Game of Thrones Season 8 Pitch Meeting
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- Step inside the pitch meeting that led to the final season of Game of Thrones!
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Game of Thrones is one of the most popular TV dramas of all time, and fans were pumped to see what the creators had in store for its final season. However after a few episodes, GoT fans started to have some questions about the way D.B. Weiss and David Benioff were wrapping up their favorite show. Like what’s up with Daenerys becoming pure evil so quickly? Why isn’t anyone talking about Jon being the rightful heir to the throne? Was that really the end of the Night King? Are scorpions more powerful, or are dragons?
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-Wait, so how do they survive?
-By being off-screen for a few minutes
Sounds legit
i fear people wont read the books may be
👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Ghost survived almost the whole episode this way.
everyone knows once you're off-screen you lose aggro from the zombies.
Off screen debuff
The accuracy of this video is unsettling.
roguemjd that’s how I know, we’re not wrong. We are all upset about the exact same things, for the exact same reason. Sometimes I worry, I’ve just become old and cynical.
I would have thought the "I/they forgot about it" line would have gotten old fast, but now I'm convinced it'll become as lasting as "jumping a shark" =D
steve moneybags LOL. I thought it was me too. But no it’s not us. We are right this time.
roguemjd I’d say reaffirming
Swanky Butters LOL 😂 so much true!
Watching Game of Thrones is like eating the best tub of ice cream you’ve ever had in your entire life… only to discover the dead rat at the bottom of the tub.
good comment!
I don't know... somehow, I feel like the dead rat would be more filling. 😉
@@joshuahermanson341 Then taking another bite after finding the rat, because you immediately forgot it was there.
@@dawk203 No, the second bite of the rat is not wanting to believe there is really a rat there. I remember just sitting there after the credits rolled thinking, "wait, is this finale a prank from HBO and they are going to reveal the real season finale soon? It makes sense that a show this big would have the budget to do a prank finale ending." I guess it was just my brain trying to find a reason for the disaster I just watched.
epic and accurate comparison
"50% of fans were disappointed by series finale"
And the other half just kinda forgot about it
After all it is a very forgettable season
"The fans just kinda forgot that Game Of Thrones existed"
@@MariOmor1 I envy them.
The shows fever kind of died after that
i dont even get it form where they got that 50% lol
where they to afraid to just say 90% of ppl?
“Why does he do that?”
“Unclear”
Sums up the whole season.
I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about this
Not true. I also asked, "Why does she do that?"
@array s Bran's motivations are so secret, he doesn't even know them.
was this any different in season 5-7? like Arya healing suddenly?
👏👏👏👏👏👏
"Who has a better story than Bran?"
"Arguably any character."
Even see davos has better story than Bran
I thought Bran was an excellent choice.
@@pepijn2367 GRRM's Bran won't be a cadaver, I'm fairly certain
Literally the 1 story arc throughout the show i hated watching
Vincent Wang Except Sansa. Her story is even more boring.
nearly 4 years later... it still hurts
Same.
Doesn't it?
It was so bad 😂
Wait this is already 4 years old? Dang corona really killed me sense of time
it is just so painful to be reminded on this
I love how "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet and Euron's forces, they certainly haven't forgotten about her" is a direct quote from the creators
And the characters around dany told her multiple times not to forever about the iron fleet but she still forgets and doesn’t see them despite being hundreds of feet in the air🤓
Literally all the rules and character building/world building they created for the whole series was broken in the last season. Tyrion is wise yet tells everyone to hide in the crypts against an enemy who can raise the dead. Varys is a master of whispers, a cunning spy/master manipulator puppet master who controls everyone from the shadows without them even knowing yet his betrayal plot is instantly foiled because he tells everyone about it openly. Dany always chooses kindness of cruelty and finds this to be a winning strategy that rallies people to her side only to flip out and set everyone on fire. Jamie realizes he has been manipulated by his siter for years and redeems himself, proving he doesn't need to be evil and can fight for good and can even love another woman (Brienne) just goes back to being Cersei's evil plaything. Bran who we are told for years cannot hold any titles of nobility because he has godlike powers and thus exists on a higher plane than man is named king.
😢
@@BookshelfBattleblog ikr.... everyone kept saying that Dany went mad because she lost her dragons and her best friends and what not. Maybe everyone forgot that this is the same woman who lost her husband and her child, as well as her fertility in the very first season, and she still punished only the one woman responsible, not the entire khalasar that was rescued. She keeps losing her best friends and loyal people from her Khalasar for many years now, so she just lost her mind suddenly the moment she set foot in Westeros? The dragons have so much precision that they ate specific people who sought to harm her many times in close spaces, but she couldn't burn Cersei without torching the whole King's Landing? Maybe that ending could have worked if only they had fleshed it out, but they forgot that dragons or armies are not what made Dany special, she was a dragon herself, she had something majestic, intellingent, graceful and dangerous about her, which is why people followed her willingly. There's a difference between being ruthless when necessary and being insecure and paranoid to the point of cruelty.
