Game of Thrones Head Writer Finally Says Why He Ended The Show!
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- čas přidán 7. 03. 2022
- Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire video. In this video, I will be talking about Entertainment Weekly's recent interview with D.B. Weiss, former writer and showrunner for Game of Thrones. As you all know, the final season of Game of Thrones was highly criticized due to some of the writers choices. Ever since Game of Thrones ended, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have stayed out of the media, most likely to avoid any backlash from the fans and critics alike. Finally, D.B. Weiss sat down for an interview to discuss his upcoming feature film on Netflix. During this interview, he also talks about why he ended Game of Thrones when he did, as well as his thoughts about working on HBO's Game of Thrones Prequel Series, House of the Dragon, scheduled to release on HBO Max later this year.
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Man these dudes are impressive. They nuked their career just because they were tired of working on the show that brought them enormous success.
Yep they were incredibly passionate about it at first. Since season 5 they sound like spoiled little brats who despise their audience.
i dont think they "nuked" their careers, they have a netflix deal now, ugh, talk about no consequences
@@almostvlue9364 they wanted a star wars deal, which was refused cause of the bad got ending, consequences are here 🙂
@@almostvlue9364 They did get a Netflix deal but anything they have produced has been mediocre and lukewarm in reception. In all honesty, if I see their names on projects, I skip them. There's a series they produced coming out and they are using some of the actors from GOT to try and stir interest. I'll skip that as well. Fool me once and all that.
@Filip Rochette lol after season 5 they ran out of source material cos the books only reach season 5. They aren't talented enough to work without Martin's source material as their career pre GoT shows. That's why Disney Dumped them.
My number 1 issue with their reason “to move on” is that they should have handed it off to another creative team. Just bc you want to move on doesn’t mean that the show needed to end and be rushed!
Creative team? Even if they handed it to someone from twitter the show's ending wouldve been better.
@@gigachad614 💯💯💯
Thank you!
They had a talented rotation of directors that could have done the job. HBO has a lot of good people around too... shame.
Shame
Shame
🍻😊
Egos where over the roof at that point, I think they didn't want somebody else to get credit for making 3,4 seasons that would be remembered as better than something they created. Instead they butchered last two seasons and went down in history as most hated producers of all time. Smart choice.
No one is upset that it ended. We are upset because you ruined the ending.
Exactly!!!
absolutely
George was I think. Didn't he say they had material for up to 13 seasons?
It's the canon ending (mostly).
Except for Bron, which was mostly because he's hilarious.
I was and I am fine with the ending. GRRM can't even end his books.
The tragedy is their egos wouldn't let them hand the show off to other writers.
Why would they do that?
Yep and that is why we got what we got.
Crap!
@@tha_jet_king3537 Because they wanted to move on,their own words.
So why not hand it off to someone else who had a passion for the show and wanted it's continuation?
@@elibnem4126 their plans were already set in stone as far back as 2013 that they have wanted to move since the day they decided it would end in 7-8 seasons. Why would it continue when they have already decided when it ends?
So glad the show didn’t go the walking dead route of becoming a drag, being halted for 2 years due to the pandemic and then missing most if not all of its main cast due to actors also wanting to move on. They told the story they always wanted to tell .The end
I was fine with the show ending,it's the ending that we got that I have an issue with
It's been 3 years and it still hurts the way the show ended. 💔
I'm not over it.
I loved it. Shocking yet apt.
I'm still not over it ...perhaps will never be 💔...but it is what it is :(
@@iqmismatch I just pretend that season 8 doesn't exist.
I have yet to watch the final three and a half episodes.
They could have hired the most massive team of writers to help. Literally anyone would have dropped what they were doing to work on GoT. They could have decided to step back and hand the reigns to someone else. No one would have thought less of them. They still would have gotten Producer credits and a paycheck. The sheer amount of ego culmonating to a collossal failure is just sad.
I have read at least 100 Fan Versions of how it should have ended that were better. And they are just fans, not writers.
How would that have helped? Bran would still be King and Dany would still be an insane mass murderer. No amount of writers could make that palatable to the masses. If Dany is the bad guy, then the majority of fans were going to hate it. Well, that is Martin's ending, so bringing in more writers wouldn't help a damn thing.
@@kryptiqk2141 You didn't even hear one of the other various endings. What are you talking about?
@@TangoNevada There are no other endings. What are you talking about? So speculation? I don't understand. Dany going mass murderer insane, and Bran becoming King are GRRM's ideas. So the ending is the right ending because it's what the author's ending will be. The only thing you can really complain about is Arya killing the Night King. And even that doesn't matter, because following GRRM's ending, the Long Night battle is not the last battle. Somehow King's Landing matters more. Because of the Dragon Queen. Again, no amount of writers or additional episodes was going to make you like the ending. You were going to hate evil Dany and King Bran NO MATTER WHAT!!!
@@kryptiqk2141 Actually I don't agree with that. I believe you're right, Martin gave them a framework but they took a shitty route to meet his plot points. Other writers might've made Dany's turn to the Dark Side more understandable, made Bran becoming King more logical. That's all most people are asking for- a more logical story. Take Bran for example, if during the final season he worged into one of the dragons and helped fight, or used his powers to influence the Night King in the past, or somehow gave the Living a weapon to help fight the Undead he would've earned peoples' respect and support to be King. As it is, he did NOTHING. He sat in his chair and told Jon he was a Targaryen, that's it.
Incredibly selfish men who were given too much power. The show wasn’t about them. They were just the writers. ‘Disappointing’ nails it.
Yeah and to even call them "writers" gives them far to much credit considering it was George RR Martins Genius
Yeah. Well, to be fair (if we ever want to be fair...) they were also the EPs who approached GRRM and got the deal with HBO to bring the show to life. I.e. without them there would never have been a show for us to fall in love with, regardless of the final seasons.
So yeah. Apart from the bringing the show into existence for all of us to enjoy, they were just a couple of writers.
Producers. We've seen what happened when they tried to be writers. They should stick to producing, because they are really good at that.
This is so well put it hurts.
