WTF...Honda Turns Itself ON & DRAINS the Battery?! (Part 2)
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- Customer sourced a USED BCM from eBay for this 2018 Honda Odyssey.
Let's plug it in and program the keys...should be EASY, right?
Well, how do we talk to the car with a scanner, when you can't turn ON the ignition without programming the keys?? HMMMMMMM
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Ivan - Auta a dopravní prostředky
The money you are paid from one job goes quickly.
The knowledge lasts a lifetime.
Honda: Dealer-only fix, no way around it, end of story.
Ivan: "Hold my test light"
Extremely impressive. Rather than ban you...the Honda dealer should pay you for the lessons learned that they probably didn't know.
I wonder if the original bcm had corruption in its configuration and when you reprogrammed it the corruption was corrected, sort of like re-formatting a drive
Interesting thought. Sounds possible 🤔
I was thinking the same I work in the fire alarm industry and have found may times just re down loading its software corrects the issue.
Just like reinstalling a clean install of Windows 7.
@@Garth2011 ...windows 7 ...lol
I write firmware, and I was thinking along similar lines 👍
Ivan you got the patience of a saint working on all this computer and electrical stuff ! It keeps getting harder for the average back yard mechanic to work on this stuff !
And independent shops too.
Most people would've given up a long time ago or may not even attempted this fix.
Great job Ivan. Your instruction is a huge time saver and also shows the necessary steps to solving problems.
Continue being "you". Your video content, your personality, and your honesty even when making mistakes, are a perfect combination to a great video. Thanks again.
Thanks Scott, never a boring moment in this line of work 😅
I agree but then there are some mechanics who deal with diagnostics as a profession and feel the need to learn which will help them much down the road. That's the difference between good tech's and ones who are better off replacing batteries, alternators etc. There's just no end to these overly engineered computer run cars...its almost insane what they bypass in common sense just to put a lot of things to be managed/controlled by computer modules. Half the problems are in poor quality components that cannot pass a self destruction test in just 3 years or can't deal with the weather elements or simply fail due to poor solder joints. The modules shouldn't fail, period. then we have a long discussion as the the quality of the wiring terminators/connection. Most of these problems are in quality of manufacturing or poor assembly and design/installation of components. It's a complete expense to the public to have to pay to chase down the imperfections in todays cars. By that I mean, there is no room for tollerance, if its not perfect, it won't operate correctly and the more one thing has to do with other tings, the more difficult it is to diagnose.
@@Garth2011 Can you believe that anyone in the future will be able to relive one of these electronic gems like people who restore our older make of cars! don't think so! and we call this progress !
@@garyalford9394 I think its all about control however, many just do not get that could be the plan. The more we hang around, the less freedom there is as our recent history has proven. If you are a slouch dealership who doesn't maintain highly qualified mechanics, vehicle owners are forced to go there for one thing or another.
A glitch in the matrix maybe the reprogramming rectified it.
Nice work and thanks for uploading videos like this.
There’s a lot of people who maybe wouldn’t
I would agree with this poster... When you went through the relearning of the original BCM when the code was written over you probably corrected the code errors... It only takes one BIT being either being (on/off) to redirect the software to do strange things... Good to hear you both WON on this one...
I was a cheerleader for modern tech in vehicles until I started watching these channels. Now I feel like I need to buy a 1974 Chevy pickup that just needs a toggle switch and a pushbutton to start it.
It's why I like your channel Ivan...you have been trained by your father and college to use the scientific method. Well done. A+
Scientific method hasn't failed me yet haha
I am a computer systems engineer. Often when we have trouble with computer hardware, we upgrade the firmware even if it is the same version. The "upgrade" process rewrites the code to the chips and often fixes the problems. I think that is what you experienced. Why the issue in the first place? Often a small current drop or surge can scramble the data just enough to cause intermittent problems. Good job, Ivan!
Question is, what or why did the firmware get corrupted if thats a fair description for it?
