Classic Offensive
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- Join CS:CO's discord for all the information you need to get started with it: / discord
Follow the mod on Twitter: / csco_dev
And thank you to the team behind Classic Offensive for sharing their project and stories with me.
0:00 - Intro
1:08 - Early days
2:14 - Misc experiments
3:33 - Slothsquadron
5:47 - Classic becomes a thing
7:38 - Maps
11:27 - Issue with Source
13:25 - Release? - Hry
zool is a fucking genius, I love that you're bringing attention to his work!
"I knew about him before you all"
zool is not a genius, this was very easy to make, i made a mod just like this and valve featured a map from it in CSGO
@@smithytom7405 who are you again?
I like how the community has practically taken over and started upgrading Valve’s main games with CSGO and TF2. It’s beautiful.
@@smithytom7405 who?
Recent news: on their twitter they have already said that they only have 2 options, either cancel the project or actually hack the game. No license access from valve, this is a shame.
What does "Hack" mean in this context? Will Valve ban the mod if they "hack" it?
@@trinity.channel reverse engineering, it's not illegal but there is precedence by companies taking down games on copyright grounds.
I hate creative licensing. It's a cancer for modern culture.
Freaking lame. Valve's treatment of CS:CO, TF2C, and OF is really starting to get on my nerves. These mods could get a lot more done if they had proper source code access, but nope. I guess Valve sees them as competition, given that I don't believe in IP protection considering that they freaking allowed Hunt Down The Shovelware Modding Nightmare to be released officially on Steam...
They got the green light for the mod to be officially released on Steam but if they hack the game, they could only distribute it in their own sites (piracy). Illegal problems could come along the way as well.
"Classic Offensive is finally taking shape!"
and then CS2 happened
Yeah I want an update on the progress now.
@@SpaceMarineJeffwas cancelled
@@akumati86 Damn, that's so sad
@@akumati86 strange how endless effort from so many people just gets scrapped. maybe there was too much work and issues for it to be viable to begin with?
@@cate01a
It's because they decided to mod a game that had very little modding support to begin with. The game also updated frequently and on top of that broke everything after every update. Outside of maps, Valve simply doesn't want you to mess with the game and wouldn't want to give support for something that might leech players from CSGO/CS2.
It's always fascinating seeing talented people waste their time doing projects like these when they could have just made a counter strike clone in Unreal engine in less time with less restrictions while even having the possibility to monetize it.
Valve: We built this game from a mod of another game
Also Valve: We feel like this mod of our mod will hurt our mod. Just buy loot crates and shut up.
True, Valve has changed through all these years a lot. For bad...
man I remember when CSGO first came out and we were all excited that valve was giving us a much needed update. Now, years later, we have an out-of-date matchmaking system, broken anti-cheat measures, anti-toxicity measures that increase toxicity, and game changes that make the game shorter (harder to strategize and talk with teammates, but also less time to be toxic I guess...) valve needs a solid kick in the ass
Wasnt valve hated corporate greed or did i heard that wrong
Open fortress and tf2c controversy moment
@@fourze6113 valve has always been a privately owned company, unlike EA for example. EA needs to please their shareholders, and shareholders don't know anything about videogames or videogame communities, so lots of EA changes don't reflect what the community wants or needs (look at battlefield for example). Valve has never had this problem, so they've always been perceived as being better than a greedy publicly traded company like EA, but the state of their games and their lack of community support has started to speak against this. I'm not sure they've done anything for the community (excluding esports communities) since launching portal 2 honestly
I'm so glad that you covered this mod, Zool and the team did a really great job on this
they spend so much time, but nobody play it. So...what it for?
@@vincentvince2136 its still in the making
@@coloassalchips will forever
@@vincentvince2136 geez, the jealousy is strong with this one.
@@vincentvince2136 bruh
This mod is so aesthetically pleasing. The maps look awesome, the animations and weapon models. Just beautiful.
@Smurf who asked?
I don't know why they copied the bad models from CS 1.6 and CSS. They look so weird.
