Joe Rogan: Gordon Ryan, The BJJ GOAT, admits using Steroids
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- čas přidán 5. 01. 2023
- The Joe Rogan Experience # 1920
Joe and Dave talks about Gordon Ryan's use of steroids as Performance Enhancing Drugs (PED), which is prevalently known to be used by other athletes in BJJ tournaments.
Dave Portnoy is the founder of the website and digital media company Barstool Sports.
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Brandon Vera is a perfect example of what Steroids can do for a Combat Athlete.. he got beat up in the UFC, left and went to Asia where they don't test for Steroids, and extended his Career by 15 Years!!!! Not only did he fight 10 or 15 years after he washed out from the UFC, he was Champion!!!
Interesting, didn't know he went on to fight but I ran into him at EDC a couple years post his ufc career and i remember thinking this guys on the sauce now lol.
Double champ at that lol
Asia doesn't have large man. His opponents were some 5'10 pudgy 44 year Olds.
Steroids in fighting shouldn’t be allowed
That could also be a result of a difference in competition…
Joe bro he “openly” admits it to YOU not everyone else ☠️☠️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Nah gordon kinda implies it. In one of his recent instagram post someone asked. ‘How good would u be without gear?’ And gordon answered with ‘i would still be 20 years ahead of everyone else in the sport.’ And he said too ‘Don’t like steroids in bjj. Ban em’ Which also implies he use them
Oops...
@@novicelifts5197 that’s not openly admitting it now is it
@@JeromeBlessedHolloway yeah i know that’s why i said he implies it
@@novicelifts5197 that is reading into it to hard
For those curious, Gordon did admit to taking TB500 in one of his Texas vlogs from Flograppling, where he visits the clinic run by his friend to collect his BPC-157 and TB500 supply. TB500 is considered a banned substance by all the major sports organizations (as far as I know). Of course, in addition to TB500, I suspect he takes other peptides that increase testosterone as well as TRT I think. Only the TB500 (and BPC-157, which is allowed) is confirmed by him on the video, while the rest is just conjectured by me.
Is that Tiana ball? My spelling could be incorrect.
I live an hour from that clinic in Austin and I think about going everyday
TB500 is not an androgen. His physique at competition isn't a TRT physique, it's more of a 200-500mg weekly plus maybe an oral. Gordon sort of admitted when in an interview he said his team is known for not using steroids and then he walked it back and said something like "well, not as much as other teams". That one pic from a few years ago where he was huge and crazy shredded is more of a Tren look but I don't know if he would bother with something that harsh. TRT doesn't allow you to go much over 1000 mg/dl when you get tested. That isn't enough to get way bigger than you naturally would. 500mg weekly will put you around 3-4000. TRT is not a cycle and isn't magic. Going against Andre he had to be big because Gaval is a monster. In recent videos he is smaller, maybe natural? Or cruising on a small amount?
@@Itaintaboutcolordianabol. He could be, but there’s so many options out there that no one can say for sure what it is.
Peptides don't increase testosterone as they aren't androgenic. There are peptides that increase Growth Howmone though. TB500 and BPC157 are known as "repair proteins" and are literally just used to increase recovery rate and to speed up recovery from injuries.
Oof Joe rogan dropped the ball on this one. Gordan has never 100% openly admitted taking steroids even though we all know it. Lol
No kidding lol! 😂
I don't think it's ever been states explicitly, but it's about as close to it as possible. Lately in a lot of his IG posts and replies, he essentially admits it without doing so. Someone asked the other day, "How good would you be without gear?"
He said, "I'd still be 20 years ahead of everyone else in the sport."
He never said, "I take gear." But that's about as close as humanly possible to admitting it without actually admitting it.
He basically admits it all the time, especially recently, the last thing I remember is him saying “don’t like PEDs in grappling? Ban them lol”
This isn't Joe Rogans channel 😆
@@LilParticle fax, he's never denied it but has implied it all the time. You never wanna openly admit it. It's bad for the image.
