Tom Haberstroh Rewrites Michael Jordan’s Legacy | Oddball w/ Amin Elhassan and Charlotte Wilder
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- Journalist Tom Haberstroh joins Amin and Charlotte to discuss his latest article challenging Michael Jordan's Defensive Player of the Year award. He may be poking the bear, but he has concrete information to back his point. Legendary stats keeper Bob Rosenberg, who was already caught giving distorted stats for other players, apparently did it for Jordan during his groundbreaking year in 1988. This new research adds to basketball's biggest debate, is Lebron James or Michael Jordan the GOAT? Also, did Wilt Chamberlain really score 100 points in a game? Did Stockton really have 1000+ assists in a year? And much more.
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The war to destroy michael jordan has been taken to another level
By telling the truth. Lol. Ok buddy
@marcusg1021 why even go down. That rabbithole unless you have an agenda
Cry those tears to Tom Haberstroh!! It's embarrassing doing it here 😆
@@marcusg1021 SMD
@@marcusg1021 cry on that
They finally did it. A full on Basketball Illuminati episode. Tom cameo and all. I can rest easy now.
So basically these 6 games coincidentally aren't available to watch but he just so happens to watch the 6 where the stats were inflated. 🤔
So he is lying?
@@rriqueno I'm saying it's suspect and unless he posts the games you can't say he's telling the truth either. Either way, if you average Jordans home steals to the same as away steals, he still beats out 2nd place Eaton. Not to mention, why just look at Jordan? If a Utah stat keeper admitted to juicing Stockton, wouldn't it make more sense to also look at 2nd place Eaton who ALSO plays for Utah???
This dude named Jacob on twitter has found the games. He watched the first two already. Tom is full of shit, apparently. Both games add up to exactly what the box scores said Jordan got. He is reviewing each game thoroughly, daily and he already debunked the first two games on Tom’s list.
@@Enemy_OfDaState oh wow....sadly I'm not surprised. Man somebody needs to post these games for ALL to examine. Can you give me his handle so I can look him up? Thanks
these guys are sheeple... they literally have video of LBJ getting inflated stats.. Does he mention that?
This is the same guy that got called out by T Mac for producing a chart claiming Rudy Gay was more clutch than Kobe. It's obvious that this guy has an agenda and tries to cherry pick stats to substantiate his agenda. The CZcams site Uncut Hoops did a good job of commenting on his DPOY claims. Those of us that actually saw MJ's entire career don't think that this award is what makes him the greatest we've ever seen in his prime.
He sure does - he needs to answer whether he specifically cherrypicked those 6 games to push a narrative:
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=rZB0VyegYRih8Aga
"This evidence is compelling." WHAT EVIDENCE?!?!?!?!?!
Tom didn't provide evidence for a reason:
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=rZB0VyegYRih8Aga
If you believe MJ's DPOY award is the only thing separating him from being the stand-alone GOAT, you're kidding yourself. This is the height of absurdity.
It's one of his fans' biggest talking point.
@@jasonjackson33 not from fans who know Jordan's true legacy.
@@inallairness What is his real legacy? He doesn't have the most in anything except scoring titles. Other players have better accomplishments. His defense has been exposed.
@@jasonjackson33Did you watch Jordan play in person? Have you watched every single one of his playoff games? If you haven’t, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about being “exposed.”
@@jasonjackson33 you can still delete your reply.
Release the tapes bruh, with all the money klutch has pretty sure they'll pay for it, if you can't show it then that's just "trust me bro" again, 🤦🤦🤦🤦
Tom won't for a reason. He cherrypicked those 6 games out of 41 total to push a narrative. If anything, Jordan's blocks were underreported while steals only marginally inflated. Very likely the scorekeeper counted certain blocks as turnovers/steals, per video evidence below:
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=rZB0VyegYRih8Aga
@@JeremyGraczyk of course he won't, only stupid Bron fans would fall for that, it's sad actually, 🥹🥹🥹
I'm curious of the reverse can happen.
Did Tom look for credit being taken from Jordan on away games?
Of course not. He's jumped on this thing with tangenial evidence and didn't bother looking at the away games for issues.
So he's basically telling you he's trying to discredit one guy in one year and only his home stats and not potentially help that same guy recover stats that may or may not have been removed from away games.
