🤯 Graeme Souness was BLOWN AWAY by this stat comparing Man Utd's Ronaldo to Man City's Haaland
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43 goals a seasons for the next 16 years???? Nahh fair play to CR7 man. Sheeesh🔥
ThTs unfathomable
Who thought in 2003 Ronaldo would score 700 club goals? He never looked like the player he went on to become back then so you never know. Sounds implausible for Haaland today but if he’s as dedicated as CR7 and injuries don’t get in the way, who knows in 2042 what goal tally he may have?
The math doesn't add up sorry...
@@christianmasuku6264 43×16 = 688. Add his goals from BVB and it's already more than 700
@@Ashley_MG Yea, he still has to score a lot but the numbers are exaggerated. Keep in mind Haaland already has over 100 goals
The best part of the Cristiano Ronaldo story is that he started as a midfielder went to the LW and then to the CF and still aced every one of those positions to be the best goal scorer the game has ever seen
yep from rm in early mu than rw or lw to cf at real madrid what a player he is
0.74 to 0.84. Not quite the best but very good
Of course
His longevity is incredible as is averaging 50 goals per season at Real Madrid, haaland has had a great start but 700 will be tough
@@wehatemancs4393 not a manc, I hope you get over your obsession of manc soon
Without taps in and penalties, penaldo is the glorified girioud
@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide go check the highlights from yesterday and tell me if that’s a tap in he scored lol you definitely have never been to a live football game just a wee sad nobody who watches highlights only
@@darrellbrown633 penaldo came on bcoz martial was injured 😹😹 otherwise Eric would never play the tap in merchant
@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide stay in your mum's basement.
700 club goals. Some don't even get to have 700 club appearances.
Mate I never played 700 minutes for my local district league team ffs
Some? Most football players don’t
😆😆😆
For Haaland to reach Ronaldo's goals tally, he'll have to be playing at a consistently winning club for a good 15+ years. Ronaldo, played for United and Madrid, when both clubs dominated their respective leagues, and won 5 UCL's during his time there...good luck!
Haaland has more than 100 already. If he keeps himself fit he can do it in 12-13 years.
when Ronaldo went to Madrid, Madrid weren't that dominant it was mostly run by Barcelona and they were more dominant but it did start to change once he got there and them getting Mourinho was also a start aswell
Why are you making excuses? Ronaldo was the main man pretty much everywhere he's been. Haaland completes an already formidable Man city team who can already score easily without a striker. This team has a much higher creativity rate than Man utd and Real Madrid with Ronaldo. Please stop.
@UCh3pvcCEwqAwiAL0fIVhZNQ 2002 and then in 2014 don't you think it's a long period of time?
@@Larry4life Will Haaland be playing for a dominant club in 10 years time? City, aren't going to be top dogs forever. Is he going to appear in 5 UCL finals? Doubtful!
Nice to hear cr7 getting the praise he deserves 🐐
@@wehatemancs4393 jog on you troll Liverpool fan I bet even your name shows your IQ
well overdue since he's been getting slated a lot lately, especially by our twat fans
He has been getting praised non stop for 15 years lol him and messi
@@John...44... lol ok
@@anthonystephenheath3752 he has literally been in a world wide debate for 10 or so years about who is the best, him or messi. Constantly being told he is in the top 2 ever. Winning ballon dors..... but yeh no praise at all
"And the Norwegian fella before" classic Simon Jordan 😂
Exactly, Ole was the real culprit for the dressing room debacle at Utd, not Rangnick.
Excellent Guys. Graeme is a Class Act. I say that as A Man Utd Fan And A Celtic Fan. Brilliant
Incredible getting to 700 goals @ something like 0.74 per game. Messi is 0.84 which makes it even more amazing. Two of the greatest EVER in the same era. We’re blessed.
its 700 club goals. he's on 817 career goals.
Ronaldo’s ratio would be even better if he started his career in la liga. His ratio in la liga days is actually better than Messi’s so imagine.
@@dantheunitedfan1585 well that is also cause CR7 joined in his prime, messi's ratio also includes his foundational years. During both their years in spain, messi scored more goals but ronaldo had a slightly better ratio (off the top of my head I think 1.01 vs 0.99)
@@rayaanyunus1071 fair point
@@rayaanyunus1071 well actually from 2009 to 2018(both around the same stage of their career and same league) ronaldo had a better ratio I think
"Yes he scores goals, but he doesn't press" Micah Richards
Neither does Rashford, Martial, Elanga or Sancho. The only player I have seen press is new boy Anthony. Micah
Pressing isn't everything teams played football without it and still won its just a German football way like Spanish have possession football and English have direct football
Sean Maguire that's awesome analysis coz that English trashford is a pedestrian who things he won everything
Messi and Ronaldo are the 2 best players in history, take your pick which one, I have my favourite but I wouldn't waste too much breath arguing one over the other.
