Why New Cars SUCK (Ford Fusion STUCK in PARK?! - Part 2)
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2023
- When all else fails (including calling Keith DeFazio), it's time for the PARTS CANNON!
Choice 1: Gear Shift Module (GSM) or
Choice 2: Transmission Range Control Module (TRCM)?
Lots of juicy bonus footage included ;)
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Enjoy the pain!
Ivan - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Now this video is out, Ivan just saved many many customers so much money in diagnosis fees and parts cannon costs and it only cost Ivan several hours of his skilled time. Kudos and bravo to Ivan.
1000% TRUTH👍👍👍
And everyone who encounters this same problem in the future owes Ivan a big thank you.Maybe even donate a little $$ his way for the training that we all got for free
Several hours of diag, when a traditional shift lever would have cost Ivan maybe a half hour. Necessary diagnosis on something that is unnecessary. Just like push button start, cylinder deactivation and stop-start, which add a ton of complication for things that are of very little benefit.
I hope he charged the dealer the full amount! Obviously, even the dealer isn't smart enough to understand how their product works.
Bad move - Just because THIS problem happens to be one option does not mean the next one won't be one of the other possibilities. It means you can narrow it down faster but don't assume that what ails one vehicle is going to ail them all.
Ivan, that little pawl that was sitting under the housing, right were the spring connects its supposed to be out of the housing not in. It only goes in the housing when the small single motor activates the cam and pulls the pawl down some. The unit got over extended and now the timing is off. Its “home pisition is on that tab about the 11 o’clock position when the small motor is at the 12. If you spap things back into place, it should work and pass its “home position test”. The chip determines the home position by forcing rotation of the motors against the stop and watching for a current rise. Just like an electronic throttle body does its check.
We are resorting ti opening these units too because if the shortage. And check this out, we at the local mother ship do not have any more “software access” to this module then what you do. The Mexico mothership does. Sickenning.
That's interesting. I read on some forum that you had to have the trouble codes to properly diagnose this problem, but you have to have access to a special scanner or scanner software to access these codes. Flys in the face of DIY repairs, let alone professional diagnosticians, repairs!
Excellent information. I was beginning to think that maybe one of the motors had burnt out. But your explanation seems spot on.
Thanks for the detail on that. So it was an input problem from the module.
I knew it was a pawl. Either an actual one on the drum, or a baby plastic pawl!! lol.
Thanks for that really great explanation on how this device works. When Ivan pondered over where the position sensor is I went back over the vid looking for more wires and maybe a proximity switch. Not seeing any I thought maybe it it's monitoring current but ended up deciding, naw, it's got to be simpler and more positive design. Son of a gun, nope they made it complicated and sketchy. So is the small motor that controls the movable plate a stepper?
As car's become increasingly autonomous I suppose we're going to continue to see subassemblies become increasingly complex. Not that this vehicle is autonomous, but no doubt Ford is trying to stabilize their inventory across all model lines as the transition plays out. In the process reliability will suffer and we'll have to put up with nonsense like this until more cleverly designed simplified systems are devised to do the same job at a fraction of the cost, weight, and failure rate. Look at the evolution of computers. Every industry goes through its growing pains, but because of it, someday our grandchildren are going to look at us and say, "wow, you actually drove a car with a steering wheel and foot peddles!"
My transmission range control module is comprised of my left foot and my right hand. And I'm keeping it that way for as long as possible.
You and me both
Same here
You described my two girlfriends as well.
Great comment 👌😁
Note to self..instead of flipping a " parts cannon coin, heads or tails" just call the dealer and ask for both parts. the one on back order gets statistically more likely
Wouldn't be out of stock if other weren't buying them up...there's a reason they sell out of one part.
In other words...the part thats on backorder is the likely culprit
Of course it's on back order. They're breaking left and right. By the way we've been seeing a lot of Ford Focus DPS6 transmissions in our shop. The reason I'm mentioning it is because the first time we ran into this issue we were a bit stuck on the diagnoses. But what happens is the transmission shift fork gears have a stop that's built into the casting of the transmission case. That stop breaks off. And so the gears can't find their stop points. And you lose all gear engagement. The way you know is that there's an inspection cover for both gears. Remove them and if you can turn the gears infinitely that case is broken. The solution? Remove transmission. Install new case. Crazy.
