Screamin' Eagle Stage I Upgrades | Harley-Davidson
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- Nobody says "no" to more torque and horsepower. Screamin' Eagle components are the key to greater acceleration, increased passing muscle, & more of that rip roaring raw exhaust note that makes power more than a little addicting. Watch to learn more about Screamin' Eagle Stage I performance upgrades.
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Harely Davidson bikes have the best exhaust sound! It is music to my ears every single time.
that mass sensor is for the air coming in and the o2 sensors measure what the levels air\fuel exiting the engine. the ecm can make the change for intake and mufflers without a tune. It has enough perimeters to do that without getting a tune.
Thanks for this video! I just bought a 2019 that came with Stage 1 and I wasn’t sure what that meant. My HD dealer told me the three parts, but this video really explained the reason
really neat presentation😏🏍
A $30,000 to $40,000 motorcyle should have all of this already included from the factory!
They can't, environmental stuff.
Jesse Mitchell my 4000$ sportbike is faster and more reliable..... So how can you argue that 20000$ shouldn't come with that stuff?
Those are not the 30kor 40k bikes
Madkilljoy And you are ignorant. Your bike is as inferior as your grammar and spelling. It is common knowledge your bike is poorly built and reliability is suspect. You need justification for your ignorance and bad purchase. So your ass is higher than your shoulders. Most will not judge your romance orientation. Rossi wannabes have an inferiority complex in need of professional help.
If you prefer your type of bike and lifestyle that is your choice. Gay is ok. Just STFU about it. Your post is nothing but infantile ignorant troll ramblings. Stop hating.
Tom rebel fuck the environment
As a they-don't-get-greener-than-me mechanical amateur - though determined to get some real-world knowledge and practice as to how bikes run, and run well - my deepest appreciations for these, "This is how it works," clinics. I can engage in discussions with forty-plus year veterans and sound at least halfway educated. Please keep producing and releasing the videos; the great unwashed out there are that much less ignorant after giving these a run-through.
Great explainer video!
Thank you for your answer
I did full stage 1 on all 3 of my bikes.
2009 Rocker C with Screamin Eagle High Flow & V&H Big Radius 2 into 2
2014 Dyna Wide Glide with Screamin Eagle High Flow & V&H Side Shots
2021 Street Glide with Screamin Eagle High Flow & Cobra Neighbor Haters along with Cobra headers
All 3 have the Screamin' Eagle Pro Street tuner.
Bought a 2012 Fatboy brand new in 2012 and of course did an immediate stage 1. Heavy breather intake, 2 into 1 Vance & Hines exhaust and Screamin' Eagle Super Tuner. I gotta say, I feel like it did a LOT more than a 10% increase. But now that I've had my fun with it for 7 years, I decided to upgrade to a stage 2 255 cam. It's currently in the shop now so I'm just waiting for the call that it's done and can't wait to see what it's got now!
Oh yeah. It's legit! Love it!
Noticeable difference???
@@kwamestamps35 Most definitely. Just the shop starting it up to bring it out to me I noticed an immediate difference just in the sound. It doesn't actually have that much of a difference in the top speed but the 0-60 (or 0-80) is crazy faster. It really only tops out at about 115mph but I have no need to ever push I that hard. Most definitely worth the upgrade.
Got a k&n snorkel luv it looks cool
I'm on my 3rd. Sportster (2014 "48") since 1975. I'm running Vance and Hines short shot staggered pipes with quiet baffles and a Screaming Eagle high flo air filter and commuter re-mapping and dyno . It's Spooky fast ! Seems a LOT more than a 10% increase to me.
"spooky fast" I think you need some perspective if you think a stage one Sportster 1200 is fast. You should try any number of 1200 or 1000cc modern motorcycles to get a feel of what fast is. I think the FZ/MT 09 would be a good start it's only $9000 and doesn't need any mods to give it the power it should have come with.
But not everyone wants or likes a naked street bike or supersport. Just because something isn't supersport fast doesn't mean it's not fast.
Derek Jonez
Apples and oranges.
@@robertp457 im a sporty guy myself. I dont want a racing motocycle. I just a bit more power and throaty sound from my Harley.
I'm on my first hd a m8 road king, I'll nvr own another brand, I regret I use to to be the biggest shit talker on hd, I really regret that very much. They are expensive as u make them, but the ppl are friendly and knowledgeable for the most part.
