10 Signs Your Bike Doesn't Fit You (and how to fix them)
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- Here's 10 signs your bike doesn't fit you and how to fix them.
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I have this recurring dream. I go to see James for a bike fit. He compliments me on my frame choice and says its the correct size. I ask for narrower bars but he measures my wide shoulders and tells me 44cm is spot on. I beg him to sell me a pair of 4mm axle Ultegra pedals but he won’t, because my narrow pelvis means my Q factor is perfect. I burst into tears and grab a random left Lake shoe from the shelf, running out of the shop and straight into oncoming traffic. Same every night.
Oddly specific
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not creepy at all! 😳
Try riding flat pedals in bare feet to your nearest shrink.
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I highly recommend binge watching all of the "Bike fit Tuesday" videos. I had ridden for nearly 30 yrs on the road w/o any issues, but once I got into my late 40s, I started noticing little niggles of pain. I started making adjustments to my bike position; bars, stem, hood position, saddle, and cleats according to what James said. Now, in my late 50s I have no issues no matter what distance I ride. Key thing is to make MINOR adjustments and ride several times before making any additional changes. It took me about a year's worth of cycling before my position was "perfect" for now, at least until my body gets older and needs another bit of adjustment.
100% I’ve had countless issues fixed from his videos. If I lived in the UK I’d have definitely gone, unfortunately I live on the other side of the planet, but yah the bike fit videos here are rock solid.
I'm a simple man. James talks. I listen.
Thank you for the time with James. I would tell my customers "a $500 bike is worth more than a $5000 bike if it fits you" Each bike brand has their own take on geometry. If you can buy a bike off the shelf and it fits you. Lucky you. For me the first things to go are the handlebars, stem and saddle😮
Oh. Congrats to Francis on his nuptials 😊
True. 8 years ago I bought a Boardman MX hybrid. The saddle was super comfy right away, no doubt due to the geometry. 4 years ago, I bought a Raleigh Motus ebike, (I’m old and live in a river valley surrounded by hills.) and the saddle was awful. I had a brainwave and bought the same saddle as on my Boardman hybrid. Nope, shockingly uncomfortable.
@@alethearobinson8132, who has he married?
Sorry, but are you really saying it's unlikely to find a bike that fits the buyer? Most bikes come with a degree of adjustment (obviously) to fine tune ideally during a bike fit. Sure there may be some "ideal" changes like cranks with different lengths but they're not essential. I've bought several bikes from different manufacturers and all have fit reasonably well from the off, and subsequently very well after a bike fit (the last two at Bicycle).
@matcat23 not at all. Just speaking from 18 years of experience fitting bikes to customers. For example, most road bikes come with 44 cm handlebar widths. This is usually too wide for the majority of men.
35 years ago riding hills in N. Kentucky. Had the good fortune of the local hotshot (maybe cat 2 at that time?), riding up to me saying he could show me a few things. Told me to get a new bar. Said the hoods should be the width of my shoulders. Taught myself and many others the proper way to ride a bike. O.B...thank you.
Always enjoy bike fit videos with James. I went to his shop for a fit, sold my bike that was too big for me and got shoes that actually fit, couldn’t be happier and highly recommend him and his shop. Not cheap but definitely a case of you get what you pay for and much cheaper than buying the wrong bike and suffering the discomfort that comes with it.
Was your bike one size too big or was it worse?
Very useful tips James - thanks especially the pain in my feet while pedalling, will try lowering the saddle height.
This is tremendously useful. Thank you. Right, I need to nudge my cleats back and get a pair of longer pedal axles. This channel is fast becoming ‘must watch.’ Chapeau!
Thanks so much. I have had pain on my 5th metatarsal for ages and couldn't figure out why. Shifted cleats over a few mil and so far amazing. Thank you
All of these videos do a valuable job, getting riders to enjoy and therefore want to use their bikes more, which is good news for absolutely everyone. Keep up the great work, and thankyou 👍
We missed you James, glad you're back
Incredibly professional and great insights, Thanks James!
