Ford Battery DEAD...in the RAIN?? (F150 EcoBoost P0620 P065B)
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Oh this is a fun customer complaint on his 2015 Ford F150 EcoBoost:
"My battery is DEAD in the morning...only after driving in the RAIN!"
WHAT??
I can't recreate the problem, but there are some interesting codes stored:
P0620 Generator Control Circuit
P065B Generator A Control Circuit Range/Performance
Let's do some research on what might cause this weird intermittent battery drain in the rain...
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Hi Ivan, big shout out and Kudos to CZcams members for the videos of their findings helping you sort this problem out quicker, we know you would have found it in the end, but it makes everyones day when we all help each other. Many many thanks from UK.
Totally agree with the U-TUBE videos; being a mechanic from the now "dinosaur" days, getting to replace the cabin air filter on my 2006 Subaru Outback would have been VERY lengthy if not for someone posting a video(very few nuts, but lots of "snap-in" fasteners that aren't readily visible)
@@brucemadden1626 Hidden snap in fasteners are a pet peeve of mine. It's all a game of how much pressure to add and in what direction.
An interesting observation, pre repair, charge voltage 15.1V. Post repair 14.4. The 15.1V was a big red flag, talk about toasting the battery. :)
Its pretty common for newer cars to boost the voltage up to 15v occasionally as part of their smart charging strategy, I believe that the scanner said the desired voltage was about right.
My go to on a situation like this is to split an old radiator hose and use a foot or two piece of hose to slip all this harness in and keep it shielded over brackets like this and bending around corners, etc.. and Then I'll tape that shut. I've never had to go back on a repair like that again. Being shielded inside a thick rubber hose tends to keep wires safe for the life of the car-- even around hot exhaust. I make sure you tape it up well so it doesn't let water in.
I ran into the same “zoning” issue in My agricultural area. I built My garage just for “ personal “ use. The corruption begins at the lowest level and escalates from there. Just look at Our Dubois city manager debacle. It is nice that many share this automotive stuff and help others. Thanks for sharing Ivan. 👍👍🇺🇸
When I was a kid (in the seventies) and driving junk cars, I had to reinvent the wheel every time there was a problem. I obviously did not have the information that is now available on the internet. Needless to say, I learned a lot on my own.
This is exactly how I fixed our cars for the past 10 years. :)
Before I found you and eric O and scanner danner, etc. etc.. This is all I had. Forums and youtube videos.. If I couldn't find the wiring diagrams in google images, then I'd be in trouble. :) .. I've come so far since then in the past 3 or 4 years watching all you guys. The internet is such a valuable place when it comes to communities like this. I appreciate you brother.. You're a good teacher, and you guys are helping a lot more people than you realize. cheers --to more in the future.
and Watch Wes Work
@@tomtke7351 Yep, Wes too.. and Mario.. and diagnose Dan.. Automotive diagnostics and programming channel.. gadgets playlist.. and a few others. Everything seems so easy now when I work on cars. got myself a fancy scan tool, a scope and a bore scope. :) I could open a shop if I was ambitious enough
Thanks to the people that had the same problem putting it in Google for that one.
Thanks to Ivan for thinking of that resource and the great repair work.
Overall......Great one Ivan.
@PhillipBailey has some great Diag videos.
Thank you Ivan for taking us along for the Diag on this ford ecoboost.
Thanks!
Great job Ivan!👍 I appreciate that you gave credit to the two CZcamsrs that shared their experiences that helped point you in the right direction! Now more people will benefit from this information.
Those little handheld infrared thermometers have a little laser dot, which can be used as a pointer .. would make it clearer what you refer to sometimes ..
Great diagnostic, Ivan! Information sharing is fundamental to shorten diagnostic times - no point to re-invent the wheel, each time. You are surely doing your part on this.
They way the battery to alternator cable is exposed they are lucky that cable did not get rubbed through and grounded. Harness routing and mounting is important especially when working on buses, trucks and heavy equipment
Since you already have a business license to do car repairs, and you are very close to neighbors, you should be able to get a zoning variance to enlarge your garage area. If you are not adding more impervious area (asphalt or concrete parking) you should be okay to ask for a zoning variance. It would help if you get your nearest neighbors to provide a letter or sign the variance application saying that they do not have an issue with what you want to do.
Yes , there's less overheads involved running a workshop that size by yourself.
The employer who I worked for 20 years ago converted his old dairy shed into a workshop where he could rewind & overhaul electric motors which worked out well because he was working for himself.
