One VEGAN HAM to rule them all: trying out the famous "Pig Saver" Recipe

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  • čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
  • For the recipe, click here: boldflavorvegan.com/2024/01/2...
    This vegan seitan ham is absolute insanity and it is incredibly versatile: Eat on its own as a roast during the holidays, make vegan ham and cheese sandos, put it in stews and salads, with pineapples on pizza if that is your thing.
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    This is my riff on the Kim's Pig Saver Ham Recipe over at @krazyasianmeatsvegetation1816 . Check out the original recipe here: • ‘Pig-saver’ Vegan ham,...
    Chapters:
    Intro 0:00-0:21
    Create initial dough 00:21-1:03
    Wash the flour: 1:04-2:26
    How to make smoke infused salt: 2:28-2:47
    Make the seasoning mix: 2:48-3:10
    Season the dough: 3:11-4:05
    Knot the dough and add to cheesecloth: 4:06-4:32
    Make a brine: 4:33-4:49
    Cook in brine: 4:50-5:10
    Glaze the ham: 5:11-5:45
    How to use: 5:46-
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  • @BoldFlavorVegan
    @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +54

    This recipe still makes the best vegan ham ever, but it does take effort and time. If you'd like to try my quicker and easier version, you can check it out here: czcams.com/video/Ou3qXKBJEtg/video.html

    • @indexasica
      @indexasica Před rokem +3

      Can you just add gluten flour to avoid rinsing? Would the final product be the same?

    • @grgamer8470
      @grgamer8470 Před rokem

      So the specific red dye is not from the insects?

    • @rich11a15
      @rich11a15 Před rokem

      Why is it that vegans who are so averse to eating meat want their food to look and taste like meat? How can anyone who is gluten intolerant, celiac or soya intolerant be a vegan? It really makes no sense.

    • @MrRatkilr
      @MrRatkilr Před 11 měsíci +2

      When I make it for myself. I don't even use red dye . I know it's made from flour. But it tastes good. I use less salt. This is my favorite fake meat.time consuming yes. But my favorite. I usually just make vegan Italian dogs. But if I have the time. I make this. I only use red dye if someone else is going to eat it. Texture is pretty close to real thing.

    • @daes5465
      @daes5465 Před 10 měsíci

      Better use ready Made Gluten
      So buy IT
      You are using a huge amount of water and ITS Not good for the Planet
      Saitan or Gluten is mechanicaly seperated Theres No water used for Gluten Powder

  • @scrane5500
    @scrane5500 Před rokem +25

    As this takes a fair bit of water so I googled and found out it takes over 700 gallons of water to turn a pig into 1 pound of ham and that's just the water used not the water polluted from waste runoff or held in lagoons. So this isn't just a Pig saver, it's a Water saver too! Thanks so much for posting

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +4

      This is great perspective, I hadn't thought of it that way!

    • @jollyjokress3852
      @jollyjokress3852 Před 8 měsíci +1

      if you buy the ready seitan i believe it is even less of a waste. i think they do more at a time and use different processes that require less water? also, the starches are usually used sold too.

    • @user-mg7xl3li4n
      @user-mg7xl3li4n Před 2 měsíci +1

      how much water was used to grow the grain for the flour?

  • @shazmahtaz
    @shazmahtaz Před rokem +42

    Pro tip: save (freeze) your brine and use it again woth other meats. The flavor develops each time you use it. Giving you a deep umami!

