David and Dan Being DUMB AND DUMBER for 6 Minutes
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2021
- A Minute Straight video making fun of David Benioff and Dan Weiss who are the showrunners of Game of Thrones and are responsible for season 8. A fast cut of the stupidest lines they have ever said and memeing them with funny edits and titles, along with my own inclusions.
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We're not questioning your intelligence D&D, we're denying it's existence.
@《Philius Lupin》 They didn't write the first four seasons.
@《Philius Lupin》 No they didn't, George RR Martin did. They just adapted his work. The moment they ran out of stuff to adapt, they quickly revealed just how bad they actually were
@《Philius Lupin》 the total staff of game of thrones was in the thousands, these hacks hardly wrote anything
@《Philius Lupin》 you clearly didnt read the books 80% of the dialogue and symbolism is ripped directly from the page, watch season 6 7 and 8 again and youll notice the drop in dialogue quality
@《Philius Lupin》 but way to personally insult someone on something you dont know about
Actor explains why he thinks character should not be killed. Writers take it as personal attack and double down. Good work guys
Incompetence plus insecurity equals arrogance
Ian McElhinney having his character killed off then essentially mocked by the writers mirrors Ser Barristan being kicked out of the King's Guard and mocked by Joffrey and Cersei.
And true to character they didn't once see the parallel.
Yeah. At least Barristan went out like a boss, taking a bunch of Harpies with him.
@@jackdaone6469 he shoulda took two more down with him, although it would have been hard considering their nickname the derpies
@@MyBoomStick1
Yeah, perhaps so. I would’ve preferred Ser Barristan not to die, but Dumb and Dumber were also vindictive assholes on top of being incompetent.
Fun fact: The weird array of bodies that the White Walkers formed did have some significance. It actually represented the plot and character development going down the drain.
LOL
Oof!
YOU ARE A GOD
😭😭😭😭😭😭
The way I cackled reading this 😭
I love the precedent of "A lot of ancient civilisations had spiral symbols so we think they would too" and the contrast to Tolkien who wrote 3000 years of lore, an entire language and created songs and history to an entirely fictional world before even writing the Lord of the Rings, and he didn't have the highest grossing television show the dude was literally in a trench for half of it.
oh my days i havent laughed this hard in agessss "dude was literally in a trench for half of it" lmaooooooooooooooooooo
GRRM also wrote thousands of years of lore, but D&D kinda forgot about the books.
As good as Tolkien is… it’s literally Tolkien most fantasy series on tv aren’t that great and GOT without the source material was bound to slip and slide
You gotta love how both of them admit multiple times that they're incompetent.
Yet I don't understand how they got the job even though they had no experience or success before, how did they get to convince George and HBO?
It’s how they dismiss it; they don’t avoid it, they bring it up to deflect it, to…preemptively treat it as a joke
@@thedragondemands5186 Too true. You would think that after joking around that you don’t know what you're doing to your audience, you think that they would've taken HBO's advice and brought in more writers but Dumb and Dumber know best I guess.
@@nevenpatrk9661 they actively resisted hiring new writers because they knew they’d outshine them
@@thedragondemands5186 Well knowing the results, I don't think that adding more writers who might have more experience than D&D would've made it any worse.
I’m so glad people haven’t forgotten the pain these two left the fans.
And the actors 🥲
Yerp
yeah likewise
Last season was a total MESS, I would have preferred to have different Directors instead of going with these 2... even with all the mistakes still the best TV show so far I have watched
First 4 seasons used to be my favourite thing. I used to think about it everyday for many months. The interest level dropped drastically when I watched season 5, but went up in s6 but never reached its previous glorious level of awesomeness. But Seasons 7 and 8 really spoiled them. I rewatched the show several times after the finale. Finale did ruin the show. In the show there is an amazing promise , and majestic progress (half of it) , then there came a mediocre fanfic that tried to be original and valued shock rather than logic, and characters simplified, dialogues with lobotomizing quality to it.
And now our watch is ruined.
Let’s never forget where they wrote in season seven Bran saying “I can never be lord of anything” and then he becomes the king and says “why do you think I came all this way” like WHAT?
Well Bran kind of forgot...
Talking thrones wrote a season 9 for the show and what he does with that is actually pretty damn good. What he does with all of it is, tbh. He fixes the character assassinations that occurred during s7 and s8, expands quite a bit on explanations on things that we never got involving the lore of the night king, and the children of the forest etc
What he has happen in his series regarding the statement of “blood and fire” is incredible. Like I had to pause it for 10 mins to get over wtf I was listening to and what happened 😂😂 everyone who watched GoT needs to watch his s9
HOLY SHIIII I got likes 😂 appreciate all the fans that have brain cells 🤌🏻
"While Harry Potter in book 7 forgot about Voldemort, Voldemort certainly did not forget about him"
"While Frodo in Return of the King forgot about Sauron, Sauron certainly did not forget about him"
"While Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi forgot about the Emperor and Darth Vader they certainly did not forget about him ".
they made euron to easily defeat house dorne, destroy the unsullied fleet and have such huge boats with thousands of men, basically the English Fleet in the 15th century
and then they just thought the it would be adequate that fucking Daenerys Targaryen, who has been strategically taking over cities, armies, gathering allies and all, for almost the entire show would just...
this is madness
"While Obi-Wan Kenobi forgot about Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader certainly didn't forget about him"
"While Hitler forgot about the navy and bombers of the Allied Forces, they certainly did not forget about him"
@@zeynaviegas5043”house dorne” isn’t a thing, I think you meant house Martell (technically Nymeros Martell), the ruling house of Dorne.
