X Men 97: The lesson Marvel needs to learn
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- ▸ Can we trust the MCU to not mess up the X-Men? From the success of X-Men '97, we were shown that the MCU not only should, but needs to learn from it's past. How a connected universe is more important than the throw away movies and TV shows of recent years. And with plenty of examples from the comics, there are no excuses.
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So thankful to be alive in this period of time. Seeing OG X-Men to X-Men 97 transition into better production quality like it deserves feels like such a great payoff for being a long time fan
Right!
Yea just needed to see OG X Men actually
Its trash
@@Blade5067Your opinion is trash.
@@Blade5067Trash opinion
Episode 5 was one of the craziest episodes of anything I’ve seen in a long time.
That episode was the kick off and my goodness what a kick!
Remember it!!
They really did a fantastic job of having a few "easy" episodes to re-establish the vibe and the team.
And then immediately just bolting the gas pedal to the floor the second you got comfortable
@@TributeJr Straight farted and locked the windows too.
Instant classic
I've said it during early phase 4 when people were discussing the inclusion of the Fantastic 4: Just show a 20-second news clip of Doctor Doom taunting the rest of the world about how they're struggling in the aftermath of the "Blip" while Latveria was virtually unaffected by any consequences. Cameos and implied connections like that make the world feel so much bigger than what you immediately see on screen and establishes peripheral plot threads that you can use later on.
The X-Men are basically their own mini-universe inside of marvel. It feels like it would be impossible to not have multiple X-Men projects going on at once to fully get that vibe.
2:30 I loved the Morph cameo drops. They were having a good time teasing the public with the goodies.
Yea implying at the end that Morph turns into Jean to make love with Wolverine at least closed the gap on their relationship at the beginning of the season in the showers
@@chiquita683 🤣🤣🤣 I really laughed. Thank you.
I use to laugh at the original series morph like bro u can't turn into someone that could actually help the team? 97 morph smash 👌🏾
*he
@@josephcrollawelch Thank you! It was about Wolverine so often they they weren’t giving other characters their due.
I hope Disney/Marvel follows the paper trail & stick with what works instead of what they’ll most likely attempt.
Agree! The XMen could/should be the hub for everything in the MCU because, well mutants could be/are everywhere. As things develop in the future phases, the XMen could continue with thread pulling and creation.
Yeah and the hub used to be SPIDER-MAN, since he’s a hero that gets around a lot, he’s encountered the x-men, the avengers, and the fantastic four and the beyonder.
So, I’m kinda hoping we get to see the return of other hero series as well due to the success of X-MEN 97.
Just think about the unbelievably badass payoff of Cap wiggling the hammer in Civil War and knowing that that moment is coming and several years later it was one of the greatest moments in a theater i ever experienced. Thats good patient story writing
And Joss Whedon specifically NOT filming Cap saying Assemble! At the end of Age of Ultron.
That was Age of Ultron bruh
@davidwhite2561 yeah, my bad , can't believe I did that lol ✌️
I loved the whole Wolverine butterfly effect chain of events.... you should do one for Hulk
The thought and reassurance of “okay so they’re actually diving deeper into the comics this time” crossed my mind when I finished the 97 season … completely agree Rob.
Fiege should have you on his team. Seriously! Like he really needs too. Especially for X-Men stuff.
This show was freaking perfect in my opinion. Especially compared to everything that's come out since Endgame.
Since infinity war*
Endgame is on the same level as most of phase 4/5
@@echo_z319
strong disagree.
Infinity war and Endgame form one story and both blew me away at the time.
@@alphatrion100 ..obviously they form one story. That doesnt change the fact theyre still two different movies with two different plots and set of subplots, with one having much, MUCH better of these than the other.
@@echo_z319
There were LOTS of great moments in endgame. Tony meeting his dad. Black widows death, the return of the dead, the big battle, Tonys sacrifice, caps story ending... i loved it all!
@@echo_z319 MAJOR L take man
I am so glad that X-Men 97 exists and I came back to rewatch all your videos all over again, I love your work bro. Keep doing more please.
I can’t watch Invincible again after watching that beautiful animation from X-men 97😢
You know you lyin! 😂
Your lost 😂
@@Vancev99x started lying for no reason 😂🤥
LMFAO stop fishing for likes 😂
@@whysoserious4464 Who posts this comment? It just looks like envy-seething.
