Stalingrad in Popular Memory - The Battle Remembered
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- Stalingrad in Popular Memory
With Ian Garner
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In today's show, Dr Ian Garner joins us to talk about how the Russians have looked at the battle for Stalingrad from the end of the campaign until today. We will be asking questions such as: is Stalingrad still important in the collective Russian memory today? If so, what's the story that Russians remember? Also, why Stalingrad? Why not, for example, the defeat of German forces at Moscow in 1941. How does the historiography and understanding change through the Stalin years, the post-Stalin Soviet era, and the current post-Soviet era?
Ian Garner is currently writing a book about Stalingrad in Popular Memory www.igarner.net/ / irgarner
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One of the hardest experience read from Stalingrad stories is the state of misery that faced the soldier...fleas, starvation, extreme cold, and maybe what completes that hell: lack of sleep... that's a true hell... beyond belief!
I liked the German 1993 "Stalingrad" movie better than the Russian version from 2013 although in both films the German actor Kretschmann played the German officer. Nice interview again.
Great perspective of the Russian views of Stalingrad and how they have changed over the years. Ian is a skilled presenter who easily explains his key ideas. Look forward to seeing him back when his book is done.
I've read the series of books authored by D.M. Glantz and J.M. House on this battle and boy were they thorough, same with a couple of the books put out by J.D. Marks which more focus on specific German units that fought in the battle - though all of these books were strictly focused on the operational aspects of the battle. As well, I've read Grossman's "Life And Fate" and Beevor's "A Writer At War" which focuses on Grossman's life during the Second World War.
This video was a very interesting change of pace from everything I've learned about the battle to this point, from a social/cultural perspective. Your channel does very well in that regard, bringing in a plethora of historians/authors to talk about and bring light to really niche subjects from WWII.
One comment I would make relates to the topic of conversation at the 52 - 53 minute mark. I would imagine that any western visitors to Volgograd, who are furthermore interested in a battlefield tour of the city are more than likely amateur historians, interested in the operational aspects of the battle. Simply for the fact that they're visiting some far off place, in a far off country. Whereas Russians visiting the city who partake in a battlefield tour are there more for the cultural experience of the tour. As always, great video - liked and subbed for some time now.
Thank you
I have the glantz set along with the companion book and I have both books to stalingrad by Grossman outstanding read did u watch the mini series to life and fate
A writer at War is Grossman as well
11 out of 10 for getting this guy on. The range of perspectives this channel brings to bear is utterly superb, thoroughly enjoyable and an example to others; bravo!
I can not believe I missed this episode at the time. excellent.
I know I have commented on a lot of your interviews Paul (and so many of them are so good) but this is such a great one and so frighteningly topical (as was Pritt Buttar's comment about the memorialization of Rzhev in his talk).
Excellent Guest look forward to reading his book when it comes out
Fascinating presentation on a subject we are still learning so much about!
Among many important points, the one about the human side of war may be tops.
Stalingrad seen from the Russian side. Makes much sense and yet unknown. Well done to bring it forward.
Great episode. Loved it.
Fabulous video. Fantastic. Thumbs up.
That monument to the heroes of Stalingrad with that Torso was made after the face of Field Marshal Zjukov.
I think both versions are outstanding
That was brilliant, Ian was a fantastic.
i enjoyed that , yet again .. engaging fella Mr Garner
Fabulous episode. Impressive scholarship, touching insights and completely new (to the west) perspective. Yet another confirmation that there is so much more to study and know than the usual stuff.
Correcting a mistake - the casualties of the red army in stalingrad are above million men, the number of killed are around half a million men.
Sad I missed this one. Comparing this history is interesting especially juxtaposing it with the burying the story of Operation Mars at Rzhev happening at the same time.
As another comment, I wanted to second Ian's comment about Life and Fate. One of my favorite novels of all time.
I have life and fate on dvd its outstanding but there are 2 main sequences that are out
Thanks!
Thank you very much
@@WW2TV My pleasure, sir! I am still struggling to get patreon to approve my card for payment to join as a platoon sergeant. Patreon issue?
I've had lots of people sign up recently, so can only think it's a problem at your end
Didn't manage to make the broadcast. It would have been interesting to hear whether the influence of the Civil War battles around Tsaritsyn where it was known as Red Verdun would have influenced the writing more than War & Peace or was there very little written about that time?
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Great presentation on an aspect of the war that doesn't get a huge amount of attention. Interestingly, just today, the Russian foreign affairs ministry referred to an "infoBarbarossa" following a ban from Utube on Russia Today (RT) Germany....
There are also ANZAC services every 25th April in France.
Great episode I liked it the Soviet's did not know if they would win , and it slowly dawned on Germans that they could not win too far from German supply lines railways running in different directions etc Stubborn resistance from Soviet militia, regular army, guard divisions,NKVD, police, marines and ad hoc composite units; dog destroyer units, pioneers,etc. Just a jumbled mess!
Great work 👍👍👍😊😊😊
When you were talking about how Western WW2 movies only had token minorities I immediately thought of 'Go For Broke' about the Nisei fighting in Europe. I guess the exceptions prove the rule.
can’t wait to read this
uk writer michael k jones published a marvellous russo-centric book in 2010
on the battle …
Stalingrad: How The Red Army Triumphed.
David M Glantz did the foreword.
topics that jones explored include chuikov, the nkvd, red army morale and sniperism
the best story is Chuikov’s introduction to Alexander Rodimtsev in the heat of it on on Mamayev after he’d led his 13th Guards Div across the river in broad daylight … in king’s telling, dishevelled rodimtzev’s first words to the teasing chuikov were ‘fuck your mother, comrade commander’ … it sent the besieged HQ up in gales of laughter
'' Putins regime starts to rely on the myth of war '' .. how right was he !!
Isn't this the guy that went off on TIK ?
I have no idea
@@WW2TV I think I might be wrong about that.
@@WW2TV TIK or TIKhistory on youtube has been doing an amazing series on Stalingrad. It's very much a blow by blow account of the battle but also includes the politics and logistics involved. This video presented here on your channel (which i highly regard) gives a fascinating insight into the myths, legends and modern perspective of Stalingrad. Combined they give this viewer both a practical and ongoing psychological understanding of this hugely significant conflict. To understand Stalingrad all the facets need to be examined. Thanks for what you do, Woody.
A good session to listen to,,but the guest is speaking of his interpretations and (no offence) imaginations.....
The interpretations of a Russian speaking expert on the subject
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Errr, I care about both, don't you? Bye
Funny how this critique of relegiousness about the battle is comming from a country (USA) which has a shire for a ridiculuos little battle of the Alamoo :D where the country pretends to be a victim of aggression even when it is in the process of conquring territory. To indicate how joke the battle is the number of defenders were 260.