He's was an electrical fitter/mechanic by trade whose now retired & he was making more money out of doing that & repairing commercial laundry equipment than he was out of running a dairy farm.
The farmers were only making $0.02 AUD per litre out of the milk !
Great job Ivan. A shout out to Phillip Bailey and his YT channel. I have been a subscriber to him for 7 years. He has great case studies, direct and to the point with some humor thrown in. Phil is also a member of Diagnostic Network.
Phillip Bailey CZcams channel is a GOLDMINE.
I agree been subbed for a while too! Really underrated channel.
Thanks for the support!
Cool! So the low current path to ground triggered the real current draw thru the alternator field.... Not your typical scenario!
The collective knowledge of the internet saved time in chasing down the location of the short. Excellent proof of that theory by simulating the conditions of the customer complaint!
Hi agree 100%
That same location on the 4.6 & 5.4 had a problem where when the passenger side motor mount would wear out and cause the engine to drop and pinch the crank senser wires between the a/c compressor and frame. Its a super intermittent stalling and crank, no start problem that will drive you and the customer crazy. If you aren't aware, you might want to note it.
Phillip is a friend of mine and my college teacher! Great tech
Philip Bailey was my instructor at the local college when I was in trade school.
Zoning issues in the middle of nowhere PA? Where the hell am I supposed to move?
The amount of research that is required on newer cars is mind boggling. I too wondered why you didn't build a larger shop, now we know.
My 1994 F150 has "Blind Spot Detection Modules". But we always called them "Mirrors" Mine has an aftermarket brake controller too. Its called "Coffee". It also has a 5 speed manual, mellinial anti-theft device. Oh, and it was paid off in 1999, and still runs perfect.
Phillip Bailey is a good technician. I see him on diagnostic Network from time to time
lived in a rural community in Tx until the nearby town decided to annex us for the tax revenue. Moved out far enough to avoid all those bs govt. busybodies. My boss has been trying to build a shop in the city of Dallas and it’s been a complete nightmare with all the various city inspections and requirements. Looks like you are in rural Pa, surprised that you have that much restriction on land use.
I'm only a mile away from the next county where the taxes are half and minimal zoning restrictions lol
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnosticsI'm thinking pole barn with one bay lift, purpose? To inspect underbelly of horses. 😋
It's getting harder to evade the clowns, seems their in every county
Lots of great info on the tube and the internet, but there is also a lot of misinformation so you have to always have a bit of caution. I like working out of a small shop, its much easier to keep organized and clean. Went from a large shop 10,000 square feet to a small two car in retirement and love it.
The internet database is growing, I love it! Great videos Ivan! I just fixed a Porsche Cayenne the green crusty wire drivers floor, @SuperMarioDiagnostics video was a huge help, for sure thanks to all who take the time to make videos!
Good work, Ivan. The inherent value of information/knowledge can hardly be overestimated.
Bro I’ve been marathoning your channel nonstop and I’m not even a mechanic!
Nice 😎👌
Hi Ivan i have seen one case where the battery dischaged over time becuse the top of the battery was wet and it discharced from one terminal to the other, cure was to clean the top of the battery lol..F.
Insight! Determination! Collaboration!
Yup. College Park Tractor, Beached Whale and Veterinary Vision Diagnostics.
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Love the videos man. Fixed my daughters car from a vid you did on a 2014 VW Jetta. Exact symptoms and fix. VVT adjustment magnet. No more misfires at idle. Thanks man
Hey Ivan, really a nice job! I have a couple of 150's that I maintain,will be looking into this. Thank you!!
Great job man! I believe the newer F250's have a similar issue where these wires that run below the crank inside of a wiring troft, end up with the green crusties also.
Thanks to all of you in solving the problem. First you for isolating the problem and then the people that posted the problem on the web. Now you have a Happy customer. Ford screwed up putting the harness there.
Hi Ivan, I found your site a number of weeks ago by accident -(CZcams Algorithm). In my dim and distant past I trained as an auto electrician in the british army working on Armoured vehicles and trucks ( Bedfords) and Land Rovers. In comparison to the stuff on the market to day the electrics are very simple - no CAN bus, dynamos, mechanical regulators etc. I still sort out my own vehicles where I can but obviously they are not that simple. I have learned so much from you - thank you for the detailed diagnosis and showing your methods. I like to try and guess what you are going to find. In this case I though it could be the generator rectifier bridge partially short cct. What I learned is that generating system are not as simple as they used to be, in fact I believe that vehicles are over complicated. Keep up the great work and best wishes from the UK.