@@AnitaClue They wrote in the earlier seasons too when the show was amazing. It's sad that (I'm assuming) ego kept them grim bringing in more writers/help. Maybe they wouldn't have gotten burned out and us fans wouldn't have been left soooo disappointed. Their failure in the end really tarnished their good work earlier on.
The story I always heard was that D and D wanted to move on to the Star Wars project they were offered but by rushing GoT and the hate they got they were fired from the Star Wars job and if that's true that's awesome. They deserved to be fired.
I normally wouldn’t celebrate anyone being fired, but this is well deserved Karma! 🤷🏾♀️
They "deserve" NEVER to be hired as writers except perhaps for MY small town newspaper with a circulation of about 1,500. Their "trash" is good enough for us. AND George R.R. Martin who abandoned his writing projects for the fame of yet another botched series lives here so it is PERFECTION.
I’m pretty sure they ended up backing out from the Star Wars project of their own accord, which makes them rushing the ending all that much worse
@@alexdarkz3339 the official version is that they backed out of their Star Wars trilogy because they were too busy with other projects. Sounds strange to me because I haven't heared anyone else ever beeing too busy for Star Wars. It is just too big of a name to drop.
It was taken away from them its confirm news
They’re still pretending people were just upset that it ended. Refuse to acknowledge the criticism isn’t toward it ending but *HOW. It was the lack of quality and disregard for the story and characters in order to wrap up the show that upset fans.
Amen. It enrages me when the people involved with the show pretend otherwise.
I’m super glad they’ll never acknowledge entitled viewers who are honestly just upset at not getting the ending they wanted.
@@tha_jet_king3537 we get it. You enjoyed the dogshit ending.
@@jei3970 you mean “the ending” but we get it …you think your own subjective opinion is the objective fact that everyone should go by
@@tha_jet_king3537 the dialogue objectively became poorer in caliber as the show went on.
The pacing too made no sense. We had 4 seasons building up the show, 2 in the interim and then 1.5 for the climax, then wrapping the show up in the last three episodes. Seasons 5-8 were objectively rushed.
The plotlines regarding petyr baelish marrying sansa to Ramsay in the north just didn't happen in the books, creating a cascade of plotline failures that totally detailed the story. Euron goes from a lovecraftian villain in the book series (and a valid candidate for bringing the wall down) to a horny meth head. I don't care that daenerys went mad. I never even liked her character anyway. I don't care that Jon snow fucked off north. Never particularly liked him either. I'm not upset with the ending, I'm upset with people praising these two goons who's only talent was googling the answers to GRRMs interview questions in advance (I'm serious, look it up) and thereby usurping the rights to make the show.
Any time they deviated from the source material their adaptations were genuinely horrendous. Qarth season 2, iron islands season 2-4, mereen plotline, baelish plotline season 5-7, varys plotline after season 4.
They turned a show about political machinations into a lord of the rings rip off with zero soul to it
I'm convinced people who defend this nonsense have sub zero IQs or are trolling. Not sure which you are.
It’s obvious D&D were tired of doing the show after a few years. What they should have done is left the show to move on to something else. But they wanted control and they wanted to end it themselves to the detriment of the fans and even the people involved.
Not just tired, they wanted the payday of banking on GoT's reputation to land them a more lucrative contract. They had that Star Wars show lined up.
@@RonsarLo yep. It was a travesty.
@@RonsarLo And yet the backlash was so bad they ended up not getting the Star Wars contract they ruined GOT for. Talk about karma!
@@tammydreamwriter2877 You didn't get a remake either. Karma.
They didn't get tired, they enjoyed the mechanics of running the show, they simply lacked the creativity to finish the show in a way that was satisfactory, and lacked the self-awareness to hand it over to people who could write the scripts and build a storyline that built on the world of George R R Martin
I can’t believe after nearly three years I’m still mourning this show and still re watch it periodically as well as re reading the books
Knowing how it ends I can't rewatch it. Tried once, was too painful knowing what was coming...
I don’t even watch the show anymore. Just the book for me
I just finished watching it for the 3rd time
I'm on to the books now I just hope grrm just releases winds of winter ASAP
@@Bubbles99718 Same! I can't get myself to watch GOT again, it's legit ruined forever. Everything is meaningless to watch again because of that ridiculous ending. D and D basically robbed fans and slapped us in the face at the end. So That's the thanks that we got smh pun intended. lol I was hestitant to watch House of the Dragon because of GOT fail, but so far, the show is good! I'm hooked after watching 1 episode.😂 The actors playing Deamon, Rhaenyra and Visery's are on fire. HOTD is legit great!
Basically:
"We got bored of working on it"
"So we ended the show in a massive rush instead of getting a replacement writer because that wouldn't give ot any better chances"
Why did he admit that? Is he trying to sabotage his career? I wouldn't hire someone who tells me "I f***ed up my last job because I was bored"
Atleast they didn't get to share their fat paycheck with other writers 🤡 😭😭
@@liul Dumbasses gotta dumbass.
@@pranavpoojary6474 Yes! They are driven by Greed.
I'll personally be boycotting all of Weiss and Benioffs' future projects... in the same way that they boycotted their last one. Shame 🔔
Actually it was good thru season 6. Season 7 and 8 were rushed garbage. Breaking Bad and even arguably Better Call Saul had their best seasons as the LAST seasons. That truly says something. GoT peaked around the halfway mark.
Justified had a flawless series finale, Six Feet Under too, hell even Deadwood season 3 had a beautiful ending and that wasn't even supposed to be the ending (the movie 12 years later was good but wasn't necessary).
Game of Thrones was the biggest and most ambitious series ever created and it TANKED. If walking Dead had so many seasons and spinoffs then GoT should've had that no problem.
Boardwalk Empire is another great example. Hurricane Sandy obliterated the entire expensive set in Brooklyn yet the show still went 2 more incredible seasons (S4 is arguably the best) and then S5 was only 8 episodes but still a beautiful ending that fit the series perfectly. The GoT finale is like a SNL parody of what once was a great show.
Emilia Clarke: Best season ever! Iconic response that will live forever!
