Why does Dan Harmon think Vindicators is the worst Rick & Morty episode?
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Why did Dan Harmon say that 'Vindicators 3' was, "the worst episode of Rick and Morty ever"? It has to do with Dan Harmon's attachment to the Hero's Journey, a narrative structure that is the foundation of most stories; a structure that Vindicators 3 breaks.
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The main problem was that after Alan Rails died, he didn't turn into a ghost that summons regular trains...
Bill Casey dawg 😂😂🤣🤣
fucking epic
Choo choo mofos
Yes! 😂
Lmfao
I like how the episode that ruins Morty's view on Heros is the one that also doesn't follow the hero's journey too well.
It exemplifies the issue it tries to criticise. Yes, that is interesting.
Ansh Soni that was probably Justin Roiland then it has his humor all over it.
In theory it was a hero's journey.
However Rick just happened to get super wasted and decided to make it into a duprr fucked up Saw scenario. Even went as far as to make an awesome heart warming ride for Noobnoob.
@@Kspice9000 If 301 asked the question "who or what is Rick to Morty now?" then this episode would answer that - "his drunk grandpa".
Also I think Harmon might be pissed that his BREAKING of the journey was too obvious. Kinda like Lateralus for Maynard?
After watching the last episode with the sperm Dan Harmon has no room to talk about which episode was worst.
Cold fact
LMFAO FR
Yeah. The entire new season has been shit, with the exception of the very first episode of it. The season before had some real stinkers too, like the episode with Rick’s toilet. Seasons 1-2 were packed with bangers.
Vindicators 3 is actually one of my favorites.
@@broomybroomybroomy I think every episode besides cum horses has been good. Especially the 3rd episode with earth woman. The 2nd episode was pretty solid too. I dont really have too high of standards for the show as most people
@@broomybroomybroomy agree with this. Have to add the dragon episode to the list of stinkers in s4
Vance: “I never forget a kid.”
Morty: “Did he say ‘three for three’?”
Rick: “Did he say I never forget a kid?”
Pedometer is going off
that's Dan "get in the van" Harmon for you.
I don't get the "three for three" quote, can someone explain
I think the three for three was referring to this being their their adventure instead of their second. Meaning the team went on a mission in between their first and third one.
defo was a nonce reference ,there in every episode ,wake up you fucking idiots
I don't know man. That Noob Noob scene killed me so badly.
noob noob and not n00b n00b or newb newb? I'm gettin old.
yeah that's where Morty actually grows, he is at peace with the fact that Rick is a huge asshole, when usually, it infuriates him.
I’m pretty sure it’s “noop noop” not “noob noob”
Jakes are gonna find dis ya know I thought it was newb newb, what does noop noop mean?
Alexis Misselyn Does it look like I fucking know, nigga. Replay the episode and listen.
Also take this pill -> 💊
It will extend your capability of hearing. So now you won’t make a bitch ass mistake like “noob noob”
Not every story has to exactly follow that exact interpretation of the "hero's journey" pattern.
Greenlion781 For dan Harmond it does
I don't think the point is that every story absolutely needs to follow the same formula. Rules can always be broken, but if you're going to break a rule, it should be for a good reason. The issue with the Vindicators episode is that, subjectively, it doesn't really make the story any more interesting.
Greenlion781 That's what happens when someone with not semiotic background tries to explain stuff
That is no excuse for making a bad episode
There is a reason this story doesn't follow the hero's journey pattern, it is not a hero's journey story. A stories structure should be based on its purpose, and The Vindictor's isn't about the journey itself, it is a satire of modern heros and a character study for Morty.
Yeah, I love the episode, but Im glad Harmon has such high standards for the show's storytelling. Otherwise it would have gone completely off the rails by now.
I like Roiland. But if he had full complete control, it would've definitely gone completely off the rails by now.
Off the rails.. heh
Season 3 kinda felt like that, but it may be just one of those "let loose" seasons that was affected by fast skyrocketing popularity.
All aboard!!!
...ok someone had to say it
Whofan06 To be fair, Harmon would’ve learnt a lot working on Community and other projects. He is definitely the glue that’s holds the show together in terms of storytelling and preventing it from getting so over the top it stops being believable.
I’m glad he made season 5 episode 4 so that everyone could agree unanimously what the worst episode was
Was waiting for this comment 🤣
thank you for this comment
Episode 4 was hilarious lmao
@@JT__Media I liked episode 4 but what irritates me was the fact that Rick didn’t find morty suspicious after the opening
I 100% agree man, it was just wack and not as funny and interesting as other episodes, first 2 episodes of season 5 were good, episode 3 was okay, 4 was not great, then 5 was good
I honestly can't think of an episode I genuinely didn't like
I thought it was a good episode but I was rewatching season three recently and realized this episode just isn't right. It didn't feel like them to me. I do love it all but this one got a low re-rating from me.
Season 3 in general was utter trash
The episode with tommy was right for you?
I personally don't care much for Ricklantis Mixup.
The only episode I didn't like was the one about their dog in season 1.
