Real-World Bike Fit Session for Maximum Comfort and Performance
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Expert Bike fitter Neill Stanbury recently gave one of our RCA athletes, Glenda, a bike fit. Glenda has had a few problems occurring with saddle discomfort and asymmetry. Watch along to see Neill work his magic!
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Neil literally seems like he was magically created to be the perfect bike fitter. His analyses skills are just amazing and his understanding of human anatomy is spot on. Clone this man and send him to all the countries of the world.
Truth!
Facts 😂
Years and years of experience. You learn best from your mistakes and fixing those of others.
love seeing bikefits like this
hate knowing no bikefitter in the area could do the same
Great video! Bike fit matters and guys like Neil/Steve Hogg are masters of this important craft.
I know Steve Hogg from Pedal Pushers at Clovelly in Sydney , Australia . I met him in the 1990's . This was when he was still early learning .
This guy is ridiculously knowledgeable and talented! I watch these videos all the way through and get inspired to try adjusting my saddle again only to seemingly make it worse every time! 😂
I wish there were a reliable way to find a "Neil" closer to home. I've had three bike fits and none of them came close to providing this level of detailed analysis. Neil, you need to start a bike fitting school and send your proteges out into the world!
Where do you live? Because Neil is a student of Steve Hogg and there are like only 10 Steve Hogg approved bike fitters in the whole world. For sure they share the same principle and ideas in bike fitting. I also got fitted by a Steve Hogg approved bike fitters and the difference with other bike fitters are insane
@@lupitlupitan I'm in San Diego, CA, USA. Am I close to a real fitter?
@@darrellstyner0001 also keep this in mind, don't expect that you will just get your bike fitted, there are also other thing that they will do to you and will help you improve in and out of the bike. It will be somewhat painful but it will be worth it. The things that you see in video are just the quarter of the fitting session.
I don't know why my reply did not include the fitters around you that are steve hogg approved. Colby Pearce is one and Jerry Girlich. Just search them on Google. One is in Denver Colorado and Jerry is in Austin Texas@@darrellstyner0001
@darrellstyner0001
If you want a Steve Hogg approved bike fitter. Colby Pearce in Boulder, Colorado.
The analysis of the root cause of asymmetry was really cool!
Exactly. When we look at ourselves, we maybe see some differences in feet dimensions or knee heights, but never so slight ones. RCA guru is really sharp-eyed.
Podiatrists have similar education to Neil .
Quite simply, Neil is the most knowledgeable and best bike fitter I've seen. More importantly, he communicates it all he does in a manner that I understand! Brilliant matey! Simon, England.
I live in the US, and one will never see this level of knowledge, professionalism, and customization provided here, despite the hefty bike fit price tag (250-500 bucks) for a two hours fitting process. To each his own. Respects, sir!
Its always amazing how literally 1-3mm on saddle height makes a world of difference. I know straight away if mine is out ever so slightly.
Agreed. Before I got a legit bike fit, I was all over the place. Now, after the right height, I can tell right away when it isn't right.
Basically Neill, has sorted me out with all my hyper-flexibility and instability with pushing my cleats 35mm back! My cleats are staggered and I had a range of other issues going on. He is amazing, patient and responds to all my emails (poor guy, lol). Best money I have ever spent and I do not mind at all driving from Brisbane to the Sunshine Coast to be fitted. The nicest guy you will ever meet. If you are in Australia, go and see him. I also learn something every time I watch these videos.
I am making plans soon to travel up from Melbourne to see him
Do you mind sharing how you got in touch with Neil? I’m in bris and would deffs drive up to get a fit done by him
of course we love these videos...amazing knowledge shared with care
Dropped my bars ages ago via a Neil video. No more numb hands. Many fitters champion upright, "endurance" geometry but it's not always such a good idea. I'm 100kg and tall and old. I have two anular tears in L4 and L5 discs. The more upright I am the more compression. For me a slightly too long racey position is much better. Luckily I'm flexible enough. Every video here I've copied and got to 99% perfect. The last bit will have to wait until a trip to Aus :)
Always waiting for another bike fit video from Neil. Love this channel.
I learn something every time
@@wrwicky Same here. But it's not just a thing or two but a wealth of valuable information everytime.