It's OK to love the bikes and criticize the manufacturer. Harley's are really special but the people that make them, not so much.
This right here is the difference between the US format of selling vs Metric. Metric bikes come out of the crate at its factory best. HD and Indian asks top dollar and immediately try to upsell you because their products comes stripped down and basic and we are forced to pay extra for performance.
I'm up to stage 2. Probably will take out the cat and get the true duals on my rineharts slipons.
I just put a Screamin Eagle Stage 1 Upgrade on my 2020 Sportglide. Love the sound, and the performance is noticeable. 😎👍🇦🇺
Hey man I’m in oz too, how long have you had your sport glide for and do you like it. Like what do you love and don’t love about it. Interested on hearing your thoughts.
@@matthewbennett1545 I bought my bike in Oct 2020. The Sport Glide handles like a dream. The performce is great and noticebly improved with the SE Stage 1. The fairing with a HD 5.5" screen upgrade keeps the wind off you on the hwy. The bags hold a good amount of luggage for overnighters. It is a great bike on road trips and for the price it is a great bike. With the few upgrades I have done, there is nothing I dislike about the bike. Highly recommend the Sport Glide. Take one for a test ride. 👍
I have a 17 FLHTCU. It has 21k Miles on it. I have put stage 1, then stage IV on it. Had to replace engine at 12K miles due to oil pump failure. Had to fight Harley to replace just the bottom half, and I paid for the Stage IV because I didnt trust anything that had oil failure to last. Dealer replaced oil pump first, then after it failed I got them (it took over a month) to replace bottom half. Now I was going to pay for the new Stage IV, but when they opened it up, you guessed it, Cam housing full of metal shavings. It seems the oil pump they put in as a fix was still defective. So now I need whole new motor. It's cheaper for me to replace motor with 131 crate than to repair what I already had. So yeah, I am going to consult a lawyer. South Carolina has Lemon Laws that work for the consumer, and this definitely falls under that statute.
Very nice review, how much does stage 1 cost and will the warranty cover it on the bike
Harley’s struggle to get over a ton from the factory! You need that stage one just so it does what it says on the stock tin! Although for a pro tuner I’ve heard Maximus is much better than the screaming eagle or power commander so I think I’ll try that as my muffler rusted and needed to come off saving me about 15lbs in weight!! Needs to be properly tuned.....
TTS is my choice
Interesting, how much is each of these stages?
Is a Stage I required before doing a Stage II, III or IV? Seems like it would benefit the performance of a Stage II, III or IV.
I purchased back in June of 2022 a brand new Street Glide Special 114.
8 months later, I am considering a 131 Stage IV kit instead of a 135 Crate Engine replacement.
Is a 131 now cheaper since the 135 is being produced?
The wait for my area in Pennsylvania for a 135 is likely up to December or later when it is officially released for here compared to scheduling a 131 kit upgrade next week.
I am just trying to weigh my options. Looking for any comments, thoughts, or suggestions for this upgrade.
Stage I, II,III, IV, or wait for the 135 crate engine?
No we wouldn't want those Loud pipes to interfere with the stereo but I hear plenty of bikes stereos interfering with their Exhaust🔥
As a tech I thought you may have an opinion on this... I have a 2021 Harley Fat Boy. You may know that it comes from the factory with a high performance air cleaner, but I ordered an upgrade to that ("extreme" Screamin' Eagle air kit) which is 40% more efficient. My question is; if I plan to install a basic full exhaust on this Fat Boy (whatever brand) and that's it, is there a downside to having this upgraded air kit (like it can't be tuned properly, poor gas millage, poor performance, won't work well with typical exhausts like Big Shots V&H pipes, etc...)?
I understand that the advantage is that it will work better with a cam installation later on if elected, correct?
My 2019 Road Glide Special SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS ALREADY YOU FUCKERS!
Lol! Especially since all these parts are still EPA complainant.
Call fuel MOTO
I have a 2018 fat bob does this model come from the factory with a high intake air cleaner?
Cool
I've been thinking of doing a Stage 1on my FLHTK 2017, but several dealerships I have talked with state that the Smart Tune Pro is not necessary nor have they ever sold one. To me it makes sense, but trying to find a dealership who embraces it seems to be hard to find. Anyway, so I'm still researching and find this video to be very helpful. Also, I'm very happy with my stock bike, so I may never do a Stage 1...we'll see.