@@asthajindal5275 There might have been a point that we all hope for the one true leader that will solve all our problems and be kind but if we ever got that person we'd walk all over them. It was implied Tyrion, Varys all the council were doing deals and plotting behind Dany's back. If they had given it more time and flushed it out for another season or two, I could see her on a downward slope from greatness to saying screw it, I can't trust anyone so everyone is dragon lunch because that's the only way to get people to obey then that might have worked, but they rushed it too soon.
"A dragon is no match for a bunch of scorpions"...
"A bunch of scorpions are no match for a dragon".
Season 8 in a nutshell.
but they forgot 😂
Even worse is that 2 dragons and Dany riding on one forgot they even existed and didn't see them while flying a mile overhead
@@liveactionlink8736 Yep they should have seen the giant fleet of black ships on the water long before they were even close to being in range.
there's bad writing, and then there's d&d.
good luck star wars
@@alveolate Yeah, there's bad rushed writing lol
"50% of GoT fans were disappointed by series finale."
I can only assume that the other 50% had foreknowledge of how bad it would be and so their expectations were rock bottom.
I think I might fall under this category. I just finished the show (yeah I was definitely sleeping on this show for years) and I agree it shouldn’t have been rushed, but mainly because I wanted more. I’m apparently in the minority of people who agreed with Dany’s character arc. I never really liked her, and she was always overly aggressive an unmerciful. It hit me during the city burning that her dad, the Mad King, did the same thing before he died. I thought it made at least SOME sense.
It was definitely not a fan servicey ending, and left me wanting more.
@@VorticieFilms Actually a lot of fans agrees with the concept of the ending, not the rushed delivery.
😂😂😂😂😂👍👍👍
I think they kinda forgot
My expectations hit rock bottom and drilled halfway to the mantle and I was still disappointed.
"...but Dany is just sitting alone all isolated, looking pissed with her Starbucks."
“Did you say Starbucks?”
@@raiden1766 Apparently they forgot to remove a Starbucks Takeaway Coffee Cup someone was previously drinking prior to shooting the scene. Lol
@@AbundantlyHappyLisa yeah i know, i saw it, just continuing on the chain
@@raiden1766 Probably didn't noticed you placed a quotation on your comment 😄
I’m gonna be looking for that Starbucks when I watch the final season with my friends
To put things into perspective:
The Long Night, prophesized for literally thousands of years, the end-of-all-days scenario in the setting, the Armageddon that will undo life on the entire planet... was shorter than Theon's time as Lord of Winterfell.
Hell, there's a decent chance Joffrey's wedding took longer.
And Joeffrey's wedding was more satisfying to watch...little bastard
@@mattm7798 You could atleast see the Wedding. The Long Night, was a black screen with some sound effects
The boar that killed Robert Baratheon had a greater effect on Westeros than the Night King.
Walder Frey killed 2 main characters which means Walder Frey has more impact to the whole narrative than the white walkers.
Unlike season 8, I will rewatch this a few times.
It's not so bad if you tack on that scene where Bran wakes up at the end of an episode in an earlier season. (after he was pushed from the tower.) That's my head canon.
Burrrrrrrrn.
s8 was so bad that ruined the series for me,i mean whats the point of rewatching if i know how shityy things will end up
I do it for therapy, I’m still in denial.
@@tathan201120 me too brother
This video has more good writing than the entire last season of GOT.
true!!!!
So true!
More good - better
Sorry...
TheTopMostDog better*
LMAO!! very true!
The “Counsel of Surviving Characters” is my favorite part of this whole video. So good!!! If only season 8 had this good of writing.
Yeah, the entire video is funny but that cracked me up
The members of the small council are good, but if only the queen was....
Featuring Randym Martell…
"That's certainly what they're going to google" would be my pick.
The “no really, you can have more episodes” joke is probably my favorite of the series
It's likely true as well, pretty sure HBO would have been more than happy to greenlight more seasons for their hit show.
@@santosic It is true. HBO was more than willing to keep footing the bill for more episodes. The showrunners D&D were the ones who both pushed for the shorter final 2 seasons and also refused to hand it off to anyone else.
What's ironic is that the theory is they rushed it in an attempt to move on to a possible Star Wars trilogy they were to direct, but that deal ended up falling through after GoT S8 flopped.
@@cidcrisis I feel like Benioff and Weiss have just disappeared since GoT S8? I think they screwed it up so badly they have basically destroyed any hope at writing any big property they may ever have in the future.
@@SerMattzio Didn't they just release "3 Body Problem" on Netflix which is made by them?
"So how do they survive?"
"By being off screen for a little bit."
Lol... So accurate.
Literally one of my least favorite parts of the season. Their assumption that all their viewers are morons just proves how delusional they are. Makes you feel like everyone is dying, the doth and un armies, the main characters, all dying to masses of zombies that sometimes move super fast, sometimes can barely walk, then next scene everyone is fine and a few episodes later it's as if 90% of Winterfell survived the Winter.