Dual clutch is garbage... I won't touch them 😅
Edwin, when you say remove the inspection covers and turn the gears are you referring to removing the A and B shift motors and using the Ford tool (in the clutch kit) to run the shift fork gears in both directions? There is obviously quite a bit documented about all the various issues with the DPS6 transmission but what you're describing above is one I don't see much info on ..... at least for the general public. Is there a TSB for the broken case stops? I'm assuming the aforementioned broken case stops were likely not the issue on Ivans car or else the problem would have repeated itself?
Good info to know. 👍 Those DPS6's are my bread & butter. I've done alot of clutch kits on them have never seen that gear issue( knock on wood)
@Greg On the side of the transmission, or if you're looking at it outside the car it would be the back of the transmission, there are 2 plugs that can be removed. As soon as you remove them you'll see spur gears. The components you're referring to isn't what I'm talking about. Those yes you use to sst the clutch for first relearn of the touch points. Those are for the clutch forks. The ones I'm referring to are for the shift drums that control the shift forks.
Lemme guess. The case is on back order too, right?
Sometimes thats the only choice left is the most probable "parts cannon part replacement" vs customer wait downtime. As for a 2017 automobile having a parts back order and your number 500 + on the wait list. We are headed for a big wait on the availability of everything from toilet paper, OSB plywood, to currently eggs! Take me back pre pandemic days!
It's only getting started. So get comfortable for the collapse
@@JohnDoe-ef3wo Made in Mexico but it must have parts of it made in China. Once someone figures out what part went bad there will be a cottage industry fixing them.
Thanks Biden !!!!
@@hikerJohn I agree. Mexico doesn't have the industrial might.
Our youth in America (on the whole, not individually) are lazy, uninspired, uneducated and have no desire to work. They have been conditioned to get a trophy for losing, go home and play video games, then get some kind of check (welfare, “disability”, Covid relief, non-ending unemployment) from the government and call it a day. Not sure you want anything that is “made in USA” anymore, it’s not going to be much better than anything else.
This contraption is a fine example of Rube Goldberg machine. What baffles is that it passed all the steps through conception, approval, design, prototyping, and commercial production. I am thinking of all the engineers and management teams giving a nod that it is a great idea. Let's implement.
I do find it hard to believe that any one engineer said OK. Representatives of shareholders said OK.
When you see the CONTINENTAL ECM you know Ford had the opportunity to select from a rich pannel of pretested failures 😁
Having been in this field (development and implementation) I can absolutely tell you that 90% of the time, all the engineers are on the same side as all of you. It is ALWAYS the bean counters that convince corporate on either an initial production savings, a long term service revenue (fixing it down the road), or the ability to sell more units by promoting additional “safety”. Once corporate (very few in corporate started life as engineers) makes their decision, you as the engineer press forward with the company decision. So please….stop blaming the engineers…their bosses are making the decisions and the bean counters are who they listen to the most!
Where was the person who was supposed to say 'This is stupid?'
I think the engineers deserve some of the blame in this case. Look how complicated that actuator assembly is. Three motors, two circuit boards. A simple RC servo like design would have probably worked fine.
The stress of electronic auto diagnosis, pressed with time is money, is unique. You can go from sailing strong to sunk in a flash. A mistake can cost thousands in needless parts. The complexity grows faster than understanding. Keep in mind, airplane drive by wire has 3 redundant paths. Great job!
I can't believe I called it in Part 1. I was going off the sound of the TRCM. I once worked on a start/stop station with limit switch for travel ranges that did a very similar thing. It was part hunch, part experience, and part lucky guess with some knowledge of what you had already tried. I'm happy to see you fought through that trying problem.
You and me brother
Yea I was really surprised he tried replacing the nob after the first video. Seem d pretty obvious to me where the problem was.
@@joshg1244 I think Ivan thought the "brains" of that system were in the console. I at first thought so as well. It took until the very end of Part 1 for me to think hard on it. And I'm far from being 100% on anything. I can cut a guy a break.
I was certain Ivan was gonna call that piece of garbage in the fenderas I did.
Here as well. I've been watching lots of Ivan's videos and this is the first time I've ever been able to identify the faulty part before he did. I feel like I should be celebrating a victory or something, lol.
While still watching the video: is it possible that the TRCM motor is trying to rotate the opposite way? No, it was a mechanically locked. Nice to see you overcome this absurd trap, Ivan!
Undocumented, unnecessary and over expensive complication by Ford, just because! And they're on a long back order!! The TRCM teardown was the juicy part of this video :-)
I guess the motor position is sensed by increased current when hitting the stop positions (widely used in other applications, to avoid sensors or stop switches).