@@Garth2011 Sounds crazy, but cosmic particles can do that. Also nearby lightning hit or some orher source of strong elecromagnetic pulse.
Agreed, and I absolutely hate this type of "no problem" problem!
Ever experience “bitrot”?
It's enough to help someone to start his car with cables for to have some strange problems occuring, but this one was a hard one.
Hey Ivan, just thought I’d tell you. I’m a former Honda certified and ASE certified master technician. I also own the thinktool pro+ and the autel maxisys ms919. Just last weekend I replaced the BCM on a 2018 Honda odyssey with a used BCM, but I was able to program the keys with no issue using the thinktool. Even when the ignition didn’t turn on. I see what you did wrong, when the scanner tells you to push the start button for the first time, you have to keep it pushed until the ignition comes on. In the video, you pushed the button for a little while, then you let it go when the next pop-up window appeared on the scanners screen. By doing this, you interrupted whatever process was happening. If you would have started it all over again and held the start button down until it turned on, you wouldn’t have needed to jumper the relays.👍
Interesting! Great to know! 👍🙂
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I just posted my issue on the 2019 MDX and yes thats where you went wrong. My issue seems to be a bad can bus circuit preventing communication with the TPMS unit.
@@DIYeverything513 how long do you have to hold down the button? 🤔
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics you have to hold it down for a few seconds but only when you go through the corresponding menu in the scanner. One touch start button menu. It says to hold the button for x amount of time. Mine would beep but then the screen shuts down which leave me to believe it tries to run on ignition but I have another issue somewhere. I once thought the tpms unit need to be brand new but I can be wrong.
I love it. The car came in for the ignition being live without a key. At 12:25 you have to hack the car in order to turn the ignition on without a key. The irony is superb.
You are the Arch Angel of Diagnostics!!!
Thank you for teaching me to never buy any vehicle made after 1972.
😅
Real life stuff here people!! Man, Ivan, I’m impressed! It’s hard when we get our hands tied behind our backs by the OE and still have to try to fix the car!
I'm betting there was a bit flip in one of the modules. When you tried to install the eBay replacement, you had to flush the old data (EEPROM codes) and replace it. Therefore, when you went to re-install the original part, the Odyssey accepted that information as fresh, thereby clearing the data error/bit flip issue, returning the vehicle to service. I often do this type of reset when I'm flashing cell phones, for one reason or another. It helps to reset the settings for all the radios in the device, making the old data, seem new again.
Nice job on this one Ivan, It WAS a bit of fun! Can't believe those dealerships kicked you out - You are a benefit to any business you assist! They should get over themselves, soon!! 🤔🤨🤣🤣
Anyone owning a later modern vehicle Needs to have a vintage model as a backup...youre going to need it..
That’s a good idea. That red vintage behind Ivan at the end would be a good one..
I swear down an older model electrical gremlins issue free ride is a must to have as a back up vehicle.
@@018139548 I’m getting closer to completing my 69 beetle restoration , so that will be my backup to my backup when it’s done .
Dealer technician and former parts guy here:. 98% of warrantied or replaced modules that manufacturers test are good. In the case of Chrysler monitoring warranty repairs for one year, it was found that pin fitment or connection issues were the actual failure over 90% of the time!!
We have a local lock and safe company here that runs a mobile unit. They are the ones I call in this kind of situation. He keeps all the updated programs for automobiles. ;) Like you Ivan, it is something I do not do at this time.
Same here in my area. Skip over the dealer
Imagine that, a specialty business that deals with computer module programming just like meachanics who specialize in diagnosing vehicles. No longer are the days of an all around mechanic or shop. Cars today need a speciasist in transmissions, engines, electrical, security etc. What a complete disaster.
You are spot on that their BCM unit has way too many connections - as someone who does board-level repairs to modern electronic equipment I'd immediately suspect bad connections inside. The use of non lead-bearing solder and the push to smaller and smaller components on boards sets things up for mechanical failure. So much for cost reduction at the expense of reliability. Even with a conformal coating on the board, temperature changes along with vibration and stress can create poor solder connections. Just too bad it didn't fail during the warranty period!