Always fun to see James going 100 miles an hour, discussing bike fit & anatomy. And the best part of this video was surely Tony's Nowt Daft t-shirt that you're wearing at the end.
my thought the same. this is a 20 min video at 200% sepeed
Glad to see James back again. Love his advice. 👍🇮🇪
great tips in this video and a few of them have applied to myself throughout the years. e.g. as I lost weight I started getting bilateral saddle sores, which had never happened before in 4 years of commuting to work, and ultimately getting a wider saddle solved it.
Took James advise sometime ago from a video you posted. Bought Lake Shoes and G8 performance foot supports. I have to say that all of my foot issues are now non issues. For context I ride 13,000 to 16,000 kilometres a year and do long brevets.
Great to have Bikefit Tuesday back. On a Sunday. But these short videos are so wonderfully educational, and I for one, is not replacing my old Cannondale F1 before I've had a proper bike fit. I would be ashamed of myself, after watching BFT! Also, I am old, and need no more pain than I already have, thank you very much.
James content is always worth watching. Fantastic video
Great video, covered several problems I am currently experiencing
Lovely. By means of knowledge sharing over the years, James has elevated me from cycling idiot to a reasonably functional cyclist. This, simply from watching the videos; I could imagine how much a better an actual fit would be. One critical gold nugget is THE FOOT. I bought a new better fitting shoe and fine-tuned cleat position... AND WOW.
We need more James clips going forward
Awesome video ❤thank you so much for sharing your knowledge😊
Fascinating points flagged up, I may have to fly into London for a visit!
Massive thanks to you for giving us so much important insight! ❤
I've ridden bikes for decades and work in a bike shop that's utility commuting, touring and adventure leaning. I'm very interested in learning how to better solve peoples saddle issues / chosing an appropriate saddle. I'm not afraid to ask "what kind of pain, and where?", but looking at the holistic bike fit is something I struggle to be able to assess (it's critical!), so this video is very helpful. Onwards goes the research.
Always good content and very interesting with James
Getting high arch insoles for my shoes fixed 3/5 of my fit issues since I didn't realize how much added stress it was putting on my knees and hips under load
Instant Love!!! Love to your work and info you providing! :)
Don't think I have ever seen a James video without a Lake shoe dropping by to say hello!
They must be good.
Bicycle sold me both road and gravel Lake shoes post-bikefits. Lovely shoes, I've not had any issues since.
@@matcat23 Bont fan here, but I'm glad to hear qualified raves about Lake.
Lake have changed my life. I wish I’d found them sooner.
I had a proper bike fit recently and was recommended pedals with 4mm longer axle and it's made things much more comfortable.
I've already improved my comfort a lot on my bike from watching your videos. Thank you
YOU SIR have fixed me troubles, thank you so much
I told a fitter I was wearing out my handlebar tape just this way and had hand numbness. They never measured my shoulders, recommended the same width bars that I was riding , and recommended both a longer reach and a longer stem.
Finding a good fitter is like finding a four leaf clover.
Saddle height and pedal width. Off to remedy.
I have an older Roubaix I use in the trainer. Rubbed the bar tape clean off one side (Rear derailleur shifting) I had thought the handlebars I purchased when the originals corroded from hours of sweat were the correct width...probably need narrower ones.
I hit on most of James' red flags on my trainer bike. These suggestions will be very helpful. 🚴♂️🚴♂️🚴♂️
Thanks! I have definitely suffered from "shoe was too narrow so I moved up in size and positioning the cleat properly wasn't possible" and "saddle was too wide and destroyed my shorts"
Nice pace, good info.
Oddly, for me the heads are too far out, but the flat bar is too close.
I got lucky, got a bike 2021, £430 off of rrp, less than half recommended SH price.2554 miles with zero discomfort. So nice to sit in a saddle for 5 hours and carry on the rest day like I hadn't been.
Down side is not having the excuse to not go out in the back yard with the strimmer.