This is the mother of all overcomplicated systems! And just to replace a manual lever, that was just too simple for the minds of modern automotive engineers.
Really makes me think to keep my Ford Ranger 2005 5 speed manual with 65,000 miles instead of getting rid of it just because it is old. And I only live a couple hours from State College PA, lol. I have been told surface rust underneath only, frame solid but needs some overdue maintenance of fluids. After watching this video, I am thinking the new Maverick is NOT the way to go. *** THANK YOU *** for all the wonderful replies ... I will take the advice and appreciate it.
Dont buy yourself a new problem
Please keep it, please save yourself a lot of money and trouble 😅!
You just getting it broken in!
If you're not in the rust belt, you can run the Ranger for a long time!
Keep it, spend a little money on any minor work it needs. Sell it when it becomes an antique. 😊
Very much enjoyed this one, albeit at your expense. it brought back memories of similar stressful trbl shooting and loss of sleep at remote locations (digital turbine controls; the aerospace industry wasn't immune to bizarre failures). Another well done, and thanks for the extended teardown. As always, in the end something is learned.
Fixing that was a huge pain in the ass,I could feel your frustration ,you will probably see many more of these in years to come,great video Ivan
you saved a lot of mechanics' time in the future by doing this video. lots of value added
keep adding more stuff to fix things that are not a problem but make sure it is made of plastic so it will self destruct post warranty. great patience and skills as always.
Great job there Ivan yeah I agree there are way too many controls on all these vehicles way too much we will have to D -technologicalize ourselves also I've heard some real horror stories about the Ford clutch control module where the lever is no longer a controlling the clutch it is a motor like this thing had what do we have to do!!. As a retired mechanic I really like the idea of being retired with all this technology that's being thrown at us for no reason at all and the sad part of it is the customers gotta pay for it it's absolute garbage and the companies are totally in control of us go to the dealer my every scan tool on the market for every customer for every car made absolutely putting us out of business Needless to say the frustration level is off the chart if you built it you should be able to diagnose how to fix it God bless you there Ivan
Yep. After 45 years of this retirement is bliss. Can’t imagine the stress level on new car techs. I suspect most dealer techs fire parts cannon. Warranty time usually gives them less than an hour to diagnose 😳
This certainly was a good one Ivan. I personally have not run into this problem yet. The closest job to this I had was with a mini coper clubman 500. The customer complaint was the radio and hvac had stopped working and no crank / no start. The no crank / no start issue was because the transmission was stuck in drive. It had developed a short in the shifter knob and in effect, melted the connector and wire harness going to it and thankfully blew the fuse for it in the nick of time. This same fused circuit also powers the radio and hvac system. They later stated that the cabin filled with smoke while driving. It looked like someone spilled a sticky, syrupy drink onto the center console and it almost burned the car to the ground. Shift by wire is stupid IMHO. I hate them.
These car will also catch fire and burn you to death if you run into a house
Thanks for this case study, Ivan. I completely agree that this is not only over-engineering but also insufficient, incomplete engineering. I enjoyed the “autopsy” bonus footage a lot. I also like to ‘save these screws’ and such. Thanks.
That transmission shift system falls under the category of what I call "Needless Levels of Complexity".
Shift by wire = stupid. But unfortunately a lot of cars are going to it. And if you work on a lot of Euros you're used to it by now. As you stated this is a learning experience. It's always like that. You get something you've never seen. It kicks your ass. Then when you finally have the answer it all seems so obvious. Good work brother. I'm always thankful for you, Mario and Eric. I'm constantly updating my diagnostic techniques based on the knowledge nuggets you guys put out there. Still see guys that don't know how to use a scope. And in some ways I sometimes feel like I overstate the importance of having that particular. But I think it's extremely important. To me it's not just knowing how to use a scope properly. It's that knowing how to use one also expands your understanding of how things work. Went on a tangent there. Anyway thanks for the content.
Should be called "sh!t by wire" instead,
Thank you for your support Edwin 🙂👍
it isn't really shift by wire, it's just a servo pulling a regular shift cable, a useless needless overlay by ford...
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics He's right about the scope. Anyway, the reason this system is used is there's a self park option on some of Fords vehicles. The car has to be able to shift on its own. There is also a recall on the transmission cable bushing. The bushing itself gets replaced, along with a cap that covers the end of the cable.
Also, I'm not sure if you realized that this car has 2 brake switches. On your scanner, it showed information on brake switch number 2. I know the problem was elsewhere on this vehicle, but its very common to have issues with them. If you go into data logger and look at the PID's for the shift interlock system, the brake switches are labeled BOO1 and BOO2.