Me too, '18 FLHXS
You need a tune, if not you’d carbs will be out of sync
I know it’s late, but watch this czcams.com/video/aWW-nt7-fzA/video.html
Hi there , thanks for informative video . One question. Does stage 1 increase fuel consumption ?
If you are hard on the throttle like it wants you to be.
I was told that a person dyno-ing a bike with this tuner can’t add but 7 percent fuel and only 7 percent spark to the screaming eagle tuner, it was limitations .. was told that $300 for it was a waste ...
Does Harley have a sheet that tells you which items are matched to provide the desired results? One dealer tells me one thing the other something else. I know that everything has to be matched or you will lose power.
Their department is right along with the engineers when designing the engines. I run all Harley parts and they work well while I have heard the stories of people chasing gremlins when they go with competitor parts. If you are seeking insane drag racing power for competition then it's a whole different ball game and the cost going with high grade 3rd party performance parts is going to be very, very expensive. But the V&H bagger finished 2nd in King of the Bagger race running a stock Harley 131 Big Bore engine with a V&H air filter and exhaust. Some of those others didn't finish the race. Plus, it is covered under warranty and extended service plan when running all Harley parts.
What is the hp for stage one
Can't ad stage 1 because software needs to be updated but there is no software update?wasted money used vanse and Hines on my other bike tuned in 10 min
so this is only for EFI?
If the bike can’t adjust itself then why does it have O2 sensors?
Excellent Point!
He literally told you in the video: there is no MAF to meter intake air flow on an HD like most cars, so they can’t really run a fully closed loop tuning strategy.
@@kc2giw Wow. I did not know they don't use MAF sensors. I would have assumed they were seeing as how they must pass emissions too.
So you say that if you do either slip ons or intake you need the tuner. Well if that were the case and damage would occur if you didn’t have a tuner then why doesn’t the check engine light come on after installing only slip ons? That was one of the first things I did. Actually I drilled out the baffles first and no engine light. My ride is a 2018 road glide ultra. I can see tuning if you do both intake and slip ons maybe. But unless you put on a free flowing head pipe along with intake, exhaust slip ons I’m not so sure the tune is needed. But I will tune mine when I put on my new intake soon to go along with my slip ons. Harley is always trying to trick people into buying more crap than they need because they just assume people that can afford their bikes are stupid when it comes to anything mechanical. When I go into my dealership wanting to buy a specific part those parts guys are always trying to push a more expensive equivalent part that I was wanting. I already KNOW what I want so shut your hole!
2 out of 3 shop guys "recommended" the tune with just slip-ons as a precautionary measure to close all doors on the possibility of warranty issues but when you back them all in a corner they all say that in most cases the tune is not necessary. '18 SGS
Where on the bike does the street tuner mount?
Hey, check out the Installation Instructions under the details section on the Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner product page for more information.
Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner (2021-Later Touring, Trike and Softail) ➡️ www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/screamin-eagle-pro-street-tuner/p/41001141
Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner (2017-2020 Street, 2014-2022 Sportster, 2007-2017 Dyna, 2007-2022 Softail & Touring, 2017-2022 Trike) ➡️ www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/screamin-eagle-pro-street-tuner/p/41000008C
Thanks!
Anyone got a price on each stage?
Love the way he explains about factory restriction, then convience to spend money to open them up...... lol
Why there are restrictions in the first place.... Cha.....ching 🤑🤑🤑🤑
What if your bike isn't fuel injected? , I am fixing to go with the stage 2. I go to Harley Saturday to talk to them about it, they trying hard to sell me the 3, but I keep saying I just want a new cam, a better one and a new Mukuni carb on it. All I want on it. Talked to GM yesterday n he is trying hard to talk me out of that and into the stage 3. I hear anything over a stage 2 is just throwing your cash away? I ride a 2002 Dyna Lowrider, decent bike but 88 just isn't enough.
I use to tell ppl I ride a bmw because I can't afford a Harley, man that's a no shitter...
Why can’t all this be stock
Money.
Can you buy Mustang Shelby GT for regular Mustang GT price ?
What kind of dumb question is that ?
