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  • čas pƙidĂĄn 17. 05. 2024
  • Topps made a few MAJOR announcements this week involving redemptions, basketball cards, and more. In this video the Spitballin' Team shares their thoughts on these hobby changes and announcements.

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  • @underachiever07
    @underachiever07 Pƙed 16 dny +12

    You guys would fail miserably at repacks because you all have integrity and a deep understanding of the hobby.

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 16 dny +3

      Wow - what a great compliment! Thank you!!

    • @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin
      @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Pƙed 16 dny +2

      😂 Appreciate this đŸ™đŸŒ

    • @chrisc4264
      @chrisc4264 Pƙed 15 dny +1

      Agree. Only the flipper types with no ethics would succeed

  • @Ryan-yh3zw
    @Ryan-yh3zw Pƙed 16 dny +6

    Just want to say that I look forward to these podcasts every week! Keep up the great discussions!

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      Thanks for the support! Much appreciated
      đŸ»đŸ»

  • @luckypetercardcollector
    @luckypetercardcollector Pƙed 16 dny +5

    Awesome show đŸ€đŸ»

  • @1stBowman
    @1stBowman Pƙed 16 dny +8

    Excellent show. Quite possibly the best content in the hobby.

  • @davidlapointe7446
    @davidlapointe7446 Pƙed 15 dny +3

    That Chris sale comment was hilarious 😂. Great show guys!!

  • @JoeKyser
    @JoeKyser Pƙed 16 dny +6

    I send expired ones anyway and get something back. Wether or not its what it was or something close or lately its been real old redemptions that were not claimed. Like 8 9 years old. Even the packs were old

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      Chris here - we did that recently and got like $10 worth of junk. I guess better than nothing but a disappointment when the redemption was for something good!

    • @JoeKyser
      @JoeKyser Pƙed 15 dny +1

      @SpitballinCards yeah it definitely seems random. Not every package was great. The way I look at is I have 2 bucks into them. I won't pay more than a dollar. Plua the stamp. Its worth the shot every time. I am surprised they still have such old stuff around.

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      @@JoeKyser I feel like topps has a Raiders of the Lost Ark style warehouse stocked with unfulfilled redemptions.

    • @JoeKyser
      @JoeKyser Pƙed 14 dny

      @@SpitballinCards right?

  • @lastcalll2291
    @lastcalll2291 Pƙed 16 dny +4

    Great show

  • @JoeKyser
    @JoeKyser Pƙed 16 dny +4

    3:00 he hits the nail on the head

  • @RatedRookie
    @RatedRookie Pƙed 16 dny +6

    “I used to be a capitalist until I joined this hobby” 😂

  • @johnmabie5266
    @johnmabie5266 Pƙed 16 dny +5

    You didn’t even talk about what I think is the most unethical repacker of them all - Arena Club, who grades some of the cards in their own repack, and it’s all done virtually so the possibility of hanky panky with the randomization really makes it like an online casino.

    • @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin
      @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Pƙed 16 dny

      This sounds like an awful setup - isn’t Arena the company that Jeter was pimping? Thanks for commenting!

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      Ugh. Sounds gross.

  • @nunzi83
    @nunzi83 Pƙed 16 dny +4

    Harper rookie autos were redemptions as well. Same with a lot of judge rookies

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Yep and we’re you as mad as we were when some showed up in 2022 silver packs??

    • @nunzi83
      @nunzi83 Pƙed 16 dny +1

      @@SpitballinCards yeah. And what’s really crazy is I saw Stryker open a box of 2012 topps chrome (I believe). Pulled a black redemption auto of Harper. And sure enough within month or two I saw another person pull the Harper black auto from one of the silver packs. That is seriously the biggest kick in the balls.
      Stryker was deff the person that pulled the redemption. I think cheapfun breaks pulled the actual card but I could be wrong on that one. It was deff on CZcams.

