Dr. Shabir Ally Reviews Robert Spencer's "Did Muhammad Exist?"
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- Dr. Shabir Ally reviews Robers Spencer's book "Did Muhammad Exist?" Dr. Shabir demonstrates the numerous inaccuracies and flaws present in the book.
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I would love to see Dr Shabir Ally and Robert Spencer go head 2 head in a debate. Dr Ally is most definitely up to the challenge, unlike Anjem Choudary and other lunatics who get all the press from the Western media.
“first of all every Muslim knows Muhammad existed”
(First point this Muslim scholar makes-Quote)
Spencer is an interesting character. He can write that Islam is a Polytheist religion and still be able to sell books n make profits.
I am not a muslim but I think Muhammad did exist, we have too many references to him and things that he did.
I want to agree with you but Spencer's argument seems to be very compelling. I heard him debate it twice and his opponents couldn't do anything with the actual evidence he presented. Mr. Ally takes the same approach. He cites the consensus but he doesn't satisfactorily address the evidence. Muslims circulate Christian money to appease Christians? Unless the modern Muslim view of Christians and the Bible has significantly changed from early Islam, this is just an untenable position. I also heard a Spencer opponent claim that Muslims minted the coins to antagonize Christians and prove that they had control. This is also a ludicrous position knowing that Muslims believe that Jesus will come back and break all the crosses. The cross is an offense to Islam. Muslims minting coins with crosses would be like Christians minting coins with surah 4:157 printed on them.
The Islamic sources are not accurate or reliable. Muslims even deny certain hadith in Bukhari and Muslim when these things show the "prophet" in a negative or embarrassing light. Muslims often say that the biographies of Muhammad such as Ibn Ishaq's work can't be relied on. So what is Muhammad's historicity based on? Disputable hadith and contested Sirat? Secularly-attested history doesn't show anything regarding Muhammad or his status as a prophet before 690 A.D. Perhaps that may change in the future but not at the moment.
***** Is it not a severe heretical view to deny the hadith and sun a of Muhammad? Shabir Ally himself would deny your claim.
Secondly, without hadith and sunna, the Quran has no context. The Quran has no history if its origin or the man who it was supposedly revealed to. The Quran contains a number of incomprehensible verses without the explanations from hadith.
The Quran also says you have an excellent model to follow in Muhammad. Buy like you said, the Quran says nothing about him. So without hadith, you have no knowledge of ANYTHING REGARDING THE PERSON OF MUHAMMAD.
Without hadith, Islam is an utter mystery without a single manuscript page dating to within 150 years of Muhammad.
Secular history paints a much different history of Islam than the hadiths do.
In fact, you couldn't even know if the so-called.prophet of Islam was actually named Muhammad except for the hadith. Muhammad, the praised one, could be a title speaking of someone else.
Please explain how Islam is.a valid religion without the sunna and hadith of Muhammad.
***** LOL, sorry!
However, though religion is ultimately based on faith (though Judaism and Christianity definitely have roots in historical times and events in history), Islam puts itself in a very unique position where it claims its heritage and lineage through the existing Jewish and Christian scriptures - the Bible. Islam makes a number of claims about confirming the Bible which are obviously untrue.
Islam wants to share in the heritage of the Biblical prophets and God's chosen people but Islam simultaneously disavows the teachings of the Biblical prophets and denies God's chosen people. Islam wants to have its cake and eat it too.
Islam has no miracles or corroborating history to confirm it besides the hadith which we agree are quite spurious and weak. Islam tries to piggyback off the Biblical prophecies and message. But since Islam appeals to the Biblical prophets and scriptures, it leaves itself in a place where it easily shown to be self-contradictory. In cases like this, Islam ends up counting itself out of the running for truth claims when it doesn't meet the standard it boldly claims to.
***** Agreed and well-said.
Robert Spencer Islam modern day Abu Jahal and Sorbert is Abu Lahab.
***** Exactly bro. Well said. Religion can not stand up to facts. We need to start going after all the organized religion these days, bring them down like were doing to Christianity.
+Eashoa Msheekha I think maybe the term clown would be better used, spencer is a clown..his research is meant to be funny and entertaining. He claims Muhammad did not exist only to be funny. yup.
HardRockHallelujah Sebieus, a 7th century Roman historian reported about Our prophete PBUH and about his life within 3 decades after the death of the prophète
If Islam began in 610 AD with the first Mosque being built around 624 AD, how do you explain that for the first 100 years afterwards that all Mosques were built to face Petra and not Mecca? Could it be because Petra was the epicentre of trade in that area? If that was the case, what was the significance of Mecca at that time?
No they were facing Petra. Jerusalem is not even mentioned in the Quran. Petra was on the trade route, which is the more likely location for the mosques to face
@@maplesyrup59 I can provide you some sources that debunk the Petra claims. From David King to others. Respond to this comment so I may know that you're still active because your comment is 6 years old.
this only proves one thing that all the stories of Mohammed come from second hand sources with vested interests
Sadly, I agree.
Exactly
If it was me I would be sad I wouldn't won't it to be true but they evident says it is
There are several chains of narration going to him. Non Islamic historical evidence is also there. You guys are being extremely comical when you say this. Absurd ...