What Haaland is doing is pretty much unprecedented though.
However, I cannot imagine him ever being a better 'player' than Messi or Ronaldo though based on the fact he's a pure goalscorer and for myself the very best players have more to their game than only goalscoring.
The debate is clear, Messi is far superior, all around better player and humble aswel. Not a narcissistic whino like Ronaldo
I’d pick Diego Maradonna
@@adam_p99 Well before the two I mentioned came onto the scene I certainly had Maradona as number one.
@@Lordouison people like you is why I dislike both Messi and Ronaldo fans and as neutral MESSI fans are far worse than Ronaldo
@@Lordouison and you are whining like all other pessiwives 😂
I saw the tail end of Maradona's career, and remember thinking I'd have loved to have been watching football in the 80s to have seen him at his best, and prior to that to have witnessed Pele. Then, along came Ronaldo and Messi.
Got to laugh at the Utd coverage, they lose just one game ago and it’s the end of the world, win the next one and it’s whether Ten Hag can replicate Ferguson 🤦🏻♂️
Replicate Ferguson? Now that is a scientific project worth pursuing.
The reason people always downplay messi and Ronaldo achievements is because they are still playing . Watch how they will be showering them with praise once they retire . In terms of longevity these guys are insane
Ronaldo was really a winger at United, until he got a freer role towards the end of his time there, where he really started scoring regularly? At Real, he got a free role, and ran riot for years....Better than a goal a game average over whatever it was 8/9 yrs, is incredible!!! All i would say is, Haaland is a HELL of a player, My God...As for records, we'll see???
Great to see George Best mentioned here. Rightfully deserved!
He should not be mentioned in this discussion, no way at that level.
@@user-om4fo3vg3u Judging by your immature handle I am assuming you never watched the genius play. Sunshine, this man should definitely be mentioned in the same breath as these two. Try googling him and watch him destroy defenders...Idiot
No it isn’t deserved 😂😂
For me Maradona and R9 are the best players I have ever seen with absolute raw natural ability. R9 is my favourite, shame he had so many injuries and fitness issues. Those few years where he was prime Ronaldo, he was unstoppable. I remember the world cups and all anyone was interested in was R9 he really was a phenomenon.
How can Souness’ maths be correct? 43 x 16 = 688 which implies Haaland has only scored 12 club goals whereas I think Haaland has scored about 140. What am I missing?
He's probably just sour that Pogba is gone.
Haaland is in course for that record
Ronaldo is a monster. Becoming a Ballon d'Or level winger then a Ballon d'Or level Striker is absolutely ridiculous.
respect to ronaldo because those numbers are mind-boggling and down to his sheer determination and character. What I will say though is that right now Haaland seems to be even more clinical than Ronaldo (or any other striker) ever has been (ie more goals per shots and touches) and thats a scary thing!
43*16=688. Haaland already has 175 senior Club level goals. Doesn’t add up.
This is exactly what I said.
They don't consider his Dortmund or Salzburg goals which shows exactly the agenda.
Even if it was only league goals, he has 15 already at City. How much does he have for his previous clubs?
For Bryne: 18 league goals, For Molde 16, for Salzburg: 17, for Dortmund: 62 = 113 league goals in 156 league matches...prior to Man City exploits.
He ain't never reaching 700 top flight club goals, no matter how you try and spin it.
Going by your argument, CR700 probably has over 800 club goals of you include his academy goals back in Portugal, seeing that you are also including Haaland's academy goals. Will Haaland stay fit for the next 10+ years, being consistent for the same period? I doubt it very much. Give credit where it's due. CR800 is the GOAT
Did I just hear Sourness both speak sense and say something positive about a United player? The end is nigh...
And he's only played as a striker for around 7/8years been a skillfull winger from 16 to 28/29
700 Career Club Goals for my GOAT 🐐❤️ VIVA RONALDOOOOOO! That's why you play Ronaldo! Never finished. Sit down haters!
Why do people say Ronaldo is the greatest player because he’s done is in different leagues?!