  • @waynohasleftthebox947
    @waynohasleftthebox947 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    I was setting up at the Vegas show two weeks ago, there is actual repacker did what Scott said, he end-up buying Oritz RC and some other odd ball items for his 30 team repack.

  • @thekeithy4999
    @thekeithy4999 Pƙed 16 dny +4

    Completely agree with the Silver Pack fiasco. People paid a TON of money for 2022 Chrome preorders and the value of that product plummeted with no short prints (and the Wander saga). They screwed the buyers.
    They make up for it by giving away some massive cards that belonged to other people, some lifetime pulls for some people I’m sure. They screwed the redemption pullers.
    Just wild how they came to that conclusion as their “solution.”

    • @Philmington
      @Philmington Pƙed 16 dny +3

      I broke a bunch of heavily discounted 22 TC jumbos on Loupe the day before the silver pack announcement
      The whole thing left a sour taste 😱

    • @thekeithy4999
      @thekeithy4999 Pƙed 16 dny +4

      Dang. So they screwed you twice. The hobby they want to 10x won’t find healthy growth with this much nonsense going around. This isn’t just a hobby, but a business for a lot of people. When people get their wallets and livelihoods toyed with too much, they’ll leave.

    • @1stBowman
      @1stBowman Pƙed 16 dny +1

      @@thekeithy4999 Yep. There's a limit to how much rubbish one can tolerate, even when addicted.

  • @KC_CC
    @KC_CC Pƙed 16 dny +5

    I talked to someone at Topps and they said sets released Jan of 2022 and newer will be apart of the new “10 year” policy.

  • @timmccray7507
    @timmccray7507 Pƙed 16 dny +2

    Topps Stadium club chrome underwear variation proof numbered to 10!

  • @kylepatton7289
    @kylepatton7289 Pƙed 16 dny +6

    Excellent content fellas. I appreciate the different perspectives given your individual collecting/selling model. More transparency with Topps/Fanatics should essentially end Panini (that's a good thing I think?), but we'll need an uptick with competition. There's not many options, but I've been really liking the value/design/content with Leaf. Seriously undervalued autos of MAJOR names for 15% value of Topps/Panini.

    • @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin
      @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Thanks for the comment and for watching!

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      Chris here - I haven’t looked at Leaf cards since the mid 1990’s. I’ll check them out.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @stayawesomecards
    @stayawesomecards Pƙed 14 dny +2

    You guys are awesome. Your content is spot on.

  • @Michigan_Wolverine
    @Michigan_Wolverine Pƙed 16 dny +3

    2021/22 Bowman University Football totally benefits from this rule. This will be a smoking hot box with First Rd QBs in the 2023 and 24 drafts

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      Chris here - I can see Bowman University becoming the first bowman chrome autos for basketball and football.

    • @Michigan_Wolverine
      @Michigan_Wolverine Pƙed 15 dny

      @@SpitballinCards 100% right on.

  • @ALeagueofHerOwn
    @ALeagueofHerOwn Pƙed 16 dny +4

    Thanks for the great content guys!

  • @1stBowman
    @1stBowman Pƙed 16 dny +4

    Kudos for that guy getting his orange Ohtani. You'd be borderline suicidal/homicidal if you didn't get the card. That's a potentially life changing pull. That card is a 6 figure card and possibly a 7 figure card in future. Imagine who gets those Ohtani Bowman Chrome autos that are currently with Fanatics? Rubin might keep a few. A few to other people who are already filthy rich. If I were Rubin I would auction them off and donate the money to a children's hospital. That's what good will and good publicity looks like. Use those Ohtani autos for good.

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Chris here - that’s a great idea!
      Can you imagine pulling that redemption card and then topps telling you to kick rocks?!
      I think I’d actually cry.

  • @1stBowman
    @1stBowman Pƙed 16 dny +3

    2018 Bowman Chrome is a tragedy. The product still sells well because of the Ohtani chrome non-auto rookies (also has 1stBowman prospect autos of Alvarez) but his BCA is a redemption and it's arguably his biggest card period as the batting pose of 2018 Bowman Chrome beats out the pitching one from 2018 Bowman.