@@AFPLJohnny yeah, you're correct. Dorne is that whole region right? it kinda sounds like Dune.
Never ever stop beating this dead horse please, its too good
It's not dead. Never will be. We will always hate them and what they've done to us.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It keeps coming back to life.
these vids need to continue
@@justinharvey7398 Whats dead will never die
No matter how much we want it to
The most tragic of all is that they actively rejected the studio's offer to finance several more full-length seasons in favor of this abortion of a finale.
It's such an abrupt turn of events: they ended up not even doing the 2nd project (Star Wars)...because they'd booked themselves for still a _3rd_ project (w/Netflix) + they started dreading animosity c/o the _1st project_ (plus Star Wars fandom, whose potential rowdiness toward them was worsened because of the 1st project's performance)
That’s what’s so infuriating if they tried and it was shit, I could respect that FAR more
@@bicarbonat1 Star Wars has already been mishandled by Lucasfilm and is in a bad spot because of it.
THEY DID WHAT?
@@snowash4052 HBO and GRRM wanted to take this series to 10 seasons backed with money and GRRM helping with the writing.
I imagine all of season 8 would be dealing with the Night King
Season 9 dealing with the war between the North/Dany vs Cersei
Season 10 dealing with the madness of Dany because everybody wants Jon to be king. D&D should have just passed the show to better people if they wanted to move on and saved the franchise.
5:17
Nik full-on looking into the camera with an expression you couldn't play off as anything but "Are you serious?" is priceless.
That was my face through it all
"It will be bigger but also be worse but mostly better"
-D.B Weiss
Best quote of century
It is quite hilarious how Benioff loves to talk absolute nonsense while having that somber and self-satisfied expression all the time
Haha, indeed. My Mom and I were discussing D&D one time, and she had the PERFECT description for DB Weiss, “he’s that guy at the party that purposely talks a little too quite so that everyone has to stop and lean in to hear what they’re saying.” Back to your comment though, they both just seem so self-aggrandizing with this air of false modesty
Yeah and if you watch the behind the scenes interviews you will notice how often they talk/brag about how much they can make the actor communicate without talking. I think most people assumed that they were not able to write any good dialogue after they could not copy them from the books and that is why there were so much less dialogue, but no. That was a deliberate chose they made to reduce the dialogue and they thought that it was so brilliant that they brag about it in a lot of behind the scenes interviews.
He’s a child trying to mime how he thinks serious adults sound
@@casperblocket these performances, these faces
"Love to smell their own farts" is the best way to sum up a personality like that. Because their head is stuck up their ass.
Imagine spending 10 years for painting the Monnalisa and then get bored and finish quickly adding some Stick figures on the background, thats how they do to this show
lol
The primary issue with D&D is that they were legitimately great at adapting the existing material by GRRM. That's why the earlier seasons are so good, and 'well written'...they quite literally took a lot of the writing from the books, including actually conversations and dialogue between the characters (admittedly stripped back for time aspects).
This is what a lot of people overlook. D&D never *were* great writers, that's the point. It wasn't as though they just decided to rush the ending or give up on the writing...it's that they simply reached a point at which the show outrun the books and so they couldn't use GRRM's writing as a foundation for theirs / the show's. This is why the last couple of seasons, and some of season 6 as well, feel very different tonally to the earlier seasons. Many of the episodes in season 1 and 2 are virtually direct visual transferrals of chapters from the 1st and 2nd books. All of the key scenes happen in nearly EXACTLY the same way as they do in the books, which is why the pacing, the writing and the climactic pay offs are so good.
However, given that GRRM never actually finished writing the last 2 books, D&D had to effectively just make up their own finale, writing-wise, which is why the whole house of cards comes crumbling down in season 7 and 8.
@@harrypike5140 They also did some non time/money changes in earlier seasons that were just bad. Talisa is a plot device to make Robb look like an idiot, instead of a teenager trying to do the right thing by marrying the girl he screwed while being on painkillers. Arya and Tywin never met for a very good reason (even though the scenes were wonderfully acted) and they screwed over Dorne, the Ironborn (especially Euron!) , Barristan Selmy and Edmure Tully. And why does LF know what happend to Sandor and tells Sansa instead of Sandor telling her?
They just had no clue on why things happen the way they do, as you said: they were never good writers and any original changes were done extremly poorly.
I think my personal best screw up would be Edmure. Book Edmure is one of the few Lords who really cares about his people and in the show he is a moron for any scene until the baby catapult that is from the books and then he goes back to being a joke, they weren't even consitend with their own changes.
Bro this the most perfect analogy ever for this situation.
😂😂😂😂
It’s amazing what ego can destroy. Wouldn’t even give this show to another writer when they initially wanted to quit.
These clips are a straight up confession out of their own mouths that everything fans concluded about these guys was 100% true.
I can't put into words the amount of second hand embarassment this gave me.