Maldini only played in 1 league and yet the general consensus is he’s the greatest defender ever
He has done it tho. Hail the 🐐
The consensus is greatest defender, which many would argue against, but no one calls him the 'greatest player' - literally no one. That's a completely diff category than greatest 'defender'. Different leagues matter, as families have to move, languages, style of play of the team, the kind of manager, everything changes and one has to still perform at the same level. Any great professional understands the level of change, unlike you keyboard warriors. learn to go past being a hater as you only show a lack of football knowledge, unlike the past greats like Souness
Fair play to Grreme. He's got his point of view on the all time players & the order they stand in
He's in a powerfull position to express that view over the airways & being as this is the Messi/ Cristiano generation. He won't get much push back, lauding them two as his greatest.
I watched most of the greats when they played. And there's hardly that much difference between Di Stéfano, Pelé, Eusébio, Best, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Maradona, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Messi.
Graeme uses the longevity card, to get Messi & Cristiano over the line.
I use the genius card factor. On that score; Pelé, Cruyff, Maradona, Messi, would be my picks, as the 4 greatest players, that blew me away the most, over my years, watching this sport.
The math of that from Souness seems a bit off, but it is closer to 40 I think. But it'd still be extremely difficult, and unlikely that Haaland can sustain the level for that long to be able to reach Ronaldo on the overall, not just club goals. If we're talking about matching his 700 goal for clubs over a 16 year period, then he'd have to score around 34 a season, and that's not factoring the fact that this season isn't over yet, and he'll get more to reduce that total.
Talking of ManU, has anyone noticed how well Luke Shaw has been playing since Harry Maguire's been dropped? Coincidence?
Has he?
@@shaneoconnor8597 yeah, I think he is defensively better
we all agree Maguire was shambolic and made the whole back 4 shaky but let's not shift the blame of Shaw's shortcomings on Maguire alone. Shaw was overweight, unmotivated and lazy when he had no real competition for his position, and also down tools when he doesn't believe in the manager's tactics anymore, that was the real reason imo.
That is the most mind-boggling football stat I have ever heard! 😲
The best there ever was and honestly probably the best there ever will be
And Messi has 691 in 122 less games...crazy!
@@davidowusu1184 Both phenomenal so to get 2 in the same generation is truly staggering
It's also wrong.
For Haaland to surpass CR7's current 817 goals and considering he currently has 176 goals scored already, he'll need to score 40.125 goals per year on average for those 16 years: if he "only" scores 40 per year, he'll be behind CR7 by 2 goals.
@@hojetiveca1826 If that's true that would still be a remarkable achievement but considering he won't get as much international matches with Norway I have my doubts, also with his huge frame I expect him to get more injuries when he hits his thirties unfortunately
@@philbarton2832 "he won't get as much international matches with Norway" ------- I wouldn't be so sure. He'll play all the group stage / qualifiers for all 3 Tournaments: Nations League, Euro and World Cup. While he won't play ALL, he'll most surely play A LOT, barring injuries ofc.
Regarding league goals, i made a mistake: these numbers i gave were for club AND country. For club alone, Haaland currently has 155 so he'll need 546 goals to reach 701.
This means he'll need to score on average 34.125 club goals per year EVERY YEAR in order to surpass CR7's current club goal tally. To illustrate the difficulty of this, even CR7 has "only" managed to score 34+ club goals in a season ELEVEN times.
Can't disagree although i personally can't compare Maradona to Messi or Ronaldo fairly because the tackling was more violent, referees were more lenient (against bad tackles), pitches varied in quality. I just can't find a fair way to compare them but I love Ronaldo more mostly because he compensated a slightly lesser natural talent with incredible hard work and self discipline.
he lasted so so less long then these two and thats kills it. Maradona never focused on lasting 10-15yrs at the very top, only these two did. With your logic, Ronaldinho can be rated above Maradona by sheer natural talent. Every professional in any profession would rate longevity over everything else as that is hardest bit, and these two are miles above the rest in history in that category. 'In their prime' is such a subjective arguement, over a long period of time, and truly long, only these two stand out
Messi is still better than Ronaldo. I don’t get this argument about different leagues. Ronaldo played for the best teams in each league, he played for one of the best ever man united teams, one of the best ever Real Madrid teams and a totally dominant juventus team. Messi can do things that Ronaldo could never ever do. It’s just that simple. Peak Messi is better than peak Ronaldo. That simple. Messi absolutely destroyed English teams in the champions league.
nope
Yep
This is how you show respect
Has anyone actually thought to do the math on this before grabbing a random "statistic" from Twitter? 43 goals x 16 seasons = 688 goals. Ronaldo has 700 goals. Haaland has, in fact, scored a little more than only 12 goals in his club career so far. In fact, he's only 545 goals behind Ronaldo, counting only senior/topflight club goals. 545 goals over 16 seasons is 34 goals per season, not 43.