Yup. And notice they only focused on Jordan and no one else. Then he mentions LeBron as well. Like, what does LeBron have to do with a story involving Jordan. Well, we already know the answer. BTW, Nick Wright is involved as well. He admitted as much on his podcast.
@cyber6sapien this guy just went on the odd couple and left out the kebron stuff.
All of the Klutch guys are in on it.
I guarantee you Tom cherrypicked certain games and left out others to create a narrative, he wasn't trying to get to "the truth". An ACTUAL reporter reviewed 10 games' worth of footage from 87-88, WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE, and it looks like Tommy boy is lying through omission:
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=rZB0VyegYRih8Aga
now let's take a look at Lebron's assist counts over the last several years.
If this is supposed to move the needle in the goat debate which isn't a debate it fails miserably. Even if MJ's steals and blocks were inflated no one who followed MJ would deny that he played both sides of the ball. In Lebron's case there are so many clips of him just standing around playing zero defense or making a half ass effort on defense but of course they don't want to talk about that. Even though you don't have to dig for that footage too hard. And near the end the guy telegraphs his bias. I question his objectivity and motives.
This made me miss Basketball Illuminati. One of the best podcasts out there
Keep your third eye open
Are we going back and looking at everybody stats?
It'll start with Jordan and if it gains enough traction other players will be explored.
This was just a MJ hit job by his haters & LBJ meat riders! 🗑️👎
Wait, this is journalism now? People getting paid to pick a part stats from 25+ years ago. How meaningless can one’s life feel
@@rlh12345No they won't L I A R 😂.
@@chrislebrato2341Its sanctioned propaganda brought to you be LeBron and Co. lol
Took boy “months” to review 6 games? He lost me there
Sayng that the person who deflected the ball should have gotten the steal and not the man who retained the possession of the ball … seriously 😂
There's a reason it took months. Tom had to cherrypick 6 out of 41 games to create his narrative. The video below lays it all out and completely throws Tom's integrity into question:
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=rZB0VyegYRih8Aga
Ridiculous. He went looking for this specifically. The person with the next best stats was utah jazz center. The guy who admitted adding those for utah. So why was Mark Eaton blocks not checked? He had the next largest disparity. So why was his blocks not checked?
Cause he’s getting paid by un clutch sports and friends with Nick Wrong!😂
If the “home cooking” of stats was league-wide pretty much during the entirety of David Stern’s reign (and it goes back to Wilt/Russell’s days, according to Bob Ryan), why single out MJ that one season, when every star player’s home stats were enhanced, supposedly?
It's still happening today... The MJ article made a big fuss about the 176% differential... here's a couple I found with minimal effort on Basketball Reference
Steals at Home / Away
1987-88
Michael Jordan: 165 / 94 - 176%
2016-17
Jimmy Butler: 91 / 52 - 175%
2015-16
Jrue Holiday: 56 / 32 - 175%
2014-15
Bradley Beal: 51 / 25 - 204%
There were definitely larger home / away difference back in the day, but a lot of that had to do with travel... commercial flights, grueling back to back games, etc.
"But there was no mention of the fact that the Bulls - at least in the 80s/90s - had a circus road trip every November that lasted weeks in which they often played back-to-back road games on the West coast. They played 15 road games that season with zero days rest that season vs only seven at home."
How did Michael Cooper win DPOY in the 86-87 season? He only average 1 steal and .5 blocks per game.
exactly. On just MJ's road stats, he had 104 steals and 66 blocks lol
This is not calling into question the argument 🤣🤣🤣
I got bad news for the Klutch team - MJ didn’t get that award cause of stats - he got it cause of how he played the game.
Same with “the goat” debate - they called MJ “the goat” after 3 titles cause we knew he was the best we ever saw - best combination of physical skills and mentality - then he added three more titles.
LeBalco failed the eye test on every level - so they use stats to try to cheat it just like he used super teams to try to microwave titles cause LeBalco couldn’t make a winning culture - ever - which is why he could never sustain success in any one spot - and couldn’t expand his game - which is why he lost to Dallas and the Spurs twice.
You guys are still so desperate to discredit MJ for LeBalco.
