Why we need to mine the Moon | If You're Listening | ABC News In-depth
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- After the discovery of water at the Lunar poles, a new race is on to claim the ice caps as a potential fuel source for deeper space exploration. India, China, USA and Russia are all planning missions to Moontarctica to stake their claim. The 100-year-old work of a scientist is to thank for many of the discoveries powering modern space travel, even though he was dismissed in his own time. In this episode of ‘If You’re Listening’ Matt Bevan looks at the past, present and future of space exploration. Subscribe: ab.co/3yqPOZ5
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Matt, thank goodness people like you make programs like this. It’s a joy to watch.
Another great episode, look forward to the next. The move to video format has been a great idea, there's got to be future seasons done this way.👍👏👏👏
Would've been nice to include that chandrayaan -1 mission was the first which discovered water on the moon in 2008 & started new space race
This show is great! Why is it so short? There's so much trash that goes for unnecessarily long...
What a coincidence! I was just looking up whether there were any global plans to colonise the moon last night. While I didn't find much, it's great to see there's still some plans to use the moon for intergalactic travel.
Inter-solar system, not intergalactic.
Intergalactic????
I think you misunderstand what these terms mean.
Intergalactic is travel BETWEEN galaxies
Intragalactic (that's an 'ra' after the 't') is travel WITHIN a galaxie
Intrasolar (again with an 'ra" after the 't') is travel WITHIN a solar systems and using ANY FORM of chemical rocket whether the fuel is hydrogen or something else is definitely *intrasolar.*
There are two major programs - one led by China and one led by the USA.
Does anyone know where I can find the version of Clair de lune played at the end of the video? Also, loving every episode you've put out. Consistently interesting stories and fun delivery.
Don't know where to find this version of Clair de lune but really like Flight Facilities version of it. A very modern version but still very good in my opinion.
There is a version on CZcams from Artemis Music….(Artemis are NASA missions) of Debussy’s Clair du lune (Moonlight) that is their version called “Flown In Space” that was played to and from the international space station on 28th August 2021 by a Hong Kong pianist called Wing-Chong Kam..
best one yet!
Why not have a petrol station up there on the moon? After all...
...we already have sky-high prices!
Loving the videos!
Terrific video! Very interesting
Wow the latest episode of Insiders just had comments turned off 2hrs after it was uploaded... How hard is into either leave them open or have them closed from the start??
Everything you do you somehow make interesting :)
Two questions:
1. when does alien Santa visit the Mars base?
2. did you get out of the void?
OTOH: a good video. 👍
3 minutes in I'm thinking who would be first to go on a one-way mission into space from the moon. Then I remembered there's a lot of clout chasing influencers
Thank you. Great Video!
Great episode, great show!
Fascinating episode 🚀
Keep going Matt !!
The super cold fuel is designed to cool the trusters so that it would not melt from the heat generated from the burn.
NO its NOT that's just a benefit. The real reason you cool it down so much is because liquids are more dense and you can therefore put more fuel in a given tank size.
A shame Michael Collins didnt get a mention among the Apollo 11 crew with Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. He was often called the forgotten crewman...the tradition continues...😢
Great video
I thought that the Indian probe ruled out any chance of water due to the temperature being 200% hotter than what is required for water not to immediately vaporise at zero kPa pressure
Did you watch the video? Of course there's no "water", but there is ICE in the permanently shadowed polar craters, which we've known about for dcades. Are you talking about purely surface temps in full sun?
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No, I’m saying that generally within the ground. They probed the temperature in the ground and basically said ZERO chance (that means even in the shadow zones)…and of course I’m talking water in the elemental sense of the word - so ANY form of water even in the ground.
AND I watched a video discussing data from the probes findings
That's on the surface
I don’t love the abc, but I love this blokes videos
Cheers, Matt! A family member of mine helped with the Apollo 11 mission. It’s very scary to think what new and brutal ways humans will come up with to kill each other!
I'm only 95% confident, that him being 95% confident that the moon landings actually took place, is satire.
"Removing the need to yeet all our fuel into space" has made my day.
The water on the moon should not be wasted for sustaining human life there. It should only be used for fuel. Secondly, they better get onto mining objects in space for water etc so that we don't run out of moon water.
Out to Saturn, get the ice, back to Ceres.
Out to Saturn, get the ice, back to Ceres.
Out to Saturn, get the ice, stop at Phoebe-
The Expanse reference.
The future is going to be wild
The Space Force reminds me of the TV series For All Mankind when things escalated pretty quickly after they put a militarised space force on the moon to protect their resources.
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The un-authorised televised docking of two spacecraft and handshake in space by two astro/cosmoneaughts from rival nations was heartwarming. Two brave people plus crew single-handedly averting an all-out nuclear war.