People talk about the whippersnappers like Mbeppe and Haaland but it's about doing it week-in and week-out for 20 years.. and also sacrificing so much to stay injury free. Like for example I read Haaland likes Haribo sweets after games.. that will hurt him later on in his career
Ferguson used to play Ronaldo as a LM for 4 years also.
Haaland can easily score 50-60 league goals in one season if he plays in the La Liga and Serie A
I honestly don't think he could. Think the players behind haaland aren't getting the praise they deserve. Without them I think haaland wouldn't be scoring anywhere near as much
Haaland played in the bundesliga and barely got 25
@@philipt12345 I mean he missed soo many games due to injuries though and when he does play he have impacts on games
@@user-name3366 and that honestly is another problem he has. The two greatest players of all time bearly miss a month of football in a season
@@user-name3366 he will just get more injuries
Graeme Souness, so satisfied with himself for making that calculation….but he cant count. Haaland has scored almost 200 club goals allready, so I dont know how he counts… Ronaldo hasnt scored 700 goals in the league, its in all competition with his club. Ronaldo has scored 700 goals in 944 games for Sporting Lisbon, United, Real Madrid and Juventus. If Haaland should make the same number he needs to score 34 goals each season (in league and all competitions the next 15 years;. Why doesnt he count the goals Haaland has allready scored?
Ronaldo’s goals (700 goals in 945 games)
144 goals for Manchester United (103 in the league) 8 seasons
450 goals for Real Madrid (311 in the league) in 9 seasons
101 goals for Juventus (81 in the league) in 4 seasons
5 goals for Sporting Lisboa (3 in the league)
140 goals in Champ league and 1 goal in Europa league.
He has also scored around 117 goals for Portugal in 19 years.
…so, most of the goals he scored he played in big clubs and had great teammates to feed him.
Yes, Messi and Ronaldo have the stats, but, R9 is the best ability wise!
Messi and Cr7 have set the bar with their talent ,goals and ability,
But for me Pele and Maradona, are still a level above, their exploits on a world stage creating a legacy for all that came after them sets them apart.
Anyone notice in the description it says Erik Ten Haags side beat Lampards side 3-2. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It was an away game and the score was 1-2.
The amount of times Souness has had Ronaldo sitting in a room is ridiculous
😂🤣 I swear at this point he should just not leave the room
CR7s greatness comes from his professionalism .. constant ice baths .. diet.. exercise.. making him a machine..
But I prefer other players in the history of football in terms of footballing ability.
Madrid’s team worked so hard to create Cr7s goal scoring chances (eg Marcelo kicking off the penetration).. that’s what I saw with my eyes ..
Graeme Souness you are wrong! Up to now Haaland has 155 goals at club level. 700-155= 545 goals to catch up. Divided by 16 years = 34 goals a year in all club competitions!
That’s still no easy feat
I don’t think you understand the length of years 16? Mind blowing. 🤯
And he scored them from everywhere, both feet , head, overhead kicks, free kicks etc
Overhead *kick
The two GOATS are just unreal. 700 career goals is ludicrous. Messi not far behind 691 in 122 less games. The coming generations really have it all to do
@@jimmelton5846 That is definitely a false argument. Loyalty to a club does nor equate to "taking the easy way out". How many people have stayed at a club and gotten progressively worse? Besides he stayed in La Liga, a league which can compete with any other league on the planet. Besides, Messi always killed it in the champions league against the very best the world has to offer.
Not to mention how crucial he was for Argentina. That narrative is very forced and very false
@@jimmelton5846 new language 😹😹😹 kid, penaldo send United from the cl to Europa league.. he also made Juventus lose their first title in 7 years.. for stat padding, penaldo has destroyed teams. There is a reason no one wants the tap in merchant 😹😹
@@jimmelton5846 so Maldini, Ramos, Casillas, Zidane all played it safe ?? U have a low IQ, my son.
@@jimmelton5846 It's a horrible argument. He's scored against more teams than anyone in the UCL which is the best the world has to offer. He almost single handedly carried Argentina to the world cup final and to win the Copa America. Barcelona's players have changed for 20 years but Messi has been constant. Carrying the team at times when the team was broken. He could've left to city or anywhere but stayed and put on performance after performance and put the team on his back. And you dare say he didn't in another league.