Her facial expressions said the exact opposite. Inside she was screaming season 8 is the equivalent of the crap Sam was tasked with dumping out of the chamber pots during his time at the Citadel.
Russia are the good guys
@@Jennifer-2329 the show got bad gradually after season 4 especially the Lannister story after Tywin and Joffrey died, and Tyrion left King’s Landing.
@@finaltouch998 yep, America is making weapons grade bioweapons in Ukraine in secret.
@@marcmarc4776 and Joe is trying to save his son’s job that he colluded with Ukraine to get.
7:01 Emilia's little nervous chuckle and the look on her face says everything perfectly.
*best season evah*
Before the season came out, she said she ran out of her apartment and walked around the streets for hours when she read the script. That told me everything I needed to know.
@@seanyoung9014 I had heard that she didn't know she was making a massacre, only that he was burning the Lannister soldiers. In fact, after being shot in the back of Drogon when she hears the bells, Daenerys is no longer seen, only the dragon. if that's true, i'd like to get on a plane and spit in d & d's face
Nat's reaction to Emilia's is also pretty good.
If they wanted to be involved with something else, then hand it over to another creator. It's been done before, the guy who did True Blood did it (he also did Six Feet Under, can't remember his name). They could have stayed on as executive producers or whatever, but they wanted complete control, their selfishness and arrogance is a reason why people hate them.
They totally ruined True Blood. It started off good. If they had stuck to the books or would have ended better. The last two seasons were shite
I agree that the season 7 infected vamps was disappointing to say the least compared to some of the other villains/themes of earier shows. But season 6 with the fae and Warlow and Billith i thought was so masterfully carried out. Especially the Jessica and Adilyn relationship. And Terry. That was just so well carried out imho. Season 7 waa meh, until the last three/4 episodes. When Bill got sick, Jess and Hoyt, even Jason and Bridget-but Sookies refusal to leave Bill came wonderfully full circle and although there wasnt much of Eric being typical Eric, -i did love the ending, with the infomercial. Still love both books and tv show. Even though it diverged a lot, it still worked for me and that is rare as i am a book nerd. Oh, Alan Ball was the creator. Apparently, they are doing a reboot...
Sick of reboots, and especially when it hasnt even been even a decade...And nobody could EVER replace Nelsan as Lafayette. RIP.
Imho.
DnD couldn't hand it off to someone else because the new folks would easily show them up and Benioff's ego wouldn't have stood that.
Alan ball i think.
HBO could have let Alan Ball finish true blood. The new show runner butchered the last two seasons. They wasted Bill and Warlow
They ended because Disney offered the a star wars trilogy. The rushed the show and lost their trilogy
Im glad they never got to make that.
@@heimstaden4588 I know right, they deserve no other projects ever again.
I hate modern- day show runners and studios. How many more Star Wars trilogies do they want? The degree of hybris and greed is unheard of, they have no love for Game of Thrones nor Star Wars nor anything
I honestly don't take issue with anything that happened in the final season, what I take issue with is that season 8 could have easily been expanded into three more seasons. The long night should have been a season long in and of itself
The reason they didn’t bring more writers is simple: greedy basterds wanted all the fame and glory for themselves! You really think these egotistical maniacs would let another name be added to the “creators/mastermind” list of of this show? Nah, especially if that meant the preposterous possibility of the show continuing on without them if they dropped off due to “exhaustion.”
I originally thought no one was to blame really, but D&D and HBO were definitely too ambitious for their own good.
1. They should not have changed the story too much if they were still expecting GRRM to write the continuation.
2. They should have pushed to let other writers take the reins.
3. Since apparently, it was a really good workplace, they should have disillusioned themselves from that positive workplace and got the balance of outsider opinions.
Maybe but now it is too late. I still wasn't able to rewatch the show. I just can't. :-(
It's funny to see people cry about TV. There are bigger issues in the world.
@@suzygirl1843 people with intelligence are capable of caring about more than one issue at a time. Try it.
@@suzygirl1843 Crying about someone's opinion on TV is even worse.
@@torigoth7487 Whose crying because it's not me. USA has just become a fat lazy nation with questionable priorities
For me, the worst part about the ending of GoT is that it ruins the prequels for me. How can I feel invested in these stories from hundreds of years before GoT took place when I know what the end result is of the most existential event that would come to the universe? And how unsatisfactory that result was? It’s like anything that happened before that immediately became irrelevant for me. If they were sequels that happened later in time, that would draw my interest perhaps. Idk maybe it’s just me but I find it hard to care about Targaryen family members or the origin of the Night King at this point knowing the cannon of how they end up.
I'll give you some hope: because, as a TV show, it is possible to be redone in the future and (hopefully) not flop (too much). Like Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, or some X-Men films...
For me, even before the prequel, I can’t watch the first several seasons knowing how it ended.
It is not just you. That is why they started to talk about sequel as no one is interested in the prequel.
@@kwccoin3115 you must not be on Facebook or Twitter. Fans are pumped about House of the Dragon!
@@GustavoIto agreed. The full metal alchemist or HxH remakes were amazing. However, it is suuuuuper sad that when that remake happens, we will likely have none of the brilliant cast members we had the first time around
The response from Emilia Clarke in the last clip was better than all of season 8 😂
The 1,000 blades of Aegon’s enemies can’t make the conclusion of certain characters in S8 acceptable for me. Among them, how Jorah was written to be on a redemption arc throughout the series. He literally fought to his last moments to save Dany and IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING. Pisses me off to this day when I think about it. WOW! I’ve been triggered! Good video though!
really? lmao, Jamie Lanister actually had a redemption arc, which they pissed on in the last season, he did a complete 360 and became the same character from Season 1. PMSL.
@@imperator_danny Totally agree with both the OP & you. So many characters jacked up in so many horrific ways...
Canon.
@@imperator_danny not sure where book Jamie wll end up... Probably dead though.
@@imperator_danny he had a character arch instead of an arc
Only thing I can agree with is when he said, "it all seems light a dream." Yeah, the final season was a nightmare.
