Bandenbekämpfung: Hitler's Anti-Bandit Order 1942/45
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- Bandenbekämpfung: Hitler's Anti-Bandit Order 1942/45
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Dr Philip Blood returns to talk about one of Hitler's most infamous initiatives of the war. In August 1942, Hitler directed all German state institutions to assist Heinrich Himmler, the chief of the SS and the German police, in eradicating armed resistance in the newly occupied territories of Eastern Europe and Russia. The directive for “combating banditry” (Bandenbekämpfung), became the third component of the Nazi regime’s three-part strategy for German national security, with genocide (Endlösung der Judenfrage, or “the Final Solution of the Jewish Question”) and slave labor (Erfassung, or “Registration of Persons to Hard Labor”) being the better-known others.
Philip is an independent historian, writer and lecturer working out of Aachen, German. He has worked as historical advisor to the Association of the US Army and also served as Chief Administrator and Senior Fellow with the American Academy in Berlin, under Henry Kissinger and Richard Holbrooke.
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Your Guest is really teaching me something that I didn't know about Delivanger and Skorzeny.
Absolutely wonderful presentation....but I wouldn't expect anything else from @WW2TV and Dr Phil Blood! Clearly and concisely explained, but you know there's so much more information that Dr Phil has had to wade through to craft this superb piece of work! Incredibly high standard of work! Thank you both!
He just mentioned the Tank Battle of Praga from 1 - 4 August 1944, masterminded by Model and carried out by the XXXIX Panzer and the IV SS Panzer Corps. Dealt with in detail in Volume 1 of "From the Realm of a Dying Sun" covered in a previous episode of WW2TV.
Yes indeed czcams.com/video/a78nyv-a8DY/video.html
Another fantastic presentation by Dr Blood. In depth research and very clearly presented. A master class. Dr Blood never disappoints and delivers a thought provoking presentation. Many thanks. Can't wait until his next visit
Clear, crisp, concise,enlightening. Dr. Blood dispelled in no uncertain terms the myth of the good soldiers being distinctly different from the evil ones in the Third Reich. He answered many questions that I had. The brilliance of simplicity borne of a mountain of knowledge. WOW!
The Telford Taylor segment made my blood boil. He also was the person who (absent any evidence) announced to the world Josef Mengele was dead, despite the fact Mengele was living quite comfortably in West Germany at the time
U have to understand, we have to stop communism man, that's why we need to protect a literal doctor evil.
I unironically heard this argument before
Well as to be expected a brilliant, well thought out and fascinating presentation by Dr.Phil. The dedication and passion for the subject is very clear as always, and the information garnered from countless hours of research is phenomenal. Thanks Dr.Phil and thanks #WW2 TV.
Dr Phil is a master. Fantastic presentation.
Just watching the rerun of Dr Philp Bloods presentation from yesterday evening. He never fails to put together a fascinating program. I found his presentation enthralling. Thank you Philip and Paul
Excellent presentation! Thank you for all the knowledge you share!!!
Amazing show, really fascinating information related to the real horrors of the WAR in the EAST. THANK you , wish for more of this history.
A brilliant show tonight thanks Phil and Paul for an outstanding and thought provoking discussion
THX Woody for the Ko-fi, Phil will appreciate! The video will be linked on the substack.
Dr. Blood...the oracle!!
Another great episode, just watched it since i was out of town during its broadcast. Another great guest I learned a lot from! I'm now kind of struggling to see if i should label a distant cousin of mine, that i really don't know anything about, if he's automatically a 'Bad' German. My grandmother was from Germany (born in 1900, came to the US in 1913) and when i was a kid i learned i had a distant cousin who was a Stuka pilot who was evidently wounded early in the war, actually almost blinded., and was out for the rest of the war. I guess he contacted my grandmother post war and that's how she found out about him. So, do i just automatically label him as a bad German without really knowing anything about him? Never thought about this question till i watched this show.
Brilliant again. Thanks Paul and thanks Dr Phillip as interesting as ever. Looking forward to next time your on.
I found water issue most interesting. This problem crops up in Russian and German operations. At Stalingrad both sides ran out of water. Poisoned wells the dry steppes, etc. Can't fight a war without ammo, food or water.
An episode on water topic would be an eye opener.