If you're saying so why did Ronaldo join a team who had previously won the Seria A 10 times in a row? And when he joined they lost???
I'm not gonna bash Ronaldo cos he's an awesome player but dude...don't force these narratives
@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide don't be daft
Most goals in a calendar year in top flight English football is 45 goals in 36 games by Dixie Dean with 85 goals coming in all competitions. 60 league goals in one season by him too. These are the records Haaland isn't breaking. I mean maybe the calendar year for English league only but not all competitions. There's records like most goals in a game which is 7, consecutive games scored in which is 12 not Vardys 11. There's 9 hat tricks in one season to epls record of 5 and Haaland is already on 3 so he needs another 7 to break that. Fastest hat trick 2 minutes 56 seconds that's unbreakable. He will break records but there are so many records that he won't touch but I'd love to see him break the 7 goals in a game record or most hat tricks in a season and also consecutive games scored in too. Calendar year goals of 45 with epls record being 39, I think he will do that no problem. The 45 calendar year goals by Dixie Dean was 1928 but I have a feeling he may have done more the year before as he had 35 from August to December 1927 alone so I'm sure he got more than 10 the second half of 26/27 season but maybe he didn't who knows
I'm glad they mentioned Best but can we be real here. Brazilian Ronaldo has to be mentioned here. If not for injuries for those who watch the game he was just a God on the pitch. Ronaldinho as well for raw talent though the dedication was sorely missing.
maradonna, cruyff, pele, r9, messi, ronaldo, zidane, yashin and many more players are greater then best
His injuries were his own doing. 'In their prime' is such a subjective argument, anyone can win, but over a long period of time, and truly long, only these two stand out. Many would argue ronaldinho or zidane as better than being Brazilian Ronaldo and they wouldn't be completely wrong - these 2 are uncomparable
It was Everton 1-2 Man Utd and not 2-3 like the description is saying.
A City fan here but have always said what GS stated - Ronaldo has done it in 3 leagues. Messi hasnt
Hey souness would love to hear you comment about your Liverpool performance lately
Terrible and going to get worse 😂
this brings up an interesting point. Pep Guradiola is touted as only being good because he joins already established team so he isn't as good as he is seen. Ronaldo went from Manchester united (was) best team in the world to best team in Spain then Italy. so what makes you the best?
Looking at the description, Man Utd beat Everton 2-1, not 3-2, get it right 😅
Haaland can easily score 300 goals with city if he plays 3 more seasons. I would say Haaland is more number 9 than CR7. CR7 used be winger. I think Haaland will break many records if he doesn’t get injured
"Haaland can easily score 300 goals with city if he plays 3 more seasons." ------- Nope: Haaland MAY REACH 300 goals if he plays 3 more seasons FOR City. That's total club goals: not "merely" league goals.
"I think Haaland will break many records if he doesn’t get injured" ------ And this is the possible snag: Haaland SEEMS TO BE injury prone ... we'll have to wait and see ...
What had penaldo done in the leagues s ?? He hss won 5 league titles in last 15 years.... done it ???insane PR
The thing is Ronaldo played as winger for majority of his career while Haaland just gets the ball and puts it in the net
oh is that all he does,
how easy is that,
why didn't I think of that.
🤣
Haaland is a better team player, he lets the others in the team do what they are good at, then he does what he is good at and scores, exactly what City needed, he is part of a team, not the the whole team.
@@alantownsend9550 haaland is a goal poaches bro ,other man city players has fluid passing and movement ,that makes u think haaland is like that ,haaland good basic pass and move and very good positioning to score , and his physical strength is a big part in it
Haaland just turned 22 and he already has 145 goals scored in his club career. Ronaldo had scored 81 goals by the age of 23. If he stays fit and has a long career as ronaldo then I'm pretty sure he can do it.
Depends on his consistency over the 10+ years and also when cr7 retires... he's still playing dude 😅😅
So basically Haaland is an IF, not a certainty?
Of course it's an if.
the champions ligues new format did help romaldo and messi ,imagine platini ,muller ,eusebio playing the champion ligues every season whith out the dirct elimination ?
such a pathetic argument to defend Mara however great he is. His nos, over even league seasons COMPARING 10 YEARS is nowhere close to these two, like everyone else in history
He’ll have to stay fit for the next 15 years and keep scoring to get anywhere close
Halaand not reaching Ronaldo numbers
I'm a united boy and love Ronnie, I think Harlaand might be the only guy who will come close. He just needs to play in Spain for 10 years. 60 goals a season lol
@@2HatHudders haaland has had some bad injuries, them injuries will creep up later on in his career. Due to his size etc he not achieving them numbers of ronaldo. No chance.
