SS Leadership in Hitler's War - Dr Philip Blood
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- SS Leadership in Hitler's War
With Dr Philip Blood
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Dr Philip Blood is an independent historian of social, cultural and digital histories. His research has included the study of Luftwaffe war crimes and participation in the Holocaust and his PhD research was in Bandenbekämpfung - Nazi security warfare.
In this show Philip will talk about SS leadership: bandit hunting, racial extermination and postwar myths.
Hitler's Bandit Hunters: The SS and the Nazi Occupation of Europe by Phillip W Blood
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i'm so proud of myself to have accidentally found this channel and immediately locked on to it. for me, when i watched dr phil talk i was swept away. if you're new here please explore.
Possibly the best yet, the systematic destruction of the SS myth.
Dr Philip Blood is bloody amazing. I'm binge watching everything he's said. Thanks for introducing Dr Blood to me.
Seeing the SS through the lens of management consultancy and learning organisations is fascinating and appalling in equal measure.
Peter Blood is one of the greatest British military historians that we must get more of. Given that he trained under the ultimate gentleman historian, the late great Richard Holmes, one can see who crafted his talents. Indeed a very lucky man!!!
The best show on WW2TV to date!
The original ideas Phil presented here only reinforce the contempt one should feel for this hydra-headed gang of cretins. They are beyond redemption after this.
Fantastic deconstructing of the lunacy of the SS.
I've studied and work professionally with the implementation of organisational theory and psychology, and seeing these tools applied to the case of the SS and the nazi state has been highly enlightening. Thank you.
You are very welcome 7 se7en
This is proper historical research and analysis . Makes so much on this subject which has gone before look rather superficial
That was AMAZING. Just, wow! I'm going to have to watch it again.
The value and importance of this presentation cannot be overstated! Superb job of research!
Astounding insight. Dr Phil Blood is a breath of fresh air versus the Wehraboo's propaganda, or rather, a demolition charge! Great video!
Yeah totally, so fresh and new his information, I mean when I turn on my TV here in the western world I see Wehraboo propaganda 24/7, like literally!
Yes, an amazing analysis, from a ..... business and organisation angle. Having now heard Dr Blood, the method seems so obvious.
This was a great insight into the SS and how it turned so many of the youth and volunteers through indoctrination warping their views and normalizing brutality giving them a sense that they were elite when in fact they were brainwashed tools. Dr Bloods research is profound and really helps to make sense of how they became what they became. Another book added to my list of must read. Thanks Paul I have been thoroughly enjoying the rediscovery and finally scratching through the surface to find truth.
I know Philip’s reputation and his work, but he has knocked it far out of the park with this. Down to earth, full of insights: loved the link to organisation theory and the matrix structure. Watch it and learn!
Incredibly informative, by far some of the best ww2 stuff on CZcams
A fascinating presentation and a great way to present the same from its beginning to the end. Thank you dr blood
Superb presentation and insight by Dr. Philip Blood.
Each time I watch this presentation I learn something new and simply marvel at the sheer amount of research behind it.
A remarkable show. Thank you Phil and Woody. So much to digest from that.
Anyone else reminded of the Star Trek TOS episode Patterns Of Force while hearing this video about the SS?
Anyone else reminded of the Star Trek TOS episode Patterns Of Force while hearing this video about the SS?
Anyone else reminded of the Star Trek TOS episode Patterns Of Force while hearing this video about the SS?
Anyone else reminded of the Star Trek TOS episode Patterns Of Force while hearing this video about the SS?
Anyone else reminded of the Star Trek TOS episode Patterns Of Force while hearing this video about the SS?
perhaps one of the best SS presentations on CZcams, amazing stuff.
This was amazing be good to get Phil back
Yeah that was brilliant. I’m going to have to watch it through again but thanks Dr for an amazing presentation. Another great guest whose back and forward catalog I’m going to have to work through.
Also what radiates is the idea that: it is their SS noble struggle and calling , their virtuous effort to remove what they define as dirty or wrong. Absolutely mindboggling. I never thought they felt that they were noble and right. I always thought they acted as the bully mafia tyrant that does what they want and just gets down to the dirty business. This is a very important presentation.
Himmler constantly overused the word 'decent'. Both in his speeches and written correspondence.
considering all the other crazy things they believed...
Spellbinding--I can't think of anything else to describe what I just watched. What an exceptional amount of research that had to be done to get to this point--wow. Pretty well dispelled the superman theory. This is going to take a bit of processing! Thanks Dr Blood and thanks Paul--outstanding program!!