    • @Philmington
      @Philmington Pƙed 16 dny +3

      Indeed you're right. HTA though is the one to stay away from.

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny +1

      Yep! It’s crazy how much an expired redemption kills the value of a product.

  • @mnplumberman
    @mnplumberman Pƙed 16 dny +4

    I am assuming that Fanatics doesn't want to be responsible for redemptions the years before they owned it.
    I'm not a fan of repacks in general, but don't quite understand why the repackers buying close to comps is a problem? Is the problem with how much they are paying or the fact that the average collector is missing out on buying these cards?

    • @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin
      @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Yeah, I’m kind of with you here - I wish someone would buy a huge chunk of my cards for near 100% comps! đŸ€Ł
      I think the concern from what I’ve heard is more about people who attend a lot of shows and there is no inventory left for them when they attend as they’ve all been sold to repackers. Ruins their hobby experience.

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      Chris here - I haven’t yet experienced a card show that’s been “cleaned out.” I’m not sure what the deal is but maybe I’ll find out at some point.

  • @mangobango6970
    @mangobango6970 Pƙed 16 dny +3

    I feel your pain chris, i had a 2020 stadium club chrome jeter that i pulled nov 7, and the card expired oct 31. I missed it by 7 days and they told me to f off, i didn't get anything. It really sucks, now i hate jeter auto cards.

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny +1

      NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
      Dude that is horribly painful. It hurt me to read. I’m so sorry. Goddammit.
      Redemptions suck.

    • @mangobango6970
      @mangobango6970 Pƙed 15 dny

      @@SpitballinCards yeah, numbered to /5

  • @Bazookatom
    @Bazookatom Pƙed 15 dny +2

    I think the repack drama is much to do about nothing. Wax has skyrocketing print runs. Repacks give better "guaranteed" floors. This makes easy margins for "proven" repackers, thus giving us more ROI on our singles. I think it helps keep comps more stable, and there's no reason we should be running out of slabs to buy. PSA is grading over 1 million slabs per month. If there's not enough inventory, other markets will be created to meet demand.

  • @hughporter399
    @hughporter399 Pƙed 16 dny +2

    Buy the card you want for sure. I really like the Elly Topps rainbow foil card. If u buy more than 1 blaster trying to pull it you've lost

  • @chrisc4264
    @chrisc4264 Pƙed 16 dny +6

    So glad it's now 10 years. It's a start but they need to be eliminated. Wish it would've gone back further but at least my stash of 22 and 23 stuff will hold more value going forward for a longer period of time. Repacks are to me just a scam. It's extreme gambling. Just buy singles you want. It's not worth the risk. I'm a collector not a flipper so I'm not interested. Thanks for sharing

  • @1stBowman
    @1stBowman Pƙed 16 dny +3

    You've buried the lead. The real story here is whether 'Flippington' managed to offload his stake in Jackson Holliday before he had 8 AB's? Seriously, I have enormous respect for Philmington and his knowledge of the Bowman Chrome market which is why I listened when he said that it's not always a good thing if a player gets called up earlier than expected. You'd think the earlier the better but Phil knows best and he may have been proven right....again! If Holliday had a few more weeks of destroying the minors his cards would've ticked up some and then the anticipation/hype would've been at its maximum when he did get the call up. Well done Phil. I do hope you managed to divest most of your Holliday holdings.

    • @Philmington
      @Philmington Pƙed 16 dny +2

      I divested some but not all!

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny +1

      Chris here - Holliday will get another shot this year. The crescendo can start again

  • @custum18
    @custum18 Pƙed 16 dny +3

    This is great but if it still takes forever to get cards back and they give some financial "equivalent" of the actual card you pulled then whats the point.

    • @Philmington
      @Philmington Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Good point 👍

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      True - I do wonder how much of the issue is the players just refusing to sign.