Its already dead
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it yea but that won't bring people back, it's dead already
@@boxenjoyerkona the mod itself isn't the reason for the viewcount this popular channel is he could make a video on anything and it'd get lots of views, it's dead because the playercount is really low which is a shame just stating facts
I feel like after CS2, this mod might never end up being finished :(
what da hell are your videos lol
joe biden one gave me headache
@@daftcow706 *good*
@@spuuud what the is wrong with you? this mod is so old now and still working on it, and more working on it if want they updating it to S2.
@@Name_cannot_be_blank not sure why you're taking such offense to this, i'm just saying that with CS2 coming soon it may cause some further difficulties with the mod. Hopefully they do pull through and manage to get this out cuz i love cs 1.6.
Unfortunately, just today Valve modified their modding FAQ in response to Team Fortress 2 Classic and Open Fortress; outside of giving the middle finger to those two mods and saying that sourcemods can basically never be punished on Steam from here on out, they said they're basically never gonna give out licenses "outside of extraordinary circumstances". So there goes that.
it's absolutely heartbreaking
@@FreightmareFTW Lol no.
@@FreightmareFTW amen
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@@FreightmareFTW lol nerd
Valve can be both so great to modders, hiring them in the past and allowing mods on the steam store, but then can also be lame about other mods like when they reached out to the team fortress fan projects open fortress and team fortress 2 classic suggesting they work together and then after they end up disabling their downloads they were ghosted by valve for months. Its almost as if after reaching out Valve realized how much effort they would have to put in and instead decided to do nothing. Its very disappointing for all the modders and fans involved. I hope that classic offensive can get access to the source code but recent events have me feeling very pessimistic.
And valve have just changed their faq about mods on steam seemingly blocking source code access except for what they've called "exceptional circumstances" vague as ever
@@jario9 I mean mods using leaked source code seems a bit shady, and for a game like CSGO with already a cheater problem, I feel a tf2-like source code leak will completely wreck the game
@@jario9 it probably has to do with the fact that someone also leaked tf2 & csgo source code which makes them more hostile towards the community. Always a few bad apples to ruin the fun for everybody as they say :/
@@jario9 This is quite true, however Valve are still a company at the end of the day and have to protect their product(s). The blocking of source code access is quite a logical decision on their part, after the whole TF2 source code leak. It can prove to be a huge economic and security threat if a games source code is just generally available.
That's exactly what they did lol. For a few years there valve was just sitting on their asses too scared to do anything in case it didn't live up to hype.
They're slowly starting up again lately.
I remember checking Classic Offensive in 2016 and was amazed on how Zool achieved the perfect blend of 1.6 and CSGO in this mod. Even before this, I always played (and still do) his Zombie Extermination mod for CS Source and it was so fun.
Classic Offensive done the 1.6 remake right unlike CSPromod to which got abandoned and overshadowed when CSGO came out and it ceased further development in 2014.
Zool is definitely the best modder for Counter-Strike, from his early work in CS Source to adding cut stuff to the game such as the C4 from the trailer or adding the MP5 before its official release for CSGO to pushing things hard for Classic Offensive and of course Noble Strike.
yah, cspromod had big expectations but then was a mfkin disaster
its always the nostalgia fanboys
@@tygrenvoltaris4782 ?
i remember how amazed i was back then just about the idea. I dislike csgo and cs2 not just because they got so far away from the feeling of the game,but the comunity is so bad due to cheats and tryhards,i cant wait for the salvation for a homepros like me to happen
Mad respect for Zool and everyone else who's worked on this project. Considering Valve allowed disasters like Hunt Down the Freeman on their platform, it would be absolutely insane for them to reject such a high effort.
If they reject CSCO it must be something wrong with Valve.. cmon
Thats because they dont have lootboxes in half life
its essentially different ideas, csco is completely based off csgo, while hdtf is a brand new game. where csco need csgo's source code to proceed the development, but valve did similar thing in 2020 and turned tf2 in to malware at the time which hackers can install virus to players's pc through tf2. and it left behind is limitless auto cheat bots.
That's exactly it. This mod has the potential to divide the fanbase, and Valve doesn't really want that.