Anyway, keep up the great diagnostic work!
As a software engineer, I'd guess that the reprogramming of the original BCM wrote the new data in a different location than the original. If there was a problem reading data from the original location, the behavior could very well be undefined. When troubleshooting very complex systems, success usually depends on persistence; and you kept trying different approaches until you stumbled across one that worked. It's a hard way to make a living, but I am often forced to do the exact same thing ;-)
I think reprogramming the keys helped, they may have got wet and malfunctioned. You did right with charging fee's and the experience.
@Hack, yea I think there are several good lessons on this one. First, it's electrical and there is software/hardware so sometimes there are electrical issues like with wiring/voltage etc,. sometimes it's also software related where there could be something "corrupted" and there can also be something mechanical such as components/pins etc., needing to be cleaned/disconnected/reseated just as Ivan mentioned at the end.
I also recall a strange oddity occurring one time with one of my old cars and it's key fob. Somehow, being in/near another car and transmitter, a totally different one mind you, my key fob would no longer interact with my car. Nothing got wet, no battery issues etc. I unlocked the car with the key and thankfully it uses an actual key with a resistor to start the car...
But I had to go through the rather painless procedure of re-registering my key fobs and the only difference had been the fact that I was driving this other car and had the key fobs, using them together. Never had anything like that happened before so I intentionally put them together again, pressed the buttons etc., and again my fobs stopped interacting with the car.
Hey Ivan!
I know I'm late to this party but I'm a big fan.
So, dunno if anyone else caught this but you kept letting go of the START/STOP button.
It takes a few seconds for the scantool to take control of the immobilizer system.
Next go round, use the remote to press the button and hold until the ignition comes on.
Cheers!!
Honda tech here, good diagnosis. The BCM, Smart unit, or immobilizer/TPMS module (depending on the make/model/year) is the only module that has the ability to turn on the ignition on push button start Hondas. I dealt with an Odyssey similar to this issue, but much more frequent (like within 2 minutes of locking the car the ignition would turn on and trigger the alarm). Ended up replacing it and that fixed it. Also seen it on a Ridgeline that used an immobilizer/TPMS module. Honda has zero service info on these systems even at a dealership level.
I use a Launch tool a lot on Hondas due to it being simply much faster than the HDS. The Thinktool you used is very similar, but it didn't ask for the VIN to command the PCU on. On my Launch it'll ask for the VIN after asking if the vehicle is equipped with a one push start. Then you hold the start button down (do not release it at all) and in about 10-20 seconds the car will switch on. Its a similar function on the Honda immobilizer tool. Then from there only use the one push start module, do not use the immobilizer menu - immobilizer system menu is used on physical key models though it still can communicate and attempt to program. Then select replace MICU, pair it, then program keys. If you try to program keys before pairing it gets really angry.
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Hi I see that you’re a Honda tech, I have a 2022 Honda civic. When I turn off the car the left/driver side headlight stays on and the ignition is on as well(all lights on dashboard) while the engine is off. I’m unable to lock the car due to this and it drains the battery. The low beam also doesn’t work in the headlight that stays on, only the led strip and the high beam. Can you offer any insight?
@@pyrextrapper Very common. Moisture in headlight causes it to stay on / malfunction. Needs a headlamp replacement.
All good technicians take a loss now and then, like you said it's a learning process. It sucks for time spent vs time paid, but sometimes it just comes down to integrity. Sometimes modules just need to be reset, why? We don't know. It just happens. Sometimes we get paid for getting lucky. Keep these videos coming Ivan. Love the process.
It's not really loss. You just have to think of it as school time. But by the end, you come out the other side knowing how to do it well and if you do 2 or 3 of the same cars after that, you'll blaze right through them fast.