Holy shit that Cube Aerial was my very first roadbike! It went to a friend who took it overseas on a volunteer trip and I miss it so much. What a lovely surprise seeing it again!
These are the best videos you produce!
Thank you so much for this!
Please Show us a bike fit change when a person moves from spd SL to spd and vice versa, I recently did that with my new bike, went to a MTB Cleats from road, dint change the shoe as it fits both cleats
I have missed this man!
I think my saddle issues really are just the chamois not being wide enough and my "seat bones" sitting on the seams. Pressure mapping looked ok (on a Selle SMP VT30c)
And the shorts brake, the chamois rips at the seams too, you can see the seam ripping holes in the cover. Symmetrically on both sides. Hilarious.
That's on Castelli, the Assos Reform are much wider and work a lot better, but could still use a wider one.
Another excellent video from James.
I am watching your video from a different country and my english is not good enough. But your video is universal. Thats why I can understand.
I was literally just watching older videos with James about stance width and I am 100% convinced that I need a wider stance, my question however is, how wide should I go? I know moving the cleat gives about 5mm but I would much rather space the pedals out themselves. Pedal washers are only about 1.2mm? I can get pedal axle extenders but the shortest are around 16mm.
My saddle is always on right side, IV me dropped my saddle lol great video good to see you back
Always a treat, these Bikefitting with James episodes. One question: How many millimeters of washers are safe to add to get the pedals outwards?
Whatever the amount is, you must have a minimum thread engagement depth of 11 mm. If you're running carbon crankarms, you must use at least one washer/pedal.
The best fit I have on a bike is a walmart-tier fatbike that I put a short stem and BMX handlebars on, which both reduced the reach to the point the bars are nearly in-line with the steerer and raised them up massively. The wide Q factor flat pedals correct my foot/knee posture, I have my glutes engaged without even thinking about it, and riding it earlier fixed the crick in my back I have had for 3 days.
My other bikes require constant fiddling, else I start getting at best discomfort or at worst toe numbness or soreness in the rectus femoris where it connects to the knee (not sure if it's the muscle or the tendon). Even just copying the measurements from the fatbike didn't seem to do much. I'm at a loss on what to do to get my other bikes as comfy.
core work and stretching are your frendz
Can’t recommend James and the team at Bicycle highly enough. Total revelation. Fit first if you can.
Francis! Many thanks. Love the info that he puts out. I'd love to schedule a fit with him... but I'm scared that he'll tell me what I don't really want to hear! LOL! You know... the truth!
Great tips. I’ve been experiencing some pain on the outside of my right ankle, under the lateral malleolus (? The ankle bone that protrudes). Had a bike fit and he recommended inserts. I have high arches and am somewhat duck footed, particularly on the right foot. I adjusted my cleat to a more natural position, which resulted in heel strike on the chain stay. I’ll just added a couple pedal washers to correct that. I reduced my saddle height by about 10mm from the fitting as well, as it felt to high to me. I’m 57 and ride between 130-180 miles a week, all year round, so I thought it was just repetitive motion stress. I changed my shoes also, so I could move the cleats back. Any ideas? Thanks!
Great to see James back on the channel 👍......the advice is pragmatic and will certainty help cyclists achieve a comfortable position.
Thanks for all the bike fit videos you've produced over the years. Request though, there seems to be an emphasis (understandably) about issues caused by too much reach but not any coverage for the latter. I'm curious how little reach is too little and what issues arise when a reach is reduced too much or how to find a good reach to begin with?
Not enough reach makes you sit more upright than necessary. You might notice this from too much pressure on your sitbones, sometimes also sore lower back.
Well, best explanation No BS Thanks
Starting with a perfectly fitted bike I recently upgraded shoes from Specialized Recon to Giro Rincon only to get foot numbness and knee pain.
Wish there was like ETRTO between the shoe companies for cleat location. Maybe slam back the cleats as suggested?