SH
Fantastic episode, as always with Dr Phil
Very interesting subject matter , would very much like to see a study regarding the British Army’s Field Security sections active services during the closing stages of the war , the pursuit of “war criminals “ black lists etc etc , great study look forward to more , thank you
Yep, that will come up in the future I'm sure
I was eight and we were on our way to Perpignan for a two week holiday. There were roadworks and we were diverted and got lost. We arrived at Oradour. We got out of the car and it was silent. We did not talk just wandered. An old man arrived and using my school French from age five, told him how we got here. I asked him what happened and he related the horrific tale. Afterwards we got back into our car and drove on. Nobody spoke and only about eating; which I found difficult, until late evening when we pulled over and slept in the car. I have been in France many a time but have never returned to Oradour. It is bad enough to see photographs.
Considering the subject matter, how many times was the word - beauty - used?
Hi Woody, it would be great to have a show on that map production: 25,000! It sounds really interesting. Also, I saw a televised interview of Hannah Arendt from the 1960s. Her husband was a military historian, and he struggled to believe stories about Holocaust transports because it did not seem possible for the German arm to be messing up its logistics and using its transports for it all.
Great show. I love listening to this guy!!!
Bravo for pointing out the similarities with Putin's campaigns in Ukraine. I saw this from the start, as I am certain many military history buffs did. The Russian FSB would prefer to portray these practices as something only Germany could do. Great presentation on a subject often ignored.
Had to watch this twice. Such amazing detail by Phil Blood. @WW2TV, his shows deserve a playlist of their own. So much myth busting in them, it would make a Wehraboo faint.
Howdy folks. Greatness from the great Dr Phil. No tosh here. Tremendous insight backed by facts. German counter insurgency in the most brutal method possible.
Time stamp 31:45 You're question about efficiency being noticed, was excellent Woody. Enjoyed the quote too! Thanks for all the fine work.
Awesome, thank you!
Excellent book by the same author. But you know this.
A comment that you made at about 1:35:00, perhaps the Kreigsmarine is the only "clean" arm.
Killing merchant seamen?
Slightly less dirty, but not exactly clean
I mean, Dr. Blood is a train guy, what’s not to like? 😂 Great show!
You hardly said a word, hardly any questions.
This chap was really rather good.
Ooooops!
Yep Phil is always captivating
Really interesting 👍👍🤗
Focusing on supposed enemy kill counts is something every army struggling in the field do, including the US in any counter insurgency war, especially Vietnam. Both the Ukrainians and the Russians keep boasting about exaggerated enemy casualties constantly, but only one of the two is considered blatant propaganda in the West
You see SS Special Field Police Commanders were some of the most Dangerous people of all time.
This is one reason why you can't underestimate any Police Organization.
Arguably, civil wars are the worst.
This was a military-civil war.
A civil war with military efficiency.
With a name like Phil Blood, no wonder he ended up studying the SS.
What a fantastic episode. Would love to see Dr. Blood do a program expounding on the little bit he introduced here on the Nuremberg Trials.
We will be doing a Q and A with Dr Blood at sometime - maybe around Christmas
Another masterclass by Dr. Philip Blood.
Appreciate the thoroughness despite the horrible accents...
Horrible accents?
Ourador, the only place that we took just one photie, just to prove that we had been there.
I actually took quite a lot of photos there
All Germans knew of the atrocities their forces had committed on all fronts,that’s why they kept fighting.Quote often attributed to German soldiers, but so true.Riveting discussion.
Dr. Phil Blood. One can start with a lot of superlatives. But for the WW2TV-family "dr. Phil Blood" says it all. Enjoy, watch and learn. What more is there to say about a show with dr Phil Blood. 👍👍👍
Sadly there are still a lot of people that really need to hear this demolition of the "good German" BS, sobering stuff.
Well, this was helluva a presentation by Dr Blood. Gripping, fascinating information that gives us a glimpse into post war/Cold War politics and if you are paying attention to what is going on in Ukraine you will seen some familiar parallels. Dr Bloods presentation is detailed and brutally honest, his research drives home the point that "the Good Wehrmacht" is BS and that Nazi ideology is a major factor in these operations. This is tough hard hitting show and worth ever minute of your time. Thanks again Paul and Dr Blood
So I'm not allowed to give my opinion the owner of this channel is name-calling because I pointed out something that was wrong.