How can the manager of Paddy Pimblett have no idea who Gordon Ryan is or even what Ju Jitsu is. Mind blowing stupidity or just lack of effort.
Joking? 🤔
Agreed what a tool
I'm sorry I haven't heard about this before, wheres the info from.
barstool is just a sponsor, not a manager
So, you're saying Dave Portnoy is Paddy Pimblett's manager?
They should allow PED’s for recovery. Allow everyone to do the same drugs, not to get bigger or stronger, but for recovery.
Bro all this time I thought Gordon Ryan was 50
You thought the greatest no gi grappler was 50? Are you autistic
I thought his hair and beard were white because of age at first
Joe exposed his own friend 🤣
TB-500 is not a steroid. It's a peptide that increases blood flow to soft tissues to accelerate repair of injuries and such. Might give you more endurance, but it doesn't have a known effect on androgens to my knowledge. That being said, I'm almost certain Gordon Ryan is on things that do affect his androgens lol
That’s not all he’s taking
Everyone in grappling is on steroids Look at their bodies Not just Ryan
@@kevinosborne4632 not Mikey Musumeci
High integrity this guy
"Everyone's on steroids, except the Dagestan champs"
-Nate Diaz
Islam Makachev was flagged down by USADA in 2018 for the same drug that tennis player was suspended for.
@@raymondayala5355 what's tennis?
@@johnpembroke9869 tennis is a sport
@@raymondayala5355 he was prescribed a drug after having a major cardiac surgery 😂 and his physician and himself admitted it even before testing you donut 😂
@@rc333 he was still flagged you pop tart 🤣. Doesn’t mean he didn’t get any of the benefits from it. That’s why that tennis player was suspended
"Never heard of him"
Hahaha. I love this guest.
Joe “Outed” Gordon…hilarious lol.
The ufc having the best fighters is the biggest myth in combat sports
Why do I have more respect for people that go natural even though some one on gear is better. This is not a dis on people on the juice but my natural instinct just naturally admires people that go balls out hard without gear. The idea of someone going to their limit and grinding hard with out gear always fascinated me more. This is not to disrespect on people juced up at all!
Same
“what sport is that?”
“jiu jitsu”
“oh”
😂
I don't agree with taking the roids just because you won't get caught, there is such a thing that's forgotten which is honour in knowing you haven't taken anything and still can get some where, I would never do it
Honour has no place in prize fighting dude, its fighting for money, that delusional thinking wont make you money.
Gordon is the Lance Armstrong of BJJ
Lmaoo. If everyone from birth did steroids there is a good chance all these pros would be the worse of the 7 billion. They pretended it was hard work and dieting for the last 50 years. Imagine every athlete in the past 50 years knew steroids was key in all the top people, all these “stars” might be average joes. But they stole the glory on a foundation of lies
Yup the 🐐
Eh, steroids are 100% legal in bjj.
Naa not if everyone else is
Accurate.
I just watched my first One FC fight night last night and I was very impressed! I've been watching the UFC for almost 20 years but after the espn deal I've not watched a fight in over a year.
Yeah that dbl pay wall is ridiculous. Plus every ppv is $75.99. Imagine paying for every one
Joe “Imma express everything over the top” Rogan!!
I think there's a really big point about the steroids in BJJ issue that gets overlooked. While it is technically true that there aren't explicit rules against it, and that they don't test, the overwhelming majority of PEDs and basically all, at least in the US, used in Grappling are Schedule III substances. So, unless the people taking them have a specific medical prescription for them, it would be illegal to do so. Therefore the rules don't really matter as taking them would be illegal and you wouldn't be allowed to do so even if the rules required it.
Which is stupid, and steroid laws are nonsense
Dude.. you can easily get and do illegal drugs and not get arrested/caught...
@@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y. what's your point? I'm saying they're illegal, not that people don't break the law. My point is when things have aspects that are illegal and they become popular, government agencies start regulating them. If there were the cocaine Olympics, there'd also be a fleet of police cars waiting outside to arrest everyone involved. The hypothetical cocaine Olympics not having rules against cocaine would be irrelevant.
