it would’ve just gone the same way as Davis and Maine
We want the case, we don’t want-
The case is all we want.
Excellent writing and delivery.
It’s great re-watching BCS with full knowledge of what was really going on.
"What slight did I make to your fine upstanding character that you can't forgive?"
Goddamn they had this planned a long way in advance...
"We want the case, we don't want... UHM... [You]... The case is all we want."
4:38 Jimmy was a true man of his word on this one. Such a dark omen for what is to come now things are getting wrapped up.
What i like so much with that show is the lack of music or any "tension" sound effects in 95% of times , wich is perfect ! Just amazing acting and great facials expression to control the scenes and flow .
And this is the beginning of the end for Howard. This is the exact moment when Jimmy became Howards rival and Howard's future will depend on this single event in the show.
Rewatching this scene while knowing the truth, I cannot believe how Howard could be so loyal to Chuck when he would use him as a scapegoat and let him suffer so much abuse from Jimmy because he was too much of a coward to oppose Jimmy directly until Jimmy figured out the truth himself.
After what happened, I watched this and man it sucks. It was all chuck. Howard didn’t deserve any of this.
3:28 You know Howard wanted to tell Jimmy the truth and felt awful for putting him through that. And then at 4:03 when Chuck speaks up, Howard looks to him almost desperate that he will change his mind. Outstanding acting all around.
The sad part is, if people were upfront about things it could have worked out better for everyone involved. Jimmy may have been a conman, but he really showed that he could do productive legwork, and they could have given him at least a temporary office as a consultant for just this case. Even if Jimmy just knew it was basically only Chuck who didn't want him in, he wouldn't have wanted to screw over Howard or the entire company.
4:53 howard looking at chuck
Chuck getting relaxed
Omg
Siempre me sorprende el corte al final de cada video... Y me sorprende la calidad de esta serie 💚
Contrary to what Chuck says, people can change if you let them. Not always but some can, and Jimmy could have. The sandpiper case showed that Jimmy can and was beginning to changing into a good and hard working lawyer, leaving his slippin Jimmy days behind him. If Chuck was a decent human being and a good brother, he would have at least recognized that and supported him. Instead of being the viper he was.
Chuck actually looks proud of Jimmy at the beginning of this clip, it's a shame how this all played out
It's funny, when I first saw this scene at 4:01 I thought the acting seemed off, especially from such a sensational actor. Makes sense in hindsight that it was acting in acting. Absolutely brilliant.
I have recently championed the editing in this show a lot and it literally shows in every scene. The constant cuts to Kim's face when she reacts to Jimmy with zero dialogue between them says so much. The writing and direction has also always been top notch but wow the part where Howard avoids telling Jimmy they don't want him is such a realistic human detail. This show continues to astound me after multiple rewatches.
Basically, they snobbed him out. And wanted his goldmine from him. Like, "here's a nice check, and look, I'm petting your head. Good job kiddo! Now f**k off. And close the door behind you."
After the last episode, we know Jimmy really burnt the whole thing to the ground...
He showed them who's boss.
Howard's face... Man the way he looks when Chuck plays the good guy......
The first time after Jimmy passed the bar the "Sorry, looks like we don't have a position right now for you but keep trying" speech was ok, but you can tell Howard knows this level of deception is just wrong.