You called my guest (and friend's) comments idiotic, so I called you an arsehole. Plus he wasn't wrong. YOU ARE! Supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine shows us you are an arsehole
I triggered the NPC he said something I don't agree with, he supports murdering people.
@@WW2TV apart from the fact that there were a lot of Ukrainian auxiliaries and police unit plus 2 Waffen SS divisions from Ukraine read Stroop’s report of the destruction of the Jewish Ghetto in Warsaw using Trawniki SS men who were Ukrainian, if you look at the Ukrainian militia units from 2008 onwards It seems nothings changed
@@toolsey2your point is obscure. Even if Ukrainian militias behave badly, how does that justify Russia’s invasion?
@@thesmallerhalf1968 the fact is the same style Ukraine battle groups had been attacking ethnic Russians and killing civilians since 2014 in the Donbas region since the western backed coup , there was plenty of stories in the west’s media about these Nazi groups which now appears to have gone down the memory hole , Zelinski is a tyrant to his own people if you bother to find out and has led his people into this with western money and has already purchased his bolt hole in Italy and his Yachts , you are being led down the garden path .
Our governments are now busy trying to start a global conflict and it’s up to such as you to go and fight for your beliefs , I will try to keep my grandchildren safe from war mongers like you
Fascinating account.
One matter not clearly explained is the racial dimensions of the Bandenbekämpfung. And it involved far more than Belarus and Eastern Poland. As part of Generalplan Ost, the Germans were planning the mass murder of the population of Eastern Europe. The Jewish Holocaust was actually a small-scale dry run. The SS established percentages for the Slavs and other ethnicities to be destroyed, varying from 50-100 percent. This was to clear the area for German colonization, something already underway in occupied Poland. All part of Lebensraum. Those not murdered outright were to be evaluated for possible Germanization (many of these people were blond with blue eyes) or life as a Helot slave population. And this included the Baltic nationalities. So as all this was occurring, there were plans being developed to murder even the people not opposing the Germans in the "Bandit zones", This would have begun after the Red Army had been destroyed. At the time Heydrich was killed, he was on the way to Berlin to discuss the fate of the Czech people who had been largely untouched (except being expelled from the Sudetenland) because they were useful to keep the important Czech arms industry functioning.
A subject not discussed was the impact of the partisans in cutting or destroying the supplies to the Ostheer. Does any data exist on the extent of supplies destroyed or disrupted? Attack data is useless because rail lines can be easily repaired unless a bridge or marshaling yard is destroyed. Do percentage figures exist? And can it be seen to have affected any campaigns or actual battles?
Thanks for the detailed response Dennis
Steam trains, you might not find them exciting.
Grandchildren do.
They is no understanding by them of black and white tv.
Trying to work that out.
The over arching thought process, I guess is no different to the Bitish army fighting the irish on their own turf in NI, whose the insurgents.
You are comparing the British army in Northen Ireland to the SS murder machine of ww2? Are you sure?
It all really looks like an aristocratic shooting party, with the beaters driving the prey into the nets for the hunters. And then instead of taxidermy heads on the schloss wall, they take a bunch of photos of the game. They probably finished up with a hearty lunch and toasts.
I wish you'd have spent more time talking about the Balkans. After all, Yugoslavia, Greece and Albania were the only countries that largely liberated themselves from fascist occupation - which is not to deny the massive help they got from the Allies. In Yugoslavia alone, around 1.3 mio people fought in Partisan units in the course of the war, and roughly 1 in 4 was killed.
Also, in Yugoslavia we see how the Germans are struggling to use their blanket term "Bandit" for everything, because very soon it doesn't make any sense anymore. Instead, the Wehrmacht at some point and time starts using Partisans, but again quite often as a blanket term, which can make for a very confusing read. At times you don't really know who they have encountered and engaged, and you can only deduce by secondary evidence: In general, when Wehrmacht or SS encounter Četniks, they either do not engage or Četniks surrender without a fight. When they meet Partisans, it ends in a bloody engagement. In some documents they clearly distinguish between these groups, in some they don't.