I give this season a Bruh
@@KDreezy plot armors
@@KDreezy exactly
I mean... Ant-Man was on-screen when he got literally vaporized by Thanos's preemptive strike on the Avengers base, but he somehow managed to survive with the rest of them.
The fact that I'm rewatching this pitch meeting but not the final season is really telling
😂😂😂 I have watched this pitch meeting so many times since that finale.
I mean who the hell rewatch tv shows like game of thrones/breaking bad etc when u already know the plot it's not fun to watch
Facts!!!
@@shlomoshlomo963 Yeah, who re-reads books, or re-watches movies? Reliving and re-experiencing fantastical imagination escapes is for losers!
(A little less sarcastically) If a story has more to offer than simply surprises and spectacle, there is much to be had in reliving it. Take a couple years or so and you’re a different person. You watch a show again and you love a character you used to hate, or you pick up on tiny details, or there’s more you can relate to. It’s awesome. I highly recommend re-experiencing your favorite stories, in whatever medium.
its telling that you have 7 free minutes to laugh, but not 7 hours to cry
Jaime Lannister character arc is a perfect representation of Game of Throne’s quality over time.
It's a shame because they had so many potential great storey lines to wrap up. I don't think I'd even watch a Arya spin off.
Right...let's completely have this character undo all the work we spent almost a decade in building...and then not even try to explain why.
As is Arya.
Or Varys.
Or Bran.
Or Tyrion.
Or ..
Or Little Finger's pulse
For 7 seasons, I could not stop watching this show. I was telling everyone I knew, "OMG you HAVE to watch this!" Then, I watched season 8, and unlike almost every single great series I have ever watched, I never looked back or desired to watch it again. Seriously, I'll never understand why they sabotaged their own show. It had such potential.
Same! It could have been the greatest show in the history of the television medium.
Money. That's why. The makers David and DB wanted to get their hands on the next project.
And in a great irony, they absolute carpet bombing their brand took after the Season 8 debacle cost them multiple projects.
season 7 was just as bad though
@@yourmum69_420 very true! Basically everything that was not based on the books sucked. Season 6 is the best. I rewatched that one multiple times.
HBO: "You can have more time"
D&D: "She's my Queen"
HBO: "WHAT???"
D&D: "I don't want it"
HBO: "You can have more time"
D&D: "Shes mah kween"
HBO: "WHAT???"
D&D: "I don wunt it"
The queen that D&D are referring to is Kathleen Kennedy. They want to drop GoT so that they can go further ruin the Star Wars franchise with her.
@@eddardstark6554 she certainly pulled a daenarys on star wars.
HBO didn't want to renue contacts that's why it was rushed
SONIC VASH no HBO was ready to give them SEASONS, But they declined. Presumably to go do Star Wars
*_Season 1-7_*_ : "Winter is coming."_
*_Season 8_*_ : "Winter is here."_
*_Winter_*_ : "I'm in a rush."_
TIL that Winter was my ex-boyfriend. All this hub bub and build up about coming, but when he gets here, it is short, disappointing, and ultimately irrelevant.
@@pathwaystoadventure 😂😂😂😂
Aaaaand... it's gone
Winter probably forgot it was happening
Winter had to work on a star wars trilogy
"Oh my god"
basically everyone's reaction to how bad it was lol
It's kind of impressive how quickly David & Dan torpedoed their own careers & reputations.
"I forgot about it"
"She forgot about it"
"It's very forgettable horse
Yeah i love that line 😘👌🇮🇱
Barely an inconvenience.
And a very forgettable season
As I heard that scene I started laughing.
You forgot this "
That uncomfortable smile and "Oh okay." Was me the entire season lmao.
Alexandria Penaherrera it’s so bad
😂😂😂
I really loved episodes one and two then I was just bored with it.
The reactions were priceless😂
"Would you like some time? You can have it."
"No."
"Who has a better story than Bran?"
"Didn't Bran take an entire season off because the showrunners had no idea what to do with him and nobody cared about his story?"
"Oh yeah. Whoops!"
"Whoopsie!"
also, bran can see future events
so he knew thousands of people were going to be slaughtered and said nothing
@@flerbus They didn't say he could see the future completely. He just saw some glimpses in his dreams from time to time.
@@fajastata2 so, if he can't see the future
i'm guessing he gets murdered in his sleep shortly after the end of the show
why would the realm allow an autistic cripple to rule?
I love how this is the one time that movies and tv shows and Hollywood have offered to give someone as much time as they need to make something.
And the creators are like “no, I want Star Wars.”
Yep, I'm sure HBO would have happily greenlighted more seasons for their hit show if the creators wanted more time to flesh out their ending.
Meanwhile, some creators at Disney, like the creator of The Owl House, wish they could have had more time and certainly would have used it if offered. So foolish to not take advantage of something so rare.
Hello fellow Owl House fan
and then Star Wars drops them because they borked GoT.
Ironic.
Me: I bet the night king will be super hard to beat
Arya: Actually it was super easy, barely an inconvenience
Me: Oh... my god.