Ivan, great work! Also living in PA, I was able to build a "shop" as an Agricultural Accessory building (i.e., building used to store feed, ground maintenance equipment, etc.). Just have to sign a waiver by the Twp. that states you have no intention of making it livable space, and you should be good!
Nice job! I have to admit early on I was questioning if the problem happened when "sitting in the rain" or "driving in the rain". Big difference in what gets wet.
Great work. like you said, you would have got there eventually, but the ability to access other peoples findings when they've confronted a similar problem can save you a lot of time and the customer a lot of money too.
You deserve an "at a boy" on this on Ivan. You saved this gentleman who knows how many thousands of dollars in diagnostic charges somewhere else.
Great job picking up those subtle clues by the owner and yourself Ivan.
I was thinking loom or module under the truck somewhere.
Someone has been there before, those blue bellows like coolant pipes are not OEM.
Nice one Ivan, thanks for all your videos as they are all very informative.
NPR. Just CZcams, Solder, and Tape. This is exactly why your channel and others are so important.
The most analytical and logical end to an electrical issue.
The power of the Internet follows closely, the complexity of newer vehicles ... But with truly understanding vehicles, the Internet becomes the compass and the map.
When a problem is that intermitent, I usually just advise the customer that we need to wash the vehicle with gasoline and dry it down with matches before going further in the diag process.
Nice find sir!
Wow...well done Ivan! Shame on Ford design engineer who drew up this wiring mess.
The big clue i saw at the beginning was overcharging. Anytime voltage is 15v I get concerned. The customer had a throttle body code with generator codes, and the customer replaced the throttle body without addressing generator codes.
Isuzu had many transmissions replaced cause of 15v. I got involved with a buyback from GM over this. When i checked codes, only transmission codes. However, I noticed 15v, so I replaced the voltage regulator and then diagnosed the transmission only to find all codes gone. It created a recall on the Rodeo for voltage regulator replacement as lots of transmissions were on backorder.
Ivan awesome find and repair!! Ford should watch carefully your videos, then put a recall out!!!
I will be checking these wires on my 2018 F150. And wrapping them for insurance. Thanks
Not sure if the 5.0 V8 on a 2017 F-150 will have this same harness in the same place, making contact with the bracket... but now I am going to take a look at it before there are problems.
Thanks for sharing this.
I was hoping you’d spray some water down there while watching the meter. Great video!
Eric O. said you are more than welcome to use his shop, as long as you don't mind the commute.😃
I think Ford pick ups also had a fuse box and wiring problems when they had it on top of the rad there was a recall to change or add on a charging relay .
I use Google and CZcams all the time Ivan. I don't do as much diag as you. My boss does most of it but he's been teaching me. Most of my diag is "scope on a rope" as Eric O would say. Love your videos!
I do the same thing. Lots of you tubers out there that help. I'm thankful for that. While others all they do is talk the whole half of the vids. So I just turn them off.
Ivan, sharing information is what it's all about. We need to stick together as a community and stay away from the butcher shops.
Great diag. Chief Ivan .
Intermittent faults really sucks😮 esp. when its not happening. At the diagnostic time.
But yeah, visual inspection. Is alway the key. Dan taught me so
In the beginning you alt out put as 15+ volts. Kinda high. Your after repair voltage was back down to 14.5.
I was wrong again! I hear these trucks have a module within the tail lights, and that the tail lights collect water - so I thought that is where you would end up....
I've been following Phillip Bailey myself for a few years now. Not as long as following you, though.
I have a 2019 F150 4x4 with only 45k miles. I do all my own maintenance so I know what's been touched. After seeing this, I checked mine and gues what? That nut holding the harness was there but was two rounds from falling off. You're the best, sir!
Amazing!! It's Ford's fault haha!
Great fix Ivan! I will keep this in the memory bank. My brother has one of these trucks and if he ever has trouble it will be the first thing to check! 😂
My first thought was "does it have a rai sensor?" But like you said. Probably just a module that gets wet. I think the fpcm is in the rear under the bed on this truck.
You're right about YT. That's exactly why I made my series on the Mazda/Ford 2.0, 2.3, and 2.3T timing. Thanks Ivan!
That was a great case study. Good stuff Ivan. I know some people don't like to use the internet for help. Sure, Google and CZcams may not always have exactly what you're looking for. But more often than not, they do have good valuable information.
Great video as always!!
I am sooooo sick and tired of this F series BS!!