I don't think this is his worst episode anymore
That's what I was thinking. I fucking hate his Rickdependence Spray episode. It was like they gave the authority to write the show to a middle schooler and called it a day.
@@jake69542 Thank You! Finally someone else said it besides me. I liked the show too, but some fans just like anything it does and just accepts the disgusting/disturbing ideas the writers come up with.
@@jake69542 Yeah Rick and Morty is known for being over the top and ridiculous of course. But this last episode was just ridiculous for the sake of being so, not really creative imo.
The decoy family episode is
@@jake69542 yeah it was too try hard
If he didn’t like this episode looking back then poor guy will have a seizure watching the sperm/horse people episode
He was the one with that episode idea
I didn’t watch any of the season 5 episodes yet and all these comments are making me think it’s better that way
@@MeedasGuy I don't know if you have already watched it or not but if not, I'd recommend you to watch it before getting any spoilers. I think it is a very good season.
@@MeedasGuy I'd honestly recommend calling it quits at season 4 and just not watching season 5 at all.
I quit the show before the season had finished, it was that bad.
@@MeedasGuy I'd watch season 5, I think objectively it's a lot better than season 3, just skip the sperm episode.
I love the Vindicators episode and it's mostly due to the unusual structure. It's like you put a bunch of characters into an adventure that are all like "ugh, fine, let's get this over with".
It's hilarious
@Nicholas Shaw i hated the president Obama fight ep.
I thought this ep was mocking the avengers cause its been the longest super hero team up that seem like they write their own press releases. Loved this ep.
@Nicholas Shaw I like the pilot, but it's hard to watch because Rick's voice is so annoying. I'm glad they toned down the drunken slurring a good bit.
Nicholas Shaw I agree, I don’t like it that much.
I don’t love the second episode of the season
Rick's point was that there are no real heroes.
Nothing in the episode was resolved through heroism.
This worked within the story arc of the whole season. The need for a Jerry to balance the Rick.
This needs to be top commenr
But Morty already balancing the Rick.
Too much balance! Too much balance! Error. Error.
Ironic watching this now after seeing that fantasy dragon episode...
I didn't like that one, mainly bc my sister was looking at me/it weird
I like how later in the season they poke fun at how dumb of an idea it was from morty 😂
And train episode, and the episode with heistotron
The FD episode is the best. Any south park fan will get what I mean. R&M creators really did show us how ridiculous we look playing D&D through irony. I used to like medieval period, armour and dragons, but this episode truly changed me. If an episode is able to change the minds it is undoubtedly great!
@@user-ou4mv2zk5p if you're letting a show dictate what you like you stop watching it. Game of thrones is a bad example (cause the writers stopped caring) but I loved the show and the books a lot ( Ironically it's still my picture from years ago). just because I get what rick and morty is saying isn't going to make me not like something. If you get to obsessed with any fantasy. weather it's g.o.t., star wars, marvel, or rick and morty it's cringy and should be made fun of.
What is "Israel"?
Just something rick talks about when he's blacked out.
He just babbles about defense budgets and the United Nations.
What Israel ? ..... What is real?
@@vig5678 stop. Just stop
@@YTM100 ok jew
I ain’t even touching that one
Well, after 5x04... Vindicators is MASSIVELY better lol
that one werent really bad just uncomortable
Agreed. Would take Vindicators over that episode anyday
@@SoranotRoxas they were both mediocre
Got Daaaaamn
Dante Smith fo real noob noob was the only saving grace
Thanks noob noob
Dante Smith he gets it
Someone: messes up a character's catchphrase.
Me: "God Daaamn"
I think we need an episode with only Noob Noob, Mr. Poopy Butthole and Mr. Meseeks
I still enjoyed the episode just because it makes fun of a bunch of superhero trends.
I think it misses the mark entirely. It's not about 'believing in superheroes'. It's about the power these films make you feel in a world that we have no real power in. Even some of the wealtheir among us have all sorts of solutions to the world's problems that will NEVER be implemented because we simply don't have enough power.
That's why superhero movies are popular. It's very rarely addressed by anyone, as far as I've seen. They just whine about it being 'schlock' or whatever. Useless critique is useless.
Not well. It’s just like “man, look at those Superhero movies. Aren’t they lame, man? Why’re they so popular?” It’s pretentious without really saying anything unique or compelling about the genre, it just shits on it because.... Superhero movies are popular and abundant?
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This episode is unreal. High standards leads to high quality
No.
@Mayochiki that's a good episode
@Mayochiki It's a good episode, the moment was just taken out of context, and we were then beaten over the head with it for months. Now, pickles are pretty squishy by nature, but after a while, even they can deal some serious damage
@Mayochiki Alright, well, lay down some arguments, my friend. I'm down for a friendly debate
@Mayochiki Nice. You have missed the entire point of ricks character
Now the "rickdipendence spray" is the worst episode everyone would agree.
@WungusBill I thought it was funny too
I like the episode...but really I like just about every episode.
I agree with you.... and I don't agree with just about everyone.