What do you mean? The people shown in this video weren't particulary embarassed in the first place
@@HoloDaWisewolf I was getting ready to argue with you but after thinking about it.. i think youre right lol wp
Are you sri lankan?
@@mikepilkington2156 lol same
@@ishanrukshan6431 nope. I'm Indian.
"We kinda forgot how to write romance so we just put two conventionally attractive people in close proximity. That works as a stand-in, right?"
Just look back at the effort GRRM made to show Robb fall madly in love with his wife. Then these asshats just wave a magic wand and poof they’re in love.
I haven't reached the end lf the video. Did they actually say it?
I was actually shocked when jon and Dany started going to town on each other. There was zero buildup on a relationship there. They just stared at each other until sex began
"Dany uses the SHE'S MUHHHH QUEEN ability. It's super effective! Jon was seduced."
Wow, elevators must be full of steamy sessions, then
4:25 okay Emilia’s face here is golden but also look at GRRM’s soul leaving him for a moment lmao
XD
Nikolaj's reaction when he heard nobody has a history of family in Westeros 💀💀💀 i'm dead
"While dany kind of forgot about the iron fleet" Jesus Christ I nearly destroyed my phone after hearing that sentence. Why would she forget about such a powerful enemy fleet that she needs to defeat to sit on the iron throne???
You don't understand....
D&D said she Forgot....so that's it apparently.
yea the moment they planned their movement towards KL after the NK died I assumed that Lannister´s will be waiting INSIDE dragonstone for Daenaerys to arrive and then use the iron fleet to cut off their escape (her fleet)
IIRC "dont forget the Iron fleet" was literally in the scene before...or maybe two scenes...like the editor wanted to rub in the stupidity....(stupidity of Dany or D&D, your choice)
@@ChrisisisB I say D&D. The characters after all out of character when it was convenient. That's bad writhing.
It's very realistic though. Kind of like when Germans completely forgot about Britain when they invaded France.
I love emilias face. She’s like “whaaaat”
"It will be bigger and it will also be worse...but mostly better"
"BEST SEASON EVER"
Best face ever
She’s got strong eyebrow game I swear if you took away every one of her facial features apart from her eyebrows you would still be able to see the exact emotion she wished to portray.
I needed to screenshot Emilia's face. The expression has just the intensity that these morons thought the emoting would have...
Oh, and then there is Nikolai Coster-Waldau... 😂🤣
"I don't distrust you because you're inexperienced. I distrust you because you're not as smart as you think you are."
This just screams "When you lie on your resume but still get the job" XD lol
It’s the dilbert principle people with good hair get promoted
“We didn’t just want fantasy fans to love it, we want parents to love it, we wanted football players to love it...”
HUH??!? Bro what are these clowns even saying
Literally makes no sense I can’t even begin to understand what he meant by “parents”
Basically people who are not invested at all to the story...
Once you figure out what they meant to say, it's even worse. Here's a translation from Hollywood speak: "We didn't just want NERDS to love it, we also wanted people who are ABLE TO HAVE SEX and PLAY SPORTS to love it".
@@vmae411 Both "parents" and "football players" are just ways to say "non-nerds". Because, in their view, fantasy nerds don't have sex nor do sports. That's what they thought of their core audience.
They're saying parents and football players never enjoy Fantasy ever. Lol
I'm starting to actually appreciate this phenomenon more than the actual show. It's fascinating to me how these videos, which are intended to look like documentaries, contain within them statements so stupid that it makes me feel deeply ashamed without even having participated in the writing of the show.
What astonishes me the most they aren't even lying. They say it how it is and nobody gets back at them. They don't make the effort to pretend it's gonna be good or that they have skill, just tell it how it is. Even the actors are shocked and confused.
Really shows how great George is, that these 2 knobheads couldn’t even mess it up until they had to start actually thinking for themselves
This outrage culture is getting pathetic.
@@newbiegain117 Calling it outrage culture makes it sound as if it's not backlash for legit reasons. In GoT's case, it's legit. It's now become the iconic example of a ruined show.
I did feel outrage at the time, probably because it was so unnecessary, no one was forcing a swift lazy resolution to the series, there was (bizarrely) no studio interference which is normally the cause of projects becoming derailed, there was no budget slashing, the fans were still invested (despite a wobbly previous season), just two guys deciding that the show had to end as soon as possible and no-one else should be allowed to run it to a proper conclusion. Very odd. I don't feel outrage now, just a bit sad because I very much doubt the book series will be completed, not that George is obligated to, he owes me nothing. Something that was exciting and interesting (and there's not many things like that around anymore) turned into a bit of a turd.
It really is incredible how a show that was at the center of our society’s pop culture became so irrelevant and hated so quickly. Well done to these writers, something like that is very difficult to accomplish
It's not hated, D and D are hated.
5:16, the way Nikolaj abruptly looks at the camera is fricking hilarious, it also makes sense, because from the start of the season 8 conferences and interviews, Nikolaj has been secretly telling us how bad things would be.
Yeah for a lannister, hes pretty bad at hiding his true feelings as a person irl
I still can't get over the "Arya felt like the best choice to kill the Night King". Like no
But the reasoning for their decision is even worse - they chose her because they didnt think of her previously? Haha wtf??