Loser !
What I’m saying loser, stage 4 should come directly out of the factory. You should think before you type. And the GT comes out of the factory
Also it would be better out of the factory, so u don’t have to pay a dealer to do it.
you have to pay someone! besides this way the factory does not have to guess what you are going to want your stage 4 on... If they had to do that can you imagine the cost? sure you could get it on your initial purchase but I bet it would cost lots more considering the number of units that would just be sitting there waiting to see IF someone wants it that way..
Make more upgrades for the V-Rods
Hell, BRING BACK THE VROD
Make more VRODs!!! Best Harley motor ever.
REVOLUTION Engines are awesome (vrod engines) 😉
Can Screamin eagle slip on muffler for street Rod be tuned ? I have had the baffle removed for raw sound.
i was just about to ask this question lol
Please put your baffle back in..
I heard you can't tune it properly w/o baffles
I just gt a 2021Sport Glide. I want to add just the black Screamin Eagle slip on pipes. Do I have to buy a tuner as well or can I run the pipes as they are with no other modifications
Thanks
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Harley is saying hey EPA please lower the fine you put on us, see we use catalytic converters in our mufflers
I mean for the tuner S&S make a good one and a few other companies do too and with the others I don’t need to buy two tuners If I want to customize the tunes myself
So is there another reason why I should buy you’re tuner?
Why doesn't Harley Davidson make these options from the factory instead of forcing customers to buy a motorcycle with parts they aren't going to use? My current motorcycle is engineered well enough a stage one upgrade makes zero difference in performance.
That’s their business, accessories!!
Emissions
Because they make money off of after purchase installs
@@tbrown4080 Wrong. These Screaming Eagle kits are all EPA compliant. The HD engines are intentionally restricted so the dealership can charge you thousands in parts and labor to uncork the engines.
These stages could be availables for an EVO engine? Or just for M8 engines? I'm new on this.🤘🏼
Hey, you can follow the link to see all the Screamin' Eagle parts. At the top of the screen, feel free to enter the year and model of your ride to see all the compatible parts.
@@harleydavidson Thanks!
0:23 what bike is that on the left?
Hi there! That is the Harley-Davidson FXDR 114.
Replaicing the fxdr 1400 Air cleaner worth the performance gains or is it just a cosmetic gain the stock air cleaner all ready looks aggressive but I'm not sue about the performance
I had a 07 Sportster I bought from a dealer (not Harley) and it had I'm assuming a stage one kit (bc the air cleaner cover had the screaming eagle logo on it). I've rode other stock Sportsters and compared to the 07 the 07 had so much torque. It ran like shit at low speeds (I literally had to hold the clutch in to cruise at 30 mph or less) but when I opened it up it ran like a bat out hell. I loved that bike
Remember an engine is just an air pump. Make it breathe more on the intake and exhaust but that leans the hell out of it, so you need the right tune. Thank the EPA because HD’s have been rolling off the line for years with lean tunes to make the EPA happy.
this should just be how the engine is made
I just got the Stage 1 but to be quite honest I can't tell any difference at all...other than the sound. I went with the slip ons, intake and tune only, not the headers, was that a mistake? Will I need to do headers to feel the difference or is stage 2 my next best investment?
What headers?
Slip ons are only for sound, no performance. Intake or full exhaust requires a tune, small bump up in performance.
Will stage 1 affect my fuel consumption?
@@marc-andregagnon6051 Hey. I really couldn't say, minimal effects if any...
@@divye.ruhela my local dealer has been pushing the Full Sac but I'm not sure yet...
I've always considered my XR 1200 as an air compressor 😂
Business
Sure you can pay for screamin eagle products and pay a crap ton of money or just getting off brand filter or a k&n filter and pay three times less.
I just bought a 2021 road glide a few days ago, is sweet, my first Harley 🙏🏼 is bone stock and quiet by the way, does any one know around what price is to bump it up with stage 1?
By the way great content 👍🏻
Around 2 grand. Just did my street glide
You can go budget at around 700 for slip ons. 200 for air cleaner and SE tuner for 300.
@@jamesoakley9333 some of these guys quoting 2-3k aren't wrenching on their own bikes I take it?
@@jamesoakley9333 what is a good website to buy slip ons?
@@Dexatron is it hard to install slip ons?