Oh... Really??
Yep
nailed it.
@@thenightking8112 Feels bad man.
A dragon is no match for a bunch of scorpions…
(15 seconds later)
A bunch of scorpions are no match for a dragon!
LOL classic
Eurons's ship had advanced AI aim assist tech. King's landing kinda forgot to implement it.
They tried to used the old "dogfight" tactic of coming with the sun behind you so the enemy doesnt see you... the difference here is that it works for the initial attack... after that you are in the open... sooo ridiculous
"So how can we cut our CGI costs in half?" "Well idk euron could just murder rhaegal so then it wouldn't really matter if he survived the battle with the army of the Dead"
"Well okay"
Weekly patch nerfed the scorpions
It's amazing how they retained their ballistic power, after being fired nearly straight up.
My favourite line from this just might be, "It's a very forgettable horse"
What horse?!
I've joked about forgetting this season a few times but that horse is probably the one thing that I literally did completely forget about and even now I'm not entirely sure I remember seeing it before this video.
I figured it just died
You can tell Peter Dinklage is a superb actor for being able to say his lines and look like he means all that and respect them, when he knew all that was garbage.
From a few interview i've read, basically everyone on the cast knew at least to some degree the season was garbage.
Yeah but a terrible person who doesn't want other short actors to have an opportunity in Disney's remake of Snow White
And when many of the lines themselves were, in fact, garbage
I came for a comedy and found a documentary.
Underrated comment of the day!
I hope this will be history channel material.
Nicely done Dalibor!
The vicness radiates within you ser
Hahaha
Emilia: "Best season ever!" *Nervous laugh*
Is the exact thing I said at the end of the video
it reminded me of that little kid that was being interviewed and asked if he was gonna miss his mom, and he was like "noo...hehe..hehe" then started crying lmao
None of the actors seem too like the ending. They should all go to Peter Dinklages house and make a new ending, lol.
@@floydlooney6837 I'm sure that actually be incredibly awesome!
I genuinely respect her for not even attempting to hide it. Pretty sure she never even saw the final product in its totality post-production, but based on the script she was given, she knew. There was no way to edit that script into a cohesive narrative.
And hats off to her for acknowledging it right away.
You nailed it man. My wife and I just finally caught up with the world and watched all 8 seasons. We had heard everyone hated the ending and wow now we see why. I couldn't believe Bran becomes King and Jon Snow is sent back up North. Those showrunners really butchered the ending
Also a late watcher, Knowing I was going to hate the ending kinda made me not want to watch it.. but im glad I did!
Bram becoming king kind of makes sense but it was so rushed.
@@mattm7798 All of it kind of makes sense but was too rushed. Dany the liberator being unmasked as Dany the traumatised mass murderer, Bran the paralysed child becoming king as a symbolic rejection of the power dynamics of the old regime, Jon Snow the prophesied heir not actually inheriting because that entire concept of primogeniture basically caused the problem in the first place, etc. etc.
@@FreshlyBakedLePain Agreed...I saw alot of people saying Dany going nuts was so out of nowhere...it wasn't per se but it was the way they presented it: rushed.
Bran I guess makes sense but again, rushed.
Jon Snow not being the one to kill the night king I don't think made sense given the prophecy but what upset me even more than that was the giant reveal that he's a Targaryan and it kind of meant nothing....that storyline alone needed a good 5-6 episodes to play out, if not a season.
@@FreshlyBakedLePain Hey but at least the showrunners rushing the final season gave them that dope multi movie deal making a New Star wars trilo .. ooh whait.
"Nearly disappointing 50%"... who the hell are the other 50% that thought this show ended well? Like, who watched the last few seasons of GoT and thought "wow, that tied up all my questions and it was very well done"!?
Probably the ones who thought, "Thank God this horrible last season is finally over!" It was pretty obvious early in S8 that there was no way it was going to end well.
Not being disappointed doesn't mean they liked it; they probably lost hope before everyone else. Expecting something terrible means they couldn't be disappointed.
I’ve never met one. I think they’re made up. That 50% who hated it is more like 90%
The other 50 % were disappointed
There are people who were like "Well they had to end the show in some way"
I'm almost 100% certain this is a word-for-word recreation of the actual HBO meeting.
yup, leaked version
Halfman Halfamazing hahahahahaha! For sure!
2:44 is literally word-for-word something David Benioff said in a behind the scenes video for episode 4
What do you mean recreation? This is the real life footage. This is how decisions got made
More than 3 years since this video came out and I still get physically upset thinking about how they rushed the end of my previously favorite show so badly that I can't sit through a rewatch
The Council of Surviving Characters, may be the most clever throw away line in the whole video
"I forgot about the horse. She forgot about the horse. It's a very forgettable horse."
LMAO very forgettable arcs too
the irony is that it's the most unforgettable horse BTW
I was under the impression that was the end of Arya’s arc. Would’ve been a cool ending for a cool character. But they had to go eff it up. Were they honestly TRYING to do a bad job with all the characters?