He still has not made a compelling argument in favor of Muhammad.
IF PROPHET MOHAMMED SAW DIDNT EXIST
THEN WHY IS MOHAMMED GRAVE IN MEDÍNA ⚰️
YOU CAN EVEN SEE IT FOR YOURSELF
Heraclius
Byzantine Emperor
DescriptionHeraclius was the Emperor of the Byzantine Empire from 610 to 641. His rise to power began in 608, when he and his father, Heraclius the Elder, the exarch of Africa, led a revolt against the unpopular usurper Phocas. Heraclius's reign was marked by several military campaigns.
Born: Cappadocia, Turkey
Died: February 11, 641 AD, Constantinople
Full name: Flavius Heraclius
Reign: October 5, 610 - February 11, 641
Children: Constantine III, Heraklonas, John Athalarichos, Eudoxia Epiphania, Martinus, more
Spouse: Martina (m. 613 AD), Fabia Eudokia (m. 610 AD)
IF MOHAMMED DIDNT EXIST WHY DID EMPEROR HERACLIUS WANT MOHAMMED DEAD AND WHY DID HERACLIUS FIGHT MUSLIMS 600 CENTURY
PROOF ISLAM BEFORE 800 I REFUTED ROBERT SPENCER FAKE CLAIM
Heraclius - Wikipedia
heraclius muhammad from en.m.wikipedia.org
Purported letter sent by Muhammad to Heraclius , emperor of Byzantium; reproduction ...
Reign: October 5, 610 - February 11, 641
AND KHALID IBN WALID WAS GRANTED THE SWORD OF GOD BY MOHAMMED KHALID GRAVE AND SWORD IS IN MEDÍNA ⚰️🗡
Precisely. At best some Warlord existed who was called Mohamet. A title, such as a King. Can't even find the term "Muslim" or "Islam" until the 8th century. Can't find any biographical information on Muhammad until Ibn Hisham writing in 834. Muhammad death is reported to be 632CE. You can see the problem.
@@Vedioviswritingservice what about his grave his hair and his equipment preserved?.
Cyric London The oldest known Quran, held by the University of Birmingham, was radiocarbon dated to between 568 and 645 CE. Mate I think you’ve got a problem now
because it's very easy to make a grave and write something on it@@MO-kc7th
Christian: Oh, no. We are unable to prove that Muhammad was wrong.
Spencer: ok. I have an idea. I would try to prove that he never existed.
Christians: oh son Jesus would be pleased with you. God bless you.
What about how they mohammad never leave the continent so there for his view on religion is only on certain arabic mannor. For example fasting started from dawn to evening, but he never went place where "daytime" Is 22 hours long. Such as Finland Denmark Sweden. How about "him" taking salah comandement and went to space without certaint suit and without knowing there's no air in space, and only use horse looking creature (buraq). Senseless. Why heaven standard also using virgin as the rewards. So many surah said that. Wait.. I think Islam is only for people who live in desert, since the Quran and his teachings only use Arabs standart not human being standard.
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Mohammad even if he existed was a proven pervert and lunatic
Lol are you kiddin about christian cant prove muhammad & guran was wrong ? There are many proof , but you all denied
Did Mohammad ever existed?
Do we need 14 minutes to respond to an idiot? Muhammad is a historical figure, Muhammad had children and grand children, Muhammad's burial place is known, the first crusade was conducted by people who were his companions, life in Mecca and Medina totally revolved around Muhammad for 23 years. If these people have doubts about the life of Jesus or are suggesting he never existed, they'll make fools of themselves trying to do the same with Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).
I bet you just got half of that information of Muhammed ( Shit be upon him) from the koran, which is historically highly probable to be a fable. And you really don't think that Muhammed (Gay transvestite sucking his two-incher be upon him) could've had a grave made.. C'mon man ..
***** Adam told you that there is a blood line for Muhammad that can be traced till today since the prophet had children. And they even have his burial site. So obviously there is evidence.
***** There is many ways to ans that, however the framework of what your saying doesn't hold up. So lets talk about that first..Karl Marx, Napoleon and Machiavelli all had biographies made of them, but only after their death. Now unlike them..Muhammad's era was 1000 years before. So its only seems logical that a biography would be made waaay later. It's not like today or not even 400 years ago..where talking nearly 1500 years ago. I'm surprised it didn't take double the time for the first biography to come out..like 300 years later or something. 150 is real short. I'm sure I can find earlier mentions than Spencer, but going by Spencer..if Mohammad is mentioned as a prophet as early as 690..than that's super early. It's not like they were writing books or magazines or some shit during his life time.
***** Wait a second...your trying to make comparisons between biographies of Christianity and Islam. Again the framework of this won't work. But I'll leave all that aside for now. Let's talk about the NT...I thought it began in 50 Ad and Ended in 150 ad. But it turns out that your saying it started 20 years later..70 AD, And there you go..it finished in 150 ad. That alone is similar to your Abraham Lincon example. Like I said there was many ways to ans your first question..but I choose to leave the NT out of it. But if you wan't to bring it up..Western Culture had advanced to a certain degree, that allowed them to start working on the bible 70 years after death of Jesus and well it took over a century to complete it. Meanwhile the Arabs were far less advanced, poorer and illiterate. It would have taken them a lot longer to write a biography; 150 years is a miracle in itself. Then you have to take into consideration that it took just as long to finish the New Testament (150 years exactly).