@@jjOHNji injuries obviously play a part in it, Ronnie and Messi have been quite fortunate regarding that
@Chris Pritchard he ain't staying in the epl that long to achieve that. He will go spain in his mid/late 20's
@@jjOHNji agree with that too, he's got at least 1 big move (probably 2) in his career at this point and 1 will be Spain.
I agree with Simon on this point.
I wonder if all these players who scored all this goals would of scored so many now we have VAR?
Kane must secretly be devasted he was denied the opportunity to score freely in this Man City team
Yeah I don't know why Kane put himself in that situation with Spurs after World cup when he was 25yers old. And I heard that he wanna extend his contract again with Spurs
City didn't want to pay the asking price
@§töner relax early days kid
He wouldn't be taking penalties so wouldn't get to 20 goals a season
@§töner you need to relax, stop stalking. Way past your bed time. Worry about urself replying to me says it all about you, too much time on your hands kid.
haaland will have it tough as Ronaldo has been mostly injury free his entire career plus Ronaldo evolved his game. how will haaland fair when he no longer has that burst of pace running past people that will be the interesting question. plus haaland may get badly injured at some point. look at other great players the original Ronaldo for example was a beast but injuries hurt his career after even though he was still amazing after the injuries.
It’s refreshing listening to Souness argument for Ronaldo and Messi.
It was only last week that city fans say it was like Disney when ronaldo went back to United, those stats are no fairytale.
But Graeme should know that back then in there generation there were so many world class players compared to our generation .that’s why Messi and Ronald have stayed on top for so long.
Mardid wasn’t dominating there league ?
He won 3 from 9 League’s available
Barca was dominant
What is Graeme Souness talking about_ Haaland has already scored 170 + goals. Right ?
Not club goals, but career goals. If we talk of career goals Ronaldo has 817+ and counting.
@@harungachanja3314 Then Ronaldo would still be behind.
700 and still counting. Never ever count out CR7.
Will forever be the greatest ever in my opinion.
Who else goes around scoring tons of goals?
Messi?
Messi with 109 games less 😹
@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide League games? Because he has 140+ less games played than ROnaldo, better goal to game ratio by a long shot, far more assists, more trophies, more goals and assists in the finals he has played. Won a CL against Ronaldo, killed Ronaldo and Madrid in the semi final of the CL in 2011. Messi's peak was so much higher, most prolific goalscorer ever.
If we look at the raw numbers Ronaldo is ahead, without penalties Messi has already scored more goals than him in 140+ less games. There is no argument, they make an argument because they see Ronaldo every week and these people don't watch a single game of the Ligue1, so out of sight is out of their minds, that's why Souness talks about Ronaldo.
Ronaldo is one of the best goalscorers but as a footballer, Messi is just CLEAR, there is no debate, if you really go to the stadium to watch Ronaldo play the game you actually don't see anything but waiting in the box, sometimes dropping deep, but a lot of movement without the ball. Football is played with the ball and with the ball Messi is the GOAT. no argument, anyone with good arguments can drop them here so we can discuss this.
Stats wrong. Haaland has scored 155 club goals already. Will need to score 34 for 16 seasons to achieve that. Still some way to go
Sourness your maths is terrible. Haaland already has 175 goals. He needs 525 more. 525/16 is 33 goals per season.
Happy Souness made sense at least once!
There's a video on YT that shows the history of top scorers in the UCL in a bar graph. When Messi shows up, he quickly takes over the top spot and farr surpasses everyone. And then Cristiano appears and out-Messis Messi. GOAT 🇵🇹
Name of the video, please.
Even if we are not talking about longevity, Ronaldo and Messi are better than all the rest that has ever been.
How come Marco Boogers doesn't get a mention in all this??
Haaland just needs 30 min game time and 3-4 touches against Elche, Cadiz, Almeria, Eibar, Estonia, Luxembourg, Latvia etc. Will easily score 500+ goals in the next 10 years for club and country😆
U sound like a clown easily hahaha book mark if he ain’t matching it
Southampton, Bournemouth, Fulham, these are the eibars of the premier league
@@johnnkurunziza5012 you sound like an unemployed adult still struggling to clear high school
@@sagarranjan4585 well l am
I know I'm late, but all Haaland needs to do is keep at this level and move around to the dominant team in the other leagues and there you have it.