@@chrisjuan9249 If you mean the remote code exploits they were just fearmongering. There was absolutely no proof of an exploit existing at that time bar some doctored screenshots. Also I think the bots would probablyl exist even without the source code.
I hope his project can have an influence on csgo somehow or get support to push it into an own thing. The open hall on mid dust2 looks really cool btw
Add it to rounds in the new style of show matches
I absolutely love the CS community. So many talented people doing stuff just for the sake of the game and its players.
TF2, Half-Life and Portal too.
@Smurf shut up no one cares about your crappy video
The early-2000's scene was great- it was full of very talented digital artists who devoted hours and even days into free mods, for other people to enjoy. Little did we know, the greed would overcome our enjoyment and companies would introduce shitty concepts like bad, unrealistic "skins" into modern games and introduce it as microtransactions. We made skins to improve our game enjoyment, and we did it for free. You can still see some of this in CS 1.6 today for community maps like in "m3 Servers"
only valve doesen't
It was the same way with the original Insurgency. I can't fathom why the Devs restrict modding, other than to sell more skins
as someone who played cs 1.6 a lot back in the old days and wasn't even slightly interested in cs:go. this gave me some hope, I hope this project succeeds.
I played A LOT of 1.6 and GO both, but GO never ever came close to the feeling 1.6 had.
I played like 2k hours in CSGO but will never come close how much fun i had in 1.6. Also am I crazy or did the nova shotgun feel better in 1.6
@@eskeladder7751 the nova is so hilariously bad
the auto is sooo much better, it makes me sad
@@theZCAllen yeah the nova is great at hitting people for 93 with a point blank headshot. literally useless compared to the mag7 and sawed off
@@theZCAllen I knowe but I couldve sworn it was a 1 shot kill close up in 1.6
well this project was thanos snapped
When I started modding for the first time, I used the ModDB version of CSCO as a base. My starting ground.
I've learned lot and it was pretty easy to edit stats and everything when I started. Years later, I moved on to MIGI and here I am, making mods to this day for CSGO.
I hope that CSCO will be finished someday and hopefully will be a starting ground for future modders to come.
Thank you for making this video! Even though I had decided to move on from the project after working on de_inferno, I kept a close eye on its progress. It's beautiful to see how much heart was poured into the project by so many different and talented people. I really hope the current (and maybe future) team will be able to push through and get the game to where it should be. ZooL deserves it.
Thank you poLemin Maps for contributing to CS CO 👏
when you want modern, but a taste of old stuff at the same time
Yez
Remaster/remake
@@apchistuz remaster is literally old stuff with new engine, so no.
Conservative progressivism
since CS:GO is no longer being suported by valve, that means that they can work on the project without the risk of updates causing issues?
Woah! I along with Tanooki worked on the 2017 version of Dust 2 for CSCO. I never realized it actually made it into the mod! Super awesome to see the new more recent version, I was super proud of the work we did at the time. This mod really did grow up over this time.
thank you for the map bro
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i remember hearing about this mod a few years ago and thinking it seemed really cool. if this mod was more popular i could definitely see it being my main way of playing counter strike
same
That's what valve is scared of
yeah bro this is probably why valve doesnt want to give them permisison
True
oh my god it is weezer (the avatar picture)
Back when this mod first launched, in 2015 I think Faceit even hosted servers for it and it was pretty popular for a while there.
This is how I played it and I went through a period of really enjoying it like that, I think it was just 5v5 unranked
yes it was a great time to play those faceit servers wish I still had the logs used to be top 15 in the world on storm the front. hate how they broke it with a random patch too
Ahh the good ok days
I *really* don't want this project to be doomed and be left to die out, or else I would say "All it took was a fucking source code leak to kill the momentum of an entire CS:GO mod. Truly incredible."