***** No you have a double standard. I said the opposite of that.. The examples that you bring up are counter to your core point. You say "Imagine if it took 150 years for the first Abraham Lincon biography to come out". Well..that's the story of the New Testament Bible right there.; for an example you made a poor choice of words. It goes to the opposite of what your trying to prove. Now...you want to break with that established history and say the bible was finished earlier, because "1800-1900s by extremely radical scholars" got the original date wrong. Okay so we have 200-300 years of established history that the Bible was completed in 150 AD. You want to change that??? Alright man...I will give you whatever date you wish to create. You say in your example first...125 ad...then....96ad..95ad...alright sure no problem. Lets make it 89ad or 88ad..(Remember I used to think it was 50ad) It still doesn't matter..it took time...Way after his death. Things move at a slower pace back then. Printing press itself was not invented until 1040's and that was in China (far away from the west). So it's no wonder it took a while for the bible to be finished or the biography for Mohamed. And I didn't say they were stupid either (this only shows that your a bigot at heart) I said they were poor and illiterate (which is a simple fact). But that was pretty much normal for their area of the world. Obviously the Arab places then became higher up in technology than lets say aboriginals in Australia, America, Africa etc (but that doesn't mean those other nations were "stupid" either)..different cultures just advance at different paces. Certain countries in the world today....still live the way people used to live back then; in tribes and in forests and jungles etc. That doesn't mean they are stupid. Don't be a bigot.
Is it because his teaching of the oneness of god and his figure+personality is so perfect so it's too good to be true there's someone like him exist?
The oneness of God originated from Judaism and was subsequently copied, as were other things.
@@stair99 Why he would declare oneness of God and call himself to hostility of people in a polytheistic society-which it was as now proved by little archeological works that are being done.
One simple answer ladies and gentlemen... His grave is at medina... Therefore yes... He exists
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You sure it's muhammad who's buried there? I mean, it could be someone else, who knows.
@أســامة القـيسي - Ibn Qayys can you prove to us he existed??
Looking at the cemetery doesn't mean the person in there was Mohammed, that's a claim not prove
@Ibn Al-Qayysi did Muhammed really split the moon in two? Did he really possess a flying horse?
@Ibn Al-Qayysi I like how muslim always say, this is a "Indisputable fact" while infact that is only the case to muslims because they believe everything the quran tells them. There is no proof, nobody ever heard of muhammed untill 200 years after his death. He does not exist. Quran was created for political reasons and it's still being used for that reason just like any other religion.
Very clear evidence of prophet Muhammad existence...His grave..
I have a grave of superman in my back yard.
LastTruth23 Yeah... you have santa living in the north pole...
Your kidding, right?
indeed. they make whole areas of study in Egypt ology with a lot less. if they want to deny, they will deny their own fathers. how can anyone believe that their father indeed is theirs? Maybe they have been changed at birth. So its very irrational how they think. If they used the same amount of criticism for their governments then the world would have been very different.
Christians like Robert Spencer are 'genius'- they tried everything to defame the last and the final messenger of Almighty Creator but have failed miserably. Frustrated, now they have come with a new idea of non-existence of Muhammad (PBUH).
" SEEING THEY SEE NOT, HEARING THEY HEAR NOT, NEITHER DO THEY UNDERSTAND"
+Eashoa Msheekha Spencer is a cartoon, his belief that Mohammed did no exisit, makes his beliefs the the equivalent of reading the funny section of a newspaper
+Ying Yang You are the Clown Prince of idiots if you think NoHamhead is a real character from history.
+Sir Sydney Roughdiamond actually Mohammed has a grave sight. The world is mostly aware of it so sooo......I think maybe you are a a clown and an idiot in one, no??
NOW I KNOW WHY ALLAH CREATED HELL FIRE
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"It's common knowledge that mohammed existed hi, hi, hi"
WOOOOOOW that's a hell of a proof.
Where did Dr. Shabir even say anything like this? What are you talking about??
Yes Prophet did exists because of Beliefs that overridden History & evidence. Jibril talks with Muslims about their Prophet. Non Muslims will not understand this deep knowledge.
@@parthasamanta5413
Common knowledge is NEVER proof of ANYTHING.
Once it was common knowledge that the earth was flat. HELLO!
I never said that mohamed did not exist.
Jibril talks with muslims??? That is something new. Do you have evidence for that "chit-chat"? Do YOU talk with Jibril??
"Non Muslims will not understand this deep knowledge."
This is not knowledge, this is faith.
When it was knowledge, EVERYBODY understands it.
He skipped the answer and said every Muslim knows that mohammed exists
Early Christian priests who specifically names the Prophet Muhammad(Peace and blessings be upon him)-
Syrian priest John of Damascus(676)
Bishop Sebeos of Bagratunis(died in 661)
I think Robert was a qadiani basically and choose some fake ideas about the last and final prophet of Allah SWT to spread his fake fame and knowledge - may Allah SWT safe Muslims from such an hypocrat and athiest - amen !