Number 1 sellinh truck BS!!!
Ford F series out sell Chevy because they don't last as long!!!
I had a 2014 Silverado that occasionally used like a 2500 HD! 149,000 trouble Free miles!!
NOT ONE ISSUE!!!!
I know less people with f-150s then I know with Silverados, the f-150s are nothing but problems!!!
I abuseed my Chevy trucks and i only replace normal wear item's!!
Now you know how everyone feels that watches your videos. Thanks for your help with issues
Wow, cool case. YT to the rescue once again. Well done to all you YT mechanics. We are grateful for you!
On a 2015 UK Ford, a battery replacement needs a scanner to update the battery info, to set that is has a new battery and set the battery type / capacity if different.
Without that, it will treat the new battery as if it were the old failing one, and not properly charge it!
I don't know yet if this applies to the truck in this video, but it may be helpful to anyone searching for strange charging faults.
Edit - Totally different fault.. Excellent video as always!
Great diagnosis and very helpful for those who have newer Ford F-150s (not me). Your zoning situation is ridiculous. I recently built a simple porch (no plumbing, one light). It required SIX inspections and ended up vastly overbuilt. I agree with others. Tell them you want to build a barn or expand your current 'personal' garage. Your wife has horses doesnt she?
Wow! Nice find and repair. Ford should be paying you, not the customer.
It's on the customer for buying that vehicle. If you pay top dollar for low quality junk, they will sell low quality junk and ask for top dollar.
@@SK-2ill yea it doesn't matter what the make is they all have some problem. They are not made to last. They make a lot of money on parts and dealer service
Manufactured with all kinds of stuff not needed, that you may not want or use.
What happened to being able to order a vehicle base model?
I will stick with older vehicles, until there are none left.
@@robertrousseau3361 that's very true I still drive my 91 GMC 1500 and have a winter beater that's a 2005 Blazer ,and no payments ,both trucks are plane Jane .
Not a truck guy, buy my 99 Corolla runs like a top. Like you all, I will stay with anything 2010 and older until there are none left
No vehicle last forever. Parts deteriorate...wear and tear and age. And add animal damage.
As the Beatles said, with a little help from my friends! Works for me, especially in this modern age of electronic vehicles.
Hi Ivan nice find , Self Amalgamating Tape that bonds and sets like rubber would have worked great over the electrical tape.
For zoning issues in my area you can hire an expediter who is supposed to help you work through zoning issues. They generally know the process and the unwritten rule of the road. You can try getting a referral from a locally licensed architect or professional engineer.
I just like to add you might want to put blue lock tight on that nut holding that bracket.
Great fix. Would be hard to find short in such a position. Also missing bracket caused the failure.
Great video again Ivan - reminds me of of a Mitsu Shogun with a speedometer fault, had checked sender unit & wiring all seemed OK in plastic conduit.
Turned out to be a broken wire inside the perfect conduit where it crossed over the chassis & was properly secured by a P clip, the clip was too tight around the loom & this light wire in with heavier wires gave up.
It's a known fault on them but as you say it's nice to know you're hunting in the right direction when you start ripping.
I gotten some wire loom in a few different sizes to protect wire, hoses ect from amazon ..MGI speedware braided split sleeve wire loom.. There are probably other products that are similar. I found this to be superior to the cheap materal used on my old truck .. it reminds me of and i know its not as good as materal used on Cat equipment. . I was told points of contact on wires or harness ect for shorts ect . Thanks for all you do . Enjoy the video
This reminded me of a long running intermittent problem I had with a Vauxhall Omega (UK/Europe upper market sedan built in 1996) 20+ years ago.
Battery would go flat randomly every few weeks or months Jump start and 10 mile drive seemed to fix the problem.
I also had a random problem with the alarm system going off sometimes parked, eventually even driving. It got to the stage where I had to disconnect the battery at night. That was interesting as the key to manually unlock did not work in the driver door so the only way in was via the trunk. Good job the rear seats folded down!
One day it occurred to me that this problem seemed to occur when it was raining or had been graining earlier in the day. That seemed to be important but not immediately useful.
After about a year of this, initially rare but getting more annoying considering this was a German built executive sedan, I happened to notice that the plastic trim panel in front of the windshield had a small crack leading to the drain hole that guided excess excess water into the void a head of the A pillar and then out through the hole at the bottom of that section and onto the ground.
No big deal to have a crack in a bit of plastic trim in a car which, by then, had about 120k miles recorded. Just a drain through, right?