I always thought Stalin hung Poland out to dry because of personal prejudice against them . To hear that it was an honest tactical move to stay out of a German trap changes my paradigm on this issue .
just caught up and watched this. An incredible show, learned so much new information about the SS from Dr. Blood, he is an incredible presenter!
He certainly is
Wow, amazing information and analysis. Thank you.
What a fantastic talk. I came in skeptical and left thinking hard. I didn't expect management theory to be deployed to such devastating effect.
So much interesting stuff here. Have relistened to some bits and my brain is full. Will have to go through this again as there is too much for one session
Interesting and informative. Special thanks to guest speaker Dr. Blood. Excellent idea using the (pc) picture slides. Enabling viewers to better understand what he was describing. Did a very good job presenting actual facts from fiction. Class A research project.
This was a fantastic video! Very very interesting! Like others I am especially intrigued by the Warsaw 1944 hypothesis presented and how it differs from the traditional view that Stalin held the Red Army back deliberately to allow the Germans time to destroy as much of the Polish Home Army as possible, so as to weaken any ability of the Poles to then form an army post war to resist long-term Soviet Occupation...
Would love to hear more about this and what supports that alternative conclusion (including did the Germans really have sufficient powerful reserves available in the East to pull off an encirclement in Poland while holding back Soviet forces on both flanks - especially given situation in the West and the need to rebuild all the shattered panzer division formations that fled from Falaise, combined with the loss of the brand new 'green' panzer brigades in September/October)?
Wonderful presentation. Dr Blood is a great communicator. The thing that struck me most was they were all volunteers
I will repeat my former reply which I deleted myself: later in war (1943) certainly NOT all were volunteers.
Maybe Mr. Blood was talking specifically about the early SS. Because at least from late 1944 onwards whole batallions of navy and air force soldiers, often still in training, were transferred to the SS to plug the huge gaps in their Regiments, which were bled dry multiple times by then.
Super!!!!
Phil what a fabulous presentation, a lot to digest.
Impressive work Dr. Blood!
Astounding presentation, expertly done
Thank you, for the comprehensive and extremely useful analysis. Extremely pertinent today as the less than best judgements of at least the past half century unfold. It should not be forgotten that without enemies willing to deal with this at great cost the monsters could have succeeded. As great as their errors and shortcomings someone had to pay the price to stop them. I hope I’m wrong but there seems to be lately a tendency to take for granted ultimate allied success. George Pickett after listening to a number of excuses for the failure of the charge said something like the Union army had something to do with it. Now more than ever we need to not overestimate ourselves nor underestimate our enemies. Thanks as always
Thoroughly engrossing presentation. An unexpected impact on my thinking is that Stalin's motivations/decision-making surrounding the Warsaw Uprising clearly need deeper examination through a new lens.
Amazing, we didn't get these kind of lectures at university. I think this kind of research is important to better understanding these years. First Rate!
Mind-blowing analysis. No words!!!!
Thank you for that truly phenomenal and insightful presentation!
You're very welcome! Philip is amazing
Wow, this was really, really interesting!!!
This was searing....amazing analysis.
Truly stunning presentation. Came up on my feed and although I found it difficult at the start the clarity at the end - the mission - death to all including their own!
Amazing!
Amazing history gained a lot by watching this ! Looking forward too more history of this terrible time in the 20th century !
Nice 👌
That was excellent.
Outstanding
Excellent analysis. In relation to slide 41, it is possible the 'body count' became 'the mission' for the Americans in Vietnam - for a while. Different notion to this lense on the SS, by the way, just that whenever 'body count' becomes 'the mission' things have gone awry.
Same thought that crossed my mind. The lack of a strategic goal/end game seems to be the problem with Vietnam.
38min - "We're gonna go down a few ...... avenues". O, you tease, Dr Blood.
Then we get to 1940.... bored? I'm loving it Dr Blood.
No, I'm not. Dr Blood sir, this content is so horrible it is hard to comprehend. How could these humans have been so inhumane? Thank you.
Hei, @WW2TV, top speaker, nice/nasty one.... again!
Solid listen
brilliant presentation; parallel to a PHd level class at an ivy league school.
Howdy folks. One of the best shows ever on WW2TV. Outstanding presentation by Phil Blood. Learned a lot of things but did not improve my lack of regard for the SS maniacs.
Bloody brill Paul ,and fab narration there from Dr Phil ,I mean there were all a bunch of fruit loops …bonkers .
Part of the explanation lies in the observation that some Germans, but definitely not all, believed that ancient Germanic tribes could perform miracles with their internal organs and that the intermingling of their blood with peoples that did not possess those abilities graduality caused them to lose whatever abilities they had. Consequently, as their logic would go, if they killed those with "inferior blood," little by little the Germanic peoples would regain their abilities to once again perform miracles. The whole concept is crazy.
