Porsche 911 GT3 RS vs Cayman GT4 RS: Definitive Track Test | Top Gear
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- Porsche has graced us with two incredible RS cars in 2022, and we’re here to find out which is best.
The new GT3 RS isn’t just inspired by motorsport, it’s a full-blown race car. The engine is a 4.0-litre naturally-aspirated flat-six revving to 9,000rpm and producing 518bhp. It’s got 860kg of downforce at 177mph and 406kg at 124mph, well over double those of the 991.2 GT3 RS it succeeds. But worry not, this is still not a slow car - 0-62mph in 3.2 seconds and a top speed of 184mph.
However, if you’ve ever wondered what would happen if Porsche stuffed the stupendous GT3 engine into the back of its mid-engine baby-brother, the Cayman… the GT4 RS is your answer. It’s the most hardcore, powerful and track-hungry Cayman Porsche has ever made. 493bhp, 332lb ft of torque and 0-62mph in 3.4 seconds. The question is, can it give the more expensive GT3 RS a run for its money?
Top Gear Magazine’s Jack Rix and Ollie Marriage give us the rundown on track.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:36 Porsche's RS Philosophy
01:20 GT3 RS Drive
04:02 GT3 RS vs GT4 RS Top Trumps
05:20 Drag Race
07:53 Downforce Demonstrated + Braking G
13:03 Noise
14:45 Track Battle
17:38 Which One We Would Have
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In the wake of the electric car future we just gotta give Porsche a standing ovation for making these beautiful monsters. Absolutely stunning engineering and design.
Electric car future is still not certain and apparently some countries like Switzerland I believe is banning charging up cars due to the grid
@@odinikita4821 the european union has committed to effectively banning internal combustion production cars by 2035. there will not be any going back from there. the swiss will have to figure it out.
F electric cars. The death of joy is abosolute
@@crimsonpirate1710 couldn't afford one anyway
@@crimsonpirate1710 you've clearly not driven the Porsche Taycan GTS, Turbo, or Turbo S varients. Nothing bad about electric power. Torque and HP always there. Ask a F1 driver.
Why don’t they do a top gear powerlap, it seems massively wasted if they don’t
They did it with the Black Series as well, just did drifts and didn’t do any timed laps? Then that’s all their coverage not seen anything since - pointless these cars are made for lap times
It’s the same with all modern top gear CZcams. They think they’re much better at it than they really are
I can only assume that the GT3 RS is not officially on sale yet, so they can't do it.
@@farishanafiah8461 nah they could still have timed it, they’ve done it on the last with stuff that not been on sale at the point they’ve driven it
The Porsche will definitely beat the Porsche
Even with the new GT4 RS, both Jeremy Clarkson and Richard Hammond would still think that people who buy a Cayman/Boxster cannot afford to buy a 911.
Because it’s still true.
@@cartergarnon6299 Funny you say that. A friend of mine has more than enough money to buy himself a 911 Carrera GTS, and yet he went on to buy a Cayman GTS 4.0 instead because it's lighter and more responsive than the 911.
@@farishanafiah8461 That makes sense. At the end of the day, it's about the experience you want. Plus, for my two cents, even if I had money for the 911, I might get the Cayman just because I might feel more comfortable driving the tires off of it and replacing parts. I always wonder about getting cars that are too rare or too "whatever" and if the owners ever really get to ring them out and run them hard like they're made for. Maybe they do, and I hope so.
Either way, it sounds like your friend made the right choice for himself, and I hope he as a blast.
@@JBOsurf And it won't make any difference to hardcore CHM Top Gear and The Grand Tour fanboys.
When "car people" tell me 911 is the only way and it's way better than a Cayman, I don't see them as car people anymore.
6:49 was the full 20832m track layout. The 6:47 done by the gt2rs was only the 20600m layout. So actually the gt3rs was faster by some 3 seconds. However, that gt2rs was on cup 2 tires and not cup 2R. With the Cup2R AND the MR package, the equivalent full track layout time was 6:43.
Your comment is more accurate and informative than the entire video.
@@Tony11442 it’s not accurate. The GT2RS non MR was 6:47 around 20.6km as stated but it was on Cup 2R. 992 3RS goes 6:44 around the same 20.6km lap. GT2RS MR with Cup 2R was 6:38 around 20.6km lap.