  • @LAMoraes
    @LAMoraes Před rokem +85

    Next time, also use rosemary extract and white pepper. They are key in the flavour profile of a real ham

  • @wbillle1821
    @wbillle1821 Před 2 lety +10

    I’m not a food scientist, but I am a chemistry major. In chemistry, polarity can determine what is miscible (or able to mix) with another thing. In terms of polarity, molecules and substances are either polar, meaning they have a dispersed charge where two sides are oppositely charged whether it be slightly or immensely, or non-polar, where it’s charge is dispersed pretty evenly throughout the molecule. The general rule is “like dissolves like”. This means polar substances mix with polar substances and non-polar substances mix with non-polar substances; this has to do with the different types of bonds in polar and non-polar molecules which have to be broken apart to allow mixing. Relating this to the “ham”, the two substances being separated are the gluten, which is a protein, and the starch; protein is non-polar while the starch is polar. The red food dye is non-polar, so this is why it mixes in with the gluten and remains with the protein and not the starch when you separate and wash it out. Hope this was somewhat interesting to read!!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety

      Very cool! Thanks for taking the time to explain! This could definitely help with further seitan experiments down the road!

    • @SaraGem
      @SaraGem Před měsícem

      to be a Registered Dietitian

  • @zeta1593
    @zeta1593 Před 2 lety +46

    For the dye, I'm not a food scientist (I'm a MD) but my guess would be because of charges. Gluten is a protein, a dye is basically a small charged polarised molecule. So it will fix in gluten and not on fiber which won't be of same charge.
    It is the same process we use in medicine where you use a dye to color only bacteria in a color, and then wash and only bacteria can't get washed.

    • @carlpilkington
      @carlpilkington Před rokem +5

      Chemistry BSc here 😅
      My guess is also either the polar charges of gluten, or maybe it has something to do with the stringy structure of gluten, kinda like how textile fabric dyes work?

    • @zeta1593
      @zeta1593 Před rokem +3

      @@carlpilkington Oh interesting I didn't know that the fabric dyes where structural!

    • @carlpilkington
      @carlpilkington Před rokem +1

      @@zeta1593 that was roughly what I remember from my lecturer in textile chemistry. I mean when you put whites and colored clothes together into the washing machine and crank up the temp, it loosens the fabric structure allowing dye to soak into your whitey thighteys 😅. There are like newer technologies though that work with the polar charges, they are like dust, so it is a dry dyeing. They also coat metal surfaces with it so the metal does not flake off the dye during a physical force.

    • @jollyjokress3852
      @jollyjokress3852 Před 8 měsíci

      i wonder if they guy read this!

  • @beccafreeman4694
    @beccafreeman4694 Před 2 lety +8

    I have a bad habit of testing new things out for the holidays. I have never done the wtf method before and I found it kind of relaxing and fun. The different textures that you feel with each rinse was cool. I did have to rinse a few more times than you did but it looks great so far. If the eating texture is good then I might just stick with this method every time. Thanks so much for all the info you give in this video.

  • @TomJudson
    @TomJudson Před rokem +61

    Damn! I just took this ham out of the over--it simply is the exact texture that I remember ham to be. Incredible. I didn't do too good a job of mixing the colors--mine has layers of colors, but I'll overlook that and try harder next time. Yes, it was a lot of work, but I have to say it was completely worth it. It's pretty incredible! And there's a lot of it, so I plan to freeze half of it.

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +11

      Nice work! So happy to hear you love it. Freezing it and forgetting about it is fun, like a little treat you leave for yourself in the future.

    • @extraincomesuz
      @extraincomesuz Před 8 měsíci +1

      Does anyone know the calorie count per serving of this "ham"? I'm Muslim (converted) and eat mostly vegetarian so it would be nice to have a halal ham sandwich occasionally. 😊 I just wonder about the calorie count for curiosity and since I'm on a weight loss quest. Thanks for the great video!

  • @myveganprovence
    @myveganprovence Před rokem +2

    Wow! What a technician you are! Brilliant idea to mix 2 colors seitan and intertwine them like this. I will definitely try it!

  • @cashewmeifyoucan
    @cashewmeifyoucan Před rokem +1

    What an amazing recipe! Such a work but worth it! ❤🎉

  • @yessicainfante831
    @yessicainfante831 Před 2 lety +4

    I’ve been holding off on doing this, but I’m now convinced I have to do it this week! Thank you!!!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety

      Oh awesome! Can't wait to hear how it goes for you. Especially if you make any adjustments!