Mike Zilla: This is the only episode that I actually hate. I'm not very fond of Rickmancing the Stone either!
what episode dont u like?
I dunno. I guess if I HAD to pick one from this season the ABCs of Beth.
Was just gonna say the same thing. People are getting wound up because it's skewering superhero movies.
of course it's not the best, it IS a Morty adventure after all.
Not the best but I'll take a bad Morty adventure over the best Jerry adventure.
Well the last Marty adventure being the meseeks episode was a banger
It was bad because cyber-alligator was killed for nothing((
Crocobot
Crocobot
Eh it's okay. The crocubots ended up getting a war with robots in season 4 anyways. If he'd been there it probably wouldn't have ended well for him anyways considering what happened
It's called Hubris. Crocobot died because of hubris.
Wow, so i am not the only one who feels sorry for my guy Crocubot
The episode introduced noob noob. Automatically makes it a classic.
Who the fuck is noob noob?
@@vaibhovshinde the janitor guy that goes "God damn"
@@nicholasprezzato8115 I was making Rick's dialogue reference.
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Yeah I didn't have a problem with this episode, in fact I liked it more than usual.
There's something satisfying about seeing things go to shit in the first half and spending the rest just soaking in the hubris.
Dan Harmon doesn't like an episode of Rick and Morty? Sounds like Dan Harmon isn't as intelligent as I am.
PANICBLADE+ Fact.
PANICBLADE fuck you
Diego Martinez its a meme, chill
To be fair you have to have a pretty high IQ to understand and appreciate Rick and Morty...
😂
Claire B fuck YOU
I wonder what his opinion is about the sperm episode.
The show thrives when the characters do something outrageous to solve a small selfish desire. Look at the microverse to power a car, or the meeseeks box to just solve a golf swing.
This is why I love this show. It intertwines the epically cosmic with the completely mundane and petty.
so the recent horse episode must be fantastic according to your comment
I just watched season 3 today. As I watched this episode, I was actually impressed that Morty didn't try to change Rick in his usual whiney way. I consciously concluded that Morty had developed some type of twisted acceptance of drunk-Rick's behavior (like a parent that constantly cleans up their child's mistakes but hasn't kicked them out of the house).
Seeing Morty spend almost half the episode just going through the motions illustrated, to me, how important Mortys are in Ricks' existence.
I can only speak for myself; I enjoyed this episode, it was a wonderful change of pace from the expected pacing.
Paul Diamond That's why I liked it too - it felt different. And because I generally dislike the oversaturation of superhero movies I enjoyed the show mocking that as well.
Totally.
Paul, your opinion is 100% correct.
Paul Diamond truuye
Not to mention it's funny as FUCK.
If Dan Harmon claims to be so meticulous about story structure, what exactly is the justification for the Interdimensional Cable episodes, or Morty's Mindblowers?
Alcohol.
The main story wasn't about Rick and Morty in that episode. It was about Beth and Jerry.
How they started the day normal, but then they found out they could see what their lives could have been with the "goggles". They saw that, and found out their own lives would be better in some ways if they didn't got together. This makes both of them a little sad, so they think about leaving each other.
Later in the episode, they find out their happieness doesn't come from having everything you want in the world, but to share a life with another person, and making the best out of what they can get.
So yea. That was the first episode at least [of Interdimesional Cable].
The video is making the assertion that it's not a good episode because it doesn't follow the hero's journey, not Dan Harmon himself.
@@mandarinduck no dan harmon said that they're expanding on why he said that.
@@Mabasei 0:22 He says "I think ..." as in Media Muse thinks. He's drawing this conclusion from Dan Harmon not liking the episode and what he observes as a failing to meaningfully follow the hero's journey, which Harmon adheres to greatly, but Harmon doesn't say so himself.
After Season 5 episode 4:
A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ENTERED
Hold up…
Vindicators
Dragon
Sperm Monsters
All episode four. All the writers’ least favourites (and a lot of fans).
Do they put their least fav episode in the number four spot?
I guess it's a good place to put the episodes that are the weakest link in the season, like how albums generally won't put the weakest songs as the first tracks or the closer, but somewhere in the middle. And if it's going to the middle better to put in in the earlier part of it so it's more forgetten about by the end.
Would be ironic if the 4th episode of Season 6 was actually a good episode.
@SomeBuddy Hehe nice
@@xiuwalker Yeah true tbh, and 5 is generally good so really you forget about 4.
@@crispybutterbiscuit6302 Woahh that would be awesome tbf, but now I know to defo manage my expectations for future episode fours lol (tbf I tend to enjoy even the weakest episodes of Rick and Morty more than most shows)
My problem with the Vindicators is that we don’t really know much about them and that Rick just made very basic observations about them. Saying “that’s cliched” isn’t a joke, and you have to go beyond that to make it funny, especially with how defeatist Morty was in this episode.
THey're your regualr batmans and supermans...they all have the same story and they're nothing special...that was rick's point using the vindicators as stand ins...
Mutsu Hanma That’s still not a joke, that’s a very basic observation. A comedy has to do more than just state the obvious. That’s like instead of thinking outside of the box, the writers point out that they’re in a box and stop at that.