@@MrJasa89 that level of hacks they are. Unbelievable but true. Good thing they did not conclude Podrick Payne was right man for the job.
@@MrJasa89 yea it bugs me so so so much. the first mistake was giving jon snow the plot armour like EVERY TIME HE WAS FUCKING SAVED BY OTHERS or luck just was with him which IS SO NOT GAME OF THRONES and also they put expectations before a good plot like they literally thought that arya killing the night king would shock us like what .got was perfect till s4, mediocre by s6 although the ending of s6 was really cool and DOG SHIT BY S8
@@Harahvaiti going by their logic we should be thankful that they didnt introduce Donald Trump to kill the night king, going by their logic wE wErEn't tHiNkInG aBoUt hEr
@@camille8064 first the very manner in which Army of the Dead was defeated.. so cheap. Kill the Night King and all others will die. That's exact same way how in Stark Trek Borg was defeated when their queen was destroyed. Also pure rip off from the LOTR as well, when Sauron fell so did his army. After Season 4, GOT simply wasn't the same show. There was no cause and effect. Best example is Tyrion. Varys saves his ass, they both join Daenerys, later Varys turns against her and Tyrion rats that to Daenerys who burns Varys. Right after that, Tyrion commits treason because he wants Cersei to escape with Jamie unpunished for her crimes - and plot armor given to Tyrion by D&D saves him from everything and he gets his Disney ending. From Season 5 till the end, no matter the remaining source material, GOT was high budget fan fiction of Benioff and Weiss, not real Martin's work.
5:14 Jaime be like: is my 8 thousand years of ancestry a joke to you?
Nikolaj's face was priceless, omg 😂
and "no one has a family history with Westeros"....ehmmm what?? Excuse me?
Proves the theory again that they never read the books or probably had an intern print out the Wikipedia summaries for them
"Nobody's connected to Westeros"
*Laughs in Children of the Forest, Andals and the First Men*
He was sitting there thinking of how Jaime and Cersei were the last secret Targaryen children left to be revealed and how he was actually Azor Ahai reborn, youngest son of the Mad King Aerys and rightful heir to the Iron Throne.
To be fair i think I THINK that he was talking about the real world and fans. That Westeros is not a real place with real history so any one of us can feel connected to it.
@@i.t3854 Which is still also bollocks because it's ultimately G.R.R.M's vision and they butchered it.
The look on the actors faces when Dumb and Dumber are talking is priceless.
4:38 really shows how out of touch they are with their fanbase- did they really think being a parent / football fans to be mutually exclusive with liking a fantasy based story?
The look of Jamie's actor when they said nobody had an history of families in Westeros
5:14
It's the most accurate facial expression of all time.
Varys too
Right??? Like... THAT IS THE ENTIRE WHOLE ASS STORY
🤨
@@maggiejmorton still stupid
"while dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet."
varys: am i a joke to you?
Yes, yes he was.
@@joetowers4804 understandable, have a nice day.
Even while there’s a map showing the fleet on it that she sees constantly. 🤦♂️
@@ryanatorryanson9535 right? How did they slip up so bad? That's just next level incompetence: not knowing what the fuck you put in the final cut.
@@lauxantilles Because they just didn’t care anymore. They wanted to go a 1,000 mph because they thought they were going to get a set of Star Wars films. Thank god that never happened.
So they were the least prepared, the least experienced, the most clueless about how to do their job and were aware of that, and when someone who had been working with them for years suggested that they were doing something wrong they went "Lol now I wanna do it even more"
Naming these two "dumb and dumber" is an offense to the original dumb and dumber.
If they brainstormed 'a number of different versions' of the ending, and "Tyrion taking control of his own trial and deciding that bird boy should be king because his boring-ass story was so great" was the BEST one they had, God only knows what monstrosity the other versions were.
3:45 - on the pushback from the actor about killing off Barristan when he's alive in the books...my god that smirk. And not just a smirk, he _bursts out laughing_ ...and then continues to _struggle to control his chuckling_ when recounting how he intimidated the actor, and in turn this intimidated all the others into silence. He's drunk on power.
Yeah, they're cruel.
@@gfilmer7150 and petty
@@thedragondemands5186 Very. They gave Jon Snow a small pecker because they were jealous of Kit Harrington’s fame.
Yeah and they add about cutting more characters which left them with none to kill in the final season when it made the most sense.
@@shannond7437 They cut Aegon “Young Griff” and Jon Connington which had a butterfly affect on Daenerys’ arc. They cut Val, unfortunately getting rid of Jon’s second chance at a relationship. You get the point.
This is the most successful show ever. And yet a few years after its ending, it's NOWHERE in popular culture, no parodies, no fanfics, no memes ... while older shows like Breaking Bad, The Office are still living, discussed, shared, recommanded. They totally ruined its legacy with the last season.
After season 4 it went completely downhill I hope this show is rebooted once the books are completed
Season 6 has not one but two of the highest rated episodes on Imdb both scoring an astonishing 9,9 the only other 9,9 episode is rains of castamere from season 3.