@jukita My brother Burt Squintington pissed in my drink and I drank it
Playing this on faceit was the most fun ive had on counterstrike in years, hope it comes back soon
It was on faceit??? When
@@TheMrSpectatorr back in like 2017 i think, they took it off shortly after tho
its like a dream game, i always loved the way cs 1.6 felt but also love how cs go looks like, its like a mash of both cant wait to play this
@Smurf nobody asked
I make mods for Gmod and I can tell you the anxiety you get when releasing a mod is real. You only have a short period after you release it for it to gain traction, and if anything is wrong or broken much of that precious time could be lost fixing issues you overlooked. It's to the point where I have mods that are mostly complete that I'm afraid to release due to a few outlying issues that I don't know how to fix and would potentially get in the way of it being a good mod. I got alot of respect for him not quitting a pushing forward in spite of these setbacks and issues, it takes alot of grit and determination to stay in the ring and keep wrestling with the Source Spaghetti Monster, and it's so much greater when you come out on top in spite of his noodley appendages.
I’ve been waiting since this was announced, this sounded so cool back then and sounds even cooler now. This is so fresh and the “base” game feels so stale for a while now. Zool and team, If you read this, KEEP GOING this will be a success and everyone that worked on it deserve it! ❤️
I like that Nuke has opted to keep the Black Mesa logo on the containers.
classic offensive is awesome, zool is genius. Really hope cs:co sees some form of official release
Thank you for the great content as usual!
I appreciate the gesture, but feel like it would be more worthwhile to support the creator of the mod instead to motivate and help release the project.
I adore watching how these little projects evolve over time to such great things that communities love dearly.
glad to see this never got abandoned
I would love to play a full version of this.
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I like how on the map spreadsheet the havana columns are like "no" "no" "no"
Exactly what I say when I join that map.
Havana is the worst, I agree. I really hope that eventually some of the more interesting CSGO operation maps can be given a retro version. Like, what would seaside or downtown or ali look like in 1.6?
This doesnt just look awesome, it FEELS awesome.
Thanks for the work and efford you guys have put in.
Ill definetely be apart of this community
Valve needs to understand that they're a big company now. The fact that they've just ignored ZooL altogether is insane.
Isn't that why they ignored him though?
Half of the other big companies would have tried to completely fuck him over, what are you talking about?
i mean what do u want them to do
according to valve there are always ~30 people working on cs. did you ever notice them inside their own environment? why would they notice projects outside of their own game? they dont care about anything
I mean they also ignore their own games so..
Remember playing this couple years back. Glad to see it still alive
The nice part about "This place doesn't make sense" when it comes to map making is that humans do that all the time in city infrastructure
they should make their own game
yeah, the simple solution that no one saw
i can tell u know totally nothing about game developments
@@excitement4386 correct me if im wrong but anyone can use source engine to make a game? so hypothetically they could make their own game that feels similar to cs but isnt.
@@brown9671 no
why would they, they want to mod
Brought me back to the old days. You can feel life in these maps. Hope to see it released :)
It feels like CS 1.6 for real mate, loving it.
I havent seen this project in a long time. Its really nice to see how far its come along.
Thank you for opening me up to this mod and showing it to so many people ! I cannot wait to see this out it’s exactly what I’ve always wanted :), wish the team good luck and would love to support them financially.
Valve really should just bring Zool under their wing, like a kind of extended community branch of CS. That way they maintain the "control" which is likely stopping them.
Lost lootbox sales would likely be thr case
@@WayStedYou Yeah, if the deal doesn't involve "billions of dollars" they'll look the other way...
It is always amazing to bring the classic icon back via a modern technology!
Things like this are the soul of counter strike and what makes the games so great for me. I'm thrilled to see this project getting more exposure, and I can't wait to see the awesome stuff this team creates. Thanks and glhf.
I’m super excited for this, CSGO is burning me out and I wanna get into this and hopefully it will have a big face it community for some fun games. Glad you covered it!
you have the perfect voice to be a podcaster
about what idk but still
I love how random this comment is
Just as I finish watching this I see their tweet, pretty sad.
"Following
@valvesoftware
's update on modding and license access, it is now very clear that our only solutions are now either cancelling the project or hacking the core files on every security update in order to fix our mod-breaking issues."
Yep blame hunt down the freeman and the source code leaks of tf2 and csgo. Hunt down the freeman embarrassed the company and the source code leaks destroyed all trust in giving away the source code for multiplayer games. Doesn't help it proved a false narrative that the gaming industry has been pushing that mod developers cannot be trusted.