Put the blame squarely where it belongs: On George R R Martin. Only when he failed to produce more books as agreed did D and D begin to alter the universe in ways we didn't like. In front of the camera or behind, these Hollywood-types are ALL actors, and D and D can't come right out and criticize Martin. But their silence for the last several years spoke volumes. I don't see why people are coming down on them so hard. They did an excellent job with what they had. . . and when they no longer had it, it wasn't THEIR doing!
Most definitely…. A confusing nightmare
@@pricklypear7516 i agree… It took George years to write the winds of winter and the book still hasn’t been released. Martin is doing his own thing.
@@pricklypear7516 That’s right man, there's a lot of art to filmmaking, but ultimately it's the art of the POSSIBLE.
@@TeeMarie36 Just like real life. Wasn't it beautiful?
Reading between the lines, it sounds like they didn't want to bring in more writers or hand it off to someone else, because they wanted to be known as the sole show runners of the biggest TV series on the planet, which above all else, gave them bargaining power when negotiating lucrative deals with Disney and then Netflix. And once that deal was on the table, we had a rushed final season so they could free themselves up to make bank... and reportedly Netflix is having severe buyer's remorse about the deal
And instead they will be remembered for ruining one of the most important series ever.
Disney had buyer's remorse too.
What show do they have on netflix? Are people hyped to go see it? Or is the previews not as thrilling as expected?
@@TimeisUp22 That's the funniest part. Disney let them have the entire Star Wars universe to write whatever story they wanted, after a year or two they came back with nothing, so Disney cut their losses and let Netflix have them. From what I've gathered their only accomplishment has been pitching a "What if the civil war didn't end slavery?" show, which was instantly rejected.
in other words they've done absolutely nothing and further proved their ineptness.
@@bigmoe28 Were they the same writers of season 1-3 of game of thrones? Or they only wrote season 4-8? Like its crazy how half the show was so good and the half fell short.
It's funny seeing their reactions. Everyone was disappointed with that ending. I've re-watch every GOT episode more than once except for that last episode, I can't bring myself to it smh
You are stronger than I. I cannot even rewatch season 1 now or any season for that matter. What's the point, all the foreshadowing means nothing, everything meant nothing.
@@kalmyre2242 I feel your pain
Yeah, me too. Its just an epic kick in the nards.
ive rewatched a couple clips, especially when drogon spreads his wings behind danny after the fall of kings landing, looks so dope
@@kalmyre2242 same
I'm quite frankly still pissed about how varys was killed. It's a tragedy where they took so many of the characters. How in the hell did it not feel right for jon snow to kill the night king? The entire show was centered around jon and the night king.
With all the stand offs Jon had with the Night King.....pretty much built the hype around them fighting eventually. And it never happend....
Conleth Hill is still mad how he was killed off. It was a BS scenario
@@christiangomez3901 It didn't happen because without Martin's books to guide them they were entirely clueless in continuing the story in an intelligent manner, so they reverted to the one thing they knew was somewhat successful -- coming up with ways to shock the audience, and shock it they did! What they didn't seem to understand was -- DON"T shock the audience with something that will ruin the story.
@@christiangomez3901 yep a massive wet fart!
so one of the soret of less obvious things that i h ated was for the hound and the mountain clash being so late robbed it of all significance really
The worst thing about the final few seasons is that everything else was expertly done.
Directing, cinematography, acting (mostly), set design, makeup, music...literally everything except writing and editing.
Best season ever, that was a classic from Emilia
Absolutely lol. Thanks for watching until the end.
My favorite as well as Kit just going all out with I was pissed.
@@TalkingThrones I will never stop watching, ASOIAF is in my blood, Just want WINDS and DREAM and my life is complete.
You just knew from watching all the interviews with the stars just before the final season premiered that something bad was going to happen .
When I saw the Interview with Kit the first time I could see they were gonna destroy the show .
i think she meant: best season to see worst and dumbest scenario
I won't get tired of saying that HBO should do an animated adaptation of ASOIAF. There is enough material to go for years without having to wait for GRR Martin to finish the story and I don't think it would cost as much as live action. We can only dream, I guess :c
lots of adults don't like animation mind, i certainly don't...i have friends that do and i totally get it whether it's rick and morty, family guy or 'anime' but not for me thanks it would be hard for a lot of people to take it seriously, myself included
Everyone wants to turn popular stories into cheap cartoons for some odd reason. I’ll never understand that appeal, and no offense, but I can only dream this NEVER happens.
@@jimmymcgill2557 I don’t think he’s talking about that animation. For instance, if you have seen avatar the last air bender, you know that the animation is pretty well done and many adults love the show. They could have done it in that type of style. It could have gotten so much love as well.
Yes, but 2D animation, not the 3D BS of nowadays
Animation. Especially good animation is EXPENSIVE. Arcane, for example, was massively expensive. Yeah something in the style of like early South Park is cheap (it just had good writing). But 2D or 3D; something on the level late Clone Wars or Avatar the last Airbender. Spider-Man Into the Spideverse….EXPENSIVE. The reason something like say Simpson’s isn’t super expensive is there’s a lot of things like reused locations (such as the house where the characters live and the school). Animations, especially GOOD fantastical animation is Not cheap at all. It’s just expensive in a different way. Because of the creatures and such, most love action fantasy work now a days is 50% photo realistic animated elements.
I'm still so upset at how the show ended.
The clip that kills me is Dan and David Weiss giving a commentary on season 8 episode 3 saying, “you see the end of the Dothraki.” Two episode later the Dothraki are running through King’s Landing. There’s so many plot holes it’s awful
For me it is the burning of the iron throne. I thought Drogon burnt it for a reason. Nope. He was just angry his mom die AND THE THRONE WAS ON THE WAY! I was floored when one of D&D said that. OMFG!
Still cinematically one of the best shows ever. They did
Ruin the last season. I really wish they would have delved more into the relationships of the wolves and the Stark children. So much great material to work with. I'll still watch it. I'll still read it. But D&D really screwed up.
Lol people act as if season 8 was the only trash season. 5 and 6 were already mediocre. 7 was garbage
@@meawiyaothman7872 In your opinion.