@@Nik-6675 I’d take most of seasons 1-4 still. The story was much better than those episodes
even Lost, despite people not loving the ending still gets spoken about in high regard
They ruined there legacy as early as season 5
Kit Harrington's facial expressions at 3:25 are absolutely comical
I remember the marketing strategy in the final episodes of the show when the backlash 1st started was "not everyone will like it cause not everyone's character will win". Trueee, but no one "liked" the Red Wedding yet every real fan knows it had to happen in order for the rest of the show to transpire. Instead the followed the wants of Twitter stans who cheered for the hot people.
In retrospect the fact that one of them co-wrote X-Men Origins Wolverine and the plot point of Deadpool having his mouth sewn shut should have been our first red flag about giving them ASOIAF to adapt
The Merc with the mouth! David: “Yeah let’s fix that”
I kind of like the movie but yeah the what they did with deadpool was stupid I guess, but I aint a comic book fan so when I watch I had no clue about backstory, in this case I was just like casuals who enjoyed season 8 lol
They adapted the books amazingly, even adding scenes that made it better. The problems only started when they ran out of source material to adapt.
@@aesir1ases64 The film would have been better if they had just made a full feature length film of the title sequence, with Wolverine and Sabertooth battling through history.
Let's not forget that these two did an utterly brilliant job of straight adaptation. Their struggles began as they ran out of direct material to adapt. Basically, nobody did the race better when following an established and well-understood route through the near-wilderness, but once the race moved into the wild with only vague maps and other hints of information to lead the way they bogged down tremendously.
5:13
I like to believe Nikolaj is so confused by what DB is saying that his eye literally starts twitching.
He probably knew that Jaime is the actual hero in the books like many people have picked up on over the years.
That was painful to watch 😂
@@cuylshepherdton7437 It breaks my heart that we'll never get to see Nikolaj playing the real Jaime Lannister from the books. He'd have done so well with Jaime's redemption arc.
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Jaime ended after season 4, after that it's jAiMe*
He must have thought for a moment he forgot how to speak the English language because that entire speech made no sense whatsoever.
The sheer petulant arrogance it takes for D&D to say of Barristan's actor that his reasoned letter to them to not kill his character made them want to kill his character more is so infuriating. That moment makes me truly pity them as they seem more like children emotionally than ever.
I love how they sometimes admit that they have no idea what they're doing and then breaking into laughter. As if they are trying to fathom how they're still allowed to be doing this and getting away with it.
"... but sometimes clever people overestimate their own cleverness."
Yeah, right. And sometimes - just sometimes! - very inept people overestimate their non-existing cleverness. And underestimate their obvious stupidity.
Well I mean...Tyrion did make mistakes like when he was Hand, giving Mycella to Dorne. Sure he figured out who ratted him out but Pycelle is small compared to Varys and Littlefinger. But certainly your second half of post to D and D.
@@Irrelevant402 - Very basically, I referred to D&D. But yes, the character of Tyrion went from brilliant to dumb, sadly.
I laughed out loud when they thought reversing a copy paste quote was somehow clever. "Love may be the death of duty but perhaps duty is the death of love" Wow, that wasn't quaint or poetic it was a lazy attempt to sound convincing.
4:23 Uhh.. what? "Worse but better".
Emilia's reaction here was perfect 😂
George reaction was "You have no idea"
Her thick eyebrows said it more
How these two adapted the books so well for the first four seasons is beyond a mystery to me.
Bah...not so well. The book story was a lot better, and they cut a lot. The ironborn people and culture were awful in the show since season 2. The Freys were too cartoonishly bad with horrible clothes and helmets, when in the books look like another noble house and have plenty of decent members too. Balon should've died before Robb. Stannis's storyline and character were UTTERLY DESTROYED since day 1. Robb and Edmure were made too dumb. Renly and Loras were ruined a solely defined by being gay. And more stuff.
They had passion then, then not only they lost their passion, they also ran out of material to adapt so shit went down the drain
@@theproindagames9387 Only someone who didn't read the books would think D&D "ran out" of material to adapt, when they shamelessely cut out entire plotlines, prematurely killed characters (Stannis, Barristan, and more), rushed other plotlines. Those 2 cut out most of the books. They barely adapted them.
@@gooby214 oh I know they cut out a lot of things, but that is simply how adaptations work, things that work in books don't work as well in shows and viceversa.
My argument stems from the fact that in the early seasons (1-4) they not only adapted the material they had, but also added to it in meaningful ways, they were passionate about what they were doing. Season 5 then had a significant decline in quality which I wholeheartedly believe stems from the issue of running out of literal books to adapt, they had material yes, but not the full picture, so they had to write in the gaps with their original stuff which is why S5 is such a mixed bag.
Seasons 1-4 were great, nigh flawless in my opinion, just because they cut some stuff out from them that was in the books doesn't make them unenjoyable, I still wish we had gotten things like Lady Stoneheart and Young Griff but oh well.
No, I haven't read the books, nor do I intend to, I am not interested in investing into reading a series that will likely never get finished but that is besides the point. GoT had all the potential to not only be a worthy adaptation of a ASOIAF but to be one of the best shows in tv history, even when considering the fact that plotlines that were cut up to S4. It is not about how faithful GoT is as an adaptation, its about how good a show it was, and I truly believe S5 is where the trouble started.
They cared at the beginning. They lost interest and stopped trying. They thought they could rush it and people would still like it because it's GoT.