  • @fliplife67
    @fliplife67 Pƙed 16 dny +2

    I really don’t get is Fans/Topps don’t just get creative not just repacks but they could try throw in some mech stuff.

  • @His.Wickedness
    @His.Wickedness Pƙed 16 dny +2

    I heard they couldn't convince the kids to work 26 hours per day so we have to wait til 2025 for the new uniforms

  • @stueystuey1962
    @stueystuey1962 Pƙed 15 dny +3

    I'm not a doom and gloom sort of guy. And i'm often wrong. I thought facebook would go the way of myspace. I do not see FanaticsLive succeeding. No way no how. I sold Lucid at $50 a share. Everyone said it's going to the moon. It's at $5 per share two years later. Rubin is already in desperation mode imo. How they got away blaming Nike is beyond me. The burn rate for FL is tremendous. Breakers like blez are begging folks to break. I can buy the best single out of a product why do a break? Makes no sense. Repacks - until i see dudes bank account i do not for a second believe what is being reported. Who in their right mind announces how well they're doing. Publicly traded stock fanatics? Wall Street will laugh. This industry is no bigger than the my pillow guy. Nope.

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      Chris here - you hit the mail on the head: buy the single out of a product, why do a break?
      Just buy the card you want. Simplify!

  • @nunzi83
    @nunzi83 Pƙed 16 dny +1

    Also. Just a heads up. I know you said you rather a redemption then a sticker auto. There’s a ton of redemptions that are sticker autos
. It’s extremely frustrating

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Chris here - I saw a couple in chrome update and i COULDNT BELIEVE IT! Unreal. Inexcusable

    • @nunzi83
      @nunzi83 Pƙed 16 dny +2

      @@SpitballinCards yeah. Sticker auto redemptions are beyond frustrating. Personally happened to me a few times but just recently with a 2023 chrome update Francisco Alvarez auto. Great looking card but it was a sticker auto.
      I rip tons of boxes for myself. And have redeemed 21 autos in the last 12 months. Topps has been really good with turnaround times but still sucks hitting a redemption. I’ve redeemed alot but also have sold just as many as the redemption.

    • @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin
      @Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Pƙed 16 dny +1

      Great point - and it is ABSURD!

  • @TheGrimRipper
    @TheGrimRipper Pƙed 16 dny +1

    Seems to me that this is just a way to keep these big companies investments of wax going up. They buy a ton of product, controlling the market, and hate that the value goes down because the good redemption have expired.

  • @WendyPeffercorn
    @WendyPeffercorn Pƙed 16 dny +2

    The pants is about gathering dong data.

  • @1stBowman
    @1stBowman Pƙed 16 dny +3

    Redemptions are awful and should be banned. It's a start by Fanatics but they should be valid for much longer than even 10 years. It's bs that big cards can just be given away to employees as bonuses or walked out the door if they expire when it's not too much bother to keep storing them - especially as there's still sealed wax out there with redemptions. We have a company here in Australia called Select. We're lucky to have such a decent manufacturer. They mostly make Australian football cards these days but they have made cricket and Rugby League cards before. Their redemptions do not have an expiry date. As long as the company exists those cards will be sitting at their warehouse. If I pulled a redemption today from 2001 Select I'm confident it would still be honoured.

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      That’s how it should be. Chris here - I’d like to see redemptions for numbered cards with the exact number you get. Like I pulled a gold auto, #23/50. So I know card 23 is mine. Regardless of when I pull it.

  • @the3goodlemons
    @the3goodlemons Pƙed 15 dny +1

    oh so we’ll give you ten years of misery and still not get you your card.
    Fck topps
    redemptions shud be illegal. You either got the card or you don’t..

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 14 dny +1

      I agree - redemptions should never expire.
      The card belongs to whoever pulls it.