Seems pretty far back. Maybe SPD has more placement range than those road clod hoppers shown. :)
"Clod hoppers" haven't heard that in years 😂
I'd love some bike fit James content for the other end of his usual content spectrum: us super narrow people! I need the narrowest saddle I can find and my cleats slammed all the way outboard.
Great video guys! Do you do any bike fittings in Texas???
I added pedal axle extenders to my pedals and they're great. And cheap!
What lake shoes are those when talking about outside foot pressure? I suffer from tendinitis along the top of the foot and frequent lace bite, esp with hard boa wire systems. Interested in a burrito tongue style design but wasn’t aware lake made those!
thank you for the video
What would be the first things to check if there's significant wear on only one grip (right one)? Happening on a flat bar gravel bike. No pain or discomfort really. Average ride distance 50-150km.
Best ever Bikefit James video - and that is saying a lot - so much great info - thanks to both
I would love to have a proper session / fit with James I was ever in the UK, or him in AUS with his equipment. I've had some lingering foot numbness ever since I started riding over a year ago. The numbness comes on when i start climbing or pushing in a hard gear and eases when i clip out or get out the saddle. It seems to come and go with different intensities but is always 'present'. I have had a 'pro' bike fit from a reputable bike fitter with a portfolio to back it up and i have revisited him to get a cleat placement a few months after my fit. I have tried 4 different types of shoes (i currently have wide BONT shoes), innersoles and different saddles. I feel super comfortable on the bike and i dont think the 'fit' is the issue. I run shimano cleats, should i change cleat systems? longer axel pedals? My bike fitter suggests to put a padded tape in my shoe for more 'cushioning' but i dont see that really working. I feel as though it is holding me back as i want to get into crit racing but don't know if i can put up with the numb feet.
Currently going through the process with James at the moment,.
the most dramatic upgrade I've had so far was getting a pair of perfectly fitting shoes. crazy thing is they were about a third of the price of the ones I was replacing.
My best shoes are from Decathlon. I just need some insoles for arch support but otherwise they fit really well.
My fear is that the best fitting shoes might be the worst looking ones...
Some time ago, I pointed out to a CZcamsr that the wear on the demonstration bikes bar tape could be an indication that his reach was possibly too long.
This wasn't appreciated, so I am very happy that James has just confirmed that my comment was justified
Who was that
@@troycollett8540 Reginald Scott, it was about taping bars the wrong way being the better way.
@@troycollett8540 George Vargas ,who seems to be a friend of Reginald Scott, was also critical of my observations and claims to have 20 years experience as a bike fitter.
Cleats all way back, saddle down, will see tomorrow on longer ride.
Handlebars next then...
I have a bit of a problem. Rather small hands. Hence I need handlebars with very small reach and drop. Something like Ritchey Beacon, that is 80mm drop and 65mm reach. So anything in a similar ballpark, but with less flare at the drops?
Done a bit of digging and the only one that is coming close, to be frank even better, is yet again, Ritchey. Corralitos. At 67.5mm drop and 52mm reach. Problem is, the narrowest option is at rather mighty 460mm. In theory 440mm, but that particular size seems to be somewhat like unobtanium...
Any suggestions?
Cheers!
I.
Great video!!
Here's a question that maybe a bloke like James can help answer.
A while back I got a pro bike-fit (From someone with lots of top quality reviews, certifications etc - definitely a well liked and trusted professional, but I'll leave them as anonymous in-case this is interpreted as a poor review). At the time my main complaints were pain in the outermost part of the ball of my right foot, lower back pain, and neck pain - almost all of which were low grade/non-existant at a ride's start but got worse with time in the saddle. The fitter changed a whole bunch regarding the bike - including a shorter stem, a new wider saddle with pressure relief channel, saddle height lowered, and slightly more spacing of the pedals. They also advised I get new shoes (as I was wearing some 2 sizes too small apparently!) so I bought the pair of lakes they advised.