Except that the same area was the location for the vehicle alarm siren.
In certain circumstances of parking in not quite perfectly level surfaces on days that it happened to rain, the crack allowed water to drip directing on the exposed contacts on top of the alarm system, connect across the contacts and either drain the battery or, sometimes, trigger the siren when moving.
I managed to get some silicone sealant on the contacts without having to dismantle half the car (no easy access as it was suoposed to be a secure alarm location)and glued up the crack so that water dripped from the drain hole to where it was meant to drip, missing the alarm system.
That seemed to work. No idea how long it lasted. Within a year I traded it at about 130k miles and I suspect it went for scrap not long after.
Almost a very nice executive car but in the 4 years and 70k mile's I owned it, it have far too many expensive issues (and some obscure ones) for it to be considered good value, despite a tremendous specification for its day.
Nice fix Pine Hollow-ive been subbed to Philip Baily for a long time-he is a great mechanic like alot here on the net-keep up the good work and Thanks
the internet can be a great time saver.nice job.
Interesting fix. Thanks for the video. I once had an alternator that was not charging. I pulled on all wires going to the alternator and one came apart. The wire was broken inside the insulation. No internet in those days so no sharing😁
Great detective work. Use all available resources. Ford should issue a recall on that or at least a TSB. I can see many people getting scammed into new batteries and alternators at dealerships on this repair.
According to Wikipedia, Pennsylvania Furnace is located in Centre County and in Huntingdon County and is 9.7 miles Southwest of State College. So, we can conclude that you are dissatisfied with one of those two counties. I have had serious issues with zoning, myself. I sure would like to see you get your own shop, Ivan, but I can understand your situation. Apparently, Pennsylvania Furnace gets its name from ironworks that existed at one time in the area. GREAT VIDEO!
Centre County is basically owned by Penn State...a blue island surrounded by red counties lol!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnosticsI would have NEVER thought that!
You can calibrate an old or new battery cable using ohms law ( I = V/R ) to measure >10a dc using the mV setting on your meter. This way you don’t blow fuses and can read up to 200-300 amps easily using your meter safely. There’s a few videos on CZcams showing how it’s done.
For big draws sure, but would lose accuracy in the mA range 👍
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics another option is a 1 ohm resistor (instead of ammeter) in series with battery, and a 10A or so diode in parallel across the resistor to carry surges. below 0.6A you will have 1mv/ma across the resistor. Use a clamp-on ammeter if needed to measure the surges.
Great find, well done.
Around about 25:13 does it show that the cooler lines had been running on the top of the other cable conduit running across the front of the car (foreground of video)? Is there potentially some wire chaffing inside there as well?
Great job Ivan. The power of the internet can be very useful as long as we all share our finds on crazy problems like this.
Great job Ivan, you researched the issue so you did not have to go down the rabbit hole. Like you said "the power of the internet". Now you can flush that toilet . Lolol
Might be better off staying small and mobile..a shop is a revolving door of local state and fed folks with theur hand out for $$...monthy/ yearly fees and inspections, ask me how i know 😢..now its 3-4 days a week mobile diag and repair til this shytt finally kills me...well done Ivan~! (cant call you weedhopper when you go full zen and crystal ball fix shytt not even broken at the moment )
Great point about a big operation being more cumbersome and less flexible 👍
Smashing repair ivan 😀
Its great when people share there fixes :-D
Ford need a kick up the arse for stupid designs.
If you really wanted to build a shop you should apply for a variance to your zoning
board. Having good neighbors helps in this situation. You can ask them to sign your
variance stating that they have no issues with said building.
Really crazy case study, I would never have imagined those codes were connected! Thanks for sharing.
Ha yeah first time I've seen wet roads cause a dead battery overnight 😆
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics My first reaction would of been, "another crazy customer"
Seems a good thing to check on these, check for rubbing wiring on brackets.
Good Job! It just goes to show again that there are very few unique problems. If you have the problem, most likely many more will have the same problem.
I love the internet. Im kinda surprised you worked on this without being able to duplicate the issue.
Good detective work. I'm just wondering, since the generator command still fluctuates that rapidly, if you confirmed continuity of the entire wire after repair.
It's just reported computer data... Works as designed 👍
Visual information shortens the path to the fix! Nice demo of the problem! Thanks Ivan!
Awesome video! I am going to preemptively isolate those wires on my truck.
Too bad he doesn't have the original throttle body because it's probably not bad. Thanks Ivan!
I'm glad you did the proof of concept. Thanks Ivan!