If you work on a lot of Fords, it would be worth it to get IDS and FDRS. They use the same hardware, and the cost if fairly reasonable compared to most other brands. Ford is obsessed with making complicated designs. Way more than any of the other mainstream car brands. I work for them. All of our experienced techs are leaving for other brands and are being replaced with lube techs.
But it only takes 3 or 4 scanners because one can't do them all, unfortunately.
Pretty sure that small motor moves that cam plate and allows the shifter to shift. There must be a sensor on/near that small motor that responds when the park lock has actuated. That would explain why your calibration test didn't work because the "safety" lock never unlocked -would also explain your scan tool PID never changing. My guess is that cheap little motor or a mosfet gave up. That module looks like something BMW would do. Great video.
BMW's sihft by wire controls transmission valve body directly, no stupid shift modules involved.
Always be skeptical, never trust and never forget you know more about the situation you're in than any manual writer or software programmer did when they wrote their things. I was always cursed with solving the "hard-to-solve problems" when working at Ford dealership(Other OEMs are the same, I am sure). I always got the thing solved but guess what? When the shop is flat rate and there is a problem vehicle, the best you get is so-called "straight time"....Time and materials really. Others around you are making 2X+ what you are but, you're solving the problems. Yes, I am very very glad to be out of that business. I do appreciate the thinking part of it though. That's why I watch your vids. Vids weren't around when I was doing what you are. Thanks for sharing the pains.
Brother I was your counterpart at a Chrysler Dealer. The "More you know the less you get paid" scenario. No incentive to continue learning. Flat rate should be abolished in this and age. After watching apprentices taking home bigger paychecks doing brakes and front end work I finally walked from the trade as well. Mangers couldn't care less and would admonish me for not helping out the lesser experienced mechanics on my time and dime. Sad seen a lot really good mechanics leave the trade. Love Ivan's videos they show exactly why flat rate doesn't work.
I couldn't imagine working for a dealer... Probably wouldn't last a day 🤣
I appreciate these videos about cases where you had to struggle to diagnose a problem.
Not all diagnoses are easy.
Fine example of remaining focused on the related diagnostic data and not getting distracted by misc issues that may also exist. Thanks for sharing!
Reminds of bmws when a door isn't closed and it shunts it back in park. Pain when doors are closed and the contacts fussing up the inputs which only sometimes showed on scan tool. New cars you can keep until the bugs are sorted thanks 👍
Service info leaves alot to be desired somethings.great job always a learning experience Ivan.
I agree Ivan, there is no advantage at all with the gear selector knob sending a signal to an overly complicated module with motors in it to drive a cable that a simple cable operated gear selector could do, Absolutely crazy!
Wow. Interesting autopsy. Was hoping to see something broke or stripped but with such a complicated mechanism , that could turn into a mini series. It would seem to Me that a simple rack & pinion system could have been designed to do the task, but what do I know. That had to be a scary price for that part! Nice work Ivan.👍👍
Why not this unit attached to the transmission run by wire and leave out the linkages? Simple but sidesteps towing perhaps when needed?
Did You notice the size of it?
@@brianw8963 yeah about the size and weight of a big starter 🤣 What a joke!
This kind of functionality is inside of a lot of transmissions. IMHO, Ford moved it out of the transmission, maybe because it was a known failure point. It's a double edge sword, since having this in the transmission means a trans out rebuild or a new transmission. I think the reason why Ivan did not find this more quickly is that the ThinkTools scanner has the wrong label on the PID......
@@larrybe2900 This feels like an add-on to an existing drivetrain. There may not have been room on the transmission. The placement of the device suggest they were concerned about surviving engine bay temperatures.
Ivan you’re an excellent mechanic.. always enjoy your videos no matter what you’re working on!!
Glad you got it figured out. You called it in the last video when you said it was a mechanical issue with no codes.
Interesting case study. Thanks for sharing.
But yet the car new there was a problem and locked up the shift nob, so if the system detected an error why didn't flag a code. I hope ford fixed the error code in later models.
Thanks Ivan. I really enjoyed watching this repair as I too have a car with an electronic shift lever that I can't abide. Although my car has a newer designed pistol grip type controller, the previous model had a rotary knob like the Fusion, and I'm sure both have a similar TRCM to act as the replacement 'muscle' that was needed to operate the older mechanical type shift levers. So very useful knowledge to have. 👍
Wow this thing is a real piece of work! That TRCM did sound strange when trying to initialize.