If Muhammad existed than it is more dangerous than he didn't existed because a man of such cruel behaviour can be beast only not human
I am a Christian but I love Shabbir. I am praying that God will show him the way.
He did show him. We pray that God also do the same for you. After all, there must be a reason why a Christian is watching an Islamic YT Channel.
Aameen. May Allah show him, you, me and everyone reading this the way to Him and guide us and keep us steadfast in the right path.
@@tyrellrivera I don't know about that because muslims are peppering christian channels. Just works both ways. =)
amin may He show us all guidance and forgive us our sins and reward our good deeds
@@moorooster223 you do know that all muslims go to hell and most will stay there according to islam. Just some will be chosen to get out of hell. Are you going to heaven or hell?
Mashaallah we are very happy we have someone as knowledgeable as Shabir
See CZcams CAESAR'S MESSIAH. Unfortunately Shabir isn't a patch on Al Fadi and Dr. Jay. He is completely outclassed by Al Fadi and Dr. Jay.
@Quack The Duck too bad that your question is ridiculous
If Prophet did not exist, no reason to be Muslim !! This is the reason of creation of a Prophet
so shabir couldn't refute spencer's argument that mohamed did not exist
The entire video refutes it... not to mention history itself. Thanks for watching.
Muhammad is more like a legend than a historical figure.
He is more real than you...
He totally side steps the topic and uses straw man techniques. Create a different topic and defeat it .
Well Shabir Ally did not refute anything. All he did is he repeated what Muslims have always said. He also said that the critical scholarship that does not agree with the Muslim story-line is fringe and thus cannot be trusted. He also pointed out to some other western scholars that agree with the Muslim traditional view. Actually, it is these scholars, who are simply regurgitating what Muslims say, that are in reality fringe and cannot be trusted. True scholarship must be critical and built on neutral sources. To just take uncritically the Muslim view (which is the very thing investigated here and is highly vested with interest) to somehow discredit the critical scholarship is nothing else that regurgitating the same Muslim story instead of really investigate it. Shabir Ally calls the critical scholarship "fringe." Why? Because it does not agree with the Muslim story. How convenient. He provides no proof that that the Muslim story is true and no proof that the critical scholarship is not true! By the way, we do need more "fringe" neutral scholarship to bust open the tight lid that, for hundreds of years of Islamic imperialism, was covering the actual history of Islam's beginning. It is just a matter of time and that will happen. It is hard to do an honest research and archaeology because all that area is under Muslim control.
Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Have thankfully lifted the smug lid of the Islam pressure-cooker with dates and hard facts that cannot be refuted easily. Want another essential read? Go to CZcams CAESAR'S MESSIAH . After this we can cancel the New Testament, Jesus and Mary and possibly seriously question the Quran also?
@@tonystakes6020 Hilarious.
He annihiliated the book.
The more critical of analysis that is made of Islam, the more it falls apart from historical records (Patricia Kronen - Meccan Trade), archaelogically (absence of Meccan artifacts which should be abundant according to SIN), geographically (Petra vs Mecca), scientifically (Qibla wall directions by century: 7th & 8th century pointing to Petra), SIN's 200yrs of oral history before first Quran in writing with known existing copies, at least 30 Arabic copies with of 9000 variations in use today, approxiamately 1/3 of Quran is traceable to 1st-5th century Aramaic Christian hymns, lecturaries (with known authors) and Jewish teachings, etc, etc.
If Mohammad, Moses, Jesus and Abraham existed, then so does Harry Potter.
@Antônio Abdallah He should fact check his claim about Jesus.
Whether mahamed was real or not I think we can all agree that Jesus is the BEST example for mankind and mehamed is NOT the best example for mankind. That's the most important thing to know because that is an important guidance. 🤗
Who is mahamed and mehamed?
@@MohammedAli-pr7hw the mahamed that shabir is talking about. I know muslims like to say that mahamed was their example, but I like Jesus as the Perfect and best example for mankind.
Some people are asking if Muhammad existed?
So Without existing he sent letters to Heraclius and met an Indian king.
Though as a Muslim I believe in Jesus but how a Christian can prove he existed.
Well there's zero evidence for that. That's precisely the point
As a muslim can you prove jesus existed
D.C.4life KING! Jesus wasn’t even the name of the blessed messiah son of Mary it’s a “ romanised” name given to the fake one that Christians believe in and solely derived from Zeus Jesus is Greco roman deity for Christmas nothing else Christians assimilated inherited and adopted many polytheist practices so Christian Jesus = Zeus
@@SuperYAS111 wowww... who is tell you about this?
The Biography of Prophet was written 125 years after his death which itself creates lots of myth and made up theories.
The Quran was written down with two years
That was my Question :)
It’s quite easy to proof if muhammad is exist, as the hadith naration is maintained from the shahabi to tabiin to tabiin tabiin , so there is continuity of scholar which can be proof connected to Muhammad SAW
The easy way to make money is to wright against Islam. Shabeer doing a great job.