@Ganda Gandara Me too...its a very forgettable horse.
they should have let Jon ride that horse north of the wall
Was that a Seinfeld reference?
Audience: "Hopefully they won't disappoint us"
Producers: "Actually it'll be super easy, barely an inconvenience"
Zwergz 112 800 likes in an hour good on ya sir.
Disappointing your audience is tight..
I nominate you for best comment
- The CaitlynBot
actually a big inconvenience
This is brilliant, you win the internet for today
" it"s a very forgettable horse " i want this to engraved on my tombstone
It should have ended with the guy pitching saying: “Good this meeting is finally over, let’s shoot this show so I can go work on Star Wars.” Then cut to a headline of D&D being fired from Star Wars.
100
"Cersei doesn't have any scorpions but she
has the Golden Company"
"Oh yeah, they built those guys up to be
badasses. So what are they going to do?"
*"Die immediately"*
"Oh my God!"
😂😂
Patrick Bernard Like Boba Fett
@@HablaCarnage63 like Captain Phasma
Patrick Bernard who ironically somehow probably had a more fulfilling arc than Brienne of Tarth by the end.
It’s because they didn’t have elephants
If 2019 told us anything, it's that ruining a franchise, ANY franchise, is super easy, barely an inconvenience.
It really is. I mean, three amazing "sagas" ended in 2019, and only one of them lived up, maybe even surpassed our expectations (Endgame - Infinity Saga). The other two barely qualified to be "finales" you know? (GoT, Star wars)
And the only place where they both screwed up was in the writing. Everything else was amazing. The writing is what sent those two beloved pieces of art into the sewage. I can't even re-watch GoT cause I know how bad its gonna end.
@@azazel3239 Doctor Who got destroyed according to a lot of fans as well.
Brilliant
@@azazel3239 The Terminator franchise pretty much died as well.
@@avada0 that franchise died when salvation was released lol
How could the stabbing of the Night King not be a "Super easy, barely an inconvenience" moment!
To be fair, he had basically fought his way thru Jon and Dany's entire army so he was no pushover. I also didn't mind Arya was they one who killed him(even tho it kind of messed up the prophecy)...I'm still mad the faceless man arch with Arya basically went nowhere. The least they could have done is have her use that power to trick the night king somehow.
Also, why is he the only being in this universe able to withstand direct dragon fire unscathed?
@@mattm7798 The faceless man arc was to get Arya back to the North to kill Walder Frey, but when Sansa saw the faces in Arya's room in S7, she stopped doing it. It was all a bit silly, really, even though i did like Arya in Bravos and the whole storyline. It did turn her into a formidable fighter who could even figh blind, though.
This pitch meeting ripped open old wounds I thought had finally healed
-A dragon is no match for a bunch of scorpions...
-Next episode... A bunch of scorpions is no match for a dragon.
😂😂😂😂
@intempify Right! The writers take a major L for that BS.
@intempify The first dragon kill was complete BS. How is Daenerys and her dragons not going to see an entire fleet of ships from the sky when the fleet of ships can see her and launch a BS "surprise" attack
Right?? I legit was confudled by that.
and then those bolts made wood explode on impact. probably a medieval form of heat-seeking missile with explosive charge.
Euron made an off screen deal with some rogue USA arms dealers for laser guided wood missles.
You wanna know how bad season 8 was? We are in The middle of a long quarantine, and not a single person I know is rewatching this show.
Agreed. That's why I'm re-watching one of the best fantasy franchises of all time that won a lot of awards, starring a multi-talented cast with great effects and writing, great battles, diverse mythology and lore, and great settings.
That franchise is Peter Jackson's adaptation of JRR Tolkien's The Lord Of The Rings.
Game of Thrones was a phenomenon in terms of success and cultural impact, however the ending ruined it all. If I remember correctly, after the outrage of the last season was over, it was as people had forgotten the show. The ending season took away all wishes of people to rewatch the whole show, even the best seasons, because they know everything is ruined at the end.
@@7Mushrooms7 Me and my friend watched the finale just a day before our final exams in high school after breakfast and you want to know how we felt after watching the finale. Disappointed and angry.
Before season 8 started I said I was gonna due a full rewatch when it was done. But even now I have no interest. Still love the old seasons but the ending leaves a dark cloud over whole series
@@alexpresser132 Agreed.
I love how you straight up repeat things d&d have actually said and it fits perfectly fine
“Her nephew doesn’t want to sleep with her…” 😂
They were trying to make the story relatable for the people that live in Alabama
"So what are they gonna do?"
"Die immediately"
"Oh my God"
'I never cared about innocent people' - Jaime Lannister, the man who carried the slur 'KingSlayer' throughout his life despite honour meaning everything to him because he broke his oath to save innocents. Well done.
Yeah the same Jamie who wanted to take the army north to fight the dead to keep them from killing everyone!