  • @LichtAnker.
    @LichtAnker. Před rokem +52

    You can also buy pure gluten as a powder, and it's a lot easier to process or mix with other ingredients. I have been ketogenic vegan for many years and make sausages or nuggets out of gluten almost every day. This goes in 5 minutes and then onto the pan. I washed gluten out of flour over 20 years ago. As I said, it's easier now. 🙂

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +4

      How do you make those nuggets? Do you mix wet/dry and then just fry them up? Curious about your cooking technique on that.
      I have a version of this where I use Vital Wheat Gluten here if you're interested: czcams.com/video/Ou3qXKBJEtg/video.html

    • @LichtAnker.
      @LichtAnker. Před rokem +14

      @@BoldFlavorVegan
      Thanks very much. Right, I mix the gluten powder with any dry ingredients like spices or other protein powder for a different consistency and then with water. Then I shape nuggets, steaks or sausages out of it and fry it in oil on a pan.
      It's super easy and only takes 5 minutes to mix and 5 minutes to sear. 🙂

    • @RegentDeMarquis005
      @RegentDeMarquis005 Před rokem +1

      But gluten is allergenic

    • @LichtAnker.
      @LichtAnker. Před rokem +16

      @@RegentDeMarquis005
      Not for everyone. Gluten is in every standard type of bread, pizza, cake, donut, pasta etc.
      Anyone who is allergic to it should of course avoid it. 🙂
      What is shown here in the video is also gluten, which is washed out of a dough.

    • @Mister_Listener
      @Mister_Listener Před 11 měsíci

      Seems like an ez way to cut the prep time. I am curious, where do you buy your gluten powder? Your sausages sound delicious! Hugs.

  • @Strawberry_Pancake_
    @Strawberry_Pancake_ Před 2 lety +3

    This is so insanely creative! I’m impressed. I bet it is delicious.

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +1

      I say this with no hyperbole, it is as good as it looks!

  • @jinny01
    @jinny01 Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you so much for sharing this recipe! I am so excited to try this ham for our Christmas party! Subscribed & Liked!👍💚

  • @alyssacope5901
    @alyssacope5901 Před 2 lety

    This looks AMAZING! Thankyou xx

  • @vickypedias
    @vickypedias Před rokem

    What an amazing recipe, thanks so much! For sure will be making this for Christmas this year :) This is a criminally undersubbed channel!!

  • @ponteacampata
    @ponteacampata Před 2 lety +79

    To anyone wondering, beetroot extract will not work for colouring the seitan ...

    • @indexasica
      @indexasica Před rokem +28

      I don't know about extract, but the beet juice colored my seitan rather nicely.

    • @keena76
      @keena76 Před rokem +1

      Thank you because I was going to use it.

    • @brianmansfield2809
      @brianmansfield2809 Před rokem +7

      Wish I read the comments before making it! :D I was out of red dye so used beet root powder. Ended up with a VERY tasty and VERY grey sham. :D

    • @MrRatkilr
      @MrRatkilr Před rokem +1

      I found out the same last night. Lol still tastes good

    • @jasonandersen5975
      @jasonandersen5975 Před rokem +12

      It works fine IF you add some ascorbic acid (vitamin C) or citric acid, the color will stay red.

  • @KariEatsPlants
    @KariEatsPlants Před 2 lety +4

    I have read this recipe many times. So nice to have a video for reference.

    • @leviathia10
      @leviathia10 Před 2 lety +1

      Have you not seen the original creator's video?