LeBalco couldn’t pass MJ - deal with it. When you have to do stuff like this - you lost.
Take LeBalco’s points away that should of been offensive fouls - take the extra foul shots the Lakers get - we can play that game all day.
I hate propaganda in any form - we have so much of it today in news.
People don’t wanna learn anything they just gaslight BS like this - no one is gonna check this fools work and compare it to other players who won that award who I am sure had the same thing.
This is just cherry picking lying mess. This is because sports journalism has no standards anymore. You can just say anything.
Blah blah blah
@@skettinbutter3635Trolll
This guy works for Klutch sports - had to look it up before I watched this slop. Guys you are getting so desperate for LeBalco it’s sad.
In 20 years you gonna be saying - half of LeBalco’s points are shoulder chargers that are offensive fouls - and look at the fouls the lakers get - this is PATHETIC
He also said in MJ's 10 steal game that the Nets only had 9 turnovers but in reality the Nets had 22 turnovers
Yes, he's a pathological liar and paid Klutch Sports propagandist
Where did he say that?
you're a f*cking liar lol
It was the Atlanta game
@@chrisperez3614Look up the numbers in every Atlanta game the Bulls played that season. Not once does his claim of MJ had more steals than the Hawks team turnovers show that in the game logs. If Haberstroh is saying MJ's steals are inflated, than the other team's turnovers must be inflated too if the game logs are incorrect. But as of right now, none of his 5 games sample reveals Jordan had more steals than the opponent's team turnovers.
Jordan STILL gets to 200+ steals and 100+ blocks if you double Jordan's road totals for 1986/87,
while discarding his home totals. While averaging 37ppg on the other end. So even if you claim his
1988 numbers are inflated, he still got robbed of the DPOY award in 1987.
Did they check if LeBalco’s numbers were inflated??
How about all the offensive fouls he gets away with as he plays football out there or the extra calls the lakers get - this is just Klutcuh propaganda cause they have been trying to speak this into reality for years.
Anything MJ has over LeBalco must be discredited.
Hey genuis, if it happened in 88, IT HAPPENED IN 87 MOST LIKELY!
@@jmar5127 Hey genius - the "happened in 88" WAS HOME STATS. That's the point... DOUBLE THE ROAD STATS to get an UNBIASED ESTIMATE.
The claim is that the HOME STAT GUY was inflating stats.
If anything, scorekeepers on the road would be DEFLATING his stats.
SO....
Even if you take JUST road games and double the numbers for an “unbiased” and LOWBALL estimate- he’d have 208 steals and 120 blocks.
He’d STILL be the first person in NBA history have 200 steals / 100 blocks , and he ***DIDN’T** win DPOY in that season, but should've won.
Which games are these? Is it posted anywhere? Can we verify the said games ourselves?
Tom cherrypicked games:
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=rZB0VyegYRih8Aga
Why does someone need to be the best. Can't people just be great and you have a player you like and someone else has a player they like depending of preference
🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 Bulls played the Hawks 4x that season in none of those games does the Bulls have the same steals as the Hawks TOs. Looks like Tom smudging the numbers, but now he has everyone believing a tabloid style storyline. All because there's people that want to believe it Confiscate this guy's mic & notebooks
be careful the guy you all promote will also be under microscope for his assists, 7:26 etc. This guy seems more target Michael than anyone else. did you check the data sheet of the second in line of 88 candidate for dpoy to see if Michael deserve the award?
Amin and Charlotte Grow Up! #Mike will always be #TheGOAT and ain’t no cooking of the books gonna disprove it! LMFAO at this absurd video
Are we getting Oddball Illuminati for the summer months. I love both shows and I think it could work.
So is John Stockton, alltime steals leader is now in question?
It has been for years lol
@joshruiz809 WELL GO RE-COUNT LEBRON JAMES TURN-OFFS HE'S CURRENTLY the alltime leader
@joshruiz809 LBJ's defense has always been in question, unless it's a chase behind block. There's video of games him not running back on defense leaving a 4 on 5 situation
@joshruiz809 czcams.com/video/YHdEBsDZ7_A/video.htmlsi=3t9DNqsAV4p5wcWz
8 steals in the first half 88 against Boston
@@joshruiz809No
In another interview he said this was common place back then for them to do in home games so we don’t know how long this has actually been going on so why just stop at Jordan and he’s already admitted that he started looking into it thinking about the goat debate so what if he would have looked at the player that came in second place to Jordan in 88 for the DOPY and found that they were doing the same thing for him in home games that would still mean that Jordan won the award, but they’re so biased and trying to destroy Jordan‘s Legacy. They just wanted to focus on him.