@@calholli agree. What a dealership tech would spend to learn in a month or a year Ivan had to/learned in 3 hours. Fast learner I’d say 👍🏼
you get easy jobs, hard jobs, and somewhere in between. it all balances out in the end. winning that customer for life is the real prize.. going to bed every night knowing you will never be broke because there is a steady stream of income is priceless and you did fair, honest work .
with all of the software, firmware, ect, getting to be proprietary we will see this more and more.. just think what electric vehicles will be like. they are already going to electric steering, braking systems.. nightmares !!
multiple processors to run everything. the automatic updates the manufacturers put thru to cars via sattelite, will cause many problems, and that could be what happened to this car.. you think Honda will admit to it? think they will contact customers and say hey, we did some updates to your BCM module, and found out it was corrupted, or incompatible after we did it, so come in, we will reflash your BCM to its original state and your car will start and run again.. NOT HAPPENING!!!!! Alot of the computer systems and programming is done in China, Taiwan ect. do u think they give a rats ass if your car works or not? The stealerships dont even know how the systems work on an intimate level, they just replace parts from a troubleshooting flowchart and hope for the best.. if they cant fix them, they auction them off. I use a still a Garmin Gps independent unit stuck to my windshield and will never own a car with the bullshit infotainment or key in the car sensing system.. if your too lazy to pull a key out of your pocket and stick it in a hole and turn it, you shouldnt be driving. my 2017 caravan has the remote door lock, but if it fails theres a key inside the fob that will let me open and start the van.
Thanks Ivan for walking us through this experience even if the experience was a pain in the ass.
lol yep the manufacturers are money grabbing shitbags.
😂
My pleasure 👍
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Hey Ivan, I had trouble with copying keys on an Acura in the past, it simply would not let me program more than one key at a time. If I told it to "Make 2 keys" -- it would fail every time. But If I just did it 1 key at a time, it would work great. So try that next time-- only add ONE key and see if it works. You can always go back through it again and copy the second and third keys.
One PIA with 3'rd party scan tools, never know what you'll even be capable of repairing until it's hooked up to the vehicle. Available options will be vehicle specific.
One thing I learned in electronics class was "chip creak". A lot of IC's were not mounted directly to boards, but inserted into sockets that were. boards that did not power up prior to pushing down on the IC's mounted in the sockets often did after. The expansion and contraction from heating & cooling of power on/off cycles, the chips would "walk" themselves out of the sockets they rested in.
It was satisfying to have a board power on after pushing the IC's back into their sockets, but it was more satisfying feeling that "crunch" of pushing the IC's back into their sockets. Removing the 5 cables from the old BCM, and putting it back in, could've resolved the problem.
Heck my power window went out. the fuse was not blown, but the act of removing the fuse to check it and putting it back in resolved the problem. Surface oxidization on the metal contacts?
What a trip!
That's so sad how that whole process is even needed in the first place, and the complexity on the scan tool.
The HDS can register the new BCM in one menu, one process, and it takes 10 minutes. The one thing that caught my eye was one of the first prompts on the thinktool during your programming: "Don't release the start button until the ignition is turned on". The first thing the HDS does is force the ignition on and it asks you to hold the ignition for multiple seconds while the HDS does it's thing, and then the car turns on.
As to why the old BCM works again? FM.
I suspect it will return shortly.