@@JaimieJo no it’s a fact. They already butchered the dorne story line and Stannis character in season 5
@@meawiyaothman7872 exactly. But the final season was the worst and laziest
@@andrewucla yeah but the show was already bad and beyond redemption
I want to interrogate these 2 clowns.
I agree with Kit’s assessment…”disappointing”
It’s really clear all the actors were gutted how it ended. It’s going to follow them forever as well. They are going to endlessly be asked questions about the last season and why it ended the way it did. They will eventually not want to talk about it at all as it will overshadow every project they work on from now on. It’s such a shame.
But maybe this gives them a chance to move on and have long careers without being known only for GoT. Would any actor or actress want to live and work in the shadow of the best show ever that even had the best ending ever?
I was so invested in this show. So so invested. I would watch each episode multiple times, know the dialogue. The first 4 seasons still stand for as the best TV I've seen. They built the story up so high, and it just crumbled at the end. So much so it's left a dark cloud hanging over the whole show
5 and 6 were still good TV at least.
If they were getting bored or felt like it wasn’t enough of a creative challenge, then they should have been grown up enough to admit they had outgrown their baby and handed it off to someone who truly loved the series as it deserved. Instead they ruined not only a great series that had so much more life left in it to give had the books been adapted more closely, but their own reputations as well. They did GOT dirty and the fans will never forgive or forget that. I find it ironic that they rushed GOT in their eagerness to move on to a shiny new Star Wars contract, only for that to fall through (I still believe it was due to the backlash of GOT) and D & D were left with nothing at all and its unlikely their careers will ever recover.
Even worse, season 8 likely contributed to diminishing GRRM's eagerness to complete the ASOIAF books, making it more pleasant for him to dedicate his time and energy to unspoiled stuff. I do empathise, honestly.
@@fedra76it Wish it motivated him to be like "That's not the true ending, here is the true ending. This is how it really ends." Just overall a disappointing ending to it all
You know I don't blame Those 2 for the final 2 shortened seasons. They apparently became completely overwhelmed by the time they surpassed the books. I blame HBO, they had the power to step in and say wait a minute, you need to do 10 seasons at 10-12 episodes per season to complete the story. If they didn't want to, then fire them and move on with writers and directors that have already worked with the show, they have plenty of talent there.
I agree, it is HBO's fault for allowing the train wreck to ever happen. But I guess, they were just blind sighted to see it.
HBO DIDNT have that power here. The contract was in favor of the 2 selfish fools D&D. HBO even offered to hire a full writers room for them but they refused. A lot of HBO execs got fired with the recent mergin this has to be part of why.
@@simplyhuman2213 D&D were HBO employees right?
@@blackfalkon4189 I wouldn’t put it like that because it blurs the lines that D&D were the ones who owned the rights to the books and pitched them to HBO and then HBO contracted them to produce the show. So if D&D said we don’t want to do another season as the producers then the network can’t force the producers to continue.
HBO definitely deserves some blame since they were financing the show.
Imagine having so much priviledge that you decided you were sick of playing with one toy but you didn’t want other people to play with it so you destroyed it.
Three years later, still cant rewatch season 8 and still pissed about the ending.
D&D are an utter disgrace and should be tried in court for the way they ended the potential GOAT of all Shows..
You know the first year after it ended I was so depressed. It was hard to accept that the show was ruined and that was that, over. There’s nothing we can do and nothing that will ever change what they did. It’s sad, it still makes me angry, but I’m not as down about it as I was. I guess I’ve accepted it for what it is. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I understand how you feel. Many of us do.
I feel the same. There are lots of us feeling this way. It felt like I was intellectually robbed, something I deeply cared about was taken away forever...
@@viktordoe1636 what makes me even more mad is when the actors support the ending and belittle the fans. Saying things like, the fans just didn’t want the show to end, or that we wanted a happy ending and didn’t get it. Unless they are brain dead they know that D&D majorly F***ed up the story. Not just a little bit but absolutely botched the whole thing. Anyone who can’t see that didn’t know the story at all. And I don’t blame the actors, I think they did the best they could with what they were given to work with. But to turn around and belittle us and make it seem like we’re making a big deal out of nothing just infuriates me.
@@michelesilva9491 has it ever occurred to you that if the cast said what they really thought (assuming they didn't) they could get sued? These people signed contracts that are likely still binding to a degree. And I'm sure there *are* some fans who are upset that it wasn't a happy ending, or their own preferred ending.
@@AnitaClue yes they may be bound by contract not to say certain things, but I don’t see how they can put in a contract not to speak your opinion. But maybe they can. That still doesn’t excuse actors like Peter D who had on numerous occasions said things that are ridiculous and offensive like the fans just wanted a happy sending or we just didn’t want the show to end. He even said something like get over it, it’s a show with dragons. He seems like an intelligent person and I think he’s somewhat familiar with the source material. Therefor he knows what they did was BS. So he doesn’t have to switch around and act like the fans are crazy. Unless he’s just ignorant and really doesn’t get what happened, but I doubt that.
@@michelesilva9491 I don't know whether Dinklage is intelligent or not, and yes his comments were off-base. But most of the cast has not said anything like that. He rather stands out in that respect.
It has been revealed many times that D&D actively objected against other writers coming in or even taking over.
They were tired of it, yet they were selfish enough to want all praise for themselves. Now look what it got them.
I mean imagine creating something you’re passionate about , why the heck would you just hand it over to someone else to finish it ?
@@tha_jet_king3537 Because the world is made of compromise. And in retrospect .. it was the best career move to hand it over because they ruined their name. The most important thing in Hollywood
@@filiprochette7793 disagree…art is not about compromise, a painter finishes their art piece if they want to and they don’t have to let someone else do it for them. For example GRRM will NOT be letting anyone finish the books for him lol and rightly so..ASOIAF is his books and so Game of Thrones is their show too.
D&D didn’t ruin their “Hollywood” name at all..on the contrary have you not seen the huge Netflix deal they are currently working on ? They have a whole bunch of projects coming with some already out. Before game of thrones D&D were never bigger than they are now so doubt they could care less if they are any smaller just because some tv fans didn’t like an ending to a show THEY created
@@tha_jet_king3537 Was it really their show to begin with? The material was all George R. R. Martin's, and all they did was adapt it to the digital screen. Sure, after they ran out of books to adapt you could say it was their work. But they actively expressed that they were fed up with it. They didn't have the passion or the drive. Yet they didn't hand it over or even cooperate with other writers. That's not okay, that's pure selfishness and it ruined what could have been the greatest show in the history of TV.