There is no such thing as home inflation
@@nonamewillbegiven I don’t believe the guy story but that’s what he said
@@puncho8799 who believes what he says
Tom, how were you able to send you the video so you can watch it independently? Did he send you an email? If so, can you send it to me so I can also watch it I dependently and even create a play by play of the entire game.
I recorded games from 90 to 2002 on vhs. I have boxes of tapes in my basement. Glad to see im not the only one
All those "eye test" experts lookin hilarious 😂
💯
Keep trying Bron stan
@@Keepit_100trolll
@@nonamewillbegiven you doin ok? How devastating 😭
@@ddp5406 yeah I'm fine. Can't say the same for a Lebron stan
So thankful they ascertained 😢
Why not check how many times labron flooped in a game?
It's so weird that this doesnt have more views.
This episode is why I like good podcasts, every once in a while you get verifiable gold. Independent reporting with provable assertions without the conspiracy. Well done.
A Russian guy with 5 vhs tapes is the verifiable proof? The man just said there's a game that does exist where Jordan got 6 steals and questions if he's capable of getting enough steals in a season to get a dpoy.
He made thst assertion that only chicago home stat guys were cooking and that the away stats are legit snd haven't been removed or altered.
There's holes but this guy is obviously only satisfying yahoo's standard for evidence and not common sense.
@@YoMrRice he literally said that he started this report because he talked to a scorekeeper who said that everybody inflated home stats for blocks and steals(2 of the most subjective stats) in the 80s and 90s. He zeroed in on MJ because he had an 80% discrepancy on steals and blocks between home and away games
with the second guy having 59%. And when he checked the footage, it all added up. He didn't say that Jordan cheated, but that Rosy guy inflated his home stats.
@@ozekistyleSo going by your own statement "everybody" inflates stats yet Tommy the hater only checked for MJ shocker! It's BS "reporting" by a certified hater! 😂✌️
It's all BS but believe what you want 😂✌️
@@ATS21198421 did you even read what I said? He checked every DPOY's home vs away stats discrepancy and saw Jordan's 1988 as the highest at 80% compared to the second one with only 60%, pretty big gap if you ask anyone. It means that scorekeepers inflated stats but Bob Rosenberg from the Bulls inflated it the most.
Good job!! But now for everybody to believe you, you must make these games available for people to see and believe you. Anybody can say anything on the internet just to get some recognition.
Wemby is coming for that same season scoring record and DPOY. Keep your 3rd eye open.
This show has taken on a weird kinda “Inside Stuff” feel to it, esp the graphics and something about Charlotte gives me heavy 90’s nostalgia.
The NBA finals end. A couple of days later the Lakers name him coach after an "interview." Nice he got announced as coach after his commentating job emded for the season.
You double MJ's road stats in 87 and he STILL reaches 200 steals and 100 blocks lol. What are we doing here. Lakers shot more than 1000 more FT's than their opponents while being dead last in attacking the basket. NBA has clearly been helping Lebron from missing the playoffs every year
"double MJ's road stats in 87 and he STILL reaches 200 steals and 100 blocks lol."
Complete lie. This is why Jordan Stans have no credibility, and makes these claims seem more credible. It's not about truth to them. It's about validating an emotional conviction.
@@c.j.4620 yawn trolll. This is why you have no credibility
@@c.j.4620Lol you are literally talking about Bron worshippers, but keep on hating on hating.
Where are the tapes?
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=1s1Mn7wAVj8mCCR_
This research was 100% funded by rich Paul 😂😂
I looked up Lamarmatic's channel. He has no complete 1987-88 Bulls games on his channel, yet you got these games directly from him and he hasn't uploaded them still? Hmmmm...
Great Basketball Illuminati episode and T-shirt!