@cthulhu-jitsu7404 hey, you win, man. I'll just say this; you've clearly never been around drugs or illegal activity. Anyone with any sense isn't bringing the whole damn drug store with them to get busted with.
@@I.D.I.O.C.R.A.C.Y. and I'll say that you're clearly not paying attention to what my point was. The point being made over and over again from the pro steroid side in BJJ is that the rules don't prohibit them, so it's okay. I'm only pointing out, as I stated in the original comment you responded to, that the rules DON'T MATTER in the case because the action being discussed is ILLEGAL and therefore would be prohibited by law. Even if you were being given a plate of steroids by Mo Jassim himself and told to take them, it would still be prohibited because the laws of the country take precedence over the rules of some sporting event. Do people break the law and not get caught? Sure. All the time. Just like people break the rules of a sporting event all the time without getting caught. That doesn't change the fact that those actions were prohibited and you still broke the rules/law.
You can't sit and wait for the opponent to pass your guard in ufc without getting a beating.
Anyone know what Gordan is likely to be taking?
Keep hearing these guys talk about recovering in days and I've been injured for years and can't get it to stay better so I'd consider taking something if I knew what and how
Half wicked
What kind of injury?
As professor Snape once said "obviously"
Its usualy about money, in polish organisation KSW fighters are getting much more than in UFC, (expect a top champions of course ) some of them just stay there for financial stability.
"Never heard of him" 😂
Gordan makes WAY more money in grappling.... than most UFC fighters
Plus he has the benefit of not getting brain damage from kicks or punches to the head.
Rogan being open my minded is why I still watch ( other than the guests and subjects). He says I think bodybuilding is still a sport, but understands there are different perspectives. I actually think that according to a strict definition it has to not be a sport, or everything is, but saying both sides is legit.
I don't really get the hate on the guy, unless you despise drugs or some of his takes on certain things he's a genuinely open minded dude willing to change his mind if evidence presents itself and he seems a good guy to be friends with also 🤷♂️
And there you have it folks
The Diaz brothers were pretty successful without taking steroids. Nick does or did triathlons and is a vegetarian.
He is on stuff too
@@thebawzrittenhouse1433 bullshit
Even with usada ufc have much of their fighter used PED no doubt..of course they have doctor on camp/team that time to duration of the PED and know when they up/down dosage etc..
Nobody that takes roids is the best
Lol the best according to what? your silly opinion? He's crushing competitions.
Not the biggest fan of Gordon Ryan's persona but I didn't know he openly admits to using ped's and I do give him a ton of credit for that.
Y’all give people credit for anything
He’s a garbage human being.
@@morijin9552 "I cheated"
*crowd errupts* Hes so BRAVE!
@@morijin9552 not anything, it’s the honesty he is crediting him for, you du** fu**
Tony hawk of jujitsu 😂
I don’t know why that makes me chuckle. Lol
Years from now I wonder how he will look after the damage to his body from steroids.
Joe Rogan is like that kid who talks about what his parents do in the bedroom to their parents, like…My bad!!!
No duh... You don't get tested in BJJ so they are all roid heads at top level.
And why not?
I’m from the United States a big fight fan I live in the Philippines ONE championship is just as big as ufc and in the smaller weight classes I think their champions beat a lot of the UFCs And they have world-class Muay Thai fights but in 4 ounce gloves
Seriously how much dip does that dude have in his lip?
Should just have a fighting league with no limits on PED's
Joe better watch he might get sued for slander.
Nah, Gordon would just tell him he had to drink his semen, and Joe would do it happily!!
Joe almost slipped when he said “other guys are on this stuff too like” I think he meant to say GalGo
I’d like to see an open non tested Olympic Games just to see how far past human potential science can push sport
U see that every 4 years
Maybe they don't like the ufc's completely controlling their career and when where and how they can fight or be sponsored
How can you be the goat if ur on the sauce? He’s clearly a great grappler without it and other worldly on it. If he’s not natty , he can’t be in the goat conversation. Marcelo is probably the goat.