Man I wish Neill was in the US. Astounding work and I have learned so much. I feel like I have been spoiled by watching this kind of expertise over time on the channel. Wouldn't know where to begin to find such a service nearby. Thanks to Neill and RCA for sharing!
There's a number of practitioners in the US just like Neil. Depending on where you are there's probably someone closer than you think.
Absolutely brilliant video, as usual!
Great video, 👍
Great guide. Thank you.
Great knowledge base.
Good, Nice work.
Your content is amazing ❤
Excellent
I will watch these videos anytime you put them out. Please continue!
Finally another one of these bikefits! These are the best videos.
could watch your bike fit videos all day long.... Thanks!
As always, best bike fitting content on CZcams. 👍👍
Always a breeze to watch these videos. Always! You learn something every time!! More of this please.
Absolutely love these videos. Everytime Neil releases one I make sure to watch!
This then watching Tour Down Under. Getting my fill of Aussie cycling content today.
I could watch this content all day. Love watching Neil work!
It's amazing watching the bike fit wizard work.
With all caveats about saddles being individual preference. I m on SQ Labs because of Neil and these videos. Cheers.
For anyone interested in the 2620 insoles, it’s worth noting that g8 recommends moving the arch piece as far forward as possible.
I did mine for some time, and I don’t think that’s correct. Maybe that’s fine for some applications, but I think Neill makes a great point here that it’s definitely a variable that needs to be addressed when fitting these insoles for cycling. The placement of the arch piece is definitely dependent on the arch of the foot, relative to the insole size, and even the placement of the inherent arch support in the shoe (if applicable)
I just ordered some 2620's, coming from Spec BG's Green. I have a really high arch, and today I looked at my foot against the insole outside of the shoe, and there was still a gap between the insole and the insole at the arch. I'll see if I notice a difference. Did you ever use the BG's?
@@rayF4rio i also have a set of BG’s that were custom molded for me as part of a retul fitting. They’re nice, but for my pronation, i also need cleat shims fitted. i was struggling with them for some time because they didn’t fill a pair of giro empire vr90’s like i wanted, so I ended up with the 2620’s thanks to “bike fit youtube” haha. Now i’m on my second pair of 26 i’ve them setup more or less correct to my needs, and I used my BG’s as a starting point for fit of the arch piece, heel wedging, and forefoot wedging - all to mimic a cleat wedge without actually needing one.
All that to say, they come with a whole bundle of arch pieces, with a level 5 being the highest (and it’s wickedly tall, imo). It’ll take some experimentation like I mentioned, but you’ll probably get along great with them. What shoe are you fitting them in?
@@aubreyxengland Spec SW-7 and/or the Ares, I run both shoes and have the BG's in both. If I like the G8's, I'll get a second set.
@@rayF4rio right on. I find that g8’s do take up some space in the shoe, so lower volume shoes might not work so great - like a bont or something. I’m not so familiar with specialized shoes, but they look sick. Best of luck though with yours!!
Absolutely. They rest against the side of the shoe for part of the support that they provide, and so I need them to be set up differently when I move them between shoes. I just ordered a second pair so that I can leave pairs in shoes and stop switching them around, in fact.
Mr. Stanbury, I owe you my reborn cycling power after covid. Thank you!!!!
My favorite videos about cycling
Love it. Reminded me of my own bike fit and how great the improvements were.
Just another really well done bike fitting episode with Neil. Always some interesting stuff. Sone inspiration from a very talented person. Keep up the good work!
How can you not appreciate Neal’s knowledge and professionalism! Awesome video
Thank you for letting everyone watch your fit, Glenda!!
Neil, I love these fitting videos. It's like therapy.
Brilliant assessment Neil.. great vid guys very interesting as always top quality content 😊 👍🚴🏻Pete
Brilliant video. Neil's knowledge and practical resolutions to a cyclists fit on a bike is extraordinary. 👏👏👏
A Top class professional at work Neil your bike fitting is off the scale your understanding of our anatomy is amazing you show us in this video how important a good bike fit is love the video thank you.
Wow I'm tempted to fly to Australia to get a bike fit!
Yes, I’m looking forward to this! 0:05
The SQ lab saddle is great and the longer you ride it the better it feels ❤
The goat of cycling
How he assess, analyze, explain and solve the problem blows me away. it's easy to understand with the little idea about the topic. You're a true professional and expert on your field Neil.