I'm not Muslim, but I do largely agree with his ideas here. The only thing is that I find it odd to just flat-out believe that anyone was devoutly memorising all of Mohamed's words right from the get-go, that they should be more reliable than the Gospels. I find that an unbelievable stance to take.
Isn't Gospel fake enough to you since inside it John says God reffered to him as "My son"
While he never called Jesus that?Also that's without mentioning the contradictions of course
The quran actually took 20+ years to be revealed to prophet muhammad in completion. So people didnt start memorizing from it in the start. I think once they believed it then they started memorizing it... I believe in his time, not a lot of people write so they memorized instead and it's not impossible to memorize because a lot of muslims knows it by heart even now. I think it was even easier to memorize back then because there was less information that distracts people.
Well i agree at the start it may have been strange but you got to understand arab society was an oral culture and memorising stuff was not that strange. Also if the prophet said memorise this or that, why would they refuse?
Why would it discred it? If Muslims are right and the tradition goes all the way back to Abraham. If the truth was collected in other ways would it be any less true? Seriously asking as a non-Muslim who loves reading the Koran and the Muslim tradition.
"Every Muslim knows that Muhammad existed"...there is something seriously wrong with that statement. No one "knows" that Muhammad existed. Let's first examine what it means to "know" something, as opposed to "believing" something. Firstly, human understanding is far from perfect, and what we are talking about is the existence of a person whom no-one on earth has ever met. This does not mean that Muhammad did not exist, but it sure as hell does mean that no-one knows that he did. As an article of faith, supported by stories passed on by other believers, Muslims accept that Muhammad existed. AS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH, not as an article of knowledge. I don't really think that true Islam would collapse if it were discovered that Muhammad was an amalgamation of prophets and stories passed on about others before the time of the literary figure you believe is Muhammad existed. I am also very suspicious about any religion claiming that their prophet or central authority is the final revelation -- as if God stops speaking to people, revealing hidden mysteries about this world and the next...
Stephen Webb his grave exists , and contemporary accounts exist. On the other hand Jesus has no grave and no temporary accounts.
Try again
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Remember what I say above. No Mecca then no Muhammad.
@@ElectricQualia and so what? You happen to make an empty tomb and slap some figure on it, it does not make it true, there's loads of historical accounts for Jesus, there's nothing for mhmd
@@feduntu "there's loads of historical accounts for Jesus, there's nothing for mhmd"
This is a load of rubbish. Where are you getting your information.
The earliest known mention of Mohammad is in 636, only four years after his death,
The earliest know mention of Jesus is between 50 and 60, which is at least 20 years after he died.
The truth is, there is not many contemporary historical accounts for either Jesus, nor Mohammad, but we can be fairly certain that both existed.
Asking Christian about the existence of Prophet Sm. is like asking
an atheist about the existence of God.
That's a brilliant observation. Spenser has achieved a Return on Investment of zero from his book. If he is a business man he would have to close shop early.
Jesus said in the bible a Prophet will come to guide all too truth.
Ever since the salmon Rushdie fictitious novel people like Robert have tried to use his template to get the same reaction but they fail to get that reaction,
While at work I had a bad argument with an old lady, the next day she brought rushdies book to read in her lunch break as if that would hurt me lol I ended up reading it and could not understand what all the fuss was about, she in turn learned not all Muslims are easily triggered
I don’t think he even believes it
Using coinage justification is clearly an alibi sir. No king or empire ever allow to use others coinage
Don't know anything about the 'coinage justification' in the context of Islam. I am not a Muslim.
However, it was fairly common for many kingdoms in the Middle East and Europe to use coins minted by others. Even an English king (Offa, king of Mercia) used coins minted by the Muslim Abbasids.
So one needs to be cautious with generalisations when it comes to history.
@@vicmath1005 hey you if i print in coin that Jesus was not god. I don't think any christian would use it.And how currency could be taken into consideration. It is impossible to make fool about 120000 peoples at time. And if you think that its possible then Muhammad sm. is more real then Jesus because he had just some followers and his book was written after 120 years of his death.
@@vicmath1005 And now tell me about the year when the English king used it along with his history and references. I have another point that is, it was the view of Muslims. Maybe they thought that nobody would use it. And there were also busy in war against fake claimer of Prophet hood.
@@naimhasan7416 The Qur'an was written during the life time of the Prophet. And not 120 years after as you falsely claim
Oh so human beings wrote the quran 200 years after mohammad 😱
Regarding Mecca, it was not mentioned at all in the ancient map even though Muslims believe that Adam and Eve were thrown down there. No archeological prove whatsoever about this.
Even responding to such claims is hilarious. We have numerous evidences like seal used by prophet Muhammad, his letters to kings, his belongings. And Robert Spencer what do you suggest, whole of Arabia conspired and helped to make a fictional character, not one not even one account for spencer to quote from which completely is evident that he had to built the whole case himself.
I am not saying that Mohammad didn't exist, because he definitely did, but your claim that we have evidence of letters written by Mohamad is just not true. In fact, we have nothing from his lifetime that actually confirms his existence. The earliest known mention of Mohammad is in 636, four years after his death.