The problem is I feel as though I've only got more pain and issues as a result. I now get the foot pain in both feet, and I feel I have a lot more pressure on my hands which is uncomfortable. I've ridden at least 450 miles since that bike fit just to be sure it wasn't a short-term 'getting used to a lot of changes' sort of thing. So the question is whether I should go back and get checked out again, or if the issue lies elsewhere? I'm a heavy bloke at 116kg and 6'5 height so I'm inclined to believe a big part of the problems are my 28% body fat and lack of core strength and such, and that tied with the cost of a bike fit makes me hesitant to get back in touch with the fitter and get another look. How much of my pain is likely to be position related, and how much of it is likely to be fitness related?
I'll just say as an addendum that the fit I had was an excellent experience. They were clearly very knowledgeable but never tried to upsell me - or in-fact try to sell me anything at all, unless they thought it would make a significant improvement to my riding experience (And even then, it was much more of a "Well you can buy this one, but feel free to source one yourself and drop me an email if you want and I'll make sure it's the right specs"). End of the day this is essentially physiotherapy, and last time I checked physios don't expect to just nail it first time and you'll be fixed for life. It would not surprise me at all if it actually requires 2 or 3 sessions to really get the position bang on.
thank you for bringing us more BF James
I’ve had varying experiences in my 4 dif bike fits in the US. None of them ever gave me my “fit numbers” but sold me on loads of dif footbeds and bike parts(some helped, some didn’t make sense).
Now I suspect I’m on bikes that are too long and can’t easily purchase a new bike without another fit!
I wish there was a standard training for fitters, I’ve been to a retul, an old school fitter and a physio and I still have most of the problems you describe. Can you do a fit virtually? 😁
The best guidance would probably be to find out, if there are any pro teams in your area and what fitters they use. Chances are, they are at least somewhat competent and not there to sell you stuff.
Bike Fit James!!!! Love seeing these videos as I always learn something.
I have found that much of the discomfort was gone l when I increased my saddle height significantly. I'm sitting like 3 cm higher than any of the common methods for determining the correct saddle height suggest. Now, my knee pain as well as the neck pain is gone...and no other discomfort has occurred.
Hi James,
I get sadly pains after about 30 mins of riding.
I attributed this mostly to cheap shorts.
However now that you are talking about leg length discrepancy I'm curious what to do about it?
I have a leg difference of 14mm.
In my normal shoes I have insoles that compensate 7mm.
Should I look at a shim of 7mm to put underneath my cleat?
I can't use my insoles because the back of my cycling shoes are too low so my foot would stick out with the insoles in.
What about deliberately choosing wider bars for gravel bikes for example - as per MTB. I guess this is road specific and would be tailored to individual and riding style with a proper fit.
what long axle SPD (mtb/gravel) pedal options are there?
Any good fitters you would recommend in Denver? As much as I’d love to fly to the UK for w fit!
Good stuff! Wish you were in the U.S.
Thanks James and Francis... shit, my bar tape is worn at the shoulder. One side ?
A lot of the bike fitting theory seems to start with the assumption that the rider already has good core muscle strength, which if poor can result in arching of the back and rotation of the pelvis, leading to pressure on the narrower part of the saddle and excessive weight on the arms. Would be good to see how to address the 'core' issues too!
Also, we aren't all riding road bikes! Can we have bike fitting videos for people on tourers, Dutch bikes, bikepacking MTBs and the like, where comfort over the miles is more important than aero and looks.
1:42 Thanks for that lightbulb moment.
I'd love to book a fitting for the first time in 50 yrs of riding but, does one include a flight from Tasmania, too?
A great range of fitting aspects to consider for newbies or oldies as our bodies don't stay the same for long and adaptation is always required for us humans with an anatomy. ;-)
Narrow bars, my 17yo self tried the widest bars, 15in. I've just remeasured my shoulder width (on my 6'2"/188cm frame) at 38cm/15".
My 46cm bars never felt too wide, but what's with this craze to 'narrow bars' when almost no-one is riding the standard 13"/36cm bars of old anyway? Sounds a little like all the gossip telling everyone to drop their crank length. For me to go below my current 180/177.5 sizes. I'm using 40 & 44cm bars now, with 46s just for my 110 metre hillclimb bike, go figure!