Didn't the GT2 RS do 6:40?
@@adbracing1003 No. the 6:47 was on cup 2, not cup 2R. hence why the SVJ was able to beat it. The MR package alone wasn't going to improve 9 whole seconds on a lap. however, the cup 2R also don't quite have the advantage people imagine, because it's a qualifying tire, it loses its edge after about 4 minutes into the lap. Nonetheless, over the full ring course, should be a difference of about 5-6 seconds.
@@dieselscartalk4146 they went back a few months later and went 2 seconds faster still
There is a huge tyre size difference between these cars. Cayman 718 GT4RS: 245/35R20 (F); 295/30/R20 (R), 992 911 GT3RS: 275/35R20 ; 335/30R21. I can imagine that tyres alone would contribute to a significant difference in performance between the 2 and perhaps not so much all the downforce hype. Although downforce gets the attention because its marketable? 🙊
The tires widths do make an enormous difference on high speed turns, which the ring is riddled with. Definitely a controlled ingredient as part of precisely separating these from a marketing perspective. IMO get a cayman and spend the $ difference on slicks or full R comps.
I have taken my 718 and a 3RS and a gt4, gt3 with the widest then gt4 then mine S. And the TIRES make A HUGE difference. WIDER is better and the difference is insane!
One of my favourite videos so far 👌
That shot looking down the intake of the gt4 with the gt3 right on its tail...epic
ok but what about the stupid sticker on the intake?? like why was it there was it really necessary?
It's a german car, so it possibly was necessary
no a fan of this video clarkson hammond and may are better
@@JoseRodriguez-ey7ju yeh, bit overkill
@@JoseRodriguez-ey7ju yes, to keep themselves away from lawsuits
The Top Gear YT Channel is everything the TV show should be.
100% agree - the current set up on BBC is absolute cringe and for me now unwatchable. These guys are great
absolutely loved that video. Great job guys. Great chemistry and even greater driving!
Please please please do more of the these!!! On the track, very clever handicap putting the more experienced driver in the car missing the massive downforce and braking. I would love to see same class comparisons with equal drivers running hot laps at the same time as hard as you guys just went.
Great stuff there!😊
This felt like the tv show more than the tv show, great to see how jack and Ollie have become so fun
and butter tastes and looks like butter, lmao
"How did they make that rear wing legal?"
*Viper ACR has entered the chat*
Subi sti 😁
Is the ACR even legal in the UK?
@@po.russki pretty sure it wasn’t EU certified by the manufacturer and would have to be a “personal import” subject to one-off approval.
Legal in the US and legal in Europe are two very different things.
I think the one the fly chassis adjustments are a brilliant idea. What better way to teach chassis setup than enabling AB testing of different settings literally back to back to feel what effect the changes are having?
The noise that GT4 RS made was incredible.
As always I enjoyed the camera work too (especially windscreen view, how did they do that with no visible cameras outside?)
I'm also glad they've added video chapters too. But they forgot this one at 9:16 where both of them almost went into the pearly gates, in a cayman
Seriously though. 😮
The real point they both picked up the GT4 is the right hand drive.
mixing clips prob, some of the same turns with the camera mounted and some without the camera mounted but with them inside,
The camera work on this was 👌🏻
Such a great video. The amazing cars help, but it's great to have two of you on as well
that’s the compare I was waiting for
Agree 100%!!! GT3 RS is undeniable but I always ask myself "which one can I get the most joy out of with my abilities and on the road?" Basically, 4RS is all the amazing us mere mortals need to smile ear to ear.
Top Gear team: this video felt WAY different in a GREAT way, keep doing this!
Loved this video. Jack and Ollie are so great to watch. Keep it up top gear these guys are good!
I check in here from time to time and I must say, this was good. Well done guys 🙌🏽
Kudos to Porsche Engineers Once again , Beautiful !!!
That was incredible to watch, amazing video as always folks. Happy holidays to you all.