So where is the video evidence? 😂
That's Chicago's "😮😢outfit" wise guys at their best. They vote early and often...money 💵 money 💵 😅
Trolll
Where is the film cue ball??
czcams.com/video/4sLCFjTsOhI/video.html
@@nonamewillbegivenWhy are you mad at him? He wants the film of the game that Haberstroh is claiming MJ had more steals recorded than the Nets' or Hawks turnovers. We all want that footage. Unfortunately, only cueball Haberstroh seems to have it.... which I sincerely doubt. The original comment poster here is on your side bruh. He's questioning the supposed film this LeUnklutch employee has.
@@QuestionEverything562 aaah so Haberstroh is the cue ball. My mistake
What a coincidence that a guy who got his career started off by following Lebron to Miami and being embetted there years later has a random convo with a stat keeper from a completely different team who apparently inflated the home team stats. then that has him just randomly wanting to look at Jordans DPOY season and discredit it. No agenda at all.
Tom cherrypicked games:
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=rZB0VyegYRih8Aga
Tom, Amin and Charlotte been paid by Scottie Pippen. Hahahaha
dude had a 6000 word poignant piece based on factual based data analysis backed by video. He even sat with an NBA statistician and went thru multiple games to re-evaluate the box score stats. you're just in denial
@@JackFri27 VERY VAGUE,???
HOW CAN ANYONE FACT CHECK THIS??
@@JackFri27yawn trolll
Quick question Tom: Did Michael simultaneously play in the game and record his stats? Also, to be fair, have you done a deep dive on any of LeBron's games?
All of Lebron's games are easily accessible. It doesn't take much time or effort for even an average joe to check.
😂😂😂
@@rlh12345 no they're not Bron stan
Michael Cooper win DPOY the season before putting 1 steal and .5 blocks per game.
czcams.com/video/4sLCFjTsOhI/video.html
Lamarmatic is Latvian?! Hes a goat
Amin trying to get a Klutch check
Klutch indeed had some doing into this confirmed by Nick Wright.
Lebron live rent free. Lmao mj got caught now it’s Bron fault. I can’t with you zesty Jeffries
@@franknatti5367yawn Bron worshipper
@@franknatti5367 Nick Wright said it
The dpoy award is not one of the main things people say against Lebron. It’s definitely brought up, but the 6 rings, 6 mvp’s, and 10 scoring titles are the main things always brought up. Some young people still don’t even know the he won dpoy. You don’t wanna start digging into the stats if you’re not ready to see how much of Lebrons stats are wayyyyy over blown.
6:06 WHAT YEAR WAS THIS GAME? LETS FACT CHECK THIS?
How are blocks and steals more subjective than assists. Can we start here before we jump into their topic
This episode was brought to you by the fine folks at Klutch Sports by way of LBJ Studios 😂.
That’s how you dispute it huh?
@@DrPhill96 Yep. I dispute a heavily scripted bullshit episode with the sarcasm it deserves.
WELL THEY BROUGHT THE TRUTH OUT I DONT SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH IT .. THE FAKE GET EXPOSED AND YALL REALLY DEFENDING THIS SHIT YALL LOOK BAD .. IF YOU LOVE THE GAME YOU WOULD FEEL SOME TYPE OF WAY NOT GO AND MENTION KLUTCH
@@Reese13 - 🤣😂 Which MJ documentary episode are you talking about?
@@DrPhill96 Oddball, "Fronny." 😂
Do a video on LeBron’s 2011 finals. And then do another one on his 1v1 stats vs JJ Barea 😂
My dad’s name was Tom! He didn’t look like a penis with eyebrows but, same name!
[0:00-14:05] Padding MJ's stats
[14:06-19:15] Bob Rosenberg's stat tracking
[19:16-25:00] What does it mean?
Hey next time you have Tommy boy on, ask him if he intentionally cherrypicked games to create a narrative versus actually trying to come up with a valid conclusion. Because new evidence points to Tom specifically cherrypicking 6 home games out of 41 to (invalidly) argue that Jordan did not deserve the DPOY in 1987-88:
czcams.com/video/MD2kOti016U/video.htmlsi=rZB0VyegYRih8Aga
It's a sad state of affairs when a "statistician" and "reporter" has to be questioned on their inpartiality and whether they are pushing a (Klutch Sports) sponsored narrative
Jordan 88 DPOY = Phelps 08 100M Butterfly Gold.