Excellent video and five star bike fitter. Also very handy on the bike too. Haven't seen you on the Coffee Grind ride for a while though ;-)
Neill is the bike whisperer and you can't convince me otherwise.
Neill, I like watching these videos because of the methodical discovery of imbalances and ways of dealing with them. Personally I'm wonky AF (cycling and running ) and struggle to find a good position that eliminates hand discomfort, so hope over time and repetition, that something helps.
Questions, if you lowered the handlebars by 20mm, would you not shorten the stem? 2nd, would it no be advisable to tell the client to work on her right foot mobility, in order to regain her arch, and improve her gait, which will translate to stability on the bike?
Was her left knee whipping left/right at the top of the pedal stroke at the beginning of the video? It looked a lot better by the end after fixing the fit with her right leg.
Been putting up with issues on the bike for 19yrs, had a fitting and helped alot but just need that expert look due so decided to go see Neill. Some think I am crazy, it will cost some coin and a decent trip from arse end of Victoria but more than prepared to get this sorted. Even a 30% improvement will be a blessing
Hi Neill. I love your videos. I have been suffering with this same issue for years and have just accepted that my body is not symmetrical and have just been putting up with it. Although my problem is my body is twisted towards the front on the left side when riding (opposite to Glenda's), so my left leg is the problem. I am fairly flat footed and would like to try the arch support theory out. Did you fit the supports in both shoes or just the foot with the problematic leg? Thank you for this informative video. Keep up the great work. 👍👌
Ive had asymmetry with left leg catching seat stay on inside thigh and left knee catching top tube. I bought a new frame and my thigh caught the brake cable which was extremely annoying. I mentioned this to shop who immediately suggested foot support. I bought specialized footbrds, the highest , and this immediately straightened my knee out and reduced catching on thigh. I think i will take this further now if only i can find a decent bike fitter!
minute 18:00 far better symmetry of the legs throughout the pedal strokes than at the beginning
Neill. I know you’re a big fan of G8 footbeds, but I see you have many pairs of Sidas insoles on the wall at your studio. Would you be able to do a video to help people understand how to ascertain what type of footbed they should go for, and where, if ever, rigid custom orthotics have a role?
Recently, I’ve seen several bike fitters suggesting that rigid footbeds are not ideal, and can weaken the foot, so it’d be really good to get your thoughts on the subject of footbeds please.
Many thanks in advance, and please keep up with the bike fit related content - it’s top notch.
I second this.
To me a very convincing video, as I struggled in the past with exactly this problem; my left foot remained flatter after an accident in a basketball game, and distorted my pedaling. It took years to figure that out back then (50 years ago)' I hope people may have quicker solutions now.
wish Neil open a branch in Jakarta and often visit to do fitting. will join right away. many fitters I tried to talk for selection, majority doesn't really know about human body. only talk about fitting tool etc.
Interesting video….thank you for sharing.In general when you have a cyclist in for a fitting would you encourage them to set up their handlebars slightly more aggressively and train them to ride in a more aero position or would you tend to keep a rider with a more “relaxed” front end in the same position ?
I would have loved to see also what the powermeter revealed after the bike fit
Another great video ! Shame I live in the uk 🇬🇧 so Neil why do I get pain on the inside muscle above my left knee? It still burns after a ride , long shot question I know ! 😅
So joyful to watch. I wonder how many lose screws are there within me.
Nice session! I will say that it appears that by the end her left knee is now no longer in plane and moving outward at the top of her pedal stroke. Do you find that sometimes when you fix one thing another pops up?
Neill, Excellent video! Do you find the newest Fizik's to have that varus fix built-in like the S-Works shoes? I have an older pair of Fizik's and looking at the wear on the cleats, the Look cleats are angled outward as though they were wedged with the 5th Met side being lower. I've experienced some foot and knee issues that have been somewhat addressed mostly around staggered Q factor like you did for Glenda. Should I explore shoes without this bias on the sole and if so, which would you recommend?
Please take me on as an apprentice 😊😊
Great video, but what size saddle did Glenda end up with based on her ~145mm sit bone width? Did the choice correlate with the SQlabs' own recommendations according to the body angle? I'm quite interested in the SQlabs saddles and would love to hear from Neill if the 'active' tech is actually a benefit for those of us with back issues as claimed in the marketing?