Aaron Landry that is a joke, it’s called satire. It’s making fun of how people are praising all these super hero movies when they’re all basically the same.
ZimtikiBar That’s not satirizing superheros, that’s a stale observation about superheros. An observation is not a joke. A comedian’s job is to think outside of the box, not acknowledge that they’re in a box and do nothing else.
Aaron Landry you realize that satire is comedy based on observation?
I think I hated this episode because we spend 90% of it with characters that absolutely suck from start to finish. But Rick just thrashing and killing them didn't give me satisfaction either. So it had nothing going on for me.
PaulThePuppeteer yeah we didn't really have any strong feelings for them so the downfall was neither shocking nor particularly satisfying. I'm also not too fond of the stories that are based on Rick basically being a god who controls everything and can't be stopped.
Hear, hear!
Which is ironic because the whole show is basically a deconstruction of that kind of person
The only part I liked was the ride
pancakes you mean some grown men who wish they were Rick but are Jerry’s
Honestly even it’s the worst episode, still not bad honestly.
Anatomy perk the worst
Wowhow Bizarre honestly honestly honestly
Wowhow Bizarre honestly honestly honestly
Vindicators was a good episode.
The Gazorpazorp mess was by far the worst.
Nah it's not too bad. It's not my favorite, but the worst Rick and Morty episode is still better than most shows regular episodes
He should watch the new one with the giant sperm if he thinks the vindicators are bad......
I thought the twist was more that this was all leading to Rick being jealous of Morty's infatuation for the Vindicators, that he secretly holds a grudge towards them because he wants to be the most important thing in Morty's life (and the whole family, except Jerry), as Rick would tell while being black out drunk, but then it's revealed he made all of this to tell his true feelings to Noob Noob. That was the punchline. I thought it was a great episode, a kind of deconstruction of all these Marvel/DC team up movies.
I think calling this episode a deconstruction is giving it a little too much credit.
Watchmen is a deconstruction. Maybe even Unbreakable. This episode was just a piss-take.
Then at the end of the episode Rick was like "Who the fuck is Noob Noob?" The way Morty looked at him. Lol
I enjoyed the punchline, but the rest of the episode is just a cheap parody. It's like "Superhero movie (2008)" but with better writing. A superhero parody is not really a novel idea at this point.
Y'all do realize that the platform was meant to detect the wrong person and kill them all right? That means one of two things: either Rick lied, and/or didn't set the platform up correctly, or two, he made Morty the right person.
So maybe he couldn't say it to Morty seriously, but if he said it to "Noob Noob" instead, he would be able to say what he really wanted to say to Morty.
Hafa Ball I didn't feel like it was making a witty critique on the superhero genre, I just felt like it flat out shat all over it for its typical conventions instead of looking for real flaws. Conventions and general cliches are in every genre, Rick and Morty uses them as well... it was a good idea, but pretty badly executed...
I liked this episode, mostly for the drunk rick antics.
But the party thing... Not so much the party itself as we all know Rick likes a good party but that whole dabbing ruined it.
Agreed. Like even "least good" is still pretty damn fun.
“This is the worst episode in the whole show.”
Tell that to Season 5 Episode 4…
Personally I like the episode since I think the whole episode was a jab at the superhero genre itself. It's unrealistic to believe heroes aren't human in some way and real heroes don't wear jackets or sign autographs. Morty is the typical fan that wants to emulate his favorite superhero team but he has to learn that no one person or team are without their flaws and that can be an unsatisfying lesson to learn.
I'm more interested in the journey Rick takes throughout this episode. First he's totally annoyed at this idea of being with this group again, even more annoyed at Morty's idolatry of them and becomes so hurt by Morty's declaration of the Vindicators as his heros that he goes off and gets totally drunk. It's interesting to me that we see Rick act out because he deeply wants Morty to value him.
As Morty solves trap after trap, suddenly Rick starts to see just how much crap Morty has had to deal with because of Rick and it gives him a moment to realize that in truth it is Rick that would be lost without Morty.
To me the only unsatisfying part were the things that went unsaid. Morty never tells Rick that he values Rick as his grandfather and Morty is unable to see Rick's drunken actions as being a cry for love, not to NoobNoob whom Rick doesn't remember afterwards, but to his grandson, his partner, Morty.
But life is like that, not full of heroes and villains, just people trying to make sense of it all.
The anti-hero shit made it bad.
I feel like Rick prefered Morty to laugh at his jokes over Noob Noob. Lol
The problem with the idea of depicting heroes as flawed people is that this episode depicts the Vindicators not as flawed people, but as a bunch of violent horrible idiots. The actual superhero movies on the market do a better job depicting heroes as flawed people.
@@dragonstormx Yeah, exactly. A lot of stories like these make their heroes "flawed" by turning them into complete utter assholes. That's not what 'flawed' exactly means
@@JackClockerinos Hence why attempts to "deconstruct" superheroes by depicting them all as horrible people don't work. It makes you wonder what the writer's idea of "realistic" people are if their attempts involve making all superheroes violent murderers and/or racist, sexist jerks.