This isn't helped much by the very complicated relation the Germans have with the Četniks. At the one hand, they do regard them as enemies until 1944, on the other the Četniks are formally allied with the Italians until 1943, and regularly coordinate their activities against the Partisans with the Germans after they had broken up that very brief alliance with the Partisans around the so called Republic of Užice in the fall of 1941. (Under direct order of Draža Mihailović Četnik units attacked Partisan headquarters in that Serbian town in November 1941.) From 1941 on, the Četniks are begging the Germans to give them weapons to fight the Partisans, while also begging Winston Churchill to arm them because, as they claim, they are the true and only resistance to the Nazis in former Yugoslavia. Only occasionally do they attack German units, and spend a lot more time fighting the communists or slaughtering the populations of Muslim villages in Eastern Bosnia and other regions...
Starting in 1941, the Germans committed several massacres against civilians in former Yugoslavia, mainly in Serbia, killing around 80.000 people in "reprisals" following Partisan attacks. They abandoned the practice some time in 1943, as the backlash proved to be too great. I did a video one the first big massacre in the won of Kraguvejac in Central Serbia on my channel: czcams.com/video/pO7xZVOqvyY/video.html (in German), as well as a number of blog posts (also mainly in German) about antifascist resistance in Yugoslavia in WW II. As Holocaust Remembrance Day is approaching, one I wrote about the astonishing amount of Jewish resistance within the Partisans comes to mind. Truly amazing story: balkanstories.net/2017/01/27/helden-ihres-volkes/
I would love to talk more about Yugoslavia, the ongoing issue is finding experts. If you could talk about this subject or know anyone who can, please get in touch
@@WW2TV Sent you an e-mail.
You have been indoctrinated by Titoist Communist post war propoganda . Firstly, you show your ignorance by using the term Cetnik which is a very loose and broad colloquial term used to encompass anyone resisting occupation and predates WW2. General Mihailovic was the senior officer of the Royal Yugoslav Army in the Homeland and was decorated by President Truman after the war ( Legion of Merit) for services to the allied cause including the rescue and evacuation of 500 allied airmen ( Halyard mission) . Tito on the other hand was a communist mass murderer who was only interested in a communist revolution. His soldiers were Serb peasants from Bosnia and Croatia escaping the Croatian Nazi ( Ustase) genocide and to Tito they were useful cannon fodder to expend for his own needs . There is not one single example of a Partisan offensive against the occupier there were only 'glorious retreats' . If it wasn't for Red Army entering Yugoslavia, Titos communists would have gone exactly the same way as the Greek communists ie consigned to history.
@@simapark Ah well, another example of nationalist propaganda. Thanks a lot. And yes, I know how to use the term Četniks. And incidentally, I know how to read German documents, and there are plenty to prove my point, not to forget Heinrich Himmler's famous Posener speech. So please, don't bore us with the results of very recent, very biased and very nationalist historiography historians all over the world reject for good reason.
@blogbalkanstories4805
Nobody in Yugoslavia believes what they were told by the Communist regime from 1945 onwards . Its all discredited. Go on holiday to Croatia and you won't find any statues or monuments to Tito or the partisans . Its only western left wing ' historians' and a handful of Yugo nostalgics who still believe the Tito myth.
A bit one-sided the whole thing, criminalizing the whole Wehrmacht. My grandfather was a Fallschirmjäger during the Ardennes fighting and he was not a bloodthirsty monster
Man United, you are banned in my house
Brings to mind that waffen ss guy the canadians decided to take under thier wing
This seems just like the opposite of the werhboos
Which is surely not a bad place to be
@WW2TV I don't demonize either side just saying those guys were real people and had families. No everything is black and white alot historians get this it dies not seem like you guys do at all.
I'm sorry, but It is essential to demonize the SS, and the perpetrators of their ideology. I don't give a shit if they had families. The evils of the Third Reich always need calling out - it is completely black and white. If I get criticised for being harsh on the Nazis, well I can live with that.
and then there was the misery that the Ukranians visited upon the Galician/Vohlynian Poles
Apart from, yes he needs to do a train show.
Very thought provoking Paul ,you and Dr Phil Blood chatting about this ,however Id like to add something please that I think is worthy of a mention ,now I in no way would want to upset and or cause any anger and offence to anyone ,but we Brits came up with the concentration camps ,and have even heard that Oliver Cromwell was a dictator ,and with the current situation in Ukraine I have also heard that within the Ukraine military there is a fascist group who are reminiscent from the ww2 era based on the Ukrainian guards ,this group has fascist views and beliefs ,and is said to exist in present day Ukraine .