Tried a bikefit at my LBS, and all the guy did was wait for me to tell him what I felt needed adjusting. Only reason it wasn't a complete waste of money is they're great mechanics who give tons of free advice and a nipple or two. Shame the only Steve Hogg approved fitter near me retired!
Imagine if Neil the bike fit whisperer did a world tour........he'd be away for years.
I have this exact same issue, tried to fix the issue from his videos but still no luck. Really wish I lived in AUS to see Neil 😞
What would you recommend between a bike fit with your own bike or a bike fit using a jig ?
Neil GOAT
In lots of bike fits it seems like they look to see if the arch is collapsing which it almost always seem to need it. So why not start with getting proper arch support at the start of the fit and just assume it's needed?
Great bike fit video,, when are you coming to the U.S. to fit people ?
Ditto. Come to the US.
this is magic. how it should be a true master at work.
ps: it would be so nice if you could have done something like this with first getting her on some sort of those stupid AI fitting systems (myvelofit) that tells you stuff based on one video from one side and see what the actual difference is to a proper fit with a true master like neal.
very interesting! I‘m curious about the left-right balance… my powermeter (power2max) shows in most rides 51-49, sometimes 52-48, and I always thought that is ok, didn‘t expect a perfect balance. But if I got it correctly, that is false? If everything is set up correctly we should really get 50-50 readings?
Neill, why raising the handlebar puts more load on hands? Starts from 18:24
God I wish you were in the UK. 😭
Great video again!!
Off topic: what determines the crank length minimum? I.o.w.: what happens when the cranks are too short?
Fyi: I’ve gone from 172.5 to 150 on my TT bike and see only benefits, I don’t see why I wouldn’t go shorter even…
From my point of view, shorter cranks can make bikefitting easier, and if you are good at high cadences and have many close gear ratios on your bike, that's great. Optimal for flat roads and steady efforts - such as a TT.
What you will lose is torque. Your power can be the same at lower torque, but only if your cadence is (and can stay) high. So, if you need to ride a hilly landscape, make a breakaway, sprint or anything like that, super short cranks will be detrimental to your results.
One more note bikefitting-wise is that if you are struggling with a too low stack height and possibly also a too long reach, shorter cranks will make this worse. This problem will become apparent quickly on a long and low road bike, whereas it might not show up as a problem on a TT bike etc. because the position is so different (especially because you are resting some of your weight on your elbows).
As for me personally, my inseam is 77cm and I use 170mm cranks. I have tried 165mm cranks, and the loss of torque was not pleasant for my riding style (dynamic, hilly terrain, accelerations, getting out of the saddle sometimes, and not so high cadences).
If you make more observations, I would like to hear them 😀
Thanks a lot for all this feedback ! I totally agree with your analysis on torque and cadence. I aim for constant high cadence on flat terrain (all my triathlon’s are non-drafting and in … the Netherlands 😊). I did notice the stack hight and reach aspect but I had quite some margin to begin with. I will now test multiple chainrings to sit in the middle of my cassette at race pace. I’ll come back to you with how that goes. Cheers
Is that the SQ Labs 612 active saddle?
How do you overcome shoulder rocking as seen around 17:45 ?
Neil to bad your not in my home state of Massachusetts 🇺🇸 tough finding a good fitter I’m having trouble with left ankle falling in and striking the Crank arm.
I could probably help you out but you would need to drive down to NJ
Mate if it quietens down at all up in QLD there would be a tone of ppl needing your services in Sydney . May air bnb down here for a few months 🤣🤣👍🏻
Does Neil ever adjust cleat position?
Neil, say if you were leaning to one side of the bike, could this also be a cause?
A local company wants to make bike shoe specific orthotics/inserts for me. How do I vet their approach?
Where is this man located?
Neil, I seem to be suffering from exactly the same, right knee going slightly out on the top of the stroke and saddle sore on the right side. Which Glenda’s knee did hurt, left or right?
I meant saddle sore on the left side...
Hi Neil, I have c to c arround 135mm bone, and I go with Repente Quasar 142mm width. Should I down it to 135 or wider 145? I feel my center pelvic got more pressure, do you think my saddle height too high? or should I change another model that flater like you used in this video?