He dislikes the episode? God daaaamn
I am Alive Thanks, Noob Noob. This guy gets it
😂😂
Prob left a dislike on this video as well
No he doesn't, that audio of him was from an improv sketch he was doing on his podcast, it was a joke.
This guy gets it
This episode gave us one of the best throw away lines of all time!
"I never forget a kid, now lets go do Vindicators 3!"
"Did he say Vindicators 3?"
"Did he say he never forgets a kid?" Lol
there are so so many genius lines in this episode
My favourite joke was at the end where logic is rapping and the lyrics go ‘noob noob. His dick gets more business than you you’ it’s so catchy
Honestly I do really like anticlimactic storytelling where the point is really to assure the audience and the characters of what they already knew, but in a way where no one learns anything at all. It’s satisfying when Rick walks away from the consequences of his action because we knew there wasn’t any chance he was going to become a better person anyways. It’s cynical but it feels more genuine then giving everyone positive character development every single episode.
Who else is here after the carnivorous sperm episode...
Lots of people seem to say that Pickle Rick was the worst episode just so they can distantiate themselves from the meme
Wulbulbul Lubbubwublub Pickle Rick was one of the best
The meme is getting out of hand though
I honestly did not like the episode ..the Rick turning into a pickle was funny as fuck XD but the rest of the episode had a lot less dialog and a fuck ton of Rick killing.
Just my opinion :P
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The thing is that no one ever told him. It's funny how the seemingly spineless psychologist suddenly rips him apart while keeping that weird voice. Also, there's action and jokes about eating poop.
shockwaverobo
And I don't say it's immune to criticism. It just seems weird how it has a really high score on IMDB but now seems to have all these ''haters''.
this was a well constructed video, i enjoy your work.
^I guarantee this is some 10 year-old kid
Abigayle Paige u
Abigayle Paige the season finale was the worst
Nah I liked the Finale, ha. I think the worst one is when rick just abandons the other earth after pretty much fecking it up. That is the worst for me. Made Rick look like a clutz and really selfish. Since he fecks up a second time. It would have been better if they had just faked Morty's Death. Then everyone went back to normal. I mean it is a good episode and by not doing it the way they did, it would of ruined the rest of the season, but at the same time it kind of made rick look more like a super villain. So to me it was still the worst episode, they could of left that timeline for another reason like it was the only way to reverse the virus after they faked his death because it felt like a massive flaw in Ricks character. After this Ricks character seem to get worse and worse, almost like they are trying to see how evil they can make Rick while people still like him. Ha.
Abigayle Paige tru
I’m assuming this was before they finished the morty gets a dragon episode
Actually that's one of my favorite episodes. 😅
...cool?
@@TheScrubmuffin69
Yeah
Very cool! It's a good episode
probably cause it's a funny ass episode
@@TheScrubmuffin69 the entire subject of the video is about how the creator see this as the worst episode, so someone saying it's their favorite is kind of a relevant topic, right?
No need to be a dick about it
I didn't have a problem with any of this, really. Not every episode has to be structured exactly the same, because then it truly does become predictable. The end was subjective in leaving the audience to wonder if it really was Noob Noob Rick made that ride for, or Morty, revealing a deeper attachment to him than the audience thought. It was also the first time Rick was in a situation where he had to react and perceive his drunk self as he appeared on camera, which is something he's never done before. I thought it was all very entertaining. This is why I'm happy to not be a creator of the things I love. I'm not anal about it, I can take it as I see it.
The story telling template doesn't make anything predictable. Even when you know it, it'll surprise you. It includes the steps to making a story believable and suck you into its world.
It's pretty explicitly for Noob Noob.
There is that whole plot hole that everyone is forgetting... that Rick planned a huge after party where he invited Beth, Summer, and other supposed friends/acquaintances. If the Vindicators had gotten the answer wrong, or had just failed any of the challenges (how were they going to guess Israel when they'd never heard of it?) then the neutrino bombs would have killed everyone, including Beth and Summer. It makes absolutely no sense for Rick to do that.
We also know that Rick and Morty weren't supposed to even go on the adventure, as seen when Rick reaches into his lab coat to get the portal gun and leave, only to realize "Shit..." it's not there. This would mean that he was willing to gamble the lives of everyone he knew except Morty on the Vindicators solving all his puzzles. Not only is the episode poorly paced, it doesn't even make sense.
"If it really was Noob Noob Rick made the ride for???" Are you being serious?? If you missed that then you need to go back and watch it 10x over in order for you to get that one..
I gotta disagree with Dan on this, I LOVE that episode. It was insanity and hilarious. Fantastic video, by the way!
I didn't realize so many people hated this episode. I love it
Best line in this episode. "Morty you might want to freeze some sperm." Lol
I fucking LOVED this episode, it cut the shit, it SHOWED how fucking much morty has changed, because morty doesn't NEED a hero's journey so many times that he's simply deadened to the hopelessness and horror of his own life, especially after rick has fucked EVERYTHING in his life.