He never cared *much* for the people in King's Landing, which is not a lie. We see a sort of redemtion arc, but it's really just about getting to know his good sides. His bad sides are still there. He truly never really cared much for the little people. He had a sense of honour, but not strong enough to prevent him from trying to kill a child to cover up his incestuous relationship. Of right and wrong, but never strong enough to put right above his own wants and needs.
He also killed his king not so much to save innocents as to avoid having to try to kill his own father, and to save his own life regardless of the outcome of that, because it was obvious to anyone but the king that the war was lost.
And yet, in this scene, he is kinda lying to himself, exaggerating to himself how he doesn't care as an excuse to get to Cersei, the drug he is addicted to. Many addicts easily fall back into addiction, and this is exactly what this is. Jaime never changed much, we just got to know him better. If Cersei hadn't been in danger, he probably could have stayed away. But suddenly he got faced with one last chance to see her ever, and he fell right back into his addiction.
And despite our feelings for him, he and Cersei were together their whole lives and together were the #1 villains since episode 1, so it was fitting, in a way, for them to die together. Jaime's redemption, in the eyes of the audience, had already happened, that arc was already complete. But to himself, his primary arc was his relationship with Cersei.
"We don't choose whom we love."
@@SelvesteSand Yeah no, it's just bad writing and pacing
@@SelvesteSand ya, he had no problem with killing a child, in like the first episode, then he has an arc, that's the whole point of arcs, just bad writing
@@leonardorossi1543 I’m not even invested in this argument, but having a whole detailed explanation and argument relied to with just “yeah no lazy” is just frustrating.
“Council of surviving characters.” Lost it on that one.
You’ve made a lot of great videos, but this one is arguably the most accurate of all. 10/10
“You can have more episodes”
“I don wun et”
Keep in mind...I don't wanna.
Oof
The Night King is coming.
@@pandawandas he's gone already
*insert viagra joke here*
D&D:gives fans season 8 Fans:I don wunt et
"So how do they survive"
"By being offscreen for a bit"
😂😂😂😂
Yeah... I love that line😂😂
Kinda like despawning mobs in minecraft by unloading chunks🤣
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That means Ned might be alive. I mean we didn't see his head feet chopped off. Lol
4 years on and this is still pure gold
Never has a series fallen flat on its face hard than GoT.
Even Lost wasn't so bad.
D&D rushed the final season for a star wars movie only to be fired
Karma.
They basically sabotaged themselves lol
Would YOU hire someone who did such a piss-poor job?
don't forget about their genius idea for the an hbo show where the confederacy won the civil war
doggyaugie actually that sounds interesting
@@Santiago-yb4be 🙄
This is possibly the most accurate thing I've ever seen.
This is so funny
So completely accurate!
It's pretty much a perfect analysis.
Except the part about Jaime. He was obviously always going to be by the side of Cerci. No question there.
Absolutely spot on. We've all had those questions. Lol
Coming back to this again, still so hilarious and relevant. I love every time the producer verbally offers the writer more time and the writer keeps refusing saying "there just isn't enough time" 😆
Had the potential to be widely considered the best show in TV history and they fumbled the ball at the buzzer.
I'd still argue it is in that conversation. 1 bad season doesn't under 5 incredible seasons, 1 great season, 1 good season, and 1 terrible season.
@@mattm7798 I mean I'd normally agree, but this one really was bad enough that after trying to rewatch it several times, it literally had made it impossible for me to get past season 2.
@@NerdHerdForLife Yeah, I can definitely see if our mind can't get season 8 blocked.
I wonder if the John Snow spinoff is really good, that would help you erase season 8.
House of the Dragon is good, by funny enough, depsite the title, I think there were too many dragons and the season felt like a 10 episode prelude to the last 30 minutes of episode 10...we'll see if it comes close to reaching the greatness of the OG hbo show.
Only 50% were disappointed? Were the other 50% watching something else?
The other 50% couldn't be bothered to express their disappointment
they though, oh cool effects
This is a solid question that I would not mind someone answering for me.
The other 50% already had their expectations crushed. You can't be disappointed when you're already expecting it to be bad.
The other 50% are casuals who don't care to express their disappointment on the Internet but you can bet they WERE disappointed.
"Dany is just sitting there all pissed with her Starbucks"
"Did you say Starbucks?"
*totally ignores him*
I dont get the joke. Can u please help
@@gevorkbabayan They accidentally left a starbucks cup on the table during that scene.
@@orpheusofdreams oh thanks bahahhahaa. Well i havent seen s8 at all. Dont want it to be ruind. Waiting for the books
@@gevorkbabayan too bad. Everybody did jokes about it. You missed a lot of fun.
The fact that @2:45 is an actual quote still BOGGLES MY MIND.
After the Peral Harbor attacks, the Americans assembled a force to invade Japan, which got completely annihilated in sea because they kinda forgot about the Imperial Japanese Navy
Four years and multiple viewings does nothing to diminish how funny this one is.
"Oh also Bran is gunna warg into a crow"
"Oh, why's he do that?
"Unclear"
"Okay, gotcha!"