Do you mean the TV series they literally show clips from in this very video?
@@veronicamcghie5238 They may have shown clips from it - I can't remember now.
New York times has not changed... People who mistakenly think they understand the world, printing little gloating articles poking fun at someone who actually had revolutionary ideas, and was putting effort into their development. Reminds me of so many other people who instead, today, will argue endlessly about space being a complete waste of money.
That apology from NYT is pretty worthless too. They haven't changed for the better since then anyway.
Except during COVID they were all about "trust the science"... "the science says..."... which changed every day
9:20 - "Removing the need to yeet all our fuel into space..."
0:04: 🚀 The video shows the launch of Apollo 11 and explains the phenomenon of ice falling off the rocket during liftoff.
3:31: 🚀 Despite facing criticism and ridicule, Robert H. Goddard persisted in his belief that rockets could take humans to space.
6:55: 🚀 Robert Goddard's rocket discoveries paved the way for space missions, and the fuel source for future missions may not have to come from Earth.
10:04: 🚀 The race to the Moon is on, with the US, India, and Russia all attempting moon landings.
13:19: 🚀 Mining ice in space is complicated and hazardous, and there is a need for laws to control activities in space.
Recap by Tammy AI
Nice piece, but I find the quip about Australians and mining curious. Was this an editorial decision? Have we really defined ourselves as a nation this way up until now? Is this the only way we're going to enter the space race, by redefining ourselves as a nation chomping at the bit to mine?
I also take issue with the way it was presented here, but technically speaking if Australian industry has something to offer the space effort that could be useful and not just redoing something NASA's already tried and tested it's in our mining capabilities and experience. CSIRO have spent decades researching every facet of mining from material science to robotics and autonomy, so if we want to get involved (which why wouldn't we? for $17m a year we get to say we've helped out on the moon and inspire an entire generation with the idea that they can engage with a career in space exploration/exploitation), offering our hand in mining makes the most sense. That being said, our engagement with the upcoming moon missions extends well beyond strictly mining expertise...
All we do as a nation is dig up rocks and send them to other countries.
Just a little question here, if we cannot use petrol for much longer here then why would they be placing one there, like a 7/11 or what?. Have they found the resource already up there as god knows we know barely anything they are really up to regarding earth let alone the moon and space.
India going to the dark side of the moon while NASA is trying to get more funding by promoting Aliens/UFOs...
As for Australia, our richest person is more interested in building more houses so that his penthouse is a few levels closer to the moon...
Finally, our climate activists will not let anyone build a petrol station on the moon 😂
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You mention Australia signing space treaties before we had a national space agency but neglect to mention the Australian teams working directly on this project? 🤨
Only problem for NASA is the latest status report on SLS states that it is financially un-sustainable. 2026 also looks extemely un-likely and the SLS upgrade for the Gateway station mission is therefore almost on life support. That leaves SpaceX and the Blue Origin Group to figure out a Plan B that is financially viable for NASA long term. Space is hard, and very, very expensive for manned missions. Time for reality check for any Mars mission even if a Moon base is established.
It was always going to be "financially un-sustainable" - space has never been the place to look for capitalistic profit outside of government contracts. I think the most important part about this current push is the autonomous technologies that will be developed to overcome to absurd scales required for our ambitions. It's one thing to be able to mine iron ore in the desert autonomously, if you can do it reliably at scale on the moon then you've well and truly solved it.
I'm Australian but did a degree in aerospace engineering in America. I was there in the late 80s when they were planning Space Station Freedom. We basically felt we'd be building that before going to the moon circa 2001. Those plans went down with Challenger. I was actually in Florida a couple of weeks before that and watched Columbia take off from 60miles away in Orlando. Even at that distance is was incredible. Even with the naked eye you could see the boosters disengage. The glow of the engines was so bright you could still see them despite the vehicle being hundreds of miles down range.
If you want to talk about where it all went wrong it actually goes back to the early days of the shuttle when Nixon foolishly told NASA they had to team up with the Air Force and then the CIA. At the time NASA had plans to use a variant of the X-15 rocket plane that was large enough for a crew of 4 with some cargo or a crew of 2 with more cargo. If you know where to look you can find plans and photos of models for the X-15D (2 seater), X-15E (delta wing), X-15F (delta wing with SCRAMJET).
The USAF & CIA scuttled those plans and although the Space Shuttle was an amazing technological achievement it was also insanely expensive which crippled many other programs which is why we are nowhere near close to a Moon base or Mars base. Despite the best efforts of same amazing people there's a long list of things needed that just aren't ready to use.