This fascist group apparently were shelling Russian civilians on the Ukraine Russian border ,Putin withdrew them to safety and I believe along with other various Russian backed forces including Belarus now want to eliminate this group ,this was all centre to something called the Minsk agreement.
My point being with what you and Phil were saying ,and with what I've heard kind of slots together in some way ??
I think like Dr P Blood has said history does repeat itself .
Well said about fighting disinformation
22:09 Nailed on the head. The SS can only operate by ideological murder. Military strategists - absolutely not. Even though the Wehrmacht requires them to be so for its own survival.
36:40 what a zinger by Phil Blood. A million Skorzeny fanboys cried out in horror at the thought of Dirlewanger having higher standards than Otto. Skorzeny was really fortunate to insert himself into the Gran Sasso rescue of Mussolini at the last minute which gave him glory at the expense of the Fallschirmjager who did the actual work. Even more revolting was the post war devloped thought of Skorzeny being considered the father of modern German Special Forces. Which is pure rubbish considering the Branderberg Regiment founded by Theodor Von Hippel in 1939 had been performing special ops regularly throughout the war, and long before Skorzeny became a noticeable turd in the vast SS sewer.
51:42 this is a recurring problem that all pre and post WW2 govts & their militaries encounter in counterinsurgency operations (COIN) - How do you prove to your people you're winning a war they're perceiving as you losing?? And that's why propaganda is important. We'll see "bodycount" infamously resurrect itself in South Vietnam with bloated figures and staged photos giving a false picture of the situation to Washington by the Saigon regime as example.
56:49 destroy one partisan, more take their place. Another recurring feature of COIN through the ages and a key indicator that it's ultimately an exercise in futility and the overseeing govt should be developng an exit strategy for the near future. As Afghanistan/Iraq showed to the Americans:
You can kill as many insurgents you wish but how do you kill an idea?
01:25:07 it's so infuriating to see the Allies bending over backwards, in full knowledge of the facts, to give a free pass to war criminals for the sake of political expediency (the Cold War). The Nuremberg Tribunal had to happen. The scale of atrocities committed by the Germans demanded it. It wasn't "Victor's Justice" as Nazi apologists would later claim. But Nuremberg can't be used as a template to prevent future wars and atrocities because its own proponents didn't apply justice fairly across the board or indeed had any intention to follow the spirit, let alone the Principles they promulgated in the trial to bring about prosecutions. This was a trial only for WW2 and let's not kid ourselves it was anymore than that. To be fair, by 1960 people had come to the conclusion strokes had been pulled, if the film Judgement at Nuremberg is anything to go by
My recommendation stop getting emotional is really annoying
Personally I love it when a guest is emotional, it demonstrates personal investment in the subject
@WW2TV they sound like a baby that cannot be trusted with a 3rd grader logic of justice this guy is so bad okay you told use that 20 times now
I don't understand that comment - apologies if English is not your native language
@WW2TV this idea of acting like they are very bad people we know this it does not need to be said multiple times and when people starting acting this way it get to point I wonder if they can be trusted. It on par with want a kid would say
Consider the number of videos on YT that hero worship the German aces and perpetuate the clean Wehrmacht myth. This is why it needs stating and restating how bad the Nazis were to counter that narrative
A brilliant and essential show on Dr Phil's topic yet I felt it undermined by his gratuitous digs at Putin facing once again Western sponsored and financed Nazis in Ukraine currently selling a nuclear power plant for the fun of it...L
After hearing Phil's talk about what the real Nazis did, I find it difficult to comprehend how you could refer to Ukraine as Western sponsored Nazis
I typically wouldn’t comment on it but since he insisted twice, the bit about the war propaganda regarding dead soldiers and Putins war is just utter projection i’m not sorry to say.
Projection by an expert who has worked for the MoD and NATO and has solid reasons for his assertions
@@WW2TV Be that as it may the experts said The West was winning until the occupation of Saigon, Kabul etc. This war will end in similar fashion.
If you want to support Phil, please do not buy the paper books of Hitler's Bandit Hunters. He doesn't get royalties. His shop, with a copy of the book is at ko-fi.com/philblood. You can read about the politics of the book at fallout.substack.com/p/the-politics-of-hitlers-bandit-hunters. Thank you Woody for the show.
His Birds of Prey book is all above board with the publisher, so paper copies are good.
I added the links to the description too
@@WW2TV You're a good man Woody!