This is great - very deep! It relates to a recent TIK video about the emphasis on Kampf - struggle - just for the sake of it. Waffen SS would be like Teutonic Knights [I suppose] in battle - Kampfen mean 'to fight' as well as 'to struggle' - against all comers to protect the 'faith'.
This guy is great.
I've watched this twice, and still can't get enough of it. This talk was fascinating beyond belief! I loved how he makes the case of the SS being intrinsically detrimental to the German war effort, and also puts the late war massacres at Oradour-sur-Glane and Malmedy into perspective. Dr. Blood's work should be a semester long course in itself.
I find it very interesting that civilian and military police always seem to go under the radar in military history.
A few examples: British police fighting German Army in Northern Rhodesia during the Great War; British police assisting military during Malaya Emergency; NKVD, local police and plant security fighting German 6th Army at Stalingrad; even LAPD Major Crimes Division fighting and arresting Al-Queda and ISIS subjects In City of LA and Southland, along with its Special Investigative Section fighting a private war with KGB.
Then there 's war crimes local and military police assisting Nazi's in rounding up, arresting and murdering Jews, political enemies or anyone else they thought was opposing them or just to commit theft and burglary and take thing they thought they needed.
A horrific track record of the Nazi's and their fellow travelers.
I've always wondered how things would have gone had the NAZIs prioritized military objectives,over their racial hate,& if Hitler had learned to trust his actual experts-like Stalin did to a degree. We all know how evil the Holocaust was...but just purely on practical basis,& military necessities-they wasted a lot of resources...ie diverting trains the military needed,to be used to move Jews around...& this show kinda highlights that.
I guess it's like how Hitler interfered in projects,thus delaying them,& even misusing them. I'm no expert,like you both..but I always wonder had Hitler not insisted that ME-262s be converted,so they had an ability to be bombers,since Hitler only valued offensive systems,how that could've impacted D-Day,& other battles. By my understanding,it delayed them being mass produced,for over a year. And seems obvious,they were a much better fit,as fighters,to overwhelm Allied bombers-or anything the Allies had flying. I shudder to think had D day forces been faced with swarms of Jets,that went 100 mph faster than our best planes. Obviously,their lack of resources,& being outnumbered on all sides so badly-would eventually kick in,but it could've been much uglier. Also,Hitler's insane insistence on never retreating-even an occasional strategic retreat. Or as your guest briefly touched on,the people in Ukraine,Latvia,etc...despised Stalin,with good reason. You didn't have to even treat them well...just better than Stalin...a very low bar.Had they treated those people better,most of them would've literally ran through a wall to defeat the USSR. So many more examples,that I sometimes ponder. Stalin was every bit as evil,in my opinion,as Hitler was. And his purging of the Red Army in the 30s, purely out of paranoia-kinda encouraged Germany to attack, thinking they were leaderless,& decimated,which was partially true.. And early in Barbarossa,he made decisions that led to Russian disasters,since he thought he was such a great tactician,& also insisted on never retreating. But unlike Hitler,who took more control as it went on,& made dumber,& dumber decisions...at least Stalin learned from some of his mistakes,& started trusting people like Zukov,who actually knew what they were doing. Throwing entire armies forward into lost causes,isn't actually a smart decision,he discovered. And sometimes, it's not merely a case of simply having a stronger will than the enemy. Hitler,& the Germans actually made life easier on the Allies. The Battle of the Bulge was tragic for many,but in the grand scheme,it made it much easier (relatively speaking)-to enter Germany. Had all those aircraft, armor,& troops wasted,been used to defend Germany...the Rhine or wherever...it would've been a much tougher/longer fight. Of course I'm glad they didn't learn these lessons,& countless more Jews,& everybody died-who might have survived,had the Germans better utilized their resources.
But then again,if the war lasts another year,or whatever-maybe even more get exterminated. And the longer it went,the Germans did have a lot of weapons systems close to ready,that were multiple decades ahead of our technology. They probably lose in the end still,but their technology was scary advanced over everybody,in certain areas. But thankfully with racist, extremist groups,run by malignant narcissists-common sense,or reality often don't enter their thought process. I think it's why early in the war,the Brits looked into assassinating Hitler. By the latter stages they dropped all plans. Why would you want to assassinate Hitler,when his decision making was so bad at the end? Beyond the fact he was drug addicted,& losing his mind,but his narcissm,& "always attack" mentality-actually made him the best tactician the ALLIES ever had. At least that's how I see it,as a complete layman,who never served in any military. But this was a fascinating show. I knew some of this,but not most of it.