Really appreciate your input on the discipline of sticking with the diag, even though you may be over your quoted time/LBR or Money for a missed diag'd part. The learning experience and knowledge is what we truly after!
Thanks again Ivan for sharing!
Thank you Ivan! Helps us jump ahead when we encounter the same issues. Reminds me of some of the craziness I found on 80’s cars during the transition from carb to injection. Senseless of Ford to approve of that design. All about the $. Using a cheap manual shift transmission valve (old tech) with motorized cable control so they can look like a computer controlled trans…. 😂
I could almost taste the frustration.
But you stuck with it even with some parts cannon misfires.
Nice😁
Thanks for the video, there was a service bulletin about the shift bushings. Take care of yourself and family and be Blessed Ivan ❤️❤️👍.
I really appreciated the method to solving the problem, more than the solution itself. You're talented at this auto diagnosis stuff. Just to fill you in on some specifics, the 2 PWM signals are backup signals for the CAN bus. The 2 PWM signals are compared with the CAN signal for agreement. This was an interim changeover from cable to SBW. The new trans was not ready so the TRCM was a intermediate solution. A fully SBW system wouldn't have had a bushing to break or a cable to get stuck. As an example, the throttle abandoned using a cable a long time ago because a cable was not as reliable as having the accelerator pedal just be a sensor. Many shifters that people think are mechanical are SBW that simply emulate an old fashioned shifter. My biggest fear isn't the electronics, it's software. It can be updated but never be bug free. It's what I fear most when I get on a plane. I enjoyed the teardown of the TRCM. It's way more complicated and bulky than I imagined. That small brushed DC motor actuated the BTSI and that's probably where it all went sideways.
I think the small motor operates that cam plate to allow for fine adjustment of the trans shift positions during it's learn process. If not for fine adjustment, it may be some sort of P position locking detent.
Possibly the small motor is what is being powered up when you put the key in that shift over-ride slot in the centre console when it allows the controller to work momentarily?
Theory being, the small motor moves the cam plate which moves that lever, and in turn the lever unlocks the main shift assembly...dunno, just more stupid complexity really🤷
Thank you for showing me a car I will never ever buy. You’ve saved me thousands!
I admire your honesty Ivan. Love your content no one knows everything but it's takes balls to take this kind of calls keep doing it bro cheers
Kansas City Auto Electric here, Thank you so much for posting this video. I have not run into this particular situation yet, however, I am sure one will be coming my way. I could not agree with you enough. These cars are way too over-reliant on technology. I truly believe they would rather spend more money trying to reinvent the wheel as they want the car proprietary software dependent. I would have done the same exact thing you did. The second you saw the new part fail as well I immediately suspected the other part. Just like you I also sometimes get so focused on that one issue it is so easy not to see the big picture. I really enjoy watching your videos as you clearly know what you are doing and it is nice to see someone else pull their hair out for a change...lol
There was to be much to be learned here and I admire that you shared your frustrations and the first part not being the correct one. I’ve been a home remodeling contractor for 47 years and some things didn’t work out over the years so I bought another miscellaneous item and continued the project until the outcome was what I needed to achieve. The customer is happy and they’ll never know what we went through.
*BONUS* comment Ivan, I was on a Nissan Frontier forum this morning and they were discussing a no start issue and one member linked your no start video of the Suzuki Equator with the 20 degree no start situation.
I see you have a very far reach to viewers.
Pretty cool
keeping it simple will keep it reliable , what a disaster of a setup , great video always enjoy watching
It's being done by design. Nothing last like it did back in the day. Everything from overpriced car's and trucks, washing machines, refrigerator's etc.All 💩
Very good series upload and diag. Also, so thankful my Fusion has the normal shifter and not the rotary dial. Props to you Ivan, learned a lot on this one!!
My 6-speed stick with manual E-brake handle has never looked so good. Thanks Ivan.
Watching Ivan inspection of the shift motor makes me think as a child he drove his parents crazy tearing apart the household appliances to see how they work! LMAO 🤣 🤣
My toys didn't stand a chance. They rarely made it more than a week before I tore them apart to see how they worked. Luckily I got better at putting them back together before my parents found them 🙂
My parents hated that.. toys, appliances, electronics...
Tweakers are all over that!
LOL. If so, that contributed positively to him being the excellent diag tech he is today!
I was that child, and now when I fix things for them, they take credit for allowing me to do so.