I want Spiderman 98 & Silver Surfer 98
It's obvious that it would also be Spider-Man 97. Marvel should just build around a 97 universe as they have shown in X-Men with all the cameos already. We also know at this point that Peter saved MJ. As with Spider-Man animated series ended with Peter looking for MJ through the multiverse, it should continue from there. Since X-Men 97 is set in 97, it means that Peter finding MJ happened before 98 where the series should continue.
I second that motion
Ironman also.
4:23 We're actually getting a video game next year titled Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra with Cap and King T'Chanda being playable characters.
I feel the same way, But I also feel a lot of reviewers don't go back far enough with all the retcons over the years . I'm 56 and read my first Marvel comic aged about 4 and still love them. Hoping DP & Wol give me me that first 10 years feeling at least one last time .
I just discovered your channel and I really like it because (1) you synthesize and summarize very long, multi-title storyline arcs that I probably wouldn’t have the patience to read through and (2) there is something so wholesome and enjoyable hearing about how excited you get when you’re talking about cool moments in comics (Exodus vs. the Eternals is the most recent one that comes to mind) that honestly reminds me of why I started getting into comics in the first place. Keep up the amazing work!
Marvel should DOMINATE animations from now on.
Nah.....DC is too well established in that game
@pslim68 right that's the only place outside of comics that profits. Peak animation movies really likeing the infinite crisis movies can't wait for the 3rd 1
Pretty sure anime got that
@@pslim68that shouldn’t stop them, didn’t stop universal with Disney being the one who’s large or Sega because of Nintendo
@@pslim68 eh they definitely can compete if they can put out quality like '97 and OG SMTAS
Interesting perspective, got me thinking!
This beat is oh so clean.
What?
Rob I’m thankful you doing these videos again 💯 always give us the good information
Thank-you for explaining!
Xmen: first class is definitely a template they should follow. One of the most underrated Xmen movies that doesn't get much love
This was so much of great information that you gave us. I do appreciate it.
Really loved this video format
As a former Marvel employee, all I can say is . . . TRUE ‘DAT!!!
Its trash tho.
I was a Senior Product manager, and I had to sit through a 2002 executive meeting where a White executive was trashing Halle Berry for crying through her Oscar speech.
It was during a meeting where we were discussing the X2 product launch ironically enough.
Instead of being happy that her win would broaden our audience and generate more money for our movies, this person was policing her behavior and low-key pissed that she won.
Who the f@ck does that?!
And this person was part of planning Phase IV.
@@guruuvybasically hating on their own teammates WTF
@@AndreMSmithJr-yx8kd -Basically! That’s why I joined the ‘Recast T’Challa’ movement the second it formed!
I saw it firsthand.
@@guruuvydamn I always wondered why it fell so hard after Endgame especially, and I concur T'Challa needed recasting..... Black Men don't have enough heroes....
Thank you for this Rob
This was so spot on! Thank you for saying it.
I have been watching your videos for the better part of a decade and you always make a video expressing my exact thoughts and feelings. Thank you for everything you do Rob.
Love this channel!
Excellent information 😉👏🏽
🤯seriously awesome channel!
I agree 💯 with you Rob. I've been a long time fan of your channel. Thank you for all you do here.
Dude I LOVE your chanle with freaking passion, your vocie, all the amazing shit I learn!! keep doing this amazing work Rob!! Love from mexico city!
dude i love the green screen over the pics awesome idea
Cyclops and Mr.Fantastic really about to be the Captain America and Tony Stark of these new phases
Damn your breakdowns are epic proportions!! Great 👍 video
I haven’t watched you in a few years but damn the production quality is incredible! Vocals smooth as always but the depth and compression is sweet, editing is fire, and the set is sick!!!
X-Men '97 is a different animal!🔥🔥
But it's failure according to THAT part of youtube and cosmicbooknews
@@BrandonweifuThey're wrong. People are wrong all the time. Fact is that this series has been a huge success and has fans fired up for the future of X-Men.
But the firing of the show runner made me a little iffy for the next season.
@@GenJuhru He wrote season 2 as well, which had already been greenlit for production by Disney.
Man I tell you brah, it’s great hearing your content because you are so engaged and excited about what you talk about!! We as fellow geeks need that!
Agreed, wish MCU did more world building, more easter eggs and nods to other characters/stories in the universe.
Rob your voice is soo soothing sir. All your episodes are wonderful keep up the great work sir.