@@dark_matter8420 It was always their show to begin with which they themselves pitched to GRRM and then to HBO, these are not guys who were hired to do a job these are guys who came in with their own show (based on unfinished books which are impossible to adapt on to tv )
they had already decided when and how it would finish as far back as 2013/2014 ..can’t blame them if it took a toll on them and the crew. It was a feat of epic proportions and there is no ‘Game of thrones’ without them in the first place. They have every right to see it til the end and we are not entitled to blame them for not letting someone else do it FOR THEM.
P.s google “game of thrones :7 seasons is the plan” for the entertainment weekly piece they did way back in 2013 /2014 around s3 and s4 which highlights how this was always then plan and there was never going to be anymore than we already had.
There’s also a clip on YT with GRRM explaining how in 2013 he sat down with them and told them how it ends. Some people just want to finish what they started ..how good or badly it’s done is a matter of opinion when it comes to art -something some GoT viewers can’t accept
I’d love to see the entire cast come back together when they eventually decide to make the reboot. They’ll have to recast all the characters, but the actors truly lived and breathed their characters, and I think they’d offer a lot of invaluable insight. Especially Kit, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being the show runner for the GOT reboot given how great his career is going!
That’s what cgi is for.
still love Emilia's best season ever reaction.. if they wanted to move on fine.. pass the tourch.. stupidest thing ever done in tv history
What a failure. One of the best shows and they ruined it. Completely took characters and wrote them so unlike the years of character development. A writer makes a promise and they broke that promise to their viewers.
Honestly, there is no reason or excuse either of them could give us that would make up for their colossal failure to give Game of Thrones it’s due course and a properly executed ending. The story deserved better, the actors deserved, the fans deserved better. Dave and Dan deserve every negative word they receive and more pertaining to what they did to the show. Admittedly, had the source material not run, it would have been better, but there is no doubt these two would have found a way to diminish it al the same since they were foolish enough to think they were capable or deserving of seeing the story to its end even after it became clear the level of writing Game of Thrones required was more than they could handle on their own.
Just considering that Martin said he had enough material to go several more seasons makes me so irrationally angry, there are so many ways that this could have concluded better. If They were truly overwhelmed with work, not only did they have Martin- the guy who knows the story inside and out and has the best sense of when and where everything will happen, but they had the opportunity and most likely the budget to bring on a team of writers to help distribute the work load. For so many of us it's more than a show or a book, its a chance to be a part of a community and connect with people who we might have not before. In addition, a fantasy type story of this magnitude that originally was treated with this tone of seriousness truly had the potential to be the greatest show ever aired, and to be part of that community- be there from the beginning just to watch it crumble at the end as it did, I think leaves so many of us with a hole in our heart. Not to mention when actors or writers brush it off as "You're just mad it ended" is such an insult to their fans and shows no respect, there are many things that happen throughout the series that were hard to see or I didn't want to happen ( EX the red wedding) BUT we understood why it happened and it gave us a deep satisfaction to be "tricked". The final season didn't feel like that in the slightest, it felt like if someone did a time jump and accidentally submitted a rough draft / outline.
Every fan-fic, youtuber version I've seen would have been much better than what we actually got..
@@viktordoe1636 Was just gonna say this. There is actually a writer's class in a Boston school where they wrote the last season and table read it out. It was hundred of times better than the actual last season.
@@kaokno742 where to find it
he doesnt just kno the story he creates it
Why are you bitching about Season 8. Both 7 & 8 are complete BS and are clearly not in the books.
GRRM approved the Season 2 House of Undying visions that clearly show .... Daeny will take the throne in winter ... and then ... will die north of the Wall.
At the end of Season 6, with everybody crazy about the show, ... Tyrion was not killed by Daenys dragons who SMELLED him, Bran was heading to Winterfell to tell Jon & Sansa that they are COUSINS and he is a Prince, Cersei had just gone Mad Queen after being humiliated & threatened by a few religious fanatics, ... and ... Daeny was sailing to DORNE to join forces with her new allies.
See. Nothing in Season 7 made any sense especially with Daeny sailing all the way up to Dragonstone ... and ... Bran was being led through the wall when he was at the wall at the end of season 6 ... heading to Winterfell ... to tell jon & Sansa that they are COUSINS.
Again. GRRM told us in Season 2 that Daeny will take the throne in winter ... then ... die north of the wall which has not been destroyed.
Jaime, Cersei & Daeny were suppose to die ... in season 7 of 10.
D&D knew GRRM's story before they made the Show. GRRM is repeating Aegon's (Jon) conquest (salvation) of the Westeros with Rhaenys( Daeny) & Visenya(Tyrion).
The Azor Ahai is the Three Heads of the Dragon.
Jon is the Last Hero of Three ... who will take the throne & die ... saving Westeros.
GRRM ... clearly told D&D ... to change the ending and NOT spoil the books. D&D had figured out GRRM's story from the books which is why they were given the TV rights.
And D&D were willing to take the hatred from fans to no spoil the books. However, they made the storylines & plot armor so ridiculous and nonsensical that they had to have reached an agreement with GRRM. But again, GRRM approved the Season 2 House of undying visions .. and ... season 7 it was winter in Westeros and Daeny was on her way with a huge army and three dragons and allies across the sea in Dorne. smh.
Thank YOU for putting this video together and sharing the news with us! 😘 This has been the “go-to” channel for all things GOT - even long after the Season Finale!! 👏👏👏
They ruined GOT
HBO needs to redo the last season like it was a dream.!
Just like they did Dallas when they killed off Patrick Duffy.
last last season wastn the only bad
Season 7 was just as bad. And 5 and 6 were mediocre. We were just looking at them through rose tinted glasses at the time expecting it would all still end in a neatly wrapped bow
They need to redo from the middle of season 5
@@andreyakovlev8332 There were some good parts in season six as well. They have nailed to Hodor reveal for example.