I was so far off on the first half. Always learn something with every one of your post. Thanks again.
It seriously blows my mind that vehicle had no trouble codes or warnings Indicating a issue with the trans range motor, especially after attempting the maunal override. It did make strange noises, but alot of vehicles make strange noises these days. In a situation like that I would have fired a new GSM at it as well since it only takes a second to swap out. If that don't work basically all thats left is the range motor. So excellent work far as I'm concerned PH. Also Thanks for taking the time to show the workings PID data after the repair, I work on alot of fords so that's valuable info to me! 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching ????? How about THANKS for sharing. No, I don't own this type car, BUT, the amount of future repairs done by mechanics will find this video PRICELESS. Well, Uber is probably making out with over 500 cars waiting on this part.
Way to go on this one, Ivan. If you're stumped, then what do you think how we weekend car guys feel? SOL I guess.
Do you think a Ford scanner would have pick this up? That's the only scanner you haven't tried. Great learning experience. All this for auto park when drivers door is opened when in gear.
Thanks Ivan,my wife drives same m and m.I will see if my mac mentor(otc) has any diagnostics for trcm.The exit diagnostic was also very helpful
love those rubber bushings. the one in my car disintegrated and the cable came out. was not able to put it in D or anything. was able to remove the center console and put the cable back in. that is how I was able to go home. the thing is the manufacturer only sells the entire cable, not the bushing. luckily was able to find online one bushing for $20
A few weeks ago a customer brought in a 2010 fusion just to get some codes and no scan tool I had could communicate with the ECM, local dealership couldn't either, not surprised you didn't have any codes.
Can't talk to the ECM?? That's a problem 😅
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Funny thing though engine ran perfectly fine 😜.
Looks like you are the 2nd person to replace this, I am surprised they didn't just use a linear actuator right on the transmission.
Or just a stepper motor or a servo connected to the arm receiving the cable.
Great job Ivan. Always look forward to your videos.
Ivan, thank you again for your time, just wanted to let you know how much we appreciate your help with today's car's..
check the capacitors because if they were shot then the motor will not have enough juice to turn and pull the cable. you can measure the rated Mfu.
Oh suuuuure...
Thinking the same
Gotta love cheap caps.
its not the caps...
Wouldn't a blown capacitor make a smell?
You mentioned there being no sensor on that assembly. Seems to me that's the reason why there were no codes. They just didn't put a position sensor on the corresponding moving parts so that the ecu can monitor that and consequently throw a code for what does not agree.
And that is the problem. The "geniuses", with all their wisdom, didn't bother to build in a method to know when it's broken after they had built an overly-complicated, no-cable gear shift system to replace a perfectly fine cabled shift system. They removed a couple parts to add a couple hundred. These people are NOT stable geniuses! LOL
I agree. When it was in adjustment mode, the module was trying to find its "home" position by spinning all the way backwards until it couldn't go any further. Since one of the gears appeared to be stripped, dislodged or misaligned, the motors were just spinning forever because they were driving nothing, meaning the unit would never find its home detent.
A simple potentiometer or a set of limit switches would have prevented this to begin with, if there was a mechanical failure, the module would know nothing was moving even though there was current flowing through the motors.
Hey Ivan, I repair medical equipment at an Hospital my old boss used to say “if it was easy anyone could do it”. I guess I’m odd man out here I enjoy new cars. I like all of the gadgets and electronics they have. I’m fortunate enough to be able to replace them every three/four years.
Yeah if you're rich then obviously it's not your problem, but for the rest of us these things are nothing but a pain in the ass.
Matt I am far from rich, my wife and I work our asses off and we were not blessed with children so we have a few extra dollars to spend.
Beautiful. Thank you. Nice view of the road.
I think a group of engineers had a big budget and spent it over engineering the POS part or...they were getting kick backs from the supplier :)
Here in the uk, you buy an electrical componet like that, you own it. Vary rarely can you return them as they could potentially get damaged from another faulty component.
Ain't that a fact. Amazes me how often I see CZcams shops in the US routinely return no fault items through a mis-diag.
I wish all mechanics were so dedicated and tenacious like this guy. Very helpful video. I hope this is what is wrong with my Ford FUSION.
Thank you Ivan. I admire your tenacity and cool under fire!
Can someone explain to me how this design is considered "automotive progress" ??? Another amazing experience Ivan.
Clearly the more beep boop parts the more future.
It's designed for people who can't think for themselves and lack common sense to put it in park before you get out of the car or put your foot on the brake and not the accelerator before you put it in gear.