  • @jorgecosta3065
    @jorgecosta3065 Před rokem +19

    Man, I've tried your version of the "pig saver" recipe and it was a bomb!
    I don't know if I was afraid of trying, because I had tried another recipe that I clearly didn't nail, but yours works amazing!
    It has an amazing look, incredible texture and a very good flavour.
    On my case, I didn't use the total of the scrubb, because I thought it was too much, but it was the only thing I regret not doing to give it more flavour.
    Other than that, this recipe is a smasher my friend and I have pictures of it to prove at least the looks of it!
    Keep on the good work!
    PS: The recipe gives a lot of ham for those wondering and it works well as fried bacon and also is good to use at pastas with some sauce.

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +4

      So so so glad you tried and love it! I'll keep it up!

    • @moncyliu99
      @moncyliu99 Před rokem +2

      How do you do it? Nine was a complete disaster. I don't know if I didn't kneed the dough well enough before letting it rest in water but it completely dissolved when I started washing it. I lost almost all of the 2 bags. The very little I could save felt like rubber😞😭

    • @jorgecosta3065
      @jorgecosta3065 Před rokem +1

      Have you ever done seitan before?

    • @moncyliu99
      @moncyliu99 Před rokem +2

      @@jorgecosta3065 I did it with the WTF method once long, long time ago and it was fine. I don't remember having the mess I had trying this recipe. Most of the times I use vital wheat gluten mixed with chickpeas or other beans, or just liquid. I searched for other videos of how to make seitan using the WTF method and I noticed that they do knead the initial dough for quite a bit longer than this one. One video suggested to knead the dough for about 20 min. I would have to try it and see if that was the issue.

    • @jorgecosta3065
      @jorgecosta3065 Před rokem +1

      Here you have a link of the seitan recipe I usually do: czcams.com/users/shortsz9lRrhyEUP4?feature=share
      It is a short, so it's easy to follow.
      It turns out perfect everytime!
      I use a ratio of 1kg of flour to 625ml of water because the flour I buy comes in 1kg.
      Sorry for the late reply by the way.
      Hope this helps! 😊

  • @jorats
    @jorats Před 2 lety

    I made this today, wow. Amazing! Thank you!

  • @sjsd7779
    @sjsd7779 Před 2 lety

    Absolutely amazed!!!

  • @BeachGirl34236
    @BeachGirl34236 Před 2 lety

    Damn!!! my mouth was watering at the end 😋

  • @TheeBurgerDude
    @TheeBurgerDude Před 2 lety +6

    Wow, this is pretty dang amazing dude!

  • @Sveltegirl2
    @Sveltegirl2 Před rokem

    Thank you! Very informative..

  • @gamyrworf6228
    @gamyrworf6228 Před rokem +29

    This was a LOT of work, but at the same time I know it will be faster the next time. And there will definitely be a next time very soon because this is an UH-MAZING ham. I have to say I think it tastes the most like real ham when used cold on sandwiches, however heated up and topped with maple syrup alongside some tofu scramble and some hasbrowns, also CANNOT be beat! thanks so much for your amazing videos!

    • @MrRatkilr
      @MrRatkilr Před rokem +5

      I been vegan for a year. This better be good. I got a couple hours so far just prepping it. Lol. If it don't taste good. Will still eat it. Unless it's really bad. But it smells good so far.

    • @distortedsteeve2980
      @distortedsteeve2980 Před rokem +2

      @@MrRatkilr how was it?

    • @tequilitita
      @tequilitita Před rokem

      @@MrRatkilr sooo what happened??? :)

    • @StefGoedhart
      @StefGoedhart Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@MrRatkilrso… you are now to busy making hams for the country I assume? 😄 going to try it soon… maybe I reply 😂

  • @lnixon236
    @lnixon236 Před 10 měsíci +1

    That looks absolutely delicious!

  • @creationsozone
    @creationsozone Před rokem

    Thank you so much , I will try tonight !

  • @rainydaze9318
    @rainydaze9318 Před 2 lety

    This looks wonderful!