Let’s gooooooo! Can’t wait to hear this
In my opinion , that was one of your best ever podcasts .That resonated with me so much you wouldn’t believe it . Thank you Talking Thrones so much for that , it was exactly how I felt about the shows final season..
After all these years your still producing top quality work .
It really hurts and it's disgusting how they treated the show at the end. You could tell they gave up. To not speak on the show and say they just wanted to be done with it was a disservice to the fans. I wish we could get a do over with all the same actors. I know we are getting house of dragon but it's not the same 😔
Double T you did a phenomenal job during and after the show. I really enjoyed all your videos. If you decide to do something else on the tube, I wish you all the luck and hope I see it so I can follow you there as I'm sure you'll do a great job at whatever you pursue. Thanks for all your hard work and joy you've given me from watching your videos. All my best.
If you go back and watch any interview they gave from when the show was in its prime, you’ll see just how passionate they were about the series. This was their dream job, and then it became an actual job, and the passion and enthusiasm just faded away. If they didn’t care for the series, they should have given it to Bryan Cogman, or any other long time series writer to finish it up.
Many of the problems could have been solved if only they had included more episodes. Like twice the amount at least. Can you imagine 6 episodes for the most climatic moments for the most popular show. Hell the whole 12 episodes should have been them dealing with the white walkers!
It still is crazy how I haven't rewatched the show since the show ended. I used to rewatch every season before the beginning of rhe new season, every year.
They’re tired of the show. We’re tired of them.
The greatest show on TV for six seasons. They rushed the last two seasons like they had better things to do and just wanted to get it over with. I do not blame the actors at all, they did a spectacular job. And to know that HBO was willing to give them more seasons, now that really pisses me off.
I don’t know WHY they were so tired toward the final seasons - there is very little dialogue and they’re overloaded with action. If the directors were exhausted I get that! But D&D were more concerned with making each season “bigger” with the action sequences. Even the people who worked on “The Long Night” said the show had to end because there was no way to make it “bigger” anymore. And that’s NOT why people love the story. The incredible writings of GRRM are what made this story timeless. I think that’s abundantly clear at this point. This story was never theirs; it was handed to them by its creator, who was assured it would be handled with care. And it wasn’t.
Producing is a big job. They weren't just writing for the show. They were in charge of coordinating a ton of things and had been doing it for nine years. Burnout is a fair consideration.
@@AnitaClue true. I stand corrected in that sense. But I think I’d be a lot more understanding of that if it were their own creation. They wanted to do it because they were fans of the books, first and foremost. It’s just entertainment. I get it - they wanted to do something else. It’s frustrating, however, when we all know that they were very capable writers themselves; they added many wonderful scenes that weren’t in the books, filled with great character development that even GRRM said he wished he’d thought to include in the novels. They would’ve done better by the fans, HBO, and ultimately GRRM, if they would’ve passed it on to other writers to continue the show.
@@jillthornton5512 I wouldn't go so far as to say they are wonderful writers. I think their producing game is stronger. But I will say the problems I have with the second half of the show aren't about the scenes/dialogue (though some of that had definite issues) so much as plotting and character development problems.
@@AnitaClue I said “capable” writers 😉 I think the actors’ chemistry made the scenes wonderful. And the scenes I’m thinking of were all in the first few seasons, when the show still had the backbone of the original story on which to hang them. (Scenes with the Hound and Arya, Bronn and Tyrion and Pod, Tywin and Arya, etc)
@@jillthornton5512 Ah, forgive my tired brain. :D
I do believe this should serve as a cautionary tale; if the fans and network are riding high and you're feeling done with it, let it go and let others take over and finish it.
If Dan and Dave weren't happy, HBO should of brought in additional creative writers to work with them a few months and then take over the show. I can't believe HBO let the show end so half-fast, it was a HUGE mistake!
i completely agree that if they had handed the reigns to other writers it would have turned into the greatest show ever, rivaling middle earth in story. i hope martin decides to drag it out for many more books and continue this great world
At this point we will be lucky if GRR even finishes the next book let alone the final one… no way it can get dragged out.
The actors wanted to leave too. Plus, they were just following Martin's story.
@@briana8088 wasnt martins storyline they were following anymore, that was all the directors.
@@heresjohnny4836 Martin himself said Bran is king. Different producers wouldn't have changed the outcome if they wanted to be faithful to Martin's series.
@@briana8088 different writers might have written it in a way that makes sense. They had nine years to set up Bran being king in a series filled to the brim with foreshadowing. They did not earn the ending.
This whole thing makes me feel just sick for the Cast
😂😂😂😂 the clip entered on his answer to why it ended 😂😂
The 2 of them ( D&D) are as thick as two short planks , there should be some sort of fine or penalty for ruining such a brilliant show , although I still love the show very much , it hurts to watch that final season ❤️❤️
The words to describe my disappointment behind what these guys did, quite literally have not been invented yet, and I am beyond stressed at the realization that those words may never be invented as long as human beings walk the planet earth. This show was so truly excellent, and exciting, that it literally made u feel like u were there with the characters yourself. To tank this show the way they did after all the hours invested in watching the show, and all the anticipation behind waiting to see how it would end, the ONLY way I could even begin to describe the level of betrayal I felt was if I was still a child and my mother sold me into slavery. That's how deep the disrespect felt 4 me. (Sounds crazy, but I genuinely mean every word) 😤😠😡🤬🤬🤬🤬
Daniel Brett Weiss and David Benioff.... those names are important.... because I want to remember them .... I want to be able to recognize them easily so I can know to stay far away from anything they are attached to.
In other words, "We were bored with it and the pressure was too much."
Back in the day I had seen people talking GOT was better than LOTR movies. They were even comparing Dothrakis with THE RIDERS OF ROHAN.
The reason why LOTR will remain in our hearts forever and people are simply trying to forget GOT is the makers. LOTR makers loved thier work whereas GOT makers just wanted to move on as soon as they saw a new opportunity(STAR WARS).