Steroids don't improve your technique, dedication or strategy.
Literally everyone Gordon is going against is on gear.
@@vedu8519 first off, everyone is not on the gear. Secondly, Gordon is on par with the best in the world with his technique and strategy. The THING that puts him over the top is his size and strength which he WOULD NOT HAVE if not for 💉💉💉. So he’s out of the goat discussion. It’s Marcelo or Roger.
@@kennedic4403 Gordon hasn't really admitted it though. For it to really be Lance Armstrong type of an issue it would need to be 100% proven, and not just discussed. He won't be out of that discussion based on this at all. Not yet at least.
They dont test...
Anywhere in the sport...
Its not cheating...
Still a shitton of guys in the ufc are on gear, like izzy, usman, jones, ngannou, gane, basically everyone.
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, IF THEY LOOK JACKED, THEY MUST BE ON ROID. ESPECIALLY THE BLACK ONES"
Cope withey.
People act as if One championship ain't legit and don't have killers over there
Is anyone really surprised now when sporting great [X] is revealed to be a steroid or ex steroid user?
Still to this day, the unacknowledged elephant in the room is the fact that steroids are now, and have been for a long time, AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY AND A REQUIREMENT for sporting excellence in almost every sporting endeavour where the financial rewards for success are considerable.
Top athletes and sporting stars know that the best coaches are the coaches who best know the ins and outs of fooling drug tests by making sure their clients only use the right compounds and at the right times.
"Look at the fuckin build on that guy"
No doubt Gordon Ryan is the best in no gi. Going to the UFC as you mentioned where there is striking changes the dynamic. He isn’t claiming to be the best MMA guy or a strong striker. With the money he is making I don’t see a point in him going into the UFC or some other MMA combat sport. If he does well it doesn’t prove much because he is already the best at no gi. If he gets smoked, it can only affect him negatively. He is doing great where he is, Why change it
USADA like hey buddy, have a seat over there...
He is the best athlete on steroids. You can't prove you are better than a clean athlete if you can't do it without steroids.
@@rennyskiathitis8178 I understand what you’re saying but I thought level they almost all do it. Anyone competing at the highest level of Pan’s or ADCC is almost certainly doing TRT and or other enhancements. I’m not mentioning names but I know several personally and they have all admitted it.
Not everyone is on gear Gordon wouldn’t be in the position he is in without gear
gordon never openly admitted ped use. joe dropped the ball on this statement
BJJ is largely technique, stamina and strength. To say that steroids does not largely affect Ryan's game is so stupid to say.
No one said that.. but since 95% of the elite players in hw use it, it only levels the playing field. If no one took steroids Gordon would still be the no. 1 - no doubt.
@@fred_ed926 Except that we won’t know that because he took steroids.
True - but it's also crazy to assume that someone like Andre Galvao ain't also on the sauce. Guy is 40 years old and built like an absolute tank! At the highest level there's probably a huge list of them who are using stuff.
@@fred_ed926 yes people day it all the time.
@@sotiriosnovatsis4529we do know that... just look at the people hes competing against... he isnt even close to the most juiced or biggest guy...
All professional levels of competition should open up a prototype class or division where ped use is totally legal, just so we can put yalls trash argument to bed.
Keenan Cornelius is my favorite pro Jiujitsu player
I have never heard that Gordon Ryan admits to taking steroids? In which interview is that?
If he dosent admit you think he is natty 🤣
Talk about bias to who you work for
Problem is not everyone reacts the same to steroids (also depends on how good your pharmacist is). Just because Gordon is the best on gear doesn't mean he would be the best off gear. So there's always a little asterix when you call him the GOAT
People respond differently, because some have more androgen receptors in the brain. The more receptors the more you respond to anabolic steroids. It has nothing to do with the quality of gear.