Interesting - thank you. I hope you have subscribed and that you will consider becoming a member of Patron at some point
@@WW2TV Have certainly subscribed,& would definitely consider supporting you on Patreon,in the future.Right now I've been unemployed,& just start a new job tomorrow. But all the work,& research you clearly put in this...is awesome. Especially when you or your guests tour,& film places some of us will likely never see in person.Id love to visit Normandy,or Germany some day...but chances aren't likely, living here in Denver,CO, as lower class parent. But keep up the good work,& it's awesome how you respond to people.
Their technology was too little and too late v1s and v2s were not the best bang for a buck
One example of how skewed the publishing industry is is that there are more Waffen-SS divisional histories in English than there are of British Commonwealth divisions. Even obscure and ineffective Waffen-SS divisions can have two or three. The so-called "classic" divisions have more still. The term "classic" itself gives them a spurious dignity. The skewed availability of books also gives the impression that the Waffen-SS had more weight vis-s-vis the German Army than was the case. The Waffen-SS had no indispensable role in any of Germany's early war conquests.
There is also a spurious belief that the Waffen-SS were some sort of "special forces" equivalent to, say, the US Marines or Paras. In fact, in military terms, the Waffen-SS was essentially a clone of the conventional German Army and its original contribution to the military art was almost nil.
A very interesting video lecture on the SS. Regarding the negative combat value of indulging in looting and atrocities: even someone like Genghis Khan realized this. In fact, right before his campaign against the Tatars prior to him finally becoming the overlord of Mongolia, he even forbade looting during battle. Instead, he decreed that the war booties would be distributed AFTER the battle was over.
It appears that the SS fell under the classing trap of an organization having damn too many mission objectives. This was rather different from their Soviet counterparts, namely the NKVD, which did not muster combat units anywhere close to the SS, apart from border and maritime guards, even throughout the war. Many NKVD internal security units were transferred to the Red Army instead.
10/10. ⭐
1:10:00 there really needs to be an all out attack on the 'victim Austria' myth .
22:00 this sounds very cult like, which makes a lot of sense in the context
Very well done. Study of these psychopaths is necessary to help to (try to) understand this awful history. Afterwards you need a shower. Quite disturbing actually.
Wow just wow
At 1 hour you don't mention the atrocities of the Army, it was not just the SS. They laid waste too. See Beevor's book with the Russian journalist (forgotten the reference).
We have done a show on WW2TV on the myth of the clean Wehrmacht
@@WW2TV I know - I just wondered why there was no mention of the role of the army, das Heer. We need to emphasise the history of atrocities by the ordinary German soldiers, and of course the authorities such as in WWI the murder of thousands of Belgian civilians. There were obvious atrocities from even the early days in the Western front, never mid the ghastly events in the East.
There is a cultural basis for this - eg in 1900s in what is now Namibia - its continued history needs emphasising.
@@neilritson7445 Because this was about the SS. Philip could come back and cover the Heer one day
I go into this expecting to hear that with a few exceptions, they were horrible leaders and horrible tacticians/operators. Eicke and Dietrich are more typical than Haußer and Bittrich.
I think it was Zygmunt Bauman who defined post-modernism as simply the next step after the Nazis used all the tools and techniques of modernity; bureaucracy, accounting, statistics, organisational theory, technology, producitivity, etc., to mass produce murder. This presentation brilliantly captures that (as does the film Conspiracy, which has the same dynamic and tone as every executive meeting I've ever been in). Great stuff.
58:10 Klaus Thewelweit on psyche of masculinity in Friekorps remains the best investigation of this emergent property.
The myth is that the SS were a super human unit. This opens your eyes to how bad their leadership really was. Fascinating stuff.
I think its quite fair to say aside of the horrible things these units did were very well trained fire brigades that were shock troops ,I mean you have two opposite ends of the scale were the SS police div was rubbish particully at the start of the war ,then you have the 33rd waffen SS Dirlewanger who did hideous things to the extent were even the German army wanted them killed ..
Sorry once again good info poor speaker
Well, everyone has an opinion, and Philip Blood is a popular guest with many viewers
Gobbledygook
Not to 99% of viewers
What SS stand for? What these letters mean? Do you know? You manage to spend 10min without telling that.
I think that's commonly known, certainly be the average WW2TV viewer
@@WW2TVYou should say it that's what I mean - Schutzstaffel, death sentence in USSR and Poland in 1945.
Well, no word about man who create Wafen SS
And?
@@WW2TV And if you think that he was not important, than ok.
Not necessarily to understand the way the SS functioned at its peak. It literally started as a honour guard of a few dozen guys
Imagine if Himmler had Twitter probably would use it like Donald trump did.
u just owned him so dang hard