“Westeros doesn’t belong to anybody”
GRRM: …
"just he gets lucky" what a terrible excuse for poor writing. Nobody NOBODY gets lucky in game of thrones. Our favourite characters die left and right because of the reality of the world they live in, nobody is safe.
The "Just he gets lucky" excuse is hidden speech for "We gave him plot armor just because"
It's like the Hound said, "Safety?! Where the fucks that?"
Some people get lucky in GOT just not a single man on foot surviving a full cavalry charge lucky.
@@georgeferrett1799 I agree. If that was a few seasons back, guarantee most of them would've been dead.
If only Robb, Ned and Oberyn had Jon's "luck" lol
"It will be bigger, and it will also be worse" is the most unintentionally hilarious thing that could have come out of that dead-eyed face in that moment
The most frustrating part is that they could have hired whoever they wanted to help write the last season but failed to acknowledge their lack of talent. Imagine the ego that must take
The faces Emilia and Nikolaj make are preciousless 😂 They say everything
“Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet”
Seriously, how did she forget? Was she more occupied with what she should get one of her dragons for their birthday?
She was too busy staring at Jon and letting the heat of their intense gazes distract her
He was referring to himself. His name is Dan, afterall.
@@cuylshepherdton7437 omg, the idea that all this time Dany is referring to Danny, as in Dan Weiss....wow
She was very busy managing her other business, Starbucks. 🤣
also doesnt she have eyes
I love how they think they're showing off their writing skills when in truth they're just explaining exactly why the last seasons did not work lol
Welllll...they *were* being totally honest:
They didn’t understand the story they were trying to tell.
They were given too much freedom, money, and power with zero oversight.
They didn’t even care enough about their own professional reputations to even try to do even a halfway decent job concluding story lines on GOT. The excuse that they worked 364-1/2 days a year of their lives for 10 WHOLE YEARS-oh waaa waaa ya little whiny baby and how much money were you personally paid? I feel so sorry for you-not!
"It will be bigger and it will also be worse... but mostly better" That sudden moment of lucidity followed by an attempt to backtrack and correct it was a surprisingly self aware thing to hear from one of them.
Never let these dudes touch an unfinished series ever again
they're so proud of their ignorance when they talk about the failed pilot. it's actually disgusting. not only a waste of money, but a waste of the talent involved (not THEIR talent ofc lol), and a show of disrespect for everyone's time, money and work.
Sadly, the most talentless people (Benioff and Weiss) associated with the show got paid the most. Literally everyone else delivered their best.
The dorne plot pisses me off the most they had Alexander sidigg who I’m a huge fan of of since ds9 and they wasted his role in the story
@@Nostalgia_Addict How were they talentless lol? Remember the first four seasons full of brilliant episodes? That was also their doing. People like you only see the downsides..
Because it's just a fun anecdote, no one lost anything, everyone got paid and in the end the show went on to be succesful. If they'd never gotten the chance to re made that pilot and the show was never made I'd get your point.
@@pachyderm8264 I agree that they do have talent in regards of adapting an already written story. (They ran out of materials from the ASOIAF books after the 4th season). They did a good job of doing the characters and all their character arcs as already written for them in the books justice. But they are absolutely horrendous in writing original story/material, which is pretty hilarious since their job description is literally a 'Writer'.
The more you hear them the more it makes sense why Season 8 was a disaster. They were incompetent and unimaginative to begin with!
That they were unmonitored was the problem.
The show was a disaster way before season 8.
@@deeta000 It was not
@@pachyderm8264 Season 5 onwards sucks (progressively more).
@@pachyderm8264 stop the cope.
Found your channel just the other day. This is cathartic af. Thank you.
Omg this made me angrier than I expected, but also I couldn't help but laugh especially at Emilia Clarke's face when Dan said it would be worse hahaha
I really felt sorry for Ian McElhinney since he was a book fan and wanted to act out Barristan's chapters in ADWD (which are ridicously awesome, mind you). And then they abruplty kill off his character in a silly way. And then joke about it. Classy.
That's David "I can do it better than George R.R. Martin" Benioff for you
@@krystianawniczak1736 nah that’s “I can’t do better so we’re going to just kill you off, and then you had the audacity to try and correct and call me out on my decision and I can’t handle criticism or being called out for incompetence so now you really have to go.”
@@krystianawniczak1736 nah it's David "I don't know what I'm doing" Benioff
Yep, I was so disappointed about that. I was so excited to see Barristan being a badass and seizing power in Meereen in the name of his queen (the only Meereen stuff I liked), and they just... kill him off in the most disposable say not even halfway into the season. The fact that the actor was a book fan and was excited to play out Barristan's awesome storyline makes it even more devastating. But no, gotta give more screen time to their favourite character, Saint Tyrion.
This is how to write fanfic. This is NOT how to write a multimillion dollar tv show!!!
Emilia’s face at 4:30 is priceless, that woman is a treasure. It never ceases to amaze me how dumb D&D actually are. It’s impressive how incompetent they are
I thought the 7th season was dumb enough on its own , hearing these two talking about it somehow made it even worse
What makes it sadder is the book series will never be finished so this is the only ending we’ll get
Well if that's the case then i'm sure there'll be writers line up for the chance to finish it, and they will definitely do another tv show in a decade or two.
"We were hired to make an epic, bloody and dark fantasy show, but we wanted it to be for parents and professional football players too."