Seriously man turning your frames into clips is fucking awesome!
I hope they treat the Xmen movies like they did Spiderman, where they just pick up after everyone’s together, instead of trying to cram all these origins and first meetings into one film.
Great take sir
I totally agree with you, and thank you for breaking down how The Avengers and the X-Men tie into each other.
Your storytelling was beautiful. Thank you.
I lowkey think they should stay in animated form for the time being. It's working, and it'll give them time to truly think about if they really want to tie them into the MCU. The only way they'll do it is through Deadpool.
Gambit was the best part of this season!!
It's going to be kind of empty without him
Their reunion as a horseman, I'm gonna have expectations.
@@delightonailende620he coming back with our boy apoc, don't trip
All great points Rob. That feeling of going to watch iron man all the way up to endgame can't be replicated or replaced, but they can actually start setting the cookie crumbs alot better like they used to. Hope Marvel hears this
Awesome! Cameos are exciting! Plus they connect to other things as well, 🤯 (sarcasm because “ThatOneGuy going after fans for being excited about these cameos”). Great video Rob! Keep the great work up man.
Another great video. If they take their time and put in the work to make it feel organic it could be amazing.
just wanted to say, i really like this sort of content. its like the news but important and not sad
Well said Rob.
I love your channel. You always remind me that my knowledge of Marvel is barely surface level and that the writers of the comics really love these characters. The directors and screen writers need to read these stories or watch your channel to get educated
You're literally wrong
@@blowc1612 wrong about what
You're the best ❤
Rob I love your content I can rewatch your videos anyday you remind me of my older bro who is also your age and literally taught me my love and knowledge of marvel and comics in general I love to watch your videos and hear his take on the hero or comic and educate him on things he didn’t know based on your videos lol 😂
Need Legion to be one of the hinted at arrivals in movies to come. My guy Dan Stevens would be huge for the MCU.
Every once a while, something happens to you that makes you realise ''You haven't seen everything there is to see''. Arcane, Blue Eye Samurai, Invincible are classic examples of what's to come. X Men '97 is another level of WOW! What makes the show unforgettable? Marvel stepped up. They did not disappoint...I'm seriously looking forward to season 2. Television may be dead these days but show is a reminder there are some signs of life here and there.
Cohesion between all films is the most important. Above everything, tying it all together is what makes these shows worth it. I completely agree. Have a nice chunk of fluff hidden or openly for the audience to digest after the film ends.
Man, your channel is top tier A-1 comic book analysis. I’ve learned a lot because of the effort you put into this work. Keep up the good work. And thank god you read those comics so we don’t have to! lol.
Bro, I agree I loved Xmen 97.They need to continue to make these teams a part of a larger MCU.
The reemergence of Cyclops has been awesome to witness.
Morph doing his thing really gave me some hope. I didn’t think he could use their powers but regardless, he’s amazing to watch.
Marvel should revive and conclude more classic animated series.
I definitely share the same concern that they wont trust audiences to wait for the type of world building that would be truly great. Like theyre just going to rush into Phoenix saga or something which i 100% want to see done right but we need to care about Jean and watch her die and watch scott and the team grieve. Like there are so many great multi film arcs
Agree with it all, I hope they do the work to mesh the xmen into the mcu with all the comic connections. Hopefully it’s not all teases that turn into Ralph bohners
Dude, the continuity aspect of marvel can be so so soooo cool. We need more of a focus on that
That wide world building and connectivity is one of the most essential things of the MCU. The excitement of seeing everything finally revealed to be connected then the big crossover events after years of build-ups. They should always do that. That's also what made people got into and love Marvel movies even those who haven't watched or enjoyed superhero movies before. Even some of those people got deeper by looking at comic books. If they end up narrowing the X-Men stories well that would be disappointing because we already have Fox universe. Why were people so exited the day Marvel finally get the rights back for X-Men and Fantastic Four? It's everything you have said in this video. They need to make the X-Men truly feels as a part of the larger MCU
Agree 100%!!! Done with care, and the right story tellers , these next phases of Marvel could easily be their best work and crush any box office records set by the MCU thus far. Cautiously optimistic after X-Men 97. Great video sir, keep them coming!!
I wish they got johnathan hickman to be the lead writer for the MCU and plan out and oversee the entire phase of movies, imagine the movies done with his writing quality and style.
Your a uk fan awesome brother!