I am a network and security engineer and I must say I am not impressed with how the auto industry has setup network communication in cars. Everything I work on generates log information, I can generate packet captures, I have all these tools to help me diagnose network problems (icmp, etc). Adding to this all connections are hub and spoke (network switch to all devices) It appears that automotive communication is setup in series with terminating resistors at each end. we did that back in 1980 it was called 10Base2 and it was horrible so we junked that system. The entire automotive system seems to be designed with the only goal of saving a few feet of wire (in series) I would like to see the automotive community take a look at how network engineers have designed our systems, I mean we have only managed to connect every single computer on the planet so we might have some good ideas on the subject. - Lee
I've experienced this same thing. This is why one of the first thing I do is a hard reset. Disconnect the battery. Connect the terminals together as to drain the capacitors in the modules. Then reconnect the battery. Effectively doing what you did which is disconnecting the module. Sometimes these modules act like Windows software. It glitches. And gets corrupt. Resetting the module like turning off the PC and turning it back on sometimes resolves these kinds of issues. I had a Nissan that had a faulty transmission. It had DTC's in it previous the repair. After replacing the transmission I now had new codes. I did circles for hours. Thinking I did something wrong. But couldn't find evidence that validated the codes. So I did a hard reset. Codes gone. Car is still fixed and on the road. That's how a lot of these newer cars with many many modules are now. They can literally create false issues based on modules just glitching out. And so now you have consider in your diagnostics wether or not these codes are real. Wether or not the symptoms are due to a faulty part or corrupt information. It's crazy. And getting more difficult all the time.
Great comment Edwin. Yup a hard reset works magic sometimes. Dumb computers lol!
I work for Honda and had a 2020 or 2021 CRV ( I don't exactly remember, it's been awhile now) that came in with only a few thousand miles with this exact issue. Customer said it would come on randomly. Literally the exact same thing this van was doing. That one was not as much of a head scratcher as it had a DTC stored that basically pointed to BCM replacement. So far, that's the only vehicle to come to our dealer with that issue. Waited almost 2 months for that thing to show up off backorder. Replaced, programmed the keys and it was good to go. Hasn't been back once with a repeat issue. Really enjoyed these videos. I'm not the best at diagnosing stuff, but I try my best to get more comfortable. Just watching your process helps me out.
Too funny FM. When I was working we had to analyze electronic circuits on. Quite often if the card was pulled out and put back it would work. We called it PFM. Pure f magic
Wow. Best thing I got out of this was deciding which one of our 5 vehicles to sell. 3 Toyotas, 1 GM fun car, and a 2018 Honda(HMR) Guess which one got the short straw. Thanks again Ivan.
The Honda motorbike is ok thankfully there quad's at least are still very good at least the 250 is anyway I'm new to these kinds of vehicles so I don't know much about them let's hope Honda won't destroy there small engine stuff.
@@neilmurphy845 I really cannot kick on the Honda vehicle’s, my wife’s has 80k and never had one issue. And also She was QC for a local company that makes a lot of parts for Honda, and they have the most strict specs. In the industry.
@@brianw8963 The older Hondas were generally more reliable and easier to repair up to around 2004.
@@psdaengr911 My main concern is the CVT transmission. Not a fan of those.
Ahhh that was a Honda HRV, already sold, that was fast.
OMG Ivan!!! Dude, buddy, friend!! WOW, just when I thought you knew it all, I just witnessed you learn something NEW!!!
You are the man. You are on your game friend.
Was waiting on a frosty Sunday morning for this . Thanks . I hope that you realize how many of us root for you on these nightmares .
Nevertheless, you saved that customer a lot of money, Ivan. You showed incredible patience trying to program the keys (power on, power off, etc, etc). After part 1, I thought it odd that you didn't go to the BCM connectors and verify the signals and the connectors as you have done so many times in the past. Just figured you did all that off camera. Oh well, all's well that ends well. Great job, great video!
These types of jobs on Hondas was always confusing even to us in the dealer with the factory software. Believe it or not holding the key against the button for a while definitely works even with aftermarket scanners. It’s silly but if you hold it long enough it will actually turn on. I couldn’t believe but you know me and I only speak facts from what I’ve seen. They really need to change the way they word this stuff bc it’ll easily irritate the best of us sometimes. Good job tho as always!
I recently had one of these in my shop/ same issue. Unplugged it and waited for a while.. plugged it back in.. the issue remained. Replaced BCM. Issue resolved. Thank you for your efforts bro 😎
I love Ivan's approach and teaching methods.....I've learned so much since finding his youtube channel :)
If it was me, and I'm not positive but this is my goto method. Connect the obd11 breakout box. cross 1 and 16 and usually the ignition comes on and you are able to program keys. Help desks won't ever tell you to do this. there are locksmith tools that force the ignition on. and all that they do is cross these pins. the tool is about 115.00 plugs in to the obd11 port and has a connector to plug your scan tool into. there is a switch on it that turns on the ignition.