I actually snorted at that part. Comedy gold.
He... literally... hit *every* complaint I had... mind reader!!
Just call him joseph joestar
I would just add in Euron swimming miles in armor to show up exactly where and when Jamie arrives, mortally stabbing him twice - and then Jamie climbing thousands of stairs to be with Cersei...and then climbing back down to die by some bricks to the head. Oh and Sam becoming Grand Maester considering he has no little to no training and left the academy after basically being a janitor for a few months.
Just from what he says you can tell it's much worse than most of the other "Pitch Meetings" in his videos, too
He forgot the siege weapons infront of the army, arya and hound being slower than the army going south, arya just walking through the streets, nightswatch not being a thing anymore, wildlings marching north even though they want to live in the south, greyworm and dothraki not carying about john really, etc. Etc.... this ending man
Animatedzombie mango Yes
Anyone else watching this for the 30th time 2 years later just because it hurts so good?
"Does Danny remember who Cersei is?"
"Of course she does!" 😆
Wow. I didn't realize how delusionally charitable I was being until I watched this.
Danny McCaffrey now u know....share to others and sign petion also to get free enlightenment too...
Jonathan Schneider indeed...that above the clouds scene in ep3 was just...mythical...even the arya library walkind dead scene felt beutiful
It's ok, you're among friends now. Here's a hot beverage and comfy blanket.
Omg same here lmfao
I don't know how you could have missed it, it was a terrible ending that made no sense if you've been paying attention at all.
"We changed all of Jon's lines to 'She's our queen'"
SERIOUSLY
yea but he really says "shes mah queeen"
did he fall down a flight of stairs beforehand? that would make alot of sense
I remembered this season was bad, but I had forgotten *how* bad it was. This pitch meeting is the memento we need.
She goes to kill Cersei, right?
Yes, but she starts with.... EVERYONE ELSE.
It felt like so many people could have been the potential killer for Cersei (and it would have been satisfying).... instead it just ended up being a hug and some bricks for her final scene.
I'm pretty sure this is exactly how the actual pitch meeting went.
Add some drugs to the mix and you got it :)
The part about the studio offering them more episodes but the writers wanting six really is what happened at least.
Of course, these are *all* leaked footage from real pitch meetings - after all, how should Ryan be able to pull this off by himself?
@@jonathancampbell5231 HBO wanted 10 seasons of 10 episodes.
@@edgara4037 Facts, and HBO pratically gave them a blank check from what I've read.
‘The Council of Surviving Characters’ ….I tell ya, some of this Dude’s lines are Mint!🤗
Tyrion was right to go into the crypts. The knowledge he had was a wooden box could keep a white walker trapped across all of Westeros. Why would they suddenly be able to punch through solid stone? He had no way to know D and D would change the rules of the universe on him.
To be fair they weren't regular zombies, they were ancient Stark zombies.
Even with that knowledge, any sensible person would at least burn all the bodies to be sure.
@@leonpaelinck burn all the god knows how many corpses of ancient stark kings over the course of hours before considering it safe to hide there?
The wooden box had a wight in it, not a white walker. Two different things. The wights are zombies while the white walkers are the ice beings.
The fact you think it was a white walker in the crate just shows your level of thinking, just as bad as D&D
I've never watched a funnier more accurate, beautifully streamlined satirical video in my life. 10/10.
Really?
Matt Sanz Art peeps. More votes on this. This is the truest of the truth that happened
Yep, ON POINT second by second!
Hotel: Trivago
This is amazingly accurate. I also highly recommend videos by MauLer. Specifically the "unbridled rant" video for episode 3. It's a masterpiece of relentless sarcasm. Just don't eat or drink while watching it or you might choke on it the way I did!!
HBO: You can have more episodes.
D&D: I dun waun et. I neva-av
@What ? All they needed to do - at a bare minimum was make a season that made sense. Have the battles make sense. Have the character arcs finish in a satisfying way. You arent addressing the actual problems with the season you are arguing that the entire season couldn't be better because of outside factors. This just isnt true. Decisions to make certain things make no sense wouldn't cost anything to rectify. They only needed competent writers.
@What ? you can literally Google or CZcams "how season 8 should have ended" and find a better story... And I bet those people came up with that in less than 4 months.
@What ? * troll or insane/impaired confirmed
@What ? they could have made shorter seasons but more seasons like 10-12?
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This Pitch meeting is way better then GOT season 8
Dani forgot about the iron fleet with such conviction that it impacted here ability to physically see a bunch of tall ships while on dragon back at least 300 ft in the air!!😅😅😮😮
"Did you forget about the horse?"
"I forgot about the horse. She forgot about the horse. It's a very forgettable horse"
I DIED.
Thanks to the film History of the World Part 1 I can't see a white horse on screen without saying, "Miracle!" My friends who watched Lord of the Rings Part 2 with me were a little annoyed by this.
Project Mayhem lol I’ll make sure to watch it. Sounds interesting :)
@@mmariankaa It's my favorite Mel Brooks movie.