  • @ezzyspeaks..427
    @ezzyspeaks..427 Před 2 lety

    So happy someone pointed you out🥰

  • @StanleyPain
    @StanleyPain Před rokem

    This looks so good. Gonna have to try it :)

  • @cathrynwilliams7581
    @cathrynwilliams7581 Před 2 lety +3

    Your link goes to Kim's original recipe that requires a hot smoker - his version 2 is the one that you are reviewing.
    Kim Weston really is the wizard of Vegan Ham - his pig saver is a real game changer!
    Love your video's title BTW - spot on!

  • @miketype1each
    @miketype1each Před 2 lety

    I was wondering if a seitan ham recipe was a thing, and then I found this. Wow! Imma have to try it.

  • @agitpropartrox
    @agitpropartrox Před 11 měsíci +6

    I'm betting that seasoning mix is very similar to the little seasoning packet you get in a bag of the ham beens brand beans. 🤔 for anyone unfamiliar, the seasoning packet is accidentally vegan and it gives the beans like that authentic "ham" flavor that makes them taste 1000% better. I just made a batch of the mix and I'm going to try it out this weekend 😊

  • @Smashboy44
    @Smashboy44 Před rokem

    Absolutely insane, nice job

  • @msjkramey
    @msjkramey Před rokem +1

    That looks so real!

  • @vickil.1388
    @vickil.1388 Před 19 dny

    I am amazed!😮

  • @brianmansfield2809
    @brianmansfield2809 Před rokem +9

    Just tried this for the holidays, and it tasted GREAT! I had a couple changes:
    -I did a half recipe, with each dough ball using 6 cups flour (about 2.5 lbs), 2 1/2 cups water
    -I used a stand mixer for the dough ball (I've done WTF before, and don't hand-mix the initial ball).
    -I had run out of red dye so tried beet root powder. The dough balls were nice and pink...until being washed. The finished product came out grey. Tasty, tasty, grey.
    -I hand-rubbed the spice mix like in this video; in the past, I've used a food processor when it comes to mixing in the spices, and I think that's what I'll try next time: take 1/2 of each dough ball in the processor at a time with half the spice mix, probably for about 2 minutes (it's what I do for my bratwursts). It helps build up the gluten strands like the pulling and yanking of the hand process, but I can sit and sip some whiskey while it's happening! ;) Then just recombine the 2 halves before iPotting them.

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +2

      Glad it turned out! Holidays can be a stressful time to try new stuff!!!!
      Cool to know you can use a stand mixer - I’ve never done that. I’ve found since making this video that I can let it rest after minimal kneading, just enough to hydrate the flour. After about 1.5-2 hours the starch washes RIGHT out quickly.
      Also good to hear someone tried beets for coloring. Many have said it but you’re the first I’ve heard of actually trying it and it came out as I thought it would (I thought it’d actually be more brown). Glad it was still tasty!

  • @BlueFox61
    @BlueFox61 Před rokem +2

    Pretty great! Just tried this last night. I am an omni, but I like to cook veg+ for my other friends that are and I can attest that this is shockingly close for wheat gluten.

  • @bluefernlove
    @bluefernlove Před 2 lety

    This looks amazing!¡

  • @ponteacampata
    @ponteacampata Před 2 lety +10

    Just finished the one i did. It was ridiculously good. No idea if i did a good job mimicking ham but man it tasted great

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +1

      I always love to hear this! Thanks so much Julian. If you made any changes that worked for you, would be great to hear. These recipes are always a work in progress :)

  • @cookiebeard2814
    @cookiebeard2814 Před 2 lety +1

    This looks really good, can't wait to try it! I don't have a slow cooker but I do have a dutch oven; do you have any tips on how to use that in place of a slow cooker? Do I stick it in the oven or on the stove? TYIA

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +1

      A dutch oven should absolutely work, but I haven't tried it myself. From my research it looks like you'd need follow the instructions for the brine and put it in oven at 325 F for four hours. If the internal temp is above 170 F after that time, you should be good to go! I would watch out for water evaporation, as that doesn't happen much in the Instant Pot. Again, this is all a guess/researched and I have never slow cooked with a dutch oven myself. If you try, let us know how it goes so others can benefit!