So then why did Tyrion challenge Cersei to a trial by combat?! Instead it should have been a match of junior league fantasy football!
Just admit it D&D: you disappointed everyone ...
The very first episode of the show literally starts with the fantasy aspect, the white walkers, immediately establishing that it’s a fantasy show. It makes no sense to suddenly make it as non-fantasy as possible.
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Thank you for bringing up this trauma again
I need at least 2 years to recover…. AGAIN
4:23 "it will be bigger and it will also be worse" that one always gets me! And that zoom in on Emilia! lmao it was hilarious!
When I thought I massively fucked up making terrible choices in my life and there is no hope for the future then I remember these guys.
It will forever baffle my mind that HBO put their biggest show in the hands of these numbskulls instead of hiring new wrtiers. This is probably the only time in history where the "suits" should've taken the reigns away from the "artists"...especially since D&D weren't even the creators.
If I recall correctly Benioff's father is friends with some higher-ups in HBO. And audience was growing every season so HBO didn't have the reason to fire them despite the significant drop in quality after season 4
They never should have hired them in the first place.
@@krystianawniczak1736 omg no did daddy have to fix a job for him because he couldn’t get one on his own?
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I love the confused actors in the background :D
Still loving how no one is forgiving or forgetting these fools ❤️
I love this channel, that’s why I finally clicked on this video as it repeatedly popped up. 2 years later and it still makes me so mad.
It’s like someone started making a beautiful, complex stew that took several days to prepare and then in five minutes two dudes broke into the house to rob the place, knocked half of the stew on the floor when they were climbing through the kitchen window, then refilled the pot with tap water and said “nobody will ever know”
Perfect.
Or like a complex, glorious symphony that builds up into a swelling crescendo, and then ends with these two making farting noises with their armpits.
Or start throwing in a bunch of cheap, overly processed foods like those plastic looking single sliced cheese or a couple pack of hotdogs.
I thought you were going to say two dudes broke in and took a shit in the stew. Disappointed that you didn't
5:10 Alright this quote broke me, they have to be fucking with us
He had to be high lmao
Spouting literal nonsense
The best show I've ever seen has the worst ending I've ever seen. I don't think I'll ever get over it. If seasons 5-8 were as good as 1-4 this show would go down in history as an all-time classic.
Bro this is HILARIOUS. YOUR ASIDES ARE ABSOLUTE GOLD I’m sending this to all my friends
What I love most about the writing is that all of the actors know it’s bad and contrived.
You can find clips showing every single major actor either laughing at the writing, looking confused at David and Dan, or looking outright pissed off reading the script.
They didn’t take the proper action to prevent the degradation of their characters.
They could have simply said “no. Fix it. Then we will act”.
They didnt. They chose money over story. Just like Dumb and Dumber.
@@antibull4869the actor who played Barristan tried. It “only made them want to kill him off more”
In that interview of Dumb and Dumber with Kit and John, they forget that Sam is a PoV character in the books
I was expecting that one in this video. I think there was an audience question about which character they did most enjoy writing scenes for, that wasn't a POV Character in the books. Wenn Dumb pointed to John Bradley-West (Actor who plays Sam) Kit Harington looked so incredibly embarassed because in this moment it became painfully clear to everyone that D&D either didn't read A Song of Ice and Fire or kinda forgot that Sam is indeed a POV character. Thats just so incredibly unprofessional if you are responsible for running the show that is meant to be an adaptation of these books.
I also like how neither Kit nor John look like they want to be there. They look like hostages lol
Can you link that? I want to be let down some more
@@crimsoncrewjp given that they ruined his character who by all (means even in the books from what I've heard) is the primary protagonist and was hinted at numerous times with this prophecy thing that he's to save the world, yeah the guy has every reason to be mad
@@delta2372 I personally think Jaime is meant to be the prophesied hero and Jon Snow is the final red herring. Jaime gets the best character and redemption arc in the entire book series and could very well be the son of the Mad King and therefore a secret Targaryen bastard, just like Jon Snow.
3:51 poor Kit just sitting there like “help me”. Doing his best not to loose it😂
“It will be bigger and it will also be worse, but mostly better.”
…what… **insert Emilia’s confused face**
I wish they hired Supercuts Delight to write the show. I genuinely feel he would have done a great job. Please continue your GOT videos.
Depends on how he does Stannis.
I think Alt+Shift+X would be a better hire than supercut
@@PS-ug7nm Put them in a room together, I think they’d do well.
@@gfilmer7150 I never expected him to read this comment and like it as well 😂
@@PS-ug7nm Neither did I.
Daenerys' turn to madness... oh boy do they do a bad job at explaining that. Also, them talking about Stannis and Renly's negotiation along with the reasoning for Stannis burning Shireen, yeah, they clearly didn't know what they were talking about.
I hate to defend this, but according to famous screenwriter and screenwriting teacher John Truby Daenerys´s development ist following the textbook. In his book "The Anatomy of Story" he describes the arc how main screen characters should evolve. And they come to a point of selfrevelation, after a battle, when all their advisors or loved-ones are absent, when they really understand their true being. This realization is sudden, new and shattering to the character. But after it happen they will fully understand who they are and will follow this new vision. We only are used to it being a positive outcome for the character, but this is no guarantee this has to be this way. For more: czcams.com/video/4LhIAAQ5o6k/video.html . As I already mentioned before, this is the only good thing to be said about season 8. What a waste of time and energy!