True. The even playingfield argument is not valid. Also, if you use EPO the amound of natural hematocrit levels play a factor in how you respond and effect the Vo2Max
Nah because he's outplaying people in the fight IQ department, his understanding is blowing people's minds. That bit is completely unaffected by steroids, and if you think he's winning because of a strength advantage you haven't seen Andre Galvao xD GR is still unquestionably the goat regardless
@Eren Jaegerbomb I agree in Gordan Ryans case. He is superior, no doubt. But the even playing field argument is not valid in other sports.
They're all on gear and he's the best out of all of them, so there you go
GSP never needed steroids. Fedor never needed steroids. That's why they are the best of all time. Gordon Ryan should have a big ol Asterix next to his name. Not all athletes cheat because they can. Some fighters have principles.
That why it’s glockjitsu from here on out baby 😂
Gordon Ryan, BJJ GOAT? The disrespect to Roger Gracie is wild.
The fact that he is the GOAT in bjj at the age of 27 says more about the sport and the level of competitiveness than about himself. Even his professional career lasts five years, imagine that at the age of 27 a character is declared the best boxer of all time, what kind of competition is there both now and throughout history, not to mention the number of people who trained amateur and then professionally, and how difficult the sport is. If you don't have the talent, speed, coordination of movements, technique, sense of rhythm, movement, strength and endurance to take a punches, you have no chance at boxing, not to mention the work and time spent to master boxing. The best professional boxers start training at the age of 7-8, and these started in their twenties or late teens. Its different level of competition!
Gordon also says ufc fighters are on peds and other elite athletes, and he's 100 % correct .
Breaking: water admits to being wet.
I admire Gordon Ryan's skill, but the cloud of steroid use is just a stain on everything he's done to elevate BJJ.
No it isn’t
No it isn't.
It would be if literally everyone else in the sport wasn't also juicing
@Lawrence I don't know what percentage of the sport is juicing or not, but everyone isn't. There are some despite being at competitive disadvantage that choose to do it clean. It's just convenient to say everyone does it cause there isn't any regulation that can say otherwise. Still respect the guy skills.
It's literally not banned in BJJ
Being on steroids is the standard now. I mean it always was.. but now it's just out in the open.
I always think that barstool guy is the Facebook dude.
Anyone know where Gordon has explicitly admitted to taking steroids? I know it's logical to assume so, but I was just wondering if he has explicitly admitted to taking a specific substance.
He said in a vlog "our team is the only team that doesn't use PED's.... for the most part"
He never denies it and never goes against people saying he does
@@DanielCollins419 I've seen that clip, but it's not an explicit admission (implicit at best). I assumed there was a clip where he goes over the substances he takes, etc.
@Urban Samurai True, but it'd still not an explicit admission. I am looking for an explicit version, if it exists at all.
@@anonymousreviewer169 I don't think it's ever been states explicitly, but it's about as close to it as possible. Lately in a lot of his IG posts and replies, he essentially admits it without doing so. Someone asked the other day, "How good would you be without gear?"
He said,"I'd still be 20 years ahead of everyone else in the sport."
He never said, "I take gear." But that's about as close as humanly possible to admitting it without actually admitting it.
Is that Dave Zuckerberg?
Portnoy is the ultimate filthy casual
Christmas , brithday , fuck you show up . -joe Rogan
There should be a SEPERATE category for natty and then others forwhatever u deem nessersarry.
It's time to stop trying to hide these things and claim otherwise.
Who knows it might lead to medical breakthroughs as itll be legal and not some back store vibe anymore
Yeah if you know you're getting locked in a cage with a guy that takes steroids you'd have to be pretty brave to do it clean. And that's amongst a bunch of guys that are pretty damn brave already.
"Everybodys on steroids"
Could his steroid use be because the meds he takes for his stomach, intestine issue.
Anabolic steroids are not used to treat stomach issues.
Lol that’s what cause it prolly
Acho que o mica e o meregali podem supera-lo. O mica tem 19 anos apenas. E goat pra mim foi o roger gracie . Gordon ryan é um fenomeno, mas ele tem uma caminhada ainda pra consolidar seu sucesso. O proprio preguiça é um que ele tem que ter o tira teima . Temos muitos talentos ai no jiu jitsu. Mas como brasileiro admito que é dificil ver um gringo sendo chamado de goat, afinal é bjj. Rs
É como se michael jordan , tom brady fossem brasileiros.