Thanks for the video, love this project, zool and you
Thank you for giving this another video. Im definitely gonna play this when the final version is out.
this is great! one of my the biggest reasons i dont like playing the old ones are the buy menu, sounds dumb but its really clunky to me despite beeing used to other weird old game mechanics and stuff. but yeah, good job and good luck to the developers!
@Smurf stop spamming.
Saw fy_iceworld on the list, instantly flashbacked to childhood where I would spend literal hours playing on a map that's just 4 blocks of ice and a few small walls. Simpler times.
I remember when I played Classic Offensive on Faceit at some point. It was an awesome time and I thought it was pretty much finished even at that point.
Amazing to see the work put into this mod and how far they've progressed. I really hope they get the support from valve that they need to get this up and running.
Would be awesome to have a fun, less serious place to pop some heads and make new friends :)
I love seeing familiar maps in different styles. It's super fun to kind of recognise the shown spots but still taking a moment to actually know where it is :D
Valve ggive them a god damn license come on Gaben.
This literely smells like Valve, this entire project is right up their alley.
God damn, valve should just hire this entire team and let them do their job!
You mean 2001 valve lol
@@nikolasbananaguyy True, but there are still many elements in Valve that would resonate well with the CO project. I hope Gaben wakes up and turns the ship around in time.
I'm someone who really struggles to get used to "new things" and whenever I see a mod or new version of CS it bothers me but Classic Offensive is different. I feel like it is the perfect mix of CS1.6 and GO. I really hope valve will give him a license and he can make the game many people dream about.
Why don't you play cs 1.6? It's there, you can still play it and the best part is it's cs 1.6
@@trolojolo6178 I played it til 2015 and made a cut (including a 39 minutes movie). The community was shrinking and after 25000 hours since 1999 I wanted to make a break. Started active with GO in 2017 then. Most of my friends played GO.
I really enjoyed watching cs:co's development so seeing you take a look at it is awesome
I really enjoyed this Phil. It would be interersting to watch retrospectives on other CS mod projects, be it new gameplay modes (gun-game being born in CSS) or something like this which is much larger in scope
source engine modding scene is unparalleled. this is awesome
valve just said they are banning the publishing for source mods on steam, how that make you feel
@@kirillholt2329 didn't say that
Some of the weapon models look so much better than valve's extremely outdated models
That is a really good way of looking at server browser, never thought of it that was but now I remember so many people from my CS source servers on crackhouse and gungame,etc.
My friends and I love playing cs go, this definitely looks like something we would look forward to checking out
I know how hard these devs are working on this game but I would love to see how a this mod could bring to life some classic map from 1.6 . I always did love airstrip, it always seemed like I played only my best games on that map
glad this is being covered
Superb, i am amazed by the effort and the dedication by zool and the others to create this mod .
Good video, didn't know about this. There was also the CS Promod back in the day when 1.6 was kind of dying out but they didn't accept cs source so they wanted a mix between the two.
"If we release the mod without a server browser it'll die!"
*mod dies because it hasn't been updated in 2 years*
As a big fan of osrs and knowing how big classic wow has gotten, I can see classic cs absolutely popping off, if valve sponsors this (as they did with original cs) I can see a whole community exploding here! I never played css or 1.6 but i will definitely give this a go
@Smurf no
Thank you for this video, I hope this will help Zool with the license problems he's been facing recently!
Zool is a legend! Thanks for bringing it to the community's attention.
Another great video!
Valve please, give them the license.
as someone who plays cs since 1.0 / 2000 i can't stress enough how much this mod is needed. csgo feels so bland in comparison, everything is monetized and it's all about skins these days. i hate it. i really hope this mod catches on, thank you for covering it :)
@Pravoslav133 WoW u r smart! 🧠 👏
I agree with that but times have changed. I'm not bond with monetization but that's how games and companies in general circle around.
Valve will keep releasing more skins, agents, stickers and all sorts of virtual pixels because there's an already established market.