@@yoloswaggins7121 it was basically an oral tradition in that part of the world, because ink, paper, etc was almost non existent back then
@@irfangullbhat Yeah exactly. So why are you saying that we have written letters from Mohammad. We don't.
@@yoloswaggins7121 writing history was inconvenient, but of course to send messages from one place to another was done through letters since ever
@@yoloswaggins7121 Oh no we do. We have a letter of his which was sent to the emperor Heraclius.
Imagine searching for the 'Truth' all of your life and dying, and then finding out that you had followed a fake one! People will believe what they want to believe, despite the mountain of evidence. Beware of fringe scholars and false prophets!!!
If it's proved that Muhammad lived in a different time than the standard Islamic narrative, say, Does that contradict the Quran and the gist of Islam? Of course, everybody knows now that the bible is written by different people a different times, but that doesn't hamper the belief of Christians.
Yes, belief is different from truth.
Dr. Shabir, in his opening response to the first question says, "if the prophet mohammed did not exist, there's no reason to be a muslim". I believe there is no reason to be a muslim. Based on Robert Spencers book 'Did Mohammed Exist', I would say, "No, mohammed did not exist". Mr. Spencer makes a strong argument, based on historical facts that are difficult to refute. Of course the majority of muslims will be offended by Mr. Spencer, but that is merely the result of low standards of education.
The average muslim believes everything he is told by his elders, resulting in entire generations of misinformed people. The spread of ignorance, in the muslim community, must be stopped in order for them to progress as a people. They have leaned on the West, and Christianity, far too much, in terms of science and technology. They are in danger of falling too far behind the rest of the world, making them irrelevant. Even the Koran borrows from the Christian Bible, to assist muslims in their quest for divine knowledge. Muslims, stand on your own 2 feet, and make a positive contribution to mankind instead of the negative impression that is stamped on the minds of the people of the earth !!!!!! Insha allah.
Leaning on the west, and christianity?
Sorry, but you should study yourself.
Take a look at the history, and see for yourself where all this technology of these modern developments did come from.
May Allah grant you guidance and peace.
Adil Kaouass
If you are refearing to the muslim golden age i think you should know that it has been debunked. The muslims invaded christian land, they absorbed the knowledge of those they conquered, including Greek and Roman science and philosophy.
That' s just a theory...
They didn't you use their knowledge , the empire lasted for over 600 years.
And if you study a bit on islam, you will come to know that didn't copy stuff.
May Allah guide you, and grant you countless blessings
Adil Kaouass
No its not a theory. Studying islam has nothing to do with science and the historical facts. If you look at the arab manuscripts of knowledge of the time you will find a older copy of those same manuscripts in latin, greek and indian languages.
Impossible, I' ve been studying for the past 9 years, I don' t know where you got your information from. Check your sources, and stay open minded, May Allah guide you
Thank you Dr Shabir Ally
Dr Shabbir proved the existence of prophet Muhammad in convincing way
So robert spencer mean that whole arabian peninsula where there were lots of tribes and had many different religions like polytheism , Christianity, jewish and arab pagan tribes who used to engage in war with each other on the basis of pity issues and each and everyone used to enjoy life of desires like free extreme fornication, prostitution they all suddenly came togethor (unknown reason how) and invented a person called "muhammad" and left their religion of paganism and start believing in one God and stopped all their desired activities and living and preaching a descent life and that invented person "muhammad" had a daughter fatima and and a cousin Ali and they married and had two sons hassan and hussain (all of them are invented too by robert spencer) and ali was the fourth caliph and fought war with muawiya and aisha and then hasan and hussain were also vanished from this world and had their sons and daughters and hussain's son "ali ibn hussain" mainly known as "zain ul abideen" had a son "muhammad baqir" and he had a son "jafar sadiq" and so on and on and all of them are "INVENTED"....
Robert spencer need some treatment or may he was bored so he wrote his day dreams
Great reply with simple logic 👍🌹
So umar and abu bakr dont exist and why are u hating on ayesha when Allah shows love to her in surah ahzab
He talks only abt the muslim and non muslim scholars ..saying Prophet Muhammad existed from hadiths or biographies full of myth … where are the authentic historical records ??
Reading comments from Christians demanding proof. Yet they read religious scritures which commence with "according to......." LMAO. Oh the irony..
So did Ally actually produced a primary source or properly addressed Spencer's arguments? No, he did not it's fascinating you automatically assume the people here demanding proof are Christians. Even if that is true you are just being reflective and deceptive. Provide actual legitimate proof Ally didn't actually provide it. I am talking to Ejaaz this Islamic apologist and most of his sources are horrendous and I am putting this mildly.
@@junkim5853 provide proof that jesus existed.
@@nomejest5919 so we are playing the deflecting game are we?
@@junkim5853 yeah
@@nomejest5919 why can't we provide all the evidence that Muhammad existed? Why deflect? Do you admit he didn't?
There were at 3 empires at the emergence of 'islamic' expansion. But they only mentioned about 'arab' invasion and never islamic invasion.
13:00 He calls physical coins "circumstantial" ???