Does it allow you to keep your warranty
Hey Trevor - Stage upgrades retain the Motorcycle Original Equipment Manufacturer's Warranty. We recommend consulting with your dealer first and you can also find some more information about our Screamin' Eagle Stage Kits here: bit.ly/2SF03TW.
@@harleydavidson Why can't the warranty be kept intact if a user prefers V&H over your kick-back SE shite? Ay?
How does moving a single catalytic converter that's closer to the cylinder heads (and the combustion process) to two catalytic converters further from the cylinder heads increase flow? Different substrate material? And on touring models where the left side exhaust flows less cfm, doesn't this create a flow bottleneck? And how does this affect O2 sensor placement? Too many questions left unanswered on a process that seems it should be engineered as a part of Stages 2, 3, and 4 rather than just a standalone kit. Maybe I'm wrong...Harley has a whole team of engineers for this. But, it just doesn't seem to add up. I'd like to see a Stage 1 dyno using the stock exhaust OR slipons and the high flow air filter with the SEPST up against the Stage 1 with the high flow air filter, SEPST and the $1400 full exhaust. I'd be willing to bet it's the exact same torque. Maybe +1 or +2 horsepower difference if I'm wrong. And I've been wrong before...a lot.
425tricky what do you mean? Sorry new to motorcycle and just put slip ons on myself and would like more sound
Lol. They had a whole 'team of engineers' for the M8 and still managed to produce an oil-sumping fuckup because the retards couldn't design an oil-pump worthy of the name.
V&H all the way 😎
And every change or upgrade is a $$$ amount. If HD install a HB and a new Exhaust then the tune should be included........but wait
Around how much will all this cost being done at the dealer ? I would love to buy some V&H parts and do it myself but Harley is so picky with their warranty that I’m sure they won’t cover it.
Exhaust=600
Intake=200
FP3=400
Not including labor. My dealership charges $120 per hour. 4 hour job...yep.
@@smartcookie3500 dam
Great presentation, if the SE intake mods are epa legal, the SE exhaust with better flowing cats are also legal.... why doesn't Harley make these standard? The exhaust could just have a removable baffle that kills the decibels. I know.... harley makes more money by selling us more crap. But here's the deal, those of us who fall for this tactic are getting old. Its our kids and grand kids who are the new customers and if harley davidson's sales numbers are slowing then its time to dump antiquated tradition and focus on customer desires. Power, speed and styling is last because these kids would ride a moped if it could wheelie at 90 mph. Always offer a v twin, but don't power the entire inventory with three or 4 almost identical motors... who does this? Harley needs to wake up.
Good points. It's a money-making scheme, but it does give the owner options. I rode my Road Glide bone stock for ten years and I was perfectly fine with that. I did not want a louder exhaust or more hp.
@@jerrybrown66 my 2017 ultra is bone stock. Them stock Yamazaki's are louder! I like it quiet for long rides. But there are times I wish it was louder... Theres an exhaust I can get for my side by side called "captains choice". It has an electric servo valve to redirect exhaust from the muffler to dump unruffled like a drag pipe. Thats a modification I would do to my harley.
“We wouldn’t want a loud exhaust...” WUT?
Screamin Eagle have been the pretty dominate name for preformance upgrades in the H-D world for some time - and will probably continue to be so in the forseeable future I.M.O.--- With that said--These Stage Kits are AWESOME---AND AS ALWAYS HORSEPOWER AND TORQUE JUNKIES-----IT'S SIMPLE----SPEED COST MONEY----HOW FAST YA WANNA GO ???? LMAO--Nuff said---now---GO RIDE TO LIVE--AND LIVE TO RIDE !!!! And you'll get where you're goin ALOT FASTER-with SCREAMING EAGLE on your side !!!! (Possible Slogan ehhh ???? LMAO) YA'LL STAY SAFE--GODSPEED--Peace..... RIDE ON.......#Music_Maker_69
If you own a M8 like my 2018 Fatbob, 2017 and 2019 CVOs don't waste money on Harley stage kits. The engine will blow up due to oil pump design flaws and/or plastic tappet guides. Yeah and $50k motorcycle with plastic tappet guides. Neither the dealer who installs it or H corp office will disclose this. S&S, Fueling or Zipper all make higher quality performance kits.