It always fealt like there was a huve separation between mutant centric comics and Marvel's other super teams back in my prime comics reading decade (90s). There were so many X-Books back then that you really didn't need to tie in to the Avengers if you didn't have the cash.....so many self contained X-Stories and arcs. It gets very muddy when those worlds collide.
Finally finished X-men 97, was absolutely fantastic
X-Men 97 basically had the very best versions of these characters on-screen.... ever.
Also, the power that they displayed and the emotion was absolutely top-class. I've always thought Cyclops was "meh" until I saw him in '97 and he's a real front running leader type character. Just the same as Iron-Man and Cap.
The problem is, I just don't have any faith in the MCU anymore that they can cast and write the same as they did for the beginning of the MCU.
Same here, to me Cyclops always were a mutant version of the worst version of Captain America : a cliché do-gooder that is supposed to be perfect, hence uninteresting character.
The '97 character really redeemed him in my eyes, with his idealistic but unreachable view point of the world he got from Xavier, his struggles as a father for Cable/the team, inadequacies as a husband, leader... to finally step up even beyond Xavier and alongside Magneto was really a great surprise to the way I used to see Cyclops
I think when he was fighting bison and went full power Blast was insane.
Other way around for me. Loved Cyclops since the 80’s. First one to set off 💩, last to run. I was gutted to see his version in the movies.
@@MELOSINCE87The fighting bison sounds like a sports team from Wyoming.
For me what I really loved about X-Men '97 was the earnestness of the show, which created grit as a byproduct. And that really sold the audience on the X-Men's plight, and that gave the stakes weight. Like you stated with Capt America's storyline, there's been this anti-mutant sentiment undercurrent throughout the Marvel universe that doesn't exist currently in the MCU, in fact it likely exists in a whole other dimension of the multiverse, and multiverse stories tend to flatten stakes. And that is the opposite of X-Men 97
Spot on
Nice.
I agree very largely with you Rob. I think the biggest problem with Marvel since End game has been the ignoring of already established major events. There are countless stories that can be adapted to movies with so much great history and complexity that they could make 100+ more movies. The introduction of new characters without a larger history is an aspect that has taken such a large foothold in the Marvel universe that the good stories have drowned under it.
Some of the larger plot lines that I would like to see in the future are: Age of Apocalypse, Planet Hulk, Secret wars, Spiderman clone saga and Avengers vs. X-Men
MCU should make a Gambit solo movie
I completely agree with you, and yes.....I'm scared too 😩
This. I think you kinda hit the nail on the head there Rob.
Watching the interaction between Rogue and Cap gave me the same feelings and vibes when Cyclops confronted Cap during AvX. If I recall correctly, Uncanny Avengers was spawned from it, and Rogue was on the team. I thought it was pretty cool.
So many possibilities to explore!! I love the X-Men 👍😎
I really felt 9 years old again when I was watching this. Thank you Marvel, for putting out some good animation finally. Next stop: Spider-Man '98. They already did a "Secret Wars" arc back in 97-98. So much to build off of. The end with Spidey and Madam Web preparing traveling the multiverse to find Mary-Jane has bothered me since I was 10 years old 😂
What I liked about x men 97 cameos is that it shows the audience the marvel is big but it's active. Other stuff is happening as a consequence of huge actions like Genosha getting the halo reach treatment and Magneto EMP earth and bastion just existing with his transhuman sentinels.
It's a good fear! And youre not alone in it Rob.
What the first ten years demonstrate is that it's the slow build that creates the largest wave.
That and leaning into mystery. Indirect nods to old and new fans alike.
I dont blame them, instant gratification is an epidemic in these times, but if they really want to make an impact for the next ten years... they have to take things slow.
Let us live the moment.
They are literally taking things slow. They are building up so many characters for us to have care for them, getting to know them and seeing their story arcs. The difference is the earlier phase has the team up films which has been missing in the MCU.
Whoa!!! To be a young'un you ran through a lot in a few minutes. Lord Dark Wind creating the bonding process,he fixed Bullseye's spine with it. He was a Daredevil villain in the Miller days,DD 1st met Wolverine before DD went to Japan. I'm 50, just messing with you but I was lucky enough to read comics since I was 7 mostly X-Men and Avengers. I don't think they'll mess up. FOX is a blueprint for what not to do. The X-MEN need to be their own entity for a while I think. Good job Rob
mcu has over 50 years of canon and dont use it, they just twist/change or under utilize the stories that made marvel comics iconic in the first place. xmen 97 is what happens when you use all the cool characters that people want to see and canon. no time wasted on full origin stories - just a bit of information and then straight to the drama/action/powers being used = entertainment.