They saw this opportunity and will carry on with it. They want income as pretty much anyone, you know.
The fuck does this even mean? "Everything is monetized, it's all about skins"??? I have never played CS:GO, but if you looked at literally any other shooter like CoD and Apex which I play, you would instantly realize CS:GO is barely about skins. It sounds like a you problem.
Also "everything"? What is "everything" in CS:GO? Your skill isn't monetized. Your wins aren't monetized. Your rank level isn't monetized. Maps aren't monetized.
@Pravoslav133 Great comment dude, your IQ must be out of this world..
@@The_Viktor_Reznov 🤡
I remember playing this a couple years back, cant wait to return to this great mod!
Let's go, looking forward to seeing more updates from this project
i would love to play this mod, i really hope it ends up working out for zool
I'd imagine that Counter Strike 2 has now completely killed this mod, which is a big shame 😔
I remember when you first showed us this mod and i loved it thank you!
I've tried CS:CO a few years ago as a demo mod, and I enjoyed it. Nice to see Philip covering the mod as Zool and the team definitely deserved it. Hope one day it releases!
Im just doing my thing playing 1.6 while this comes out. I cant stand the fact that they made movement feel so heavy in cs go
I never managed to switch to GO like I switched from 1.6 to source, GO always feels wrong, this project is great I hope Zool succeeds and I get to play it.
go never felt like counter-strike
I remember playing this years ago and it was fun i will def be checking it out again. Props to Zool for being the best modder out there.
How much this reminds me of CSPromod. Good job team CSCO
Ah... this reminds me of the times when game devs poured their minds and souls into their videogames and created such masterpieces that, back then, reinvented whole genres. Metal Gear Solid, Bioshock, Shadow of the Colossus, GTA San Andreas, Fallout New Vegas and much more. Zool is refreshing, he truly is. A developer who actually wants to ship a complete mod -although I'd say it's more than just a mod- in perfect conditions. I wish him and the team the best!
MGS is the true innovative game i wonder why no one seems to copy or take inspiration.
@@jmgonzales7701 One day i will take the inspiration : )
wow i remember watching anomaly play this like 5 years ago, cool to see it brought back to attention
Really glad to see people finally talking about this
Yea... Valve keeps CSGO Source branch close to their chests to a point where they don't even issue new licenses (some games do exist on CSGO branch but those use outdated versions pre 2016 as far as I've seen). Either try to get a license for Portal 2 or L4D branches OR just forget about newer branches of Source and just go with 2013 branch that can be modded without a need to ask Valve.
PS. 2013 branch is just 2007/2009 branch but with SteamPipe, Linux support, Prop Lightmaps and Per-texel color tint masking for models.
Stuff like this is what makes me so incredibly glad that TF2 Classic is possible because of the source code getting leaked. As much bad came out of it getting leaked we have incredible mods like that that the community can easily install and play.
Sounds brilliant, hopefully I'll remember to check this out in time
This mod was super fun back when I last played it in 2017, I really hope they're successful with that Valve permit
i really wish csco and cs s has a 5v5 compititive with ranks and shit , it would be so good
They were on FACEIT
@@CanularRadio ye, but not anymore which is sad
One day WC3 and SuperHero modded servers will take off again. One day.
I was just looking into classic offensive like a few days ago funny that you made a video on it
I’ve played this or smt like this in 2017 and it this hit me with a wave of memories and old friends LOL
Classic Offensive needs a license. Value please fix.
this is amazing thank you thank you thank you
as someone who start playing 1.6 and css at 6 years old i love this i miss joining a server where you play casual with the same comunity like it used to be
This is absolutely amazing! Would totally play this
Looks amazing, great to see something the mod community can work on. But I don't understand where the audience is expected to come from
I want to play css: i play css,
I want to play 1.6: i can play 1.6,
I want to play csgo: i play csgo
I want to play a modern 1.6: uhh this kinda? except all the maps will be remade.
I like your idea of just dropping in the 1.6 maps and playing on that because frankly I don't see there being an audience for a 3rd flavor of CS. There is definitely a huge audience for replaying 1.6 incl. its maps on a modern engine