So 15-20k for bike,then you 3 more for "upgrades"? And you wonder why hd stocks are so low. I roll a shovelhead,an AMF shovel,and it's more HD then the rub love you put out now. Bring back the BIKES,if I want to go fast I'll jump on my Yamaha.
The things they will never mention is the more you do it in stages your gas mileage you get on your bike becomes a fucking burden
It's smiles per gallon that matters. Not miles. 😄
once i remove the catalyc coverter and install new air cleaner ,i can just go to harley and get it remap ,why buy the tuner ,just money throw away because it,s the only modificstion i am gonna do
Music is for the car. Anytime I see a Harley jamming to music I think what a tool.
Yeah, loud pipes and full helmet. I dont even think they can hear the music.
Loud pipes are gay af! Just ask your mom
@@robertschmidli2195 wow.. Harleys are supposed to be loud dork.
Who would I trust. Definitely not the guys charging 2-3k for parts that cost half that with people who have put in hundreds of thousands of dollars worth test and tunes. I come from the modified car world I know how this works and I'm not a fool
Why do all these Harley haters even watch this. I do like that Harley put the catalytic converters in the slip ons. That means you don’t have to buy headers
Allot are people who ride HD, but are sick of getn screwed left and right by having to buy more parts to get the ride that they paid for to begin with...
Why not sell it all stock???
@@MRGF78 And also sick to their back teeth of being defrauded of their warranty claims because they chose to use a brand of part not sanctioned by the moco dollar-whores.
I have a little bit of knowledge about this subject right here, not only do I have a custom Motorcycle shop in Chattanooga Tennessee but I also have a sizable personal collection at My home on top of Missionary Ridge as well. Speaking from my personal experience from dealing with customers, every single person has a separate preference when it comes to motorcycles in general. Of course 99.9% want more power than they can even use on the street, but that's just how we men are made. Ohh yeah that 0.1% that doesn't want that much power are women riders.
. Hahaha just kidding 😜
Here's the thing about V-Twin Motorcycles they weren't built for drag racing to begin with, but for cruising around the city with your lady friend on the back or heading down to Daytona's bike week. That's pretty much all they were made for until recently, now with those 88ci, 96ci, 103ci, 107ci, 114ci, 117ci those motors started getting on a different level "they get up to that 120 MPH perty damn quick. All of The conversion kits, and that screaming eagle packages just goes on and on. You pay really good money for a Harley Davidson to begin with, and then the ski is the limit on the upgrades that are available. That was around 2017 or so, and you know that Harley Davidson wasn't even done yet.
Now let's get into the really fast V-Twin motors, like the 121ci, the badass 128"/ 131ci screaming eagles , and then finishing off the arsenal of power is the SS -T143. Now when you are pushing 160 plus HP and 150lbs torque that's close to super bike numbers , so anyway you look at it that's one hella accomplishment!
Like I said each individual has a personal preference, wether it be for a car, clothes, or motorcycle. The best thing that you can do is try a couple of different types, don't rush into buying the first thing that you ride unless it's all you can afford. Ohh there's no shame in having to do that whatsoever, that's the way I bought my first street bike ever. I was working at Taco Bell after school "well I would go to football practice for a couple of hours,then shower and go to work at taco bell until midnight. My parents told me that they would co-sign with me to get my own transportation, so I thought I was going to go down to the Yamaha dealership to get a new FJ -1100 hahaha. I had to choose between a 1987 Yugo, or a 1987 Kawasaki 440 Ltd. I loved that bike.
I have never bought anything that I was satisfied with from the factory, I have always done something extra, to every bike or car that I have ever had. Wich is why I sold my entire fleet of Simi Trucks , Warehouse, and the rest of my business and equipment. I decided that I wanted to build Bikes, not just for me but for anyone who wanted me to make their bikes the way that they really wished that they would have come from the factory like. Sorry for going on and on about this, but I am very compassionate about the Motorcycle industry.
Chicks really do luv hd, it's a mystery. Must be the sound and the cool clothes, they don't vibrate much anymore...
Dennis Morris
You’re full of shit!