This episode is the antithesis of any structure we thought the episode would take, especially with that bait and switch at the end.
I think this episode is an absolutely BRILLIANT way of showing that rick still makes the decision to get black out drunk and ruin everything for morty, instead of acting like a real fucking adult and learning how to actually be a good fucking grandfather after the literal INFINITE amount of chances ricks have to be good grandfathers.
tacosHELLYEAH one of the best comments Ive seen in awhile
Yeah this video dumb as shit
to be fair you have to have a very high iq to understand vindicators 3
got daaaamn
I liked the episode. Not everything has to follow the hero's journey pattern.
I agree with this. If every story follows the same journey, they do get a bit predictable. Now what I like is not having to hear some stupid fking origin story about these heroes. You just kind of accept that they are the "Justice League" or "Avengers" of Rick and Morty. I also love how they are fallible to the point of where they actually kill each other and all because Rick is so smart that if you take away his discretion, he completely ruins the Vindicators. Rick isn't a good guy and that's why this works. And just when you think that he's going to show that he really does care about Morty on some level in this particular episode, he doesn't. It's predictable to some degree, but it's awesome still. It shows that what Morty lacks in scientific intelligence in this show, he makes up for by being able to mostly read Rick.
Mercury 39 lots of people like it so fuck off
Mercury 39 - I can't find it 🔎🔎
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Obviously you aren't a fan of comics, and that's fine, but vindicators makes fun of the Guardians of the Galaxy. Not avengers or Justice League. Those teams are too big. And we can all see who each guardian matches with the othet
Mercury 39 yeah i agree man and i think every episode of rick and morty needs to follow this story structure always if he didnt it will feel like a episode of full house with aliens and s**t
The dialogue and banter in this episode was fucking hilarious. Screw writing techniques this episode made me laugh.
“Million ants everybody with the power of TWO human eyes! Hey remember when Alan wanted to use a ghost train?”
Probably because he hasn't watched season 5 yet
I actually loved this episode. Aside from the structure, I enjoyed seeing Morty's progression as a character. I liked seeing the Morty that knew and understood Rick (well, his sarcasm anyway). 3 seasons, I think it'd be the biggest middle finger to have Morty be just as dumb and naive about Rick as when the series started... Especially since the "hero's journey" requires the character learning something. This is just my opinion of course.
Hobby Jumpers I agree. I liked the fact that Morty was showing how his time with Rick changed him. I can also see why Dan doesn't like the episode also. I enjoyed it, especially Noob Noob.
It was just filler, and he knows it.
Marik D. Hammerhead Red they focused too much on how they were gonna include Christian Slater and logic
Lol filler but all the vindicators got wiped out and now they really can't do any more vindicators storylines
madhatten00 the cosmic Quine is alice
Marik D. Hammerhead Red Every episode is filler. It's not a mainly story based show LMFAO.
TechnoWomper it's starting to be story-based
Where was the original quote from? I Keep hearing people reference it, but I've never been able to find footage of it.
has he seen season 5?
@Feed me youre out of ur mind
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I do agree with the episode being arguably and justifiably the worst in this season, however still not a bad episode, arguably the worst, but that doesn't making it in a negative way, just held lower than the rest.
I thought it was ok. But i didn't like ABCs of Beth.
no, its bad
I hated the finale.
Can u rick n morty fans just admit that its the worst
I'd say vindicator a has the worst charecter writing of the series
I don't believe stories should always follow the same template, that would be boring .
jekanyika I agree. Same goes for shows that have to be smart and emotional rather than just be entertaining (to a certain extent) or how certain shows should have emotional and/or cliffhanger season finales.
Hero's Journey is actually a very common screenwriting blueprint in Hollywood, but yeah you are very right
I agree, what if you want to edit your movie some untraditional like Memento? (except if you only do it to be artsy or to copy other movies).
Also, I don't remember that well, but I don't think that The Ricklantis Mixup followed The Hero's Journey (I remember it having several storylines and also a twist at the end), it has been the most lauded Rick and Morty episode to this day, by both fans and critics, having almost a solid 10 on review sites.
Well, to be fair, it seems that all the other episodes follow the same template, and they're not boring; you don't even notice they follow the same pattern unless you think about it.
Funny how this episode made me laugh the most
Ikr???
This was before before Season 5 episode 4....
It's just a good old rick and morty adventure
Dose Cacius ya
It couldn't be further from it
The episode seemed fine when I was high.
David S. Target audience here guys
I was sober when I saw it, and I liked it too. Great episode.
That's why they make the show. It's for stoners.
Stop showing off your drug habits like it's something to be proud of ..
It seemed good when I was drunk
this is one of the better episodes, dont know what hes talking about. theres been a lot of actual stinkers lately that he should be more concerned with
Yeah watching this after the sperm episode makes it look pretty good
"Too many Rick! Too many!" is still my favorite line of the season
And also Hawaii
At least logic was in this episode
Bryce Russ that’s what made it bad
Thats why he hated it
Logic at the end made the episode go from a 6/10 to a 2/10
Billy Wintergreen fuck is wrong with you?