The other major problem that started AFTER Apollo was the US aerospace industry milking NASA projects. The long long list of projects that never delivered or were hopelessly mismanaged but did enough to get the next round of funding is staggeringly long. Its poorly understood outside NASA how funding is decided. I have an old classmate who's inside NASA and explained this to me quite bluntly 20 years ago when I pushed her on a couple of topics. NASA does not decide where funding goes. The committee of elected politicians who over see NASA decides and they decide more often than not on what money is being spent IN THEIR STATE and nothing else. Their decisions are based on jobs and votes and not much else.
That's why there's a lot of stuff that's NOT been done - politics.
@@tonywilson4713 that's really interesting to hear about other aerospace projects scalping off NASA budgets post-Apollo and definitely serves to explain the stagnation. It seems like since commercial players have become viable for something like supplying the launch platform for a moon mission, NASA's newer competitive-contract approach has been able to take the financial controls away from individuals within the system while controlling the ballooning budgets that they were notorious for in the Apollo days.
Agree 100% NASA is basically a front for political boondoggling and "science washing" defence spending. The $10B program to RENT moonsuits would not be funny even on Utopia.@@tonywilson4713
Interesting that the newspapers mocking Goddard sound very similar to the media mocking SpaceX was for their pursuit of reusability.
Thanks. I can see it now... *_Texaco - Star of the Lunar Roads_*. Star Trek may be the future we could hope for; Spaceballs is the one we're getting. Oof. Welcome to the 'Gee, you're hair smells terrific Crater'. tavi.
We'll call them Moon Unit Alpha and Moon Unit Zappa........sorry I'm a child lol
We haven't changed since then. It's going to be a problem.
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I know fuel is getting expensive, but I can guarantee its not cost effective to make it on the moon.
it should also be pointed out that yes if we had continued from the first lunar landings .. at that stage the technology wasn't there .. however if we had done the right thing and licensed all the discoveries and IP generated by NASA to NASA
Sadly humans have never been able to play nicely with one another, especially the bullies.
Yeeting into space. Hahaaaa.
Could they attach a petrol station to the new Indian restaurant?
Petrol on the Moon...!? 😅
You got the accent wrong. New York is not in the Southern US.
BTW I greatly enjoy your videos.
Not sure why the NYT would sound like a southern stereotype.
It's a running joke from a previous episode
When I got married a second time. I’d been with him for 3 years and we married. He quit work after we married and I ended up working 2 jobs to support him and my 2 children. One night he got angry because I laughed too loudly and I suddenly said I’m not doing this. I want a divorce. It didn’t go well.
Obviously my subconscious was telling me and I finally woke up.
Too late India is already got one set up... gas station and call center combo...
Then the joke is on you mate. Your grandma might just get scammed from space now based on what you suggested
Your content is good, but opinionated, and suggests that you promote possibly incorrect points of view. Do you have proof to say what you finally conclude with? You will change the composition of your listeners if you continue this. Suggest, tone down your final conclusions to be positive.
Uhhh finding "more ice that expected", is still less water than in the Sahara desert
Think of the cost of trying to extract water out of the Sahara desert.
This guy is just mindlessly giving a nice sci fi story.
Before you can extract the ice, you need to build a settlement get all the equipment for his mythical factory to the moon and provide life support for people working there to build the factory and extract the ice from the lunar dust.
With mars you still have the problem of exposure to deadly cosmic rays and radiation, people on the moon will be exposed to deadly radiation outside the earth's atmosphere for long periods of time.
Then you need to provide food for the plus 1 year expedition to mars.
This guy has no clue about the cost and technical challenges.
Just look at all the money spent to build the ISS and keep people alive for only 6 months, just 400 miles from the earth. And even then they are only allowed to stay there for 6 months, to avoid absorbing too much damaging radiation and the lack of gravity deteriorating their muscles.
Why the heck would you specify "petrol" when you just mean "fuel"? Obviously there are no hydrocarbons in lunar regolith, but you just know someone's going to be dumb enough to take it literally, even if it makes zero sense.
Wow, what's it's like to be an ignorant American and think that you own the centre/centre of the universe. It's a terminology for fuel that is used in several different countries, go out and see the world, it's bigger than just the USofA-----. BTW, english wasn't first spoke in Merica
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When doing New York times voice you need to do a Liberal Leftists from the city, not a Tallahassee accent
Well, given that it was the Indians there first, it will be a 7 Eleven. 🤣🤣🤣
😂 cooked
you need to research more and hindus are being attacked in Australia too! The untouchablity is wiped out in cities and education is for all! am surprised to see that you are not Neutral
Why are you so surprised to see a Westerner being wrong about India because they are drowning in soft anti-India propaganda by their own media? Isn't that what is normally the case? I am usually surprised when I find a Westerner that actually is up to date with India and actually knows what is going on here.
the title should include the word _fiction_ 😂