And any Japanese 600cc super sport puts more power to the rear wheel. O yeah and torque it's just that torque is above 10k rpm at the wheel than any Harley 1200+cc engine that is a 40 year old design. Dyno my 600 against multiple Harleys my bike always put down bigger numbers and cost less than 10k out the door with better brakes, suspension, frame, transmission, swingarm, liquid cool engine that many people have gotten over 150k miles without a problem. Some with more and 300k and never rebuilt try that on a Harley. There's a reason you are dying as a company
Ted Opsahl if you dont like it, dont buy it, and keep your negative talk with you. Same as ducati, way overpriced but they made it for lovers. Japanese is just for everybody, harley, ducati, etc. not.
Btw: i ride an japanese, still satisfied👌🏼
@@ramonvdt7666 this is Harley Davidson youtube page if people like me don't tell them what there doing wrong to there face they will never change. I live next to S&S cycle perfomace parts don't want to see them hurting because of Harley and there corporate bs
Just keep telling that to yourself everytime you hear one ride by so you won't be tempted to go buy one.
Grow up guys that keep arguing a $$$ point. It’s Harley-Davidson. When have a ever heard of Harley-Davidson been cheap? If you want all that stuff from the factory, go out and buy some of the other junk out there like a Honda or Indian.
😂😂😂😂
Screaming eagle is trying hard XD
Came here to hear engines. Disappointed!
Go to the Harley dealer you can hear all you want
A big waste of materials as well. As once you upgrade, the old exhaust and intake is worthless junk. In stock form, the only way a Harley will pass emission requirements is run them supper lean. You have to purchase the balls to you new motorcycle later for an additional thousand.
Riddle me this.
How come this isn't from the factory?
$$$$$$
The American way
Hi I’ll save you from wasting your money, call fuel MOTO and blow any CVO or stage 4 kit off the road, all this HD SE stuff is designed to work together with epa regulations and them keeping the catalytic converter . And the street tuner is a joke. Power vision is the way to go they’ll load their custom tune based on what you have done. Go to fuelMOTO.com and go to dyno sheets. these kits are a joke still using a catalyst. The dealers don’t even truly dyno your bike they download a tune from SE website and charge you for a 3hr dyno session, with a DD fat cat and intake on a 17 SG and I make 109hp 114tq. so show me how much a stage 4 kit is supposed to make .....I’ll wait
Harley stock been in a steep nose dive last 7 years. People are fed up pouring money into these engines which are designed to fail. People not paying 20 to 30 thousand dollars for new bikes... I predict this company will be bankrupt inside of 5 years from now..... We have access to company balance sheets, showing the company way over extended on existing loans and credit to the tune of almost 500 million dollars. This motor company not have that kind of cash to pay back..........Is only a matter of time now, before banks start calling these notes back over-due for payment............
Spend all that bread & still have a cat restricting the exhaust gas flow. I don't think so. 😒
A Millennial will ask "why do I have to buy a performance upgrade for a bike I just paid $25,000+ for?" H-D is not about motorcycles. They are about getting every dollar in your wallet.
That is the same as every bike manufacturer.
@@strohdog242 no, it's not. You don't go to a Honda dealership and say give me a CBR1000 you know, the low power base model.
@@JR-bj3uf I have owned a Honda and a Yamaha; they do the same thing. I imagine German bikes are the same too. I know they are the same because that is the nature of business.
performance rotfl
Have you ridden an M8 107 or 114?
Its like its all planned ahead to screw hardly owners even more! What a joke.
Funny how they keep draining the pockets of its customers. Indian motorcycle rolls out of the crate with more horsepower and torque with out any mods. Then with mods Indian thunder stroke still comes out on top. Get more for your money with Indian. I know firsthand I own a Indian and the 107 Harley and well Harley is being put up for sale.
you're still going slow just going slow
a little faster
i call bullshit
They're Crap
It's not perfect from the factory. He just lied through his teeth
Harley is the stupidest company on planet earth.
i will have to disagree with that one. sorry for the inconvience.
Coz can't afford one! Ha!.
Because they aren't worth the asking price.. old technology.
Don't worry - YOUR still the stupidest !!!
Or just get a Japanese bike and save yourself 20K and a lot of oil leaks.
Xx Ghost xX no oil leaks. Thing of the past.
@@kellymchenry1944 x2 - no leaks from my 2017 Ultra Classic. Awesome bike just being stock.
nomaddawhat Looooooollllll well I would hope your two year old 20000$ bike doesn't have oil leaks