C9 to Replace Fudge with Thanatos | Doublelift's Thoughts on Cloud9's New Top Laner
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- čas přidán 4. 04. 2024
- Doublelift gives his thoughts on Cloud9's Thanatos as a player (having played him in scrims in 2023 Spring).
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“Ah yes thanatos sounds like thanos” instead of the greek personification of death is a Moment
Hades is the Greek god of death . Thanatos in Greek (Θάνατος) literally means death. It's the word for death
@@DRAGONADElolI don't wanna be that guy but I will anyways. Hades is actually God of the Underworld. Thanatos is the God/Angel of Death, he's the personification of death itself. According to Greek mythology, when you die, it's Thanatos that ushers you to the realm of Hades. He's described as an inevitable force, that even Gods will have to face one day. That's fucking badass.
NA education moment
@@DRAGONADElol hades is the god of the dead and the underworld, thanatos is a separate entity that is the personification of death
@@rezzy9159 honestly when u say it like that fuckkk man what a title
People forget that at the start of the split Jack asked Fudge to step up, he's been in the org for a while now and he doenst seems to improve
Saying the competition in EU is better this year is wild if you've watched any LEC lol. MAD is a top 3 team in that region. Top is probably a little better in LEC as a whole but they still employ Finn and Cabochard, it's not like any of their top laners are world class
Yeah I had to pull up the list of LEC tops when he said that. Brokenblade, Photon, maybe Wunder? After that none of the names stood out as so much better than LCS tops. Outside of FakeGod and Dhokla, all of the LCS tops are solid. With Fudge and Licorice available, FakeGod and Dhokla could be on their way out as well.
literally caedral said LCS is better himself xd
@@Djfjfjrhhrjrhrhfjirrelevant is so good
@@RomnysGonzalez I would disagree on the Topside being better in LCS than LEC, I would also clarify I am not from EU. Overall, yes, the level of LEC might be lower than LCS this year. But on Topside, I would argue that BB, Photon and Irrelevant are at the same level or slightly better than the top 3 Toplaners in LCS that you mentioned, sure the rest of the teams toplaners are really mediocre to bad, but these 3 I mentioned are completly different in terms of team impact. Photon is a really good laner, BB has one of the best map movement in the West, he is also one of the best teamfighters, same with Irrelevant, which is incredible solid.
A carry top laner is the last thing you need on C9 when you have Jojo and Berserker for carries
He’s not a carry player though, homie has a bigger champ pool, plays weak side tank picks
@@bread5839 Nah bro. He primarily plays Renekton, Gnar, Jax and Ksante. Maybe Gwen if she's meta. The dude like a mini Bin. Having 9 tank games in the last 2 years doesn't make him a tank player.
@@ICCraider Don't forget the full lethality aatrox I saw him on several times this split. Never mind maybe it's best to forget.
I think that it’ll be hard, but if the team clicks then they can play to just hardstomp every lane and snowball. In NA, Jojo will have pressure mid every game and if Thanatos stomps lane then Jojo/Blaber can pressure both enough that they have perma advantage bot. This playstyle would be insanely hard to pull off, but with Reapered back, maybe they can be insane in Summer.
@@manniereyamoguisjr.4275 I mean anything is better than Fudge the moving ward.
I think Fudge made a lot of haters since he talked trash/arrogant attitude when he first came in (kinda like APA is now) then people just decide they hate that guy forever and actively cheer his downfall. Obviously he's had a bad split but overall he's been a good player, C9 has also been dysfunctional for a long time. There's literally still hate threads about Doublelift and his "negativity" to this day.
His mouth is Writing Checks his body cant cash.
Weird comparison because of how popular APA is where Is Fudge, not so much. APA was even popular the first split he was yapping with so-so results. I think Fudge is just weaker than the current competition in things like team fighting, often picks carries and becomes a bit invisible. Not to say he can't find success again, just looked not so good lately.
He just came across as someone who didn't care as much, even during that time when everyone was in champions queue and fudge was refusing to play it. On top of the super laid back personality a lot of people just came to the conclusion he doesn't care about improving as much as he used to.
The fact Thanatos wasn’t on Disney Plus KIA this year was absolutely criminal
idk people hate on Kingen too hard hes been pretty good this year
He’s an Aatrox merchant.
@@Marcus-Blackfyre Kingen is good, but Thanatos Lucid was the combo, new Nuguri/Showmaker Canyon
@@tomula2718 idk its possible but with how bad DK are about the brains of the game I think adding another rookie is not great. Personally I would have loved to see Thanatos paired with Tarzan, think Tarzan brings big brains to the team and also is just a phenomenal player that would work great with showmaker and thanatos. Would have liked to see Lucid go to LPL on NIP.
i think Fudge is a fundamentally strong top laner, but never really had international prowess. also I think LCS top laners may actually be stronger than LEC at least this last year. BB being the obv exception, but I think LCS & LEC are pretty close top lane level wise
The issue and separation between bwipo/impact/sniper isn’t their laning, it’s their teamfighting.