The cast wanted to move on too. Max it could have gone was 9 seasons. But at a minimum, season 7 and 8 could have been 10 episodes each. That said, they should have brought in a new team to run the day to day and not ran for the exits. They were clearly burned out and exhausted and needed help.
No, this statement made perfect sense. D&D brought the show to a screeching painful halt that made no sense and undid literal *years* of careful character development because *they* wanted to do something else. And their egos were too big to consider handing over *their* baby to another creative team. Fans be damned, HBO be damned, GRRM be damned, whatever anyone else wanted didn't matter and D&D felt absolutely no responsibility to the world of Westeros. Only their desires carried any weight.
They were tired of playing, so they took all the toys away from everyone even though they didn't plan to play with them. Spoiled toddlers in terrific need of a spanking. If GRRM could have foreseen this he would never have handed over his life's work to them. Disgusting.
I would never watch another project by these two. I wouldn't invest my time only for it to be wasted when they got bored.
How did Jon die?
A knife to the heart.
And he came back?
Yes, with a Red Priestess.
How did Queen Daenerys die?
Also a knife to the heart.
Ah, so she doesn’t have a Red Priestess?
Oh she does, many.
…*stares blankly*
….But she’s gone, definitely!
Right.
Didn't we see Drogon flying off in the direction of Pentos? Kiss of life.
@@shelleybibeau2362 yes I believe so, and Drogon isn’t one to just let her remain dead, in fact you would feel almost obligated to try because he was a fossilized egg before his mother existed
@@shelleybibeau2362 Not pentos, volantis
Just towards the East. Probably either Valyria or Stygai.
The implication was possibly that she would become the Day Queen in a couple thousand years. If she is to go this way in the books, she’d probably contract the Greyscale.
They rushed through the material and came up short during the last SEASONS. As much as the L+R=J fan theory was exciting to watch on screen, it showed that they (D&D) lacked imagination and didn't want to come up with show specific material and jumped ship before HBO caught on to the Fuckery.
HBO - "It's yours, as many seasons as you want"
D&D - "We don't want it"
“We worked too hard so we decided; let’s take a huge steamy dump on every established character arc and race through the last season”.
HBO should have fired D&D once they decided to walk away... "Okay, well thanks for handling the first handful of seasons, we'll give it to someone who actually wants the job now... here's a nice severance check as a token of our appreciation"
When you start a series.. even CONVINCE the author to trust you in making his books into a show you make a commitment. You pledge to make it as good as you can and finish it. And if something pops up in your life and you can't finish it, you bring in replacements that can finish it as good or better. You don't just say "I can't be asked" and turn it off. I'm very saddened to hear they got a new job now. If I did this in my job I'd never get another job ever again.
HBO is equally responsible for the shows demise… It still blows my mind and makes absolutely ZERO sense that hbo didn’t just hire replacements for Derp&Derper and kept the show running for a few more seasons.🤨
It could have been the best show ever. Hopefully the industry learned something here
I love that little finger quote at the beginning of your videos! It's one of the best lines in the entire series!
They were asked about hiring more writers at the Austin Film Fest and Bennioff said, “Well we were best for it.” Bennioff wanted total control of the show even though he has no formal training in screen writing. We’ve got the evidence against him already. Check out videos on the Dragon Demands channel. GOT was a con job from the very beginning.
There's only 1 word that sums up ur question on why they never wanted any other writers to help them write the show. "EGO"
It's a relief they won't be associated with the new shows, with the way they ended GoT it's hard to believe they can get jobs anywhere. I'm sure whatever they work on will only succeed if someone holds their hands through the entire process, we all know they have no clue how to properly end something.
Your retelling of season 8 is canon for me. It was perfect! Thank you!
After dan and dave fail at every project after thrones, they’ll look back and say, yeah we f’d it up.
I wonder if the actors wanted to do more seasons. I don't understand how these guys just had the power to end a thing so big with so many people and HBO invested in it.
I am now very excited to hear your review of fire cannot kill a dragon
The worst part is we're never really going to get the end of game of thrones. It's starting to look like we're not ever even going to get the next book and will certainly never see the final one
Talk Time!!!!!!!
Can HBO not re-do the last season but give it to a better creative team?
The problems go well beyond just the final season. The series started taking a downward turn all the way back in season five.
Basically he admitted they got bored of it and instead of handing it to other people they decided to drive it off a cliff. The selfish pricks
Personally I thought the show needed a few more years to tell the ending in a proper manner.
Rather than allow other creators to carry on the show, they ended it in a rushed manner and as others have said, nuked their careers.
Hmm, so it was the best decade of their lives right up until working on the final seven episodes, then all of a sudden they couldn’t be bothered.
If they felt burned out, which was understandable, they could have asked for more time, they should have asked for more writers, especially as they started to forget stuff like how Daenerys forgot about Eurons fleet. They should have let someone else take the reigns if they wanted out. Surely Hbo would have gave them whatever they needed.
Sigh, instead they chose to deliver an ending that resembled my last minute homework when i was at school, rushed and half arsed. Bran had the best story, don’t make me laugh.
They were offered more time too which is extra sad - hbo offered them 10 episodes for the last season and d&d turned it down
They ruined my show. I've never had this feeling before. A story unfinished and just to be left sitting here wondering how it was supposed to end. Even George like wtf... it was his fault more than those two dummies. He was supposed to finish the book before the show finished . Breaks my heart thinking about it. Its more like an itch you cant reach
It's bloody awful lol and the fact that the books ended at such a bad place. Jon dead and Daenerys missing lol
Mad love Talking thrones!
It's not the fact that it ended, it's the fact that instead of swallowing your pride and handing it off to someone else you buried a cheap dagger into the heart of this show and murdered it unceremoniously out of pure greed and selfishness.
We just started GOT watching all again on Sunday at season 1 episode 1. 🙏🙏Thanks for sharing awesome content!
I truly hope that every thing else they work on is a complete flop for what they did to this show. They don't deserve to have any success until they find a way to make it up to everybody for ruining the end of this show, ON PURPOSE.
I will always love the honesty they showed after it was over.. BEST SEASON EVER
I’m still upset and have not recovered from season 8