Hi, I'm not Neil unfortunately, but I can tell you about my experiences. General advice from saddle manufactures such as SQlab are that for a fast bent over road bike position, you should add at least 2 cm to the width of your sitbones to get to the saddle width you need. Add 3 or 4 for a slightly less aggressive/endurance position. But it very much depends on the shape of your saddle. If you identify approximately where you sit on the saddle (fore/aft), take a ruler and gauge where your sitbones will (in theory) sit. If these points are at the edge of the saddle or at a very sloped section, you most likely have to go wider. If the points are more than 2 cm from the edge and the saddle is relatively flat, you definitely have to go narrower.
In your case, I’m almost certain that you have to go wider. Your saddle is only 7mm wider than your sitbones. It might very well explain some or all of the discomfort..
As for me, I can't say that I have arrived at the optimal saddle and width, but I can say 100% that it is way, way better than any saddle I have ridden before. My sitbones are 110mm apart, and I am right now riding a SQlab 612 (standard) in size 15 cm. I have a feeling that that is slightly too wide, so I will see when I can get the chance to try a 14 cm. My position on the bike is not super aggressive, and my pelvis rotation is limited (I don't roll my pelvis forward on the saddle much), so I think 13 cm will be a touch too narrow for me.
For comparison, I used to ride a 142mm Fizik saddle, which had the “shoulders” of the saddle (i.e. the widest points) far back. That meant that I was sitting on a too narrow place, and that.. hurt. My pubic pain is as good as gone with the SQlab now, although I have some foot numbness on my right foot, which might be a leg length discrepancy. I am working on that, too. But I don't blame the saddle for that.
Good luck! 😀
.....yeah bike fitting is a great topic.....how much more complicated it seems at age when the impact of arthritus starts to influence body symetry
I wish I could work with you but unfortunately the trip from USA out to see you would be a bit out of my budget. Watching your videos makes me realize that no local bike fitter would be able to replicate your knowledge so I could to he to tinker with my setup on my own
Did neill stagger the q factor? It is not visible but he said it when she was on the bike. If so, what direction?
I believe he said it might be needed, but I think the proper insole fixed the issue without any Q-factor adjustment
I feel like I've got plenty of things in common with Glenda. Power meter is often out by 4-5% in terms of L/R balance. Neill - you need to go on an Australian bike fitting tour. (Or I need to fly to QLD with my bike, along with a few others, I suspect).
My 'stronger' leg (based on L/R balance) is the one where the knee dives away from the top tube and the foot tends to feel like it's always in the wrong spot.
I'm getting a pull on the upper calf, glastrocnemius areas. First time in cleat and a SS freewheel so is it the up stroke or is something misaligned?
If you're not used to cleats then they can be unforgiving if you're not set up well on the bike. Unlike flat pedals there's no ability to simply shift your foot around, often unconsciously, to accommodate issues with your position.
Thanks for the input.
How can there be such a thing as a perfect fit when so many of the computer models produce different results for the same input? So many times you hear "Is that comfortable?" or "If it's comfortable it's ok", when people can "get" comfortable with the wrong solution. Or there are a range of solutions in which case they are all perfect!!
Hey neal. Great video. But I have read that one study suggests only 10% of people even have symmetrical leg lengths. (Anatomic and functional leg-length inequality: a review and recommendation for clinical decision-making. Part I, anatomic leg-length inequality: prevalence, magnitude, effects and clinical significance 2005). What’s your take on that? I guess more people would have real issues in the bike if this would be a cause
Plus I would bet you could bring in 50 people having dysbalances, weird angles, knee calf yes and all of it all over the place without one having a single issue at all (no pain, nothing) same goes for spine and back imaging. You could see a lot of problems on image but people having no symptoms whatsoever. Would love your take on that topic on a video!
The level of expertise from Neil is just out of this world
After the correction, did it look like her left knee was flicking out a bit at the top of the stroke to anyone else? I wonder if that's why she said she felt the left quad after only 30 min.
Noticed that immediately as well. Has been overlooked imho.
I am sorry, but is her right knee not turning inwards now? It doesn't look symmetrical from the front. Still impressive knowledge though!
I wish we could clone Neil.
Do you work in Sydney?
Sunshine coast