How is this story not all over every media. The 90s is my era and it shows yet again how players of the oast live off their glory and highlights, while players of the oast 20 yrs ESPECIALLY BRON is dissected like a high school frog. Smh
LOL desperate LE FAQQUIT
Damn, Oddball x Basketball Illuminati 🔥🔥🔥
This is one of those stories that people are acting like it's some suprise, people have been talking about home cooked stats since I can remember, and it doesn't apply to MJ alone
There is no home cooked stats brainiac
It's sad it's only 6 steals who else did just 4 ?
This is all insane information, all except for saying Rodman got wrongly credited for tipping the basketball to his teammates after a shot - because that is a rebound.
The comments are in SHAMBLES 😂
Tom hurt a lot of feelings with that one. 😂😂😂
This actually will backfire on his face. They will find out later that instead of 1 DPOY he deserved 2 DPOY in 1987 and 1988😂
@@marbensamson1624 🤣🤣 deserved.?.. Somehow you want Rodman and Mark Eaton investigated to keep the name good
@@ILL_WILL912 you got that right DESERVED..
@@marbensamson1624 is that your opinion or do you have numbers behind that to show it's DESERVED
@@ILL_WILL912 watch uncut hoops so you can weigh in properly not only with clutch agent propaganda.
He is def on LBJ’s payroll
This whole thing is silly. Why did the NBA not have multiple stat keepers covering the game? And why didn't each team - the home and away team, have one?
We did this in HS in the 80's. I was the stats guy until I made the team later.
They did...this is a lie
That's the thing, there are both home and away stat keepers. They come together at the end to make sure their numbers match up.
The MJ article made a big fuss about the 176% differential... here's a few modern day examples I found with minimal effort on Basketball Reference
Notice how MJ's ROAD totals are more than these guys have AT HOME. I don't think people understand how much of a defensive demon MJ was.
Steals at Home / Away
1987-88
Michael Jordan: 165 / 94 - 176%
2016-17
Jimmy Butler: 91 / 52 - 175%
2015-16
Jrue Holiday: 56 / 32 - 175%
2014-15
Bradley Beal: 51 / 25 - 204%
Very basketball Illuminati-esque episode....🧐
10 turnovers can't be 10 steals in a game? There's been games where a team has only 3 turnovers in an entire game, but yet this guy thinks 10 turnovers can't just be 10 forced steals in a game...
The problem is that there was zero discussion on who may have been robbed. Because MJ still deserved it even if you back out the inflated blocks and steals.
Did ya'll look into Stockton's assists this thoroughly?
He was mentioned in the article written by Tom.
@@jasonjackson33yawn trolll
That DPOY is NOT the main reason LOL - Klutch plants are SO desperate lmao.
Now report on LeBalco and biogenesis.
Cold hard facts are hurting your feelings
@@skettinbutter3635What "facts" are you referencing? Name one "fact" stated with proof lol.
@@skettinbutter3635 no facts given trolll
@@nonamewillbegiven6847 shush fangirl
@@ShineAsTheSun-jb5bz fangirls
1994-95 Muggsy Bogues
Assists:
Home: 415 (10.4) - 55 turnovers
Away: 260 (6.8) - 77 turnovers
Assist to turnover ratio:
Home: 7.55
Away: 3.38
CAREER:
Home: 3632 (8.0) - 729 turnovers
Away: 3094 (7.1) - 704 turnovers
Assist to turnover ratio:
Home: 4.98
Away: 4.39
They are literally "Klutching at the straws", to tear down MJ's legacy.
What will happen now, is people will now start scrutinised Lebrons assists. He gets credited a lot of assists at home, where he has passed the ball to a teammate, and there has been dribble blow buys for layups, in a 1 on1 possession, they score and they give Lebron an assist.
So let me get this straight. Says every home team inflates stats but don’t worry it only help Jordan. Come on what a joke.