I will try this on the next one 😁
Thank You for another informative video.
I want to thank you for the extra mile you walk for us.
People like you make a difference in this trade.
YOU STILL DID A GREAT JOB.
thanks for the education on what it takes to work on these new cars.
Wow, seems like Honda has really gone down hill in reliability. Great diagnosis 👍
Your FM comment reminded me of times in the past working on communications equipment. There were times when everything passed the tests, but the problem persisted, then after days of re-testing the problem came clear and everything worked. We had no clue what the problem was but we had become so frustrated we were glad to mark it down as Black Magic.
I had this problem with my 2017 Acura MDX. It was turning on by itself, and setting off the alarm over and over again. Also, the key fob no longer opens my doors. I actually found a video here on CZcams that told me how to fix the issue. It was the Smart start module. In my Acura, this was located behind the glove box, which had to be taken out to get to it. It had to be opened and a certain component needed to be cleaned with Alcohol. I followed the instruction on the video, and I have not had the problem since. I will post the link to that video next.
Ivan, this stuff is getting sort of crazy. Really appreciate you taking us through it all. I'd say the next time you visit your buddy dinner is on you. Thanks for Sharing!
Great video! That Ignition on bypass trick with a test light is a genius idea. Learned something new today, thanks Ivan!
Kudos Ivan you really gave it a go!
Wow, what a pain in the hoo ha. I commend your perseverance and honesty Ivan. You post it, I watch it and try to learn. Keep up the great work.
By reprogramming the BCM, you unpaired the Remote Start module that was having issues and causing the problem.
The remote start module was the problem from the beginning.
There was a Honda tech in the other video that confirmed that these remote-start modules are known to fail in weird modes like this, causing weird symptoms like the ignition switching on.
I've been looking forward to this video.
Banned from the Honda dealership? Just found your channel. What did I miss? That sounds like a fun story 😁
So in other words a "no parts required" fix! Again!! It is still amazing to watch your problem solving process, another great outcome for the customer.
Great attitude.
Great job. I had a learning job last year but earned a customer
Dude you are awesome. Im learning so much from your vids. Going through the whole process and seeing not only the solutions but also the missteps along the way is so informative. You definitely have earned a subscriber and i look forward to binge-watching all your videos
Welcome to the channel! 🙂👍
Keith to the rescue again!👍I hope he is well and enjoying his life! Great vid (as usual), Ivan!
good job .got to say you put a really lot effort .you are really decade tech that love his job
Just finished both parts. That was amazing hot-wiring the modules to force programming 👍🏻 Worrying the problem has disappeared I suspect you'll see that again at some point! I've been looking at the newer CR-Vs here in the UK, those have the same instrument cluster as that Odyssey so probably the same spicy Mexican modules 😂 I think I'll stick with older cars for the moment with plenty of used spares available.
Yep, sticking with older cars is the way to go. The future for these new fangled fractionalized electronic gizmo cars is bleak indeed.
A key moment “20:04”. The EEPROM error reported a year or more ago might be the warning that it had a previous issue that cleared itself or gave false signals to the bcm. If this issue surfaces again the keyless access system feeding the bcm should be monitored or isolated before condemning the bcm.
As an ET for 35 years, I have seen EEPROMS that will flip bits and cause many different problems. By reprogramming it, you have fixed it for now, but it will happen again. The EEPROM is bad and the only way to fix it for good is replace it.
EEPROM stands for Electrical Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory; a chip that is able to store code or program that's kept when the board is powered off.
During initializing (start-up or wake-up) it's probably compared with the stored year 2018 of the car's production date in the ECM.