Bryce Russ but don't let that distract you from the fact that Logic is biracial.
Perhaps it didt "fit" the frame thats idealized but thats part of what makes rick and morty so great, it breaks the mold of what we're used and give us a fresh perspective amongst mountains of cookie cutter, generic plot shows.
I thought this was perhaps no 'Pickle Rick' but a great episode none the less
Agreed. Theres no reason every single episode needs to have a hero's journey
The over the top cynical nature of the episode is awesome
I actually liked this episode though.
onee was good but is not one of the best ones
onee any Rick and Morty is good Rick and Morty.
Yes, for me it really stood out and I'll always love it as one of the best rick and morty episodes.
That guy is obviously a troll. Don't bite.
I thought it was perfect! Who needs guidelines?
I thought this episode was actually pretty good because it broke that typical "Hero's Journey" cycle we see. With Morty going on so many of them, obviously he would lose his naïveté at some point and this seems like it's just Morty's overarching character growing more and more sick of Rick's shit. He gets that Rick is the smartest person in the universe and that things like superheroes are probably overrated, but he wants to hang on to sentiments like it because they're fun and hopeful. But incidents like these where Morty quickly gives up on those ideas don't show him "changing" mid episode in my opinion, rather just reluctantly putting down the facade. He's done this song and dance so many times with Rick that by the time he realizes Rick has set up this game to knock the Vindicators of their pedestal he's already resigned himself to what he knows is the inevitable outcome. His boredom with Rick's constant reckless use of his intellect is only natural and shows Morty growing as his own independent character
I think that might be part of the reason why I thought this episode was probably one of the better ones this season: you actually see Morty grow as a character.
Yeah I think it's great to not always follow the cycle. I liked the Vindicators episode and I think breaking the cycle once in a while isn't a bad thing.
Ninja Bacon I agree that it's good to see Morty grow as a character, but I think that could've been achieved while still sticking to the Hero arc (so Rick would still be annoying, but in the end, he is also a little bit wrong). I mean, the morty growth (ew lol) wasn't enough to make the episode entertaining. The other characters were still boring and seemed more like an excuse to shit on superhero movies (which isn't any more interesting than the movies themselves). However, if Rick eventually saw that the heroes, while very imperfect, could in fact achieve a little change in their corner of the universe, that would've been a surprising turn for ricks character. I dunno, in the past, Rick and morty has balanced between cynicism and challenging that very same cynicism, but these days, it's pretty much just cynicism. And they're justifying it using intelligence. To me, that's just lazy. Anyways, that's just my two cents. I am glad you pointed out the change in Morty's character. Before I read your comment, I didn't fully notice it happening.
(Also, you said it's good to break the typical story structure every once in awhile. I agree, but in this case, I think the story structure would've worked better)
Exactly him realizing that early made the episode for me.
Maybe that’s how we got evil Morty?
This was short, sweet, and to the point. Absolutely no fluff. I applaud you, my good sir. You have earned my Subscription.
Where is that audio from Dan Harmon at the beginning from?
I actually really like this episode but shit you convince me
I get what you mean. a person can really deconstruct what an episode is about and make you realize on a level of deeper writing its just not that good. which can making liking something hard after words once everthing makes sense. though this means one good thing about people like us and thats that we arent just fanboys who want to like everything.
I actually liked how the characters actions had less and less impact on the outcome of their own existence as the episode went along.
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I enjoyed the episode, just because it was a good thing to just mindlessly watch :D
I think in an effort to get Justin drunk off his ass, the story part of the episode took a back seat.
It’s important to remember that the build up to the episode was full of promotion that billed it as essentially a pointless avengers styled event with world ended being the biggest baddest baddie ever to exist.
So it’s entirely possible that Dan Harmon’s criticism was essentially just more of that.
You know the series is in good hands, when he thinks this Episode is BAD. Looking at you D&D Got Season 8 ;)
Dungeons & Dragons?
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Dungeons, Dungeons and more Dungeons.
If you get it, you're amazing.
D&d woyld never admit that they ever made any mistake because theyre perfect
LOL
CRROSS gravity falls
Oh my gosh I noticed that Bonobo Noctuary insert in a heartbeat around 1:00. I love that song.
I'd say this episode doesn't stand on it's own as well as some of the other episodes, but it adds some critical character development.
We know Rick is super smart and hates himself.
We know that Morty has gotten wise to how terrible Rick's behavior is.
But I think this is the first time Rick really sees how disillusioned in Rick Morty has become as a result of his actions.
I like how the show is always world building without us there, it's not neat and tidy episodic. Morty has disabled "too many!" neutrino bombs, and Rick gets high-rolled most of this episode. It's fun, it does break the typical story arc, but sometimes changing it up is satisfying so we're not fatigued with a predictable story telling model. I don't know, for me it breaks up the monotony(something rick seems desperate to do in his self awareness that he's on a show)
This is basically just saying that because there's no plot twist, it's a worse episode. Plot twists are overrated and overdone.