Happy holidays brother
i am having so much fun watching. Can just imagine actually driving them. Awesome vid
The GT3 RS is super impressive engineering that lets it stick to the road but I would take the GT4 RS everyday. It has personality, it slides around, it throws you around while sounding amazing. May not be as fast but it just looks so much fun to drive compared to the GT3 RS in my opinion
It’s only not as fast because they detune it to ensure the 911 remains on top. If they built them to the same spec cayman would win
@@K1Kamikaze If you do not know what you're talking about, then please don't comment. I own both of these cars, plus the new 992 gen 911 GT3 RS...plus the 992 GT3 Cup car. They don't "detune" it. It's the same engine, flipped 180 degrees, to fit in a mid engine platform. The reason it has 9 less HP and 15 less lb-ft is because of the longer exhaust system. You are however, correct, that they would never let it beat the bigger brother GT3 (let alone the even bigger brother GT3 RS). The bigger reason isn't the slightly less HP and torque...the bigger reasons are: 1) way less downforce than the GT3 (and waaay less than the GT3 RS, of course), older 991 suspension on the GT4 RS whereas the 992 GT3 and GT3 RS have the first double wishboe suspension in those cars. 3) Even though it's the smallest dimensionally, it's the heaviest of the 3 cars. My manual GT3 is 101 lbs. lighter than my GT4 RS (and the PDK GT3 is 64 lbs. lighter)...and my GT3 RS is 53 lbs. lighter. 4) Gearing...the GT4 RS has shorter gears...but that can be good or bad depending on track specifics. So, "detune" is a lazy way to talk when you don't know the facts. The only thing that is correct is that they make sure it doesn't beat the GT3 family and, yes, IF all other things were equal (which they are faaar from not), a mid-engine platform would be superior.
@@jasonb71please take me on a ride on one of them 😂😭
@@jasonb71 What a strange way to agree with someone.
@jasonb71 911 platform for me also wins on exterior and interior design so it would be an easy choice for me..
The sound of the gt4rs has to be top 3 of all time. Absolutely incredible.
One of the most epic videos posted in a while. Great job. True enthusiasm!
Been waiting for clips comparing these 2 head to head. 🤙🏻🏁
Heaven above in my ears the GT4!!!!🔥
What a comparison, great content Top Gear!
I had the pleasure to take my buddy’s gt4 out to the mountains and there’s absolutely no way you hit its limits on the corners no matter how hard you try that thing is an absolute weapon and a magnet to the road. It may kick the back end out but it doesn’t lose grip it’ll just get out of the corner even faster if you keep pushing it more. Can’t believe something that weighs so much can just move like a ufo. It doesn’t even seem possible
Gs on braking and cornering... great test! Please do more of those. Preferably with a VBox, Dragy or any other reliable tool that can make it repeatable and accurate, also would be great if both cars have the same kind of tires, you can even take 2 equal cars and test different tires brands.
I don't think I've ever seen you guys shook. This was FREAKING AWESOME!
I love seeing the side ways driving through the turns! You guys were really pushing those cars!
Guys, Awesome video. Please make more like these...
i have heard a gt3 in real life flat out and it sounds incredible
I'm jealous, for real!
Funny you say that, I had a 991 GT2 RS blow past me at 70 kph and was still fishtailing, trying to find grip at least 130kph, insane this GT lot!
I don't doubt that one bit. What a sound that must have been. Happy for you.
I have a few videos of gt3 rs and gt4. They do sound good.
@@vipe650r oh yea it’s sounded so good
The gt3 rs laptime comparison vs the gt2 is wrong. The old gt2 rs did a 6.47 on the shorter old circuit, whereas the new gt3 did a 6.49 on the longer new circuit (circuit is same just different measuring zone) and the new gt3 rs did a 6.44 on the old circuit, making it 3 seconds quicker than a regular gt2 rs. The manthey one did a 6.43 on the new track and a 6.38 on the old
Great job on this production comparison test team. I'm proud of you. 🥇
gt4 is simply one of the most beautiful cars I have ever seen
Absolutely insane battle! Thanks a lot!
this really stood out from the rest of the videos. So good!
You guys have just made the best review of the year!
New top gear trio idea: Ollie Marriage, Jack Rix, and Chris Harris and if not, Rory Reid. Job done.
ı personally really enjoy Ollie's car reviews because his voice and excitements merging with the engine sound and exhaust noise and keeps the rythim up all time in the video!