Although the original module seems to have a production date of 17/09/2015, the EEPROM inside will have the year 2018 programmed into it before installation in the car.
It would not surprise me if the EEPROM error indicates that the ECM will only accept a replacement module that's programmed (not produced!) less than a year earlier.
Honda's way of keeping the dealers happy?
Date of module production on the label does NOT mean that the program inside is from that same year. They can produce X amount of the same modules with empty EEPROM's and program them when needed; depending on brand, model, year and other specs.
Keep that in mind when buying on eBay...
honda refers to the bcm as the MICU. "Replace MICU" was the procedure you wanted to perform on the scan tool.
Good job Ivan 👌
Your an awesome teacher. You make me smile a lot. ❤️
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Ivan my man you are a dedicated master Auto Technician/Program Engineer you are awesome my man, you rock!
Great video great information
Ivan the Ghostbuster! Thanks Ivan, good work!
From a computer guy's point of view: yes, reseating components sometimes scares away the ghosts in your electronics. The other way to scare them off reliably is to add 400V. You can see them scurry away in a puff of magic ghost smoke :D
Yes, reinstall drivers ! Problem fixed.
For industrial PCs there is a similar failure mode with dirty contacts going intermittent, basically dirty and oxidized contacts. The contact issue is so common that before even troubleshooting the computer, I take all the boards out, inspect and clean up the mother board connectors (Deoxit D5 spray, unless really dirty than Deoxit D100 spray and/or D100 with needle applicator. If contacts are gold I use G100L (ProGold) needle applicator, after spray cleaning connector with D5 spray.) I then use wipes to clean and condition the edge connectors (two step if gold D5 spray, or D100, then G100L) . I reassemble the computer and it usually will boot and run with no problem. Then I run my system hardware checks, and if the PS is very old I will inspect and replace if necessary. I then do all of the "standard" software testing checks.
So, I think the approach to the problem in the video might have some preliminary steps. The first is to inspect, clean and condition all the module (BCM) connector contacts. Then if the problem persists, I would either reprogram the module with the latest firmware release and test again, or I would start my troubleshoot as you have shown. So the priority would be cleaning and conditioning contacts, verify and/or program latest firmware, then troubleshooting as normal.
Not just a diagnostician, but a car hacker as well, Great work Ivan, we need more of these workaround ! :-)
So, you hotwired the ignition to do your programming. Seems like you were hung in a vicious circle; you couldn't program without turning on the ignition. You couldn't turn on the ignition without keys programmed. My heart sank when you suggested the car would need to go to the dealer to be programmed. The dealer that banned you. I doubt even that wonderful Russian sour cream would have tasted good on that crow. Great video!
I think there’s only one word to describe you the wizard/magician brilliantly done 👍👍👍👍
Excellent video Ivan 👍 👍 👍
NPR and Pure FM
Whaaat?
Great story and video!!
If everyone was as genuine and honest as you the world would be a much better place - thankyou Ivan for being true
Fantastic episode. When you were at a seeming impasse due to lack of security credentials, I found myself shouting "Call Keith"! Once you did, his suggestion for the workaround was characteristically brilliant. Final cure of unplugging and re-plugging is good lesson.
When in doubt, reboot. (from experience in the Tech field)
I once had two identical units with identical controllers - both of which were intermittently unhappy. I was able to permanently fix both by simply swapping controllers between the two units.
@@robarnt6 love it 👌
i'm glad keith is a friend of yours as the wealth of knowledge from him is extraordinary..what a curve ball fix but so far it is working so shrug was a weird ghost Honda from beginning..well done Ivan..
The first hack on a car that I have seen, nice work.
Awesome Ivan
I know I would have given up long before you did!!
Time is money
Very cool. Great job Ivan. Like you said, there are a lot of wires going to that module. If a function got out of sequence somewhere along the line it could have locked-up part of the module and not allowed it to clear or reset. When you reprogramed it, it cleared whatever sequence issue it may have had. Lots of knowledge gained on this one.