You've included so much, and even a lot to do with how different bodies need different considerations, well done!
...also *_congratulations_* to you & Dani
I guess when you are a hammer everything looks like a nail? First time I've heard saddle sores blamed almost totally on poor bike fit? So guys like Laurent Fignon and others who famously suffered with them would have avoided it all if they'd only stopped by your fitting studio? HIgh-quality (and clean, clean, clean) cycling shorts and a high-quality saddle with a bit of chamois creme (my fave is Hibros) would be the first thing I'd recommend after decades in the bike biz. Find a shop who'll let you test-ride a selection of saddles. Finding the right one for you makes a huge difference.
Francis , could you put together a rider fitting guide for MTB hardtail owners , please ?
Hi Francis and James. My inner thighs are rubbing against the front of my saddle clamp and saddle rails. This rub wears the stitches (of the chamois) and the fabric of my bibs in this area and, ultimately, tears a hole, slightly faster on the right side. Is this something you've already seen? People I've talked to seem to find inner thighs rub pretty odd. I'm really wondering if there is something obvious I should look at : maybe the shape, the width of my saddle? my stance, cleats, q-factor? something else? Tearing my bibs is pretty annoying and I'd appreciate any suggestion. Thanks a lot.
What's the consensus on gravel bar width? If road bar width is shoulder width, is gravel this plus a bit?
Can’t wait to test CX333 😍
Hi I have a 1ianch and a half shorter on the left femur and a half inch on the tibia. I currently ride a mountain bike trek marlin 5. How do I get a good fit for this bike? I have often come up against rubbing on the left side of the goin area. I do have a full hip replacement and looking to upgrade to a bike to do full triathlon on. Either way my mountain bike would most likely be my everyday commuter how do I fit these different needs correctly ?
James ”The King” of Bikefitting!😃😃
I have bilateral soreness after 2 days riding. Wrist pain too
Some great comments
any input welcome: I am experiencing rubbing on the inside of my thights. The saddle is already showing signs of rubbing on the side. i am running selle italia slr boost superflow S3.
No other issues than this rubbing...
any suggestions on the cause?
Question for James I've had a bike fit, but I still get tightness in the Thorasic all the time. What is the remedy for relieving this.
Is there any chance of showing a bike fit for those who prefer flat pedals - not clipless? Cheers
I recently went to change my cleats on my shoes and found the captive nuts were heading towards free range. Thus, I had a scurry around the local bike shops and ended up getting a shoe fit for Lakes. I've got wide feet and ended up with a double boa system and I'm struggling a bit with numb feet despite my cleat position being the same (I think). I'm also wedged/packed as I destroyed one of my legs a decade ago. My previous shoes had a ratchet and boa and I don't know if I'm just over tightening the shoes?
I should also say that I'm quite a small rider so overlap can be a bit problematic and is obviously worsened by slamming by cleats further back.
Nice to see James back again. Although funny for him to not be 'Angry James' 🙂
Oh, and worth noting that his prior advice got this very tall rider to make two key changes that I'd never even considered: 1) get cleat positioning plates to move them back further (so much better even than the slammed back I'd always done) 2) getting the adjustable arch inserts to find the right setting for height and position. This one happened to have been backed up by an unrelated visit to a podiatrist.
How much would a bike fitter hate me for using flats on a road bike? At the end of the day I'm riding for fun and fitness, not trying to smash KOMs, and flats just give me more confidence. I also spent 8 years MTBing with flats which is also a reason for sticking with them.
I have done 2 different bikefits on 2 different places, I have numb feet (mostly right), a sore neck and lots of pressure on my ass.. Even after the fit, this discomfort still remains ! I've been setting up and down my sadle back and forth numerous times without any results :( Besides that, last year I slipped and took a fall on the road and fell hard. Causing me to be anxious on the bike. This in relation with soreness, I'm not sure if i'll be riding any longer. Any tips ?