So @oddball why didn't y'all ask who was voting for defensive player of the year?? And if mike would have won without the padding and if not then who should have won
No padding found
Isn't it odd that someone is investigating only 1 dude, when this happens in home arenas all the time
BOOM
No it doesnt
Well, now it’s time that they release the wilt 100 point game tape-- I know it exists
Hey Haverstrol,talk about the EPO Steroids ur boy Bron has been taking his entire career,now that's a story!!!
He didn't rewrite a damn thing. He and Klutch Sports attempted a slander campaign and got throughly shut tf down.
WHERES THE FACTS?
czcams.com/video/4sLCFjTsOhI/video.html
I don't think Jordan asked for that. He probably would have won it anyways. I don't believe some of these stories people have been lying forever man.
Well he constantly went to the scorers table to see how many assist and blocks he needed to get a triple double so it doesn't seem fsr fetched
@@jmar5127 MJ only had 28 triple double in his career. I guess it didn't work that well.
Excellent work Tom! Brilliant job on this one.
Be quiet smooth brain
@@nonamewillbegiven 😂😂😂
@@PRBoricua23 man y'all be so desperate
@@nonamewillbegiven 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@PRBoricua23 and more emojis
Scottie been trying to tell y'all. MJ played under a different set of rules and standards for the vast majority of his career. Just like Phil Jackson used to tell the refs, "The NBA wants that called, but not on HIM!"
Scottie Pippen-Charter member of the Playa Hater Hall of Fame.
And Mike still didn’t stomp his feet and whine about it when he didn’t get the call
@@Reese13with the truth right in front of yall you still in denial .. just sit back and think about what this means!… Who knows how much of the rest of his career stats where padded for him.. how great is that?
@@TheRealMichaelP that dont compare to the goat having his stats padded for him smh yall dont really love the game and it shows
@@Keepit_100 Are you so bored, that you wait on pins and needles for ANYTHING that puts Jordan in a bad light? Fine, you can have the DPOY. Happy?
what hurts his argument is that he was able to watch 5 games only.
What hurts his argument even more is the fact that he didn't release the footage of those 5 games so that they can be independently reviewed. He has those VHS tapes in his possession. If he's so confident on what he observed on those 5 tapes, if that footage does in fact support what he alleges in his article, why hasn't he made the footage available for impartial evaluation? We have to simply take his word on what he observed in those 5 games?!!
41 total home games.
5 games analysed, but cannot be independently reviewed because he hasn't released the footage.
1 game found online but showed no evidence of stat inflation, the film matched the box score.
35 games excluded from analysis.
Oh and there's the unsubstantiated comments made on a Podcast, by a Statkeeper who never worked for the Bulls.
I didn't think it was possible but this particular Jordan smear campaign is even more embarrassing than "We done with the 90's" and "MJ had no left".
@@theresaking7020there is an nba analysts that had reviewed and confirmed the findings
@@theresaking7020 agreed, the article wasn't even worth the time to write, with very little support and not having the whole season 77 more games to review....
This guy really didn’t expose anything. The majority of people are still going to say Jordan is the goat poll after poll that comes out because they realize that the media is on a witch hunt to try to discredit Jordans legacy to uplift LeBron.
Amin doing LeBrons and Pablo Torres dirty work
This episode feels heavily scripted.
This Almost as good as when ppl started watching the games from the 90s and realized they couldn’t dribble left or shoot 😂😂😂
Keep trying trolll
Dude gave it all away bringing up LeBron. If keeping track to stats is important maybe watch LeBron assists after all isn’t that what makes LeBron so great.
What kind of fool watches a video of someone proving that Jordan was gifted stats, gifted 18 steals in a 6 game stretch and still try to defend his award and all defense selections… this is pure comedy. They literally donated 3 steals a game to the man and people are out here defending it. Get over it, Jordan isn’t what you thought he was and that’s ok. He’s still a great player, but lord knows how much stats were gifted to him during his career. And if the games don’t ever get released to the public, people have every right to doubt everything about it.
A Klutch Sports schill with not one athletic bone in his body, who never saw MJ play, is now discrediting MJ!? Okay.
Y'all learned today!!!!
Need real proof.
Rich Paul is behind the scenes paying people to dampen Jordan's legacy
LOL FIVE TAPES!!!! OUT OF 41 home games? Why did he go after one guy, one year, one award in an era of inflated stats? LOL LOL yeah you are SUS