Did Newton Exist?
More than Allah or muhamad, and he was certainly more useful to humanity
yup he did and his written book do exist
@@adeldee1689 and he was biblical fanatic
That you guys despise
Did ST Paul exist
@@alitouheedi5107 he is mentioned by clement of Alexandria
He said the Koran was made 200 yr later & he she said so the Koran is real & he said yes?
Hahahaha. He talked about Hadith you fool.
So... just as Jesus existed but was no Superman.
So Christians were paying the jizya with coins that bore a cross how ironic is that. Shabir ally is full of it 🤦♂️
How is that ironic? Do you know what irony is?
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Thank you
Why bring up the subject to please the evangelicals who try to debunk Islam because they got no answer for Christianity. They said that they will try their best to cuase propaganda against Islam via social media.
So the evidence of Muhammad’s existence is that it’s common knowledge that he existed? That’s pretty wild.
Point of correction, Jesus is not a prophet. Isa may be, but not Jesus
There is a new edition of the book, it is 25% larger
if not all hadiths authentic then not all qurans are authentic
The Quran we have now was canonized in 1924 after throwing away so many other versions. The first biography of Muhammad is from the year 833 AD, 200 years after the death of 'Muhammad'. You can deceive the ignorant but now those who know it well
The Gospels of Jesus may have been written decades after his crucifixion, but no one argues that there was no written evidence of his existence before that. It's generally agreed that most of the Epistles were written far earlier, along with non-Christian sources.
Spencer's argument is that there was zero (or at least speculative) evidence of Muhammad even though he was the most important individual in an entire empire.
They're not comparable.
We Muslims could Argue Did Jesus exist to the Christians then they'll start crying and throwing tantrums
anonymous anonymous he existed but was an evil man
exactly. in fact same applies for all the prophets. how do you impirically prove their existence if the Grave of Muhammad SA is not good enough to prove his existence?
See CZcams: CAESAR'S MESSIAH everybody!
@@tonystakes6020 Did Julius caesar exist
The debate in the world today is not Christianity vs Islam, it is about weather Islam should be monitored; Also, the continued exposure of the Muslim Islamist's intentions, based on the Quran's scripter which is a great danger, no matter what the smiling face presented by Islam's defenders says.
Real danger is waiting you in your grave.
Did Alaxender, Cyrus, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle existed? Funny confusion .Did our grandfather existed?
Well done, Excellent!
The plot thickens. If Mecca and Medina are so central to Islam, how come all the traditional writers of the quran all lived hundreds and even thousands of miles from Mecca and Medina. From as far as 4000 miles.
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Actually not true... because of the expansion of the Muslim conquest over centuries, religious scholars popped out from every corner from the Islamic world... scientists and philosophers too... and the reason only a few came from mecca and madina is due to that fact that immediately after the death of othman, the capital of the empire changed alot, from demuscus to Baghdad and kufa etc.. and because of that, even scholars who come from mecca and madina would go to the Capital to receive better education and live there for good profits.
Her : Explain why muammad did not exist
Him : Every muslim knows muhammad existed.
How do they know that ? did they travel back in time to meet him in person ? Lmfao
Hahahahaha true i dont understand that they are so brainwashed
Then why did that pig write a book about the truth of mohammad talking about his life
I have a theory that nobody I disagree with existed. From Genghis Khan all the way until my mother in law. Prove me wrong.
Mohammed pple believed in religion comparing to your mother in law. That does not make sense
He doesn’t actually address any of his central claims at all. Has left me more convinced that Spencer’s arguments are right!
The last few seconds were classic.
"So Muhammad did exist. Ok on the next show the question of martyrdom."
There is no original Quran, the book said to be perfect & complete. All the earliest copies are incomplete & different, with omissions, erasures, alterations, additions - hence imperfect in every way. You would think a recitation by Gabriel you make valuable copy, but Mohammad didn't leave one.
This is ASMR to my ears-
Hmmmm prophet Mohamed the mysterious figure of the religion of Islam did he really exist!? good question to think about?
I like both of You . Because Both of You are Skeptical & Atheists inside. Whatsoever you claim by your tounges but your vibes say different .
Did jesus exist then?
Lot of Bull… he claims Muslims where a kind of Christian… and they considered it to be so important to consider Christians feelings about their coins so to choose not to mint Muslim Coins with the Prophet….
Yes Prophet did exists because of Beliefs that overridden History & evidence
This woman is not convinced if you read her face carefully
Mecca appears on NO 6,7c ancient Arabic maps??😂
The companion of muhammad says there iss a coin minted in 697AD with muhammad's name on it. Spencer says thats another muhammad lol.
Mecca is build around 400 AD, it was a small unimportant village and seldom drawn on maps.
According Muh the kaaba was build by Abraham , who lived 1900 BC
Even he assert that Adam made the fundations, who lived 4000 BC.
how can the muslims connect all this lies together ?
I my opinion, muhommad did exist but not in the way moslems depicts him to be in 21st century . He was not a Saint but a decoit. He knew how to compose poems. He always carried a copy of Torah with him. He knew how to read & write hebrew. He knew a little bit of Yoga & Meditation. But he never Attained Enlightenment that is 100% sure .