One of the best things I’ve ever seen on CZcams. Epic
Amazing video , I will say best video of latest and greatest GT cars from Porsche in close look.
We are so lucky that Porsche is still making these monsters.
I mean, just the sound of that GT4RS is reason enouhg to make it car of the year!
For me this is the best video that came from Top Gear in the last few years . Thank You
This is the test we have all been waiting for.
I think undoubtly, this is ( 911 GT3 RS) one of the top 3 best sportcars in the entire world. Thank you Mr Ollie, and Top Gear.
imagine if they gave the engineers unfettered access to modify the 4RS as much as the 3RS. Same insane aero techniques and so on. It would probably be the ultimate track weapon.
the 718 chassis is and will always be inferior to the 911 one. There is a reason the 911 is their flagship model. The GT4RS could be brought very close to GT3RS in terms of aero and upping the engine power to match it but will always be slower than the GT3rs.
@@peeturpain9379 and that’s why they made the 911 RSR mid engine?
If you give the mid-engine chassis the same suspensions as the rear engine one they isn’t a lot of reasons it wouldn’t beat it.
And don’t forget that all flagship Porsches are mid-engine. 918 Spyder, Carrera GT, 911 GT1, 911 GT-3 RSR, and 919 Evo.
718s out of the box and all boxster/caymans for that matter have serious stability problems under braking - any sort of steering angle will cause the car to snap under braking if you aren't careful with weight management. 911s don't suffer this flaw. You can fix it in the 718 but that requires aftermarket tuning. Even the GT4RS has this problem!
@@redpriest26very aware as a GT4 driver. That’s due to the suspension geometry though and there is no reason it couldn’t be fixed if the mid-engine chassis did away with the McPherson just like the 992 GT3 did.
Brilliant vid, the noise wow!
I wanted this for sooo long, thanks 🙏
What we need is stig absolutely thrashing this car round the track and Clarkson announcing the lap time on the board
This was every bit as good as any Top Gear TV segment has been. Maybe some of the magazine staff should have been given a chance at hosting the show.
Every bit as good? No but decent all the same.
Very boring automotive journalism
Hard agree, I'd actually watch the main show if these 2 were on it instead of those other 2 nobs.
Great video, enjoyed that a lot.
Great episode, these 2 guys are brilliant!
The GT3 RS is actually faster around the Nurburgring than the old GT2 RS. Personally if I had to choose, I'd go with the GT3 RS over the GT4 RS. I'm not an old man, so I can handle a firm ride. I also just prefer the looks of the GT3 RS.
You wouldn't be able to use a fraction of the cars performance on the road, it would be a total waste of a great car using it for posing shooting flames in the high street, old man or not
@@4Kandlez The same can be said for any performance car. There's no way you can use a GT4 RS's potential on the road. And if you're buying a car like that, odds are you're a person who would enjoy taking it to a track as well. And for that I'd choose the GT3 RS all day every day
The GT4 RS looks way better to me. I'm tired of the recycled look of the 911.
the cayman gt4 rs is an absolute masterpiece. we expect the 911 gt3 rs to be an incredible car but ever since i first saw the cayman gt4 rs ive loved that car.
Mega ehrliches Video, Respekt dafür und mach weiter so 😊👍
Brilliant! Nice to see people doing videos that actually know what they are doing👍
17:00 The 992 GT3 RS (6:44 - 20.6km, 6:49 20.832km) is quicker than the 991 GT2 RS Weissach lap in 2018 (6:47 - 20.6km) at the Nürburgring.
that’s nuts
And the Amg gt is faster than both
@@nlsdrf1290 it has over 200 hp and shitloads of torque more. It better should be. On the other hand, the 992 GT3 RS is among the elite with the highest lateral force of any street legal production car. Its lateral forces basically equal the AMG One and proper GT FIA cars.
@@nlsdrf1290 That was never the point of my comment.
@@BVZTIII torque makes no difference on a track. Because you’re always in a high rev range. Did you not know that? Basic knowledge
It's not the numbers but the feel that matters.. Chris Harris and Porche are made for other!
Where would you most like Chris Harris to feel you?