Excellent and clever.
Hi Ivan,
Thanks for taking us through that exhausting programming procedure. Guess a Honda will not be in my future, but most likely the manufactures will try to include more functions into fewer modules. You and your family stay safe.
We need to go back to simpler times! to many touchy electronics, and parts you wont be able to get when the vehicles are older. Yeah I know, E.V's are now here! lol !!
Ivan nice job. Honestly always some how will pay off. 😊
Hey guys watch all his video advertisements so by this way we can help his chanel specially with this kind of case study where you can't charge the costumer with all the time spent trying to fixe the fault. We learn from his experience.
1. if you are banned only from 1 dealer then go to a dealer in another town.
2. if your friend cant do it over state lines then either have him come to you or you drive the car to them by swapping the bcms to get it there and swap back.
I've been watching you for over 2 years. You are an honest man. In my younger years I was an electronic tech repairing home and car audio. Occasionally I would get a unit that should have taken 1.5 hrs to repair, but for reasons unknown it took longer. I would charge the customer a reasonable price. Keep up the great schooling you give all of us who watch your channel.
Ivan, you're a master!!!
Great work, and really good way to learn something new, I look at it the same way sometimes we spend a little more of our own time to learn for future. Had a 2021 toyota CH-R that would not power on and to get it to just get ignition on had to change immo box, ID box, and steering lock, new oem parts and then program 2 keys to get ignition to turn on.( they had to be changed as one unit so they would register at the same time tried changing immo box and failed to turn on that's when I found out about the rest and can NOT be used units.) And I believe on your case it must af been a programming issue, bcm fault and ghost detecting key ( not a joke ) bcm glitch in programming would detect interference from other rf signals and power on thinking it was a key nearby, and after reprogramming it got its full ID back between key and immobilizer and would not accept rf interference from what ever was causing it. Hope that makes sense. Like in some spots you may have problems with proximity key to start car and have to put key against button to start and then later is all back to normal its because that spot may have strong rf signals that interfere with key immobilizer signal.
Every vehicle has different options and and you just have to check out all features in depth. I have mastered an easy vehicle 05 Saturn. And still learning and 16 Cruze. Thanks Ivan. I’ve learned a lot and still learning.
Good job. Hope the next module you calls you examine it physically.
Need more of this
I could sense the frustration through the screen. Fingers crossed it's "fixed."
Ivan its good to have lots of patience when dealing with these sorts of issues. I once had a customer who brought his own factory plastic fob key to add to his other immobilizer keys and wanted them all programmed. Regardless of what I did, that one key would not be recognized and after about an hour of repeating the programming steps, I told them it must be a basic blank. I got one from the parts dept and it programmed perfectly so I suggested the molded plastic head be cut open on his key. Sure enough it had no module in the key shank hole, it was just a basic non immobi key.
Haven't finished the video yet, Ivan's going outside the box, gotta love it, Wil he succeed? Buckle up, if there's a way, I think he'll find it.
You got it right Ivan, Learn from your losses, and celebrate your victories
I had a very similar problem in a Honda. Loving the fix, my new Subaru 2010 model
Amazing work Ivan. Vaguely reminds me of trying to diagnose/repair a PC after a suspected power surge/dirty power/lightning near-miss. And you're exactly right. On the face of this job, "you lost money". OTOH, taking your time and digging deeply into it (out of technical curiosity) you essentially got paid for 5-6 hours of "class time"/memorable/helpful experience. I've done the same thing for customers. Very interesting. Thank you and well done sir. This channel is going to continue to grow.
PS: My '09 Frontier (fairly basic, no gingerbread) never looked so good as I pondered what modules could fail in the future.
Wow, wow, wow the repair Gods were with you on this one. FM that's all I can say.
Really enjoyed watching the video(s). Good news, i hope it stays fixed! I have had good luck un-plugging modules leave it set for a few hours and re-connecting! That was cool how you figured out how to powerup the replacement BCM.