Time for Devon Larratt to go on Rogan pod.....
Gordan Ryan is on gear??? What???? You're gonna tell me the suns hot next?
I promise you that you can eat more pizza 🍕 if you take steroids
Well, duh, I knew that the first time I saw one of his pictures. No one gets that jacked and does jujitsu for a living, ( a high calorie burning activity,) without taking PEDs. So, IMO, he's really not the best, since I'm sure at least some of his opponents have not been using. Tired of PEDs.
Every top athlete in every single physical sport is on something. You’re naive if you think they aren’t.
All I knew Dave for was rating pizza before this pod.
So it’s ok to cheat to win because everyone is cheating and you can’t win if you don’t cheat. This is why professional sports are suffering, lacking values. If the game isn’t completely fair then the whole competition is shit. Imagine if there was a title fight where you knew one guy was on shit and the other guy wasn’t because they both disclosed it openly - the competition wouldn’t matter.
That's why I can't get behind the new era. But if you want to get technical a lot of people said this would eventually happen to sports in general it's all a freak show
He deff uses roids if he admits or not.
Can’t be Brock lesnar unless he’s on steroids
Not many bbj competitiors make a bag like Ryan. So they ain't able to afford a big steroid cycle like Ryan obviously does. So he has a major headstart there. If someone in bjj on roids Vs someone clean they have a major advantage. I'd say steroids in bjj would be way more beneficial than in MMA due to pure grappling if your a gifted at bjj and take steroids and stay as dedicated as Ryan then it's impossible to be defeated
Not impossible you doughnut
You don’t need a big steroid cycle to make a difference.
@CMLAFLAMME No, they are much cheaper than shit you buy from GNC or vitamin shop.
Steroids aren't expensive....at all. Much cheaper than supplements like protein powder.
@CMLAFLAMME yep test is super cheap, probably cheaper than a good gym membership. There are expensive PEDs like hgh or EPO but the main shit is just normal test/anabolic sand it’s basically free
Athletes should just be allowed to do roids. Wtf not?
Gordon is on roids. He may not admit it but it’s obvious he is on it
He doesn’t need to admit it, it’s very obvious,
Ryan 'The Liver King' Gordon.
I had no idea grappling was an openly dirty sport. I mean you can see Gordon is jacked but I think the sport loses massive credibility. No way the sport will take off mainstream while it has that approach. And striker or no striker no wonder the guy doesn’t want to go to ufc. Probably lose 20lb in muscle in no time off his cycle.
It's completely the opposite. Drug free sports are a scam since it punishes the people who actually are natural. Grappling is much more fun to watch this way as well.
Felipe Pena the only guy to ever sub Gordon is banned from ibjjf for like the 2nd time for using, he isn’t even big
"Everybody is on steroids."
Why get your head punched in when you can make good money grappling?
Passion body.the adrenaline rush.the challenge.thats the reason BJJ guys cross over to MMA.its for the thrill of overcoming danger.thats the substance of life hey.not just money.
Damn...makes me think less of him. If you're strength is from a chemical, it's not real.
Yeah if I were Gordon I would stay in bjj. Screw getting brain damage. Especially if he is already the face of no gi.
Not sure Roger Gracie would agree he’s the GOAT
Rickson*
@@iRepUrMax Yes we all know about Rickson, but he didn’t enter any competitions like ADCC etc so impossible.
Connors enters the chat
He says it’s not just the PEDs, but how the fuck would we know if he isn’t competing while not on them???
I don't care about him taking steroids so much I care about the fact BJJ guys take their legacy seriously when you need to be juicy to be the pride and joy of the style.
You don't need to be "juicy" to do Jiu-jitsu and do very well. What he does is sport grappling at the highest level. Big difference.
Funny that the guest didn't know who Gordon Ryan was.
I'd venture to say that less than 2% of Americans know who Gordon Ryan is.
You think a lot of people even know what bjj is?