People love to rinse Ronaldo on socials. Mostly kids who don’t understand ball, but the respect for his achievements is worldwide, regardless of club allegiances. And this is a kid who grew up with Tachycardia which almost ended his career early on!
I don't believe Haaland can get into this category of greatest players ever. I do however think that with luck in avoiding injuries, he could break goalscoring records.
For longevity Mbappé and Haaland have an advantage over Messi and Ronaldo. The sports science has progressed in the last 20years and it will continue to progress.
With regards to the all time scoring record. Haaland and Mbappé have both made a much quicker start to their careers than Messi and Ronaldo did. Mbappé is about +80 on Ronaldo at the the same age, Haaland similar. This fast start means the two new guys don't have to score 50, 60 goals a season to reach the milestone. Haaland is only 22, not 23 until next summer. At the same age Ronaldo had only scored 75 career goals. Haaland is on 177. Scoring 45 goals a season for the next 16 years sounds ridiculous but atm it's not unrealistic for him to score 50-60 a season for the next 10years. Then slow down a bit as he progresses through his 30s. But another thing is that Haaland is a thoroughbred centre-forward. Ronaldo is finding it more difficult at this stage of his career because he's was a career winger, specialising in timing late runs, not leading the line. Ibrahimović can rely more on his height which is another advantage Haaland has for his twilight playing years. Benzema had a great season last year because clever movement more than relying on pace which has been a feature of Ronaldo.
There's a long way to go but atm what's to stop Haaland and/or Mbappé from breaking the scoring record??
Fake stats. Haaland already has 175 goal at 22. To reach 700 he needs about 33 goals PS for 16 years.
Haaland is doing fantastic in the 10-11 games he’s been at city but Comparing to Ronaldo after only that many games is pathetic. Millennial fuckery once again. Ronaldo was so much better to watch. Scored better goals, his dribbling was amazing. His heading, free kicks… all around better player. 700 club goals & 117 international goals is astonishing. Haaland will need 43-46 a season for 16 seasons to catch that.
maths dont add up graeme as 43 x 16 is 688 and haaland allready scored 155 club goals. he needs 34 a season for 16 year to match it
Maradona got kicked to death in an era when waiste high tackles didn't even get a yellow - today, you'd be banned for 6 games. Carried injuries through games, these 2 have longevity as you can't touch the pricks!
Continuation of the other comment
3) and this is where Souness is wrong
Ronaldo has done it in England, Spain and Italy while Messi has huffed and puffed in France. Is that right?
Messi currently for PSG 47 games - 19 goals and 22 assists -> 41 goal contributions in those games, bad right
1st career move after leaving in Spain since he was 13
Move that he did not intend, but had to because he could not be registered, so was not in the best frame of mind
Another thing people forget, missed pre-season with PSG (No time to work full time strategies with them)
But let's just say the above are excuses as I'm sure some are liable to say, what has he done in comparison to Ronaldo
Fastest player in recorded Ligue 1 history to 21 assists (33 games)
The most assist in top European leagues for a single season is held by Messi and my boy Muller (21), this means Messi may very well be in play for the fastest player to 21 assists in any European league for his PSG time, it's difficult to check this unless Opta releases the stats
Most chances created in all of Europe in 2022
How does he compare to Ronaldo who DID IT in Italy.
Ronaldo first 47 games for Juventus - 29 goals and 10 assists -> 39 goal contributions, but you know he did it and Messi huffed and puffed
From statistical websites like Sofascore and WhoScored, in those 47 games,
Messi has had 15 Man of the Match performances,
Ronaldo had 12
This is despite Messi playing a supporting role to and sharing attacking returns with Neymar and Mbappe.
Both are fighting for pens (Messi only took 3, scored 2),
Messi shares freekick duties with Neymar
Ronaldo was the primary attacking focus for Juventus and rightly so, took all pens and freekicks.
Summary
Despite Messi's problems with the move with PSG, in the first 47 games he's played compared to Ronaldo's first 47
He's had more goal contributions despite sharing his attacking returns with 2 other superstars
He's had more man of the match performances
More UCL goals in those 47 games
AND YET......he's huffed and puffed in France while Ronaldo has done it in Italy.
While Souness is being wowed and impressed with Ronaldo's record, and rightly so, it's phenomenal, before he lets it influence his decision in the Ronaldo v Messi debate, does he know that Messi's is even better? The stat for Haaland reaching XY goals is even more difficult to catch up to Messi's ratio.
Ronaldo 700 club goals in 943 games
Messi 691 club goals in 825 games.