Because X-Men 97 is a continuity of the original series. The origin stories or building the characters were all established already in X-Men animated series.
@@blowc1612 yes, that correct for 90s kids but theres tons of people (especially younger folk) that this their first time seeing xmen or only grew up with the later movies. for me, part of MCU problems are that they dont give the viewer enough credit to figure things out for themselves. we dont need to see the Fantastic 4's full origin story that takes up 40 minutes of a movie for a 3rd time (for example). x97 is paced good enough and visually stimulating you can just easily roll through the episodes.
@@coolraul510I think u missed how most of the marvel movies these days skip the origin like Spidey and possibly new F4 film cuz they know unless there’s an interesting story there, people love bashing marvel yet forgetting great decision they have on the update of the iteration of the characters, let alone forgot they literally produced this show
Yeah I didn’t know much about WHO white samurai was and I still thought it was cool XD
@@coolraul510 it's not like it's still the 90s everyone can literally watch the old series. You don't even need Disney+. There are multiple CZcamsrs that covers the comics. Origin films are still needed. 1. It is the MCU's own interpretation of the characters. 2. F4 would be a fresh start and at this point, Marvel has to explain in regards to where the heroes had been with all these world ending events already in the MCU. 3. With the rumored direction that Marvel will take F4, they'll be set in an alternate universe. It makes sense for them to do their origin story because it is part of the world building that MCU is doing for Secret where all of the cinematic universe will collide so it makes sense for them to establish the other universes too.
X-Men 97 doesn't need to do any kind of origin since since it is a continuity of the original series where EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. There is also a lot of time vs a film since this is a series. X-Men is a very beloved series too. They did a great job on juggling the characters but since there is already meaning to these characters for people.
There are a few links between the teams that they can leverage.
Cap and Logan
Carol and Rogue
Storm and Black Panther
Hulk and Logan
Jean Grey and Luke Cage due to her being Misty Knight’s old roommate and someone that helped Jessica Jones through her mental trauma due to Purple Man
Totally agree!
I have no clue how Rob has NOT been hired by marvel as an advisor
The lesson Marvel needs to learn: You don't F with the Juggernaut
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you point out a very real opportunity for Marvel and Feige. If they hadn't been proactive about slowing down production to focus on quality, I would have been skeptical like you. I think if they focus on scripting then storyboarding then creating the film or show, we have a chance of more Xmen 97 quality. If they revert back to flying by the seat of their pants and making last minute changes to connect with upcoming shows or films rather than planning out those connections well in advance, we're screwed and I'd be skeptical with you.
i am convinced that the majority of people who like to shout stuff like "the MCU is dead" or whatever are kinda just fair-weather fans who joined up around phase 3 &, once it was over, didn't understand that the fundamentals take years to build up. i'm not suggesting that marvel didn't have a lot more problems throughout phases 4-5 but, generally, they are on-par, if not better, than some of phases 1-2. people like to revise history but at the time, captain america, thor, thor 2, ant-man, age of ultron even were not well-accepted at first & treated as extraneous by a lot of fans & critics.
I think you're spot on. Even in the comics, I feel like the X-Men get isolated away as their own story until there's a really compelling reason to have to have them work with other teams. Helping close gaps and not have such isolation would help the standard watcher make more connections and hopefully, rebuild the MCU.
This narrative is nonsense. As X-Men characters literally have been part of the Avengers. Wanda and quick silver were the newest members after the original Avengers. Wolverine and Beast has been huge parts of the Avengers. Professional X being part of the illuminati.
Agree %2000
The best stories are the ones that talk to other stories.
THIS BLOWS MY MIND!!! WOW. Adamantium being the result of trying to synthesize Vibranium because the scientist couldn't figure it out the first time? Man.
I only knew about the Avengers via the movies and then X-Men with 97. But hearing you describe how they integrate in the comics (if adapted into live action) would be such an amazing cameo and expand the universe! You don’t need to change what happens in the end nor ruin any of the characters… if anything, you’d have a better chance to explore their characters!
I do wish they go away from all this multiverse stuff, since it just doesn’t seem to be working. They’re just making movies that “can exist because of multiverse” instead of “good movies that happen to be in the multiverse”.