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@@Isaax oh god
@Nigga-San precisely
hey guys i realy want to know what music is at 1:00 ?
What I liked about the vindicators episode was how it demonstrated Morty's increase in confidence in dealing with Rick's dangerous traps. It shows a great continuity to demonstrate that Morty can defuse neutrino bombs from having to do it so often.
toastedbagels first episode of the show he has to disarm a bomb.
@@COOLMCDEN yes that is why there is good continuity.
@@gravity111587 I don't like the theories that say that not every episode is the same Rick and Morty that's just complicating things for no reason.
@@COOLMCDEN Oh yea, did anyone say that in this thread? Because your first response to me seemed a little out of left field implying you didn't really understand me. Now I am getting the same feeling about this message. Either you are not understanding what I am saying at all, or you just like to throw out random unrelated thoughts that you have.
@@gravity111587 The idea of every episode not having the same Rick and Morty ruins the continuity imo. Probably should have elaborated more my bad.
The episode was boring to me, it seem more like a jab at modern hero worship then a real well constructed metaphor that comic book heroes have problem beyond saving lives and fighting crime. It Morty was basically useless and rick weird jealousy/hatred that he gets for Morty attention should of been the focus not the vindicators. If anything this could have been a nice parallel to the killing joke that could of shown the heroes going crazy instead of them already being "evil" to begin with.
Stephen Richardson exactly
Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon are a perfect duo for this show. Justan's desire for short-sighted humor and great comedy combined with Dan Harmon's desire for a very well thought-out story are combined perfectly in this show.
Never watched your channel before. I feel like it was five minutes well spent and I learnt something about storytelling, thanks.
I think it was cool to see Morty be successful at something for once like controlling his crazy Grandpa
Then how does tho Morty's mindblowers episode follow the heroes journey?
JRussoC
It doesn't it's cheap filler that actually potentially creates plotholes
Dangshnizzle Morty just had to go and fuck with squirrels! Now we have no idea what's going on!
its just a substitute for interdimensional cable
Exactly.
Morty's Mindblowers also happens to be the only episode this season on which Dan Harmon has a writing credit
A good video. No tedious, long introduction, no clickbait bs, concise and well explained. Good job, Media Muse.
The expression, "It's the worst" is to informally say that something is very bad, but not necessarily an absolute indicator of actual comparative ranking. 👉
This is especially the case when the phrase is not immediately followed by a specificity like 'episode'.
High IQ individual right here.
I liked this episode. There's definitely worse rick and morty episodes out there
Sarah Walter the ABC’s of Beth
Bitch, where
Where lmao
This was one of my favorite episodes actually. It had a lot of the funniest scenes that have ever come out of this series IE the "Ooooh gotta be real on alert.. fuckin high alert over here," NoobNoob, and the "Aloha" scene. It was very character-development-centralized which is the strongest point this series provides. It wasn't very good story-wise, but I don't think that matters too much to a comedy.
lmao that high alert shit had me and my wife rollin it was great
Just watched that IMDb interview where Dan addresses this video and says he actually really likes this episode.
I dunno, it seems to fit the formula pretty well. Maybe the beats I picked up are off, but going by the story of Vindicators 3.
1. The hero is in 'comfort', helping Rick clean up an adventure or mess.
2. The hero wants something; Morty cashes in on the free adventure to join the Vindicators.
3. The hero enters an unfamiliar situation and embarks on a new adventure with said vindicators and pissy grandpa after finding out the group went off on adventures without him because of his pissy grandpa.
4. Adaptation; dealing with adventure and pissy grandpa while trying to maintain decorum between the two parties.
5. Get what they want, Vindicator adventure happens until they find what Rick did.
6. Heavy price, said pissy grandpa ruins the entire thing and gets Morty's dream team killed in supervillain fashion.
7. Return to the familiar situation. Morty, just like in the beginning, is once again helping clean up his grandpas mess.
8. The shrine to Noob Noob solidifies the idea in Morty's mind that his grandfather cares so little about him and so much more about being right and being a sore loser that he would literally risk everyone's lives to prove that lines of morality are grey and people are grey, but not even to prove it to his grandson, but to someone he just met with no connection other than thinking a joke he made was funny. Then, at the end of it all during what should've been a celebratory moment of getting out of nearly dying once again, the crushing reality that his grandfather, the architect of his recent traumatic experience, can't even remember who he did it for.
Now, idk about you, but that would change me forever.
Also it was good episode because even though Rick was plastered all over it, the episode itself was more about Morty and those are always good episodes.
Love that Bonobo undersong during Harmons interview
Max Fritze what's the tracks name?
I KNEW IT TOO!!!
what interview was this?
That's the only reason I bothered to upvote this video lol. The video wasn't bad, but Bonobo is amazing.
Hey look at me, I recognized a song
No, I think that was a joke from harmon town dude.
what if rick wanted to put morty in. but at end he says noobnoob just to throw morty off. we all know he hide his feelings.
what if it was all planned. alllllll planned
No. The whole speech he gives is clearly in reference to him
That sperm shit the episode now has the crown of the worst episode ever.