It is claimed that the Quran appeared out of nothing but thin air, i.e., from Allah to Jibraeel to Mohammad, which is held up a proof of its divine origins.
Whereas historical criticism reveals that the Quran may have emerged as a communal text from the interactions and engagements over centuries within the multicultural milieu of Judeo-Christian doctrines, old Arabic pagan traditions and Zoroastrian fables.
The main corpus of the Quran thus pre dates Mohammed, who may have existed merely as an ordinary person, perhaps one of the more successful of Arab warlords.
The storyline about "Mohammad the prophet", created 200 years after 622 by the Abbasids via the instrument of Hidith, thus back projected a fictitious personality onto a real but ordinary man named Mohammad. That story line could have been easily matched up with a space-time disembodied text of the Quran that was already available from the time of the creation of the Arab state in 622.
The fact that God Almighty did not use any of his Divine Powers to atleast preserve these revelations in their original pristine condition, baffles the mind. God created the Universe, and yet didn't write a book himself. How difficult is it for God to write a book? God gave the revelations to Muhammad and yet didn't care if the scribes wrote it on leaves, stone, or goat skin. So now the caliphs had the problem on how to compile all those stuff together and segregate which ones are which. Unbelievable.
@@TheEchoeman one thing very confusing is where were these leaves stones and goat skin were stored and who guarded them .. if stored by individuals then i cannot imagine the number of people guarding them as revelations came slowly during a period of 23 yrs ..
@@sadiqakhan277
The Quran is a product of a conspiracy. The only reason why the Quran has "miraculously" remained "unchanged" all these years is because the Islamic authorities have been killing those people who attempt to edit or change the writings of the final compiled version produced by Abu Bakr.
Robert spencer's Farther didn't exist, how he exists now? So Robert X, Robert Y whatever possible,
how do we know muhammad existed? because every Muslim knows muhammad existed. indeed his existence is common knowledge.and because the Quran says he does. circular reasoning anyone?
Largely a protracted brainwash with few facts and many assumptions?Islam needs intellectuals like Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Smith. Well done you guys!
Can you address Mohammed sexual behavior? You haven't addressed any of these predatorial behaviors towards women.
After watching the entire clip; my question is - Did Muhammad Exist?
That depends how do you define "exist"?
Muhammad Didn't Exist...is this like the Paul-is-Dead thing for Islamophobes?
Jesus has 2 natures.. Thats what you didn't understand.. Sadly you don't understand the mysteries of God.... Watch the documentary on Cira International...
is this man mohammed himself ??
Father and daughter must study 📚!
Who is founder Islam ☪️
S) Abdullah almalik
D) 690-691 ad
E) interdiction ISLAM first time
F) MUSLIMS!( before no Muslim)
G) sahgada!
H) Quran
So please daughter and father
Must study real history of Islam ☪️!
Mr.Shabeer ally I wish you r works I am just asking one question how the haddiths wrote the writers which source how they find out after 220 years laterer I am asking about haddiths
Because first there was no department of collecting Hadiths.only Quran was collected .when the Quran was collected and finalized. Islam was complete even without the Hadith.some muhadiths thought we should also collect the says of Prophet Muhammad.
the bible was compiled about 15 to 60 years after the death of jesus,,,,so the queastion is why the Quran was written about 100 t0 200 years late after the Death of MUhammad...thats why Shabbir keeping on dodging this claims by Robert Spencer,,if we were to talk about the companions of christianity they wrote about jesus,earlier about jesus a compared to Mahammad,,the first companion wrote about 125 years late after the death of mahammad,,,which means the truth about the Quran could be compromised....is had to prove the authenticity of the Quran,with all the evidence that is laid there by Robert spencer,
waist of time better not to see it fully this video so I quit :)
Ok, if you believe this man for one instant, only one, you have a big problem with honesty and the scientific method . This guy uses the numbers of muslims as a shield for his ridiculous assertions . Stop him ... please .
So then, Muhammad existed because the Islamics say he did, and anyone who says he didn't is on the fringe?
Got it! 😉
That sounds EXACTLY how Christians maintain that Jesus really existed.
Exactly 😂😂😂
It's almost like the host Sophia had to have Ally convince her that Muhammad did exist. Another close inspection into the growing doubt that Muhammad did exist was a Television documentary produced by British author Tom Holland called Islam:The untold story. The aforementioned Patricia Crone had a prominent role in the doc,
you're joking right? she's a host. she wants him to be clear so the audience can understand. what do you just watch to argue?
Dont really get the same reactions in other videos🤔 Oh well It's his daughter after all.
No she asking objective questions lol
Right, because his own daughter dressed in hijab, doesn't believe that the Prophet (ﷺ) actually existed... Excellent observation.
Muslim experts should study hard ,to find the the truth .there is no fear ,why they become tempered ,study and research do not tell lie because upon some scholars huge numbers of lives depends .Dr. Sabir Ali, why you discuss about Christian doings ? You are asked to answer if mohammed exist ? Why do you speak this and that .in your thought christians are false .how many documents do you have show it