Fudge is good laning and doesn’t look to be the issue, but when you watch the teamfighting he’s horrible.
I’m not saying fudge never was good, but I’ll say that this year ADC is extremely weak, in previous years it was easy for him to shine because berserker was hard carrying every fight. Now that the meta for him to carry is here, he got exposed.
@@RomnysGonzalez I think I meant fundamentally for his team** but yeah I agree with everything you said lmao
@@bigrichard1992 Yeah I big agree with this. I actually really thought his team fighting was bad when Perkz was there but chalked it up to inexperience, but it really hasn’t improved whatsoever since. excited to see them make this type of change if it’s ends up happening
@@RomnysGonzalezthat’s jgl issue. None of those players push leads on their own. It’s really hard to as top against a good top anyways. It’s impossible to push ur lead when ur jgl is afk farming. Blaber had the least impact out of any jgl in the league for the past 4 seasons. That’s why even summit managed to look bad on c9.
Blaber needs to go. Jgl hasn’t been a carry role for like 4 years yet he plays selfishly and refuses to play map or move game state. C9 has had best laners in NA every year for like past 4 years and consistently fall short. Problem is lack of macro and team identity both things typically decided by mid jgl. The only constant in this team has been jgl and they’ve been consistently underperforming
Fudge was good at msi a few years ago when Lee Sin top was meta.
If youre not joining G2, I feel like LCS is the better choice. I mean look at how it went for Bo
Thanatos is the personification of death in Greek mythology so he must be something lol
Thanatos will be insane for a split. Regression guranteed in NA
Glad c9 finally has a different top
I suspect that Fudge is struggling because he's having to be a larger voice for the team than he has in previous splits.
We have seen an incredible ceiling out of Fudge, and those came at times where he was left to his devices, following veteran calls, and working almost solely on his mechanics.
Whoever picks him up should really set him up to be an island.
Theres a chance that Kcorp is a better long term decision but I dont think he wants to go to a 9th place team to likely play 9 games and then his season is over because Kcrop finished outside top 8 in summer and failed to qualify for the season finals. C9 is a much more appealing choice at the moment because they still finished 3rd while being inconsistent and clueless the whole split. If C9 actually improve then they can definitely contend to win Summer and go to Worlds which is way better than whatever Kcorp could offer for this season. Also EU tops atm are not that good at all.
So many people in the comments are comparing Summit, but the difference with Summit is people realize if you play to punish Summit he really suffers. By contrast, if you play to punish Impact or Zeus, they of course fall behind, but they don't fall apart and int nonstop. Teams also used this same strategy on JoJo when he was with EG but the difference was if JoJo fell behind there was non one else to carry and JoJo often still could carry. Summit had Berserker and still inted games away. Since teams started exploiting him like that, he hasn't been the same as a player.
Jojo was not having an off split.
true, he's just shit.
To add to that point, even if Jojo was having an “off” playoffs, which is the only part of the split that you could even begin to argue he was off on, it was only because teams just banned his play making champs. Jojo would literally pull wins out of his ass with Neeko, Ahri, and Azir.
I think this is a potential upgrade but fudge was definitely not the team’s problem this split, if they don’t figure out how to draft decent comps and play out their mid game they’re still gonna get stomped
hes name means death in Greek
So Doublelift clearly doesn’t know lucid played for damwon all spilt. Classic
Bro I saw that and I was like uhhh 2 item Lucid ah yes.. the jungle prodigy! Lol and the fact he said EU is much higher level then lcs I don’t think he watches a lick of other regions
KCorp Thanatos would literally be a carbon copy of Last years VIT, I don't wish that on anyone
Top: Cracked Korean Top Laner
Jungle: Bo
Mid: Hyped mid laner that looks nothing like the player they were the years prior
Bot: Upset
Support: Best in the league at one point, but then fell to rock bottom and broke their legs
Support more so specially ruined his whole mouth than legs
Targamas has NEVER been close to the best support in the LEC.
@Shreddasaurus After G2 people thought he was
@@Flatebo31 G2 fan here, we never thought Targamas was good at all. Most fans saw Flakked Targamas as the biggest liabilities for the team and Claps Jankos waking up in lower bracket was the only reason we got to MSI in 22
@ju5tm398 I mean that's just false, 2022 spring targamas was 3rd team all pro and summer he was 2nd team. He was definitely in conversations for best support in the league that year.
I don't see how this solves C9's problems. So now they have 3-4 players that want to be the carry? They need team work--they already have strong laners, how does adding one more help them?
I feel like Fudge doesnt really do anything but he gets away with just going even in lane because theres no consistent dominant top laners to expose it
Thanatos, in ancient Greek religion and mythology, the personification of death.