@@SuperBuzzbomb Except it's going to train some (mostly new) drivers that they don't need to put the trans into park before exiting the vehicle (think food delivery drivers). Then when they start driving a vehicle which doesn't do that.....crunch!
You would think it would set some sort of limit switch codes or something. You’d think with a system like that it would make sense to have limit switches built into a bidirectional module especially for a system so important. Toyota 4wd system at least has limit switches you can use to diagnose shifting problems since you don’t have 4wd ecus Atleast in the older models.
I took apart a landscape lighting timer that the dial didn't advance with the time. I literally found one grain of sand stuck between the teeth on the plastic gears. One grain of sand stopped it dead.
What a journey and great information for yourself and many others. I will confess however ,that I was convinced of the failure in the first video... As soon as I heard the noise coming from the TRCM , I tried yelling at you the check it further or replace it . I am NOT a mechanic ,but I guess mechanically inclined !!
Actually the point about the sound unit makes, is a good one. When the manuals are not providing the answer and no trouble code, the solution could be recording the sound of the actuator and compare it to the working one. Car dealerships might have similar used car and it's quick to record and compare. Now we know the sound of Focus module, but for the next time with so another car..
2024 they add sensors to detect if you put your hand out of the window and automatically put the car on park.... Or something. How on earth they are still able to sell a hammer or ladder to general public and not get sued?
Yeah I definitely didn't think it was time to call the shifter. That BCM signal needed to be diagnosed.
I know from experience that when the ac controls are disconnected on a newer f150 that the damper actuators can break when they advance out of range. Expensive lesson learned.
Awesome video like to watch you trouble shoot. I'm an electronic technician by trade so I love this stuff. Thanks
Perhaps a fault in another module is disabling selection, maybe the ABS fault? Installing the new unit, I would try putting it in various positions in case there’s a mismatch between the stored expected, and the actual selected. Beyond that, I would be at a loss since I don’t have those fancy tools.
Edit: Parts cannon hit it’s target. 👍 Crazy no fault code, process of elimination.
@Jonathan A Yes sir, I saw that. Comment before the edit was only a couple minutes in.
If Ivan feels shift by wire is stupid he’s going to be shocked by a lot of newer vehicles as they age out of manufacture warranty
Future ,no one will be able to get parts for these cars !!!
Really enjoyed this adventure. Ford has a recall for the bushing that failed. Recently had it replaced on my 2016 fusion.
Hey Ivan thanks for posting this video. I have a few of those vehicles of that vintage at my work. Now I know what to go after if I run into this issue.
The new "safety overide" (if you open the door backing up without being belted, it goes into Park), drives you cray when you're trying to back up in a tight garage.
You can use mirrors or stick your head out the window lol
Even worse. I work in a body shop. If the latch or the door is removed (for repair reasons) you can not move the car by driving it.
Tell me you don’t know how to drive without telling me you don’t know how to drive 🤣
@@christophervanzetta Sounds like you've never had to back your car into a tight garage with three other cars that you're trying not to hit.
I'm guessing the moving plate is the range adjustment mechanism? So it would be the small motor which you heard during the learn procedure, winding up the small plastic gears. Those two larger motors are a standard size, you see that type of motor in all kinds of small appliances and they are pretty cheap. I am surprised to see something that looks like an off the shelf appliance motor in such an assembly! I wonder if using two is supposed to serve as redundancy?
I was wondering whether two motors were needed to supply enough torque. One larger motor might have made the unit physically too large.
@@howarthcd it's already overly bulky 😂
Me and my th350 sitting here looking at each other laughing our ass off.
'Made the wrong call' - I'm pretty sure those wouldn't be my words in this situation.
10:47 I used to work in a CAD software company. Every time Microsoft released their latest version of Windows, it was a mad scramble to identify what parts of the OS they had 'improved' and why it meant our software no longer worked or misbehaved and how to work round it.
25:11 the designer slipped up, didn't specify any left-handed threads randomly.
26:12 and they wonder why there's a chip supply shortage
Darwinism indeed.
I kind've understand why they did this. Push button start increases the possibility of someone exiting the vehicle and forgetting to put it in park.
At least with keyed ignition, you have to put it in park to get your key out of the igntion.
IDK still way too much engineering. Lol
Thank you for posting, great job as always.
Exactly why they did it this way. Someone I think it was in Massachusetts ran them selves over and sued. They said that the car should have auto parked.