  • @sheeneecotton
    @sheeneecotton Před 2 lety +7

    Very impressive!! The most realistic vegan ham I've ever seen. Great job! 👏🏾

  • @DakotaWeatherhead
    @DakotaWeatherhead Před 4 měsíci +1

    I got mine going right now. The amount of work for this is insane. Washing two seitan balls is so much work. Especially for my first time. But it smells a lot like the turkey thee burger dude made.
    I'm excited.

  • @a.k.salazr
    @a.k.salazr Před 2 lety +9

    I recently discovered the Orrington Farms vegan Ham bouillon. This stuff is great and it would go great with this recipe. I highly suggest you try it. I will definitely give this a try- thanks!!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +2

      I have some in my pantry! I bet that would be an awesome shortcut for the seasonings in this recipe for sure.

    • @ridgleyhawthorne715
      @ridgleyhawthorne715 Před 2 lety +1

      @@BoldFlavorVegan there is also Shanggie's (Vegan) Pork Flavoring mix* for developing for example, a vegan tenderloin, something I am working on developing at this time.
      * Shanggie's has both vegan and meat based flavorings so be sure to check labels before buying!

    • @karenwatt3103
      @karenwatt3103 Před 2 lety +1

      Would you add the bouillon to the flour mixture or make a broth out of it to boil the ham in it.

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +3

      @@karenwatt3103 I would personally just follow my seasoning guide and then make the stock from the boullion. Also, try not to boil the seitan, you'll want a nice gentle simmer. Boiling will ruin the product.

  • @nicolaybastos
    @nicolaybastos Před rokem +2

    I'm like a 'health food vegan', but the algorithm wanted me to see this and I'm glad it did. That was savage! I am now inspired, hungry, and a little scared. Thanks!

    • @joeb4142
      @joeb4142 Před rokem

      No need to fear! Just follow directions carefully, be precise with your measurements and be patient! I got tired during the washing process so I took several breaks to give my forearms a rest. Many breaks, actually. Oh and it’s a good idea to concentrate on getting rid of the little starch balls starting from the first wash.

  • @TastyThriftyTimely
    @TastyThriftyTimely Před 2 lety

    ... WOW! That. Looks. Like. HAM 😍 Awesome job once again!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks so much! I legit jumped up and down with excitement when I cut into this for the first time.

    • @TastyThriftyTimely
      @TastyThriftyTimely Před 2 lety

      @@BoldFlavorVegan hahaha! Well I said “wow” out loud and called Bryan over to look! Amazing 🙌

  • @rinanoc9388
    @rinanoc9388 Před rokem

    Holy freakin moses 😱🤩 i HAVE to try this thank you for sharing🙏🏼

  • @jcburnett5091
    @jcburnett5091 Před rokem +1

    Made this ham it was awesome. Thanks!

  • @deidre19801
    @deidre19801 Před 2 lety

    This is NEXT LEVEL!

  • @mariachiong1386
    @mariachiong1386 Před 2 lety +1

    Fenomenal pero jamás podría hacerlo es mucho trabajo pero si usted lo vendiera encantada le compraría buen trabajo muy ingenioso y delicioso 😋 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

  • @taracannonllc
    @taracannonllc Před rokem

    Amazing!!

  • @estherormenoclaudet3376

    Yo hago seitán a base de harina por lo general 4 a 6 kilos, ahora me has abierto la mente para hacer esto. Muchas gracias, lo intentaré hacer.

  • @magnuswootton6181
    @magnuswootton6181 Před 7 měsíci

    that is so amazing, GOOD JOB!!!

  • @timoijas7496
    @timoijas7496 Před 4 měsíci +1

    If you can find kala namak (black salt), I recommend adding it just a little bit in the seasoning. It should not taste like egg, it should bring out a meat like flavor in the ham. Great video!