That sounds like a Seinfeld scene.
The horse forgot the horse
A furious Greyworm orders Tyrion not to speak: seconds later lets him deliver a monologue.
and then hes like "jon is our prisoner. we own this city now. you cant tell us what to do with our prisoner!" Tyrion, " its their city. they decide." Greyworm, "thats a good point. i didnt look at it that way."
All characters got serious dementia in the final season. Probably caught it from D&D.
@formless777No, the writers' initials.
And choose the next king
"Did he understand that the power of the throne corrupted her or did he just get mad at the one pointy thing in the room?" With this script writing quality, which one do you think it's the correct one? xD
Actually, the disappointment in season 8 would accurately be described as 50% of the viewers, 100% of the fans.
That news clip at the end says GoT disappointed nearly 50% of fans. How is it possible that over 50% weren’t disappointed??
Many of us were in denial at the time. If you asked now, it would probably be closer to 80%.
@@jeffallen55 That's how I felt about the HIMYM finale. Right after watching it, I thought, "Well, I would've done that differently, but that was still interesting to see where all the characters ended up." After taking time to reflect and rewatching it... I died a little inside.
I think the other 50% stopped watching the show before the finale. The rest stayed and were left disappointed.
They uhhh, how do i say this? they kinda forgot about it.
@@jeffallen55 Even 80% seems low haha
It's 2022 now. 2 years since pandemic started. 2 whole years to rewatched any good series. GOT didn't even come in mind.
This is the first pitch meeting I ever watched and left me in a rabbit hole watching every pitch meeting that I still today enjoy a new one every thursday
"The council of surviving characters" :D That's exactly what it was.
Freakhead X
The main cast and the aye-robots.
Freakhead X lol and why wouldn’t Bron be part of this council? He’s the Lord of highgarden now. He’s like literally the richest man in Westeros now.
Because we needed Bron for the later scene to advocate the funding of brothels over ships.
Get some last minute political intrigue before we wrap this up.
Pretty much
@@TheJaker5 and why do each of the starks get a vote? Why is Brienne there? Shes not a powerful lord. Umbers and bunch of other houses are more powerful but where are they? And why does davos get to be there?
I'm so sad that GOT got canceled after season 7. There was so much left to be answered.
There was season 7???
Last I remember is Dany finally sailing for Westeros and Jon becoming king in the north. They probably left it vague like that on purpose so we make up our own endings
I wish that was the case because then I could rewatch the series, but instead anytime I see anything game of thrones related, all I feel is an intense feeling of disgust and not the excitment I felt before.
It got cancelled after season 6, but they managed to film the first scene of season 7 before stopping.
So are we giving GoT S08 the "Avatar: The Last Airbender" movie treatment? There's no GoT S08 in Ba Sing Se.
truly 😥
I would love to see what happens after season 7 (Hope they would make a remake of s8 with GR.Martin as the writer)
I love that he keeps offering to give him more episodes but he keeps turning them down lol
The most shocking part was the headline at the end saying that NEARLY 50% of ppl were disappointed by the finale. Like, are you saying the majority WEREN'T disappointed?
Kit Harringtons Script for this season: "She is our qween", "You are ma Qwueen", "I DUNT WANT IT", "I Dunt Knoww", All followed by him having his mouth hang open like a imbecile.
Jon snow learning english grammar - You are my queen She is your queen She is our queen
You forgot his best line of the entire season: LITTLE CHILDREN, BURNED!
Thanks reddit
@@diogobuquera665 And that he won't justify what happened, BUUUUUT..........
more like "I dunt wa et"
- "It must be really hard to ruin such a good show"
- "Actually it’s super easy, barely an inconvenience!"
I predicted that would be the part
Damn spot on
Game of thrones died with Jon being betrayed, everything after that was his post-mortem nightmare
"Would you like some time? You can have it."
"No."
Gets me everytime 😂😂😂
"Council of surviving characters" 😂🤣
Such a good line.
That was the line that actually got me 😂😂😂.
Add Ned Stark... could have, should have... didn’t!!
@Ethan only problem with that now is that so many, including myself, have lost interest in the spin offs because of the way they ended it. I may watch some but I'm not amped up with anticipation like I was before this last season.🤷♂️
"Who has a better story than Bran?"
"Arguably any other character." :-D
It's a toss up between Bran and the Night King.
mattwho81 Maybe not theons uncle. I don’t even remember his name but he was trash. Anyways yea any other character.
It's so true. The only compelling element of Bran's arch was contingent on him becoming the 3 eyed raven to see what he'd do with that power... he did absolutely nothing with it... the guy could literally look at anything in history ever, warg anywhere on the planet, and potentially take over people's minds... yet did NOTHING. Yes, literally ANY other character is more interesting than that one-note useless waste of time.
What Tyrion meant with the stories thing was that Bran has basically all of history inside his mind, hence he would be the best candidate for king. Idk why people didn't get that.
NPC #69420 that’s still moronic.
I watch this over and over, remembering the stories I waited for