Messi will, WITHOUT A DOUBT, achieve 700 goals with more than 100 games left to spare. Unless someone breaks his leg. Whether Messi surpasses Ronaldo or not depends entirely on Messi, because he is younger than Ronaldo and is currently still a more attractive prospect than Ronaldo because he offers more at the moment. But Messi is not as driven as Ronaldo, so it wouldn't surprise me if he decided to retire at the end of the season. But if he decides "I want to finish with more goals than Ronaldo", then there is little Ronaldo can do unfortunately since Messi is
Haaland already has 120 club goals. To get to 700 he needs 36 club goals until he's 38. It can be done but it will be tough
Yeah don't think he factored in the goals haaland already has.
@@tonesweir He didn't, which was strange.
He will be finished by 33 34 he's got a to bigger frame to carry around
@@andyhulme2274 we will see in 13 years
Haaland has 175 club goals so he has even a better "starting point". Of course he needs to keep fit and performing, but even if he doesn't get better and end up averaging the same as he has for the last 3 season, he'll reach 700 goals when he's about 35.
Think they have forgot about Pele's 1000 goals!
So this is where he made that thoughtless statement. (Text Bomb explanation incoming. Abandon all hope (for a short answer) ye who read beyond here.
Souness's reasoning for "changing his mind". Ronaldo has done it in 3 different top leagues, while Messi has only done it in Spain.
This makes no sense because;
1) It shouldn't really matter the number of leagues, just the quality of play
2) Messi has done it in more higher quality matches if rankings are to be believed
Ronaldo played 31 games for Sporting CP in 02/03 when it was ranked 7th in the World
Ronaldo played 291 games for United during his 1st stint, and from 03/04 till around 06/07, the EPL always alternated between 2nd and 3rd rated league in Europe, it wasn't until Ronaldo's final 2 seasons that it became rated 1st
Ronaldo played 438 games for Madrid while the La Liga was rated 1st for the majority of the 9 years he spent here.
But here is the thing, he then went to Italy in 18/19, that was rated 4th for the majority of his stay in Italy, but people would like to praise his achievement here but disparage Messi's in France. Italy was pretty much the same league. While Ronaldo was there, Inter was in recovery after not making the UCL for 6 YEARS!!! They were a Europa team. After Juve, their best team was Napoli, who struggled to get out of group stages. AC milan wasn't even a contender for Europe anymore, while Atalanta had one good run, and Roma made the Semis once, not even as good as France with Lyon and Monaco reaching the semi-finals. Juventus had won the league 8 straight seasons when he joined
The point -> Ronaldo's move to Serie A == Messi's move to Ligue 1
Ronaldo played 134 games at Juve and 101 of his 700 goals came from here.
Messi on the other hand spent a bulk of his career in a la-liga that was rated 1st for about 11 of his 16 years playing there, and never below second. Now he spends 2 seasons on a league rated 5th and people are freaking out, when on an average he has played in a higher percentage of higher level matches than Ronaldo.
Everyone seems to forget the brilliance of sir Francis Jeffers! 🐐
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Nah not in the uk. He won't stick around long enough, will want to conquer Spain and Italy too
Didn’t united win 2-1? The description says 3-2?
Don't forget. Messi is only 9 goals behind Ronaldo. Ronaldo will inevitably retire before Messi. Haaland's gonna be getting pushed to his gears to reach an even higher goal tally scored by Messi in the future.
Haaland will eventually be sussed out by Premier League teams and be nowhere near as prolific as he has been so far this season and in the German League...whereas no one (apart from Ashley Cole) or any team has ever been able to suss out and stop Ronaldo.
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CR700 and Messi our midfielders mainly... Haaland is an out and out striker... why our they being compared?
He can sit in a room with anyone doesn’t mean he should be starting for United if he’s not playing well.
43 goals a season for 16 seasons = 688 goals are we assuming Haaland has only got 12 league goals in his Career? Fake stat Souness
First time I ever agreed with sourness but today 👏🏽
Messi's huffing and puffing in the French league is simple why. Watch the games mate. Watch where Messi plays on the pitch. He's around the CM role ever single game
I still can't understand how the likes of PSG and other clubs haven't absolutely pulled out all the stops to get Messi and Ronaldo in the same team. The viewership for one, but also to be able to say that it was YOUR club who got them playing together, sounds exactly up the street of a rich Saudi.
Diego Maradona is god in Argentina than Leo Messi. Man carried his country win a World Cup and Napoli league title & Uefa Cup.
Will depend if Halaand stays fit for seeable future. . . Ronaldo was always injury free for most part of his career