  • @lottastaark9719
    @lottastaark9719 Před 4 měsíci

    Can I incorporate the spices in a foodblender for this recepie? And would it be possible to smoke the seitan in a smoker? Love your recepies so much. Thanks for all the inspiration

  • @spicyjatropha2552
    @spicyjatropha2552 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks so much for this video! I think I'll try it again using some of your techniques. So cool how you made your own smoked salt!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety

      Thanks! Glad the video gave you some ideas to try. I was surprised at how easy the smoked salt was to make, actually.

  • @KyriusVeritis
    @KyriusVeritis Před rokem

    Hello, I am fairly new to your channel, but had to subscribe the instant I've seen my first video of yours, you are great and so so SO underrated (why don't you have milions subscribers already? Seriously!) and I'm looking forward to cook with your instructions. The only thing holding me back is that I lack some of the needed equipment and ingredients.
    I have to ask - Do you think I could cook the ham in a regular pot or maybe a pressure cooker instead of instant pot (I don't posses one)? Thanks in advance and I'm looking forward to your next video, you are seriously one talented vegan butcher! 🌿🌾🌱

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +1

      Thanks so much! These are the kind of comments that keep me going and I really appreciate you taking the time to write. Do you have a dutch oven or like a baking pan with high walls?
      Also, new video is dropping Tuesday morning :)

    • @KyriusVeritis
      @KyriusVeritis Před rokem

      @@BoldFlavorVegan English isn't my first language and so I sometimes struggle with terminology and equivalents of certain items in my language. If I researched well what a 'dutch oven' is then I do have a pot like that. In that case I won't make you repeat to me what to do with the ham, because I've seen you already kindly gave instructions on how to operate the ham with the dutch oven to other commenter and I will follow those. 😆 I was just wondering whether you ever experimented with a pressure cooker or regular pot.
      Thank you for your answer, I appreciate it and if I couldn't stop thinking about the pressure cooker and I'd decide to try it out myself, I will let you know how that turned out! 🙃 Looking forward the new video. I'll definitely be there to help the algorithm and see what new kitchen adventure you were up to! 🌿

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +1

      Great that you saw that other comment about the dutch oven - I was going to refer to that! In this video I used the pressure cooker function on the Instant Pot to cook the ham, so if you have a regular/normal pressure cooker, you should be able to use that for sure. You might just need to research what pressure/temperature is the same as the Instant Pot and then use that with the length of time I used. Let me know how it goes if you try this out.
      Also - I finished the new video early so putting it out tomorrow! Thanks for watching! Appreciate you so much.

    • @KyriusVeritis
      @KyriusVeritis Před rokem

      @@BoldFlavorVegan Mike, I love the research and experimenting you do to master your recipes to perfection! I like methodical approach as much as you do and so I'll do my research before using pressure cooker. Thank you for your kindness and hard work! I also follow you on Instagram now and you did a wonderful job with the new video I had to watch it two times, it's fun watching you know your craft so well. 🌿🌱🌾 Have a great week!

  • @MrRatkilr
    @MrRatkilr Před rokem +3

    I'm making this tonight. Tried using red beet powder to dye it. If you use that wait an hour before adding it. After washing the gluten. It don't like having beet root powder added right away.

    • @duncanidaho5834
      @duncanidaho5834 Před 9 měsíci

      If you are having to dye your food then something is seriously WRONG with what you are eating.

  • @Big_Tigress
    @Big_Tigress Před rokem

    Hey! Not a food scientist but i have been studying food and culinary. Red dye doesn't stick to the starch since starch is basically a polysaccharide (aka: complicated sugar substance), when starch is not heated up it doesn't fall apart into less complicated substances, heating up allows water to be absorbed inside now less complicated sugar. (For people who may ask why is it possible to color oobleck, it's because of the water the color is mixed to.)

  • @margscarpone
    @margscarpone Před rokem +1

    This looks