Wouldn't it be simpler to disable the start button if it's not in park AND you haven't got your foot on the brake?
Push start feature is not worth all the extra problems to solve.
@@dreadnaught2707 it's about you leaving it in drive,, taking your seat belt off and opening the door. The idea was that it would auto park if that happened
Ah, right.
Step Zero: check for national backorder!
LOL 😂
sadly - not a bad idea. I'm still perplexed as to WHY Ford would make something so complicated and dependent for a function that would only require, Lord help us, HUMAN input, a lever and a cable. Was this, as Ivan pointed out, all to allow the tranny be forced into park if a door was open?
I have to believe you opened this up right away .. I couldn’t have waited to video it.
When “idiot proof” goes idiotic! 😮 Hell, they didn’t even use brushless motors .. I give up😅
How many other vehicle makes might this issue be related to? Dodge shift knob comes to mind. Nice to see that you figured it out.. Thanks Ivan for the bonus footage of the tear-down, from a fellow geek!
PS - I dig the Orion sticker on your bench wall. Brings back memories of car audio competitions.
I think I would have run the test on the new motor to understand what it should sound like and watch the actuator arm.
The next question is.......how is it that you can't get the part from a dealership but you can find and purchase one on ebay?
Perhaps the assembly workers were partially paid in "product" ?
So glad we got to see the teardown. Thanks!
When/if either of my Toyotas have serious problems, I won’t blink an eye at picking up a Think Tools Pro scanner. Seems it will pay for itself in just a few hours of use. Great job Ivan!
Hi man, dont stress about changing the wrong part initially! We all do that, just not too many talk about it! Speaking of that design, it remind me of older GM wiper motor, cant be more mickey mouse that that!🤣. Thanks ford engeneers for bringing food on mechanics tables👍
We used to call it a hard reset, get a 40oz glass bottle and a piece of of tee-shirt about 3" wide by 18" long , fill the bottle with whatever kind of gas you like stuff half the rag in there turn it upside down for a few seconds then light the rag and this part is very important throw the bottle at the car, problem solved
Ivan my wife and I loved the dissembling trcm bonus sarcasm! Engineers brilliant ideas aren’t so great are they.
As much as we harp on the "don't be a parts changer" mantra, there are occasions where even the best diagnostics give unclear direction. Bravo to you to post your experience!
If I won the lottery I wouldn't buy a vehicle newer than a 2008.
I wouldn't go beyond 95
This is why I buy and drive stick shift only.
@@BigMacIIx I guess you'll never buy new again as the stick shift is largely obsolete in the realm of the industries mindset.
@@pl5624 Most Japanese entries cars from Honda, Toyota, Subaru and Nissan are available with stick shift. But I’m pretty sure my 17 Legacy will be my last ICE car. I don’t mind get rid of the whole transmission non-sense with direct driven electric car.
Same here, except my wife wanted a new vehicle. So she bought a new toyota rav4 hybrid xle
It's the idiocy and hypocrisy of the Nanny State. They're trying to fix stupid people and they never will. Even worse, they make vehicles heavier and more complex all the while demanding better fuel mileage! Damn them to hell. Really enjoyed this one Ivan. Thanks! (PS, I think I would have made a junk yard run to find a used motor.)
I just traded up from a 2012 to a 2022 GM truck. It blew my mind how complex the new one is. Heaven forbid I have too many problems, I’ll go find a square body somewhere.
I love the attitude. We always called this tuition. Learning curve costs you now but returned dividends later.
Looks like a great way for manufacturers to begin testing the tech so that when you are forced to buy an ev, later you will be forced to have a self driving ev. The knob will be deleted and gear selection remotely controlled. I also anticipate mandated ridesharing once that’s complete. Great video as always 👍
Ivan,I feel for you but what would we do without guys like you.Great job, great vid
We all make bad calls on our diagnostic so don't let it get you down. I have been watching your channel for nearly a year now and this is the first bad call I have ever seen you make. So I would say y out are doing better than 99% of the techs out there. Wish I could be that accurate with my diagnostics.
Now this series comes right on time I have that exact same vehicle on the shop right now with almost the same problem shift cable is broken and will have to wait till it comes in and see
Add another marvel of modern day ingenuity to the dung heap! The guy who put the starter under the manifold in the Cadillac Northstar is still laughing! 😆
I wanted to wait for this video solution. That was my original thought on what was wrong, but all the times in the past when I tried to guess what was wrong, I was always wrong, lol. I got one right. Good Job Ivan.