Did bro say EU has better teams 💀
Made me laugh
truth hurts?
The irony though. Jojo was saying TL has an import slot to APA in their match in all chat and C9 is the team to hit the panic button.
Bro I’m a EU fan and in no way is the competition better. It’s one of the worst it’s ever been. the fact that g2 can play experimental comps and dumpster everyone in EU but get smacked by nrg is enough said. The LCS top to bottom is far more competitive and have a better understanding of the meta
DL hard coping, Fudge was fucking invisible this split, hope he finds another team, but god damn disgusting performance.
im hyped for this but all players after awhile of being here succumbs to the NA talent XD
DL seems so out of touch with competitive these days.
Thanatos in Greek (Θάνατος) literally means death. Love the name
Whenever we have superstar Koreans come over to the LCS I've become disillusioned with what they can actually achieve. The systems here can prevent some players from being their full potential. Prince was a good example. The king of adc and his team goes out close to last place. C9 and their systems are known for making players be less than they are. Doesn't matter that Reapered is coming back. I have little faith the NA can make changes either with players or coaches to do anything internationally.
Hopefully Sven support
Cant thats our second import slot
@@thomasryan7987 zven is an American citizen now
Even if EU has a higher level of competition (big if), on C9 he's at least expected to make worlds and gain experience against the top pros in serious tournaments. I think that's more important as far as level of competition goes.
Send in thanos to clap the lcs roster
Saying the competition for top lane is higher in EU than in NA is hilarious. Maybe BB is the best top laner in the west but the overall “level” in EU is so much lower this year.
Good . He should of been kicked last year.
Cool more reasons for NA to just be nothing but korean and chinese imports. So much for Domestic talent right? Maybe if LCS pulled its head out of its as and trained and practiced like the LCK teams do we would not be having these issues. NA (Nearest Airport) because a month boot camp in korea is enough to win worlds xDD what a joke
Last years DKCL team probably wouldve won LCS
And fight G2 for lecs first spot aswell.
Thanatos gonna get snapped once he lands on NA soil
all this just for impact to gap them
How can he go to K Corp if he's not French? Their entire identity is "we're French?". Well, that and now mismanagement 😂
Only 2 players are French out of 5 players
Why they always sticking with blaber it's cringe
"EU competition is better" this is how u know bro hasnt watched any LEC this year
LMAO the competition in top EU is a lot better💀
LCS top is stacked as hell, EU top is garbage. tf
I assume you are a NA resident?
@@niekje183 EU is no better then NA these days
and if you think im wrong...who got out of groups again???????
@@socksrocksdocks that is last season tho. Its a completely different meta and playstyle now than last year worlds. NRG didn't even go far in playoffs so you can see how much they have regressed. We will see at MSI i guess.
@@niekje183 its not that NRG has regressed its that NA as a whole has gotten more competitive
@@socksrocksdocks you really believe that? C9 was supposed to be the super team and they hard collapsed. FLY was looking solid during regular season but then griefed the playoffs. Only promising is TL as far as I could tell. The other teams didn't really look competitive to me
Hey redditors it's mister streamer man that's uneducated, and he won't be reading your comment!
You know these pokemon guys spread fake rumors right? They said they 'confirmed' maple quitting this year ( he didnt) stfg if i see another fake rumor out of these pokemon journalist im going to punch my monitor who gave them credibility to make predictions that are 90% false
Maple one was wrong, but wooloo and eevee are usually almost always accurate with their statements. Its more like 90% true then 90% false lmao.
This thanatos signing was pretty obvious anyways. Anyone couldve seen this coming
Video full of L's
fatge was never good
Yeah I'm never going to America lol, too many guns!
Problem isn’t fudge and never was. Blaber is a fraud. He’s probably one of the worst jgl in the league rn and should have been dropped ages ago. C9 has consistently had the best players in every role practically every season since 2020. Yet they’ve consistently under performed or have been upset by lesser skilled teams. C9 has the most individual and in role talent of any team that’s why everyone was hyped. Problem is that they have 0 team play or macro and it’s been that way since 2020. Blabber needs to be dropped. It is jungles role to coordinate team play, macro, map movement pre 20. C9 pre 20 mins just afk farms like npcs. Jgl is not a carry role and hasn’t been in like 4 seasons. Get a play making jungle not a farming jgl. River would have been insane grab this past off season. Idk just annoys me that they’ve gone through so many roster changes and blabber stays.
Honestly which jgl is worse than blaber this split? In the first 20 mins of the game, name a single jgl that does less than blaber. It’s impossible. Sure some may have worse mechanics but they all provide more for their team than blaber and consistently move the game state forward rather than afk farm the jgl which gives 0 exp or gold this season
Can you imagine inspired on C9...