@@lanzknecht8599 Daenerys won… the city surrendered… no one wanted Cersei… everyone hated The Lannisters… the show had multiple opportunities to hint at Daenerys becoming The Mad Queen and guess what, they didn’t. The writers actively cut Daenerys’ character development from the books, specifically A Storm of Swords (book 3) and A Dance With Dragons (book 5). They weren’t going for The Mad Queen until *THE LAST SEASON* . They turned Daenerys into a hero and then got bored and tried to subvert expectations. Hell, they were so against Daenerys being perceived as bad, that they cut a major character from the books, a boy named Aegon “The Young Griff” Targaryen, son of Prince Rhaegar. Rhaegar’s old friend Jon Connington is Hand to Aegon. When book 5, ends Aegon and Jon Connington invade Westeros with The Golden Company and are preparing to make their move against Tommen and Cersei. The Dornish, The Tarlys, and the people of King’s Landing are implied to be joining his cause. Why is this important? Because Daenerys is gonna loose her claim to The Throne. This boy is everyone’s worst nightmare, a benevolent Targaryen Prince who everyone wants to follow. If Aegon were to be the trigger to turn Daenerys mad, guess what, that makes sense. George R.R. Martin laid down a ton of potential groundwork for that outcome, and Aegon’s the perfect adversary for that arc.
The most infuriating thing is that it could have been fixed so easily. The city could just NOT have surrendered and Dany would have been forced to choose between the two things she always wanted the most, i.e. either finally ascend to the Iron Throne OR save innocent lives (by giving up). This dilemma would have been fascinating, but instead we got 'Oh yeah, guess she's mad now. Look how we SuBvErTeD YoUr ExPeCtAtIoNs.'
@@Madeleine_des_Esseintes There was also the fact that they cut Aegon VI “Young Griff” Targaryen.
@@gfilmer7150 Let´s not talk about the books. There were a lot of hints that Daenerys was taking a development to what Truby calls "from leader to tyrant", when the main character changes from showing and inviting people on his/her way to forcing them to follow. Did you watch the video I linked? I didnt say that Daenerys´s development and story was good writing but her change was simply according to the textbook.
The best thing about these two is that they truly inspire me on my screenwriting journey. I have a deep passion for never being anything like them.
I cant even bring myself to re-watch this show knowing what these idiots did to its ending.
"sometimes clever people overestimate their own cleverness"
he'd know
3:58 that 'joke' is the biggest insult in tv history. I feel so heartbroken for Barriston's actor.
Same. It really sounds like they didn’t take him seriously at all which is just disgusting. Characters in a show may be like pawns on a chessboard but actor are not. Ian deserved more respect from them.
The undeniable truth of GoT is that it sank from being an intelligent, complex, character-driven epic all the way down to a cookie-cutter, Hollywood action comedy...
It really was painful to watch the show's rapid and dramatic decline after spending several seasons becoming invested in this world.
Wait they’d never written or ran a show before?
Oh my god that explains so much
there's seriously more than enough material to make a SERIES of short video montages like this
Please! It helps with the healing process. There’s a lot of unresolved anger out there among us GOT fans to this day.
Which would be a much better watch than the final season of GOT
The way they disrespected Barristan fuels me with a primal anger
BARRISTAN POV CHAPTERS ARE THE BEST WHY WOULD THEY GET RID OF THEM
The only " couple " in television history who has less chemistry than Dany and John is Harry and Ginny.. (Gendry and Arya is up there too)
“Once this one’s done, I can’t really imagine doing another.” Yeah, well, I can’t imagine you doing another [anything] either.
I will so sad for Barristans actor!
I try to drown my memories of his character's demise by watching him on "Derry Girls"
Don't be they would have ruined the character if he stayed for longer and unless he is starving it's for the better he got off in time.
*(“It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.”)*
There’s enough proof of these idiots being living showcases of that quote-for this video to be 10+ hrs.
D&D kind of forgot about that saying.
5:14 this reaction is so much better knowing that nikolaj openly voiced his issues with the writing
I feed on your hatred for these 2. It's my morning cereal every day
So, apparently two grown men believe that being in a small-ish room with someone of the opposite sex can be enough to fall deeply in love with them...
K.
Nothing more romantic than walking through a dingy cave looking at pre-historic drawings of spirals and stick figures, with someone you've met like an hour ago. Doesn't even have to be the opposite sex, this is like an instant love recipe - if Jon went there to show Tyrion first, we'd have a wild love affair between a Lion and a Wolf on our plates, no question about it.
I weep for Amanda Peet
Oh my god their incels
Wow, elevators must be so amazing then
0:33
"They are starting to be attracted to each other. And so much of it is not from dialogue or anything we wrote, it's just them being in a small space, standing near each other, whilst just watching that and feeling the heat of that."
David, you idiot, that's not love, that's a lit torch!
explains the cold snap that always came through
I’ve never seen a show go downhill so fast.
DnD: It's not the random surprise that you didn't see coming
Also DnD: We had Arya kill the Night King since no one saw it coming