@@peterbett3076 Not all of us will get a chance to test drive it immediately. Porche is known for its driving pleasure and that should be the most important aspect of the video. Anyone can search for the specifications and that doesn't require the video!
@@peterbett3076 creep
@@naveenaysola5989 thanks for clearing that up 👍🏻
PorSche! Learn to spell it right!
Wow! That was a great video. Thank you, for letting us live a little vicariously through you.
More like this please!! Great video!!!
That danger: intake zone sticker on the cayman is kind of cool. Not sure if I’d leave it off or on but I won’t ever afford such problems anyways…🤷♂️ 😆 these car are both Incredible in my book. 👍
It’s not factory. Porsche don’t have a sense of humour…
@@Meadie69 Porsche has a tendency to REMOVE parts from their cars and then charge MORE for those models. I'd say that level of trolling shows a pretty good sense of humor.
I've been trying to figure out where to get a pair of those. I'd slap them on my 981 GT4.
i have to say - you are really good duo guys !
That shot at 6:00 was something... wow!!!
That gt3 rs... what a time to be alive!!!!
I really love these two Porsches both steal my heart. Amazing reviewing guys and iam Freaking jalous great job ❤
Puts drive tribe to shame this video on their current uploads. Really enjoyed that top gear 👍🏻
More of this please.
Probably one of the best youtube car reviews ever!!!!
that track battle was insane
9:55, 10:46 Listen to that GT4 flat 6.
It was interesting to see the differences between the GT3 and GT4 class cars. I race a 718 Cayman GT4 Clubsport against other GT4 cars in a mixed class races with GT3 Cup Cars. The GT3 cars average about 10 seconds per lap faster than the GT4s at tracks like Daytona, Sebring and Watkins Glen, with similar skill levels of the drivers.
I 2nd this, I had a very similar experience as well. mainly between a gt4 and a 718 S.
Thanks for not making that boring to watch. 🤩🤩🤩
Brilliant video guy's and very entertaining 👏
Incredible pieces of engineering.
That GT3RS is so purposeful and aggressive. It's one of my favourite looking cars of all time. It's just mean!
It is really nice to see different that aero gives in real life , great video.
fun video, nice guys having fun with great cars and not tooo serious! love it!
That's a win win test!
Amazing cars. Spot on item. Well done.
Thank you for this blessing of a video
Need a one hour version of this please
Gotta love 718 front design, with 911 rear design
Both such amazing machines. I hope I can afford one some day. I do own a Porsche but it’s worth quite a bit less 😂
Nice comparison. I was always wondering.
What amazes me is how Porsche has always managed to keep a car born 60 years ago at the top of the podium, with a particularity that everyone has decried since its birth: the rear overhung engine.
They've always done well, and make us dream with every new model, except perhaps the 996, with its myth-busting headlights, but it's been improved, very quickly !
Thank you, engineers, and above all, don't sell your soul to ecological good thinking ! 😉
This was epic brilliant production and two amazing cars but GT3 RS for me
That GT4 does sound nice 😍
Great video, love them both, too bad you can’t buy either one of them for anywhere near that price if you manage to find one for sale… becoming a moot point with the actual market price.
Also, as someone who regularly tracks his cars I d say it definitely takes some extra courage to look for that top apex speed in 350-450 K usd car, track insurance or not.
Dedicated track cars make more sense at this point… apart from going to local meets to show off they are a bit too uncompromising and uncomfortable as street cars, even weekend “cruisers” imho.
Thanks for this comparison, even if it's a bit strange. As one of these lucky folks, who have shot the opportunity to get a GT4RS, I'm really happy with your final conclusion. Can't wait to have the key in hand, hopefully in 03/23. See you then!
This was pretty awesome for "New" Top Gear! Nice content!
Its based of the magazine the youtube station
It's not the same as the TV channel
Pretty awesome, the GT4 RS hung in there pretty good
It’s that 992 GT3 engine 🤙🏻🏁
One of the best videos I have seen in ages
I really like sounds when the 911 shifted the gear...ASMR!
The new Top Gear is awesome!
Bring back Clarkson
I never realized how much better gt3 lookd until they put them side by side
Made my morning guys , thanks !
That was awesome. Thanks for the interesting and fun video