  • @OlympicCardCollectors
    @OlympicCardCollectors Pƙed 16 dny +3

    I'm not a fan of the repacks. I think it is gambling and needs to be regulated and transparent. It's a detriment to the hobby...sticker autos, patches from no actual event or game, millions of parallels, repacks...it's all a sign of how people have taken a fun hobby that can potentially be an enjoyable investment if you're smart, lucky, and knowledgeable and turned it into a way to get as much money from other's as possible.

    • @mauriciobori
      @mauriciobori Pƙed 16 dny

      Lo investment. I have fun with the hobby. I don’t think the hobby is an investment. The problem seems to be yours either stop thinking an addiction is an investment save your marriage and enjoy collecting cards for fun or just stop and look for a different addiction sorry i meant hobby

    • @OlympicCardCollectors
      @OlympicCardCollectors Pƙed 16 dny +1

      @@mauriciobori I said it can POTENTIALLY be an ENJOYABLE investment. Nowhere did I advocate people treat this as a 401K. You sure did make a lot of allegations there though. I don't even rip wax, I buy singles. I find it hilarious that's what you inferred from what I said though.
      Repacks are literally gambling. Gambling is supposed to be regulated. I'm not sure what you find so controversial there.

    • @OlympicCardCollectors
      @OlympicCardCollectors Pƙed 16 dny

      @@mauriciobori I'd like to address the notion of the hobby as purely recreational without the elements of investment and regulation. While it's true that many participate in card collecting purely for enjoyment, there is a significant portion of the community that sees it as a form of investment. This isn't necessarily problematic, provided there is transparency and fairness in transactions.
      The issue with repacks and certain industry practices isn't about diminishing the fun or joy of collecting. Rather, it's about ensuring that all participants can make informed decisions, particularly when these packs often resemble gambling more than a straightforward purchase. The concern is that without regulation, the line between gambling and collecting becomes blurred. This can lead to practices that may exploit enthusiasts' passion and investment in the hobby.
      Moreover, distinguishing between addiction and investment isn't just about personal discipline or financial management; it's about the structure of the hobby itself. When products are designed to exploit psychological vulnerabilities-like the thrill of 'hitting big' in a repack-there needs to be a discussion about ethics and consumer protection.
      Ultimately, whether one views card collecting as a fun activity, a serious investment, or both, what's crucial is that the hobby maintains its integrity and remains enjoyable and fair for everyone involved.

  • @JoeyM007
    @JoeyM007 Pƙed 16 dny +5

    đŸ€”. I’m not exactly sure how they are even allowed, by the consumer protection agency, to include “redemptions” = seems like false advertisement in some sense
. EITHER HAVE THE ITEMS YOUR PROMOTING OR DONT PROMOTE HAVING THEM INCLUDED, period. And there are multiple HORRIFIC redemption card stories out there, just pathetic this stuff is allowed to continue IMO đŸ». We accept way to many shenanigans now days under the flags of “capitalism” IMO = makes for a weak and moral-less nation đŸ‘ŽđŸ»

    • @SpitballinCards
      @SpitballinCards  Pƙed 15 dny

      We certainly do just accept a lot of bs from topps/fanatics. They know we just truly love the hobby.

  • @maligatorbaseball2789
    @maligatorbaseball2789 Pƙed 16 dny +4

    Meanwhile Topps has owed @lsumaniac a Mike Trout 1/1 auto for years now.

    • @thekeithy4999
      @thekeithy4999 Pƙed 16 dny

      I’ve got to believe that they forgot to print/lost certain cards. I’m waiting on a Trout as well. He’s signed a bunch of live autos and redemptions since, yet still waiting on cards from years ago to be signed. Nothing else makes sense to me.

    • @maligatorbaseball2789
      @maligatorbaseball2789 Pƙed 16 dny

      @@thekeithy4999that’s awful I hope you get the Trout at some point. You should message them every day it’s absurd.

    • @1stBowman
      @1stBowman Pƙed 16 dny +1

      That's awful. I forgot about that angle. Expired redemptions is one thing but the agony of waiting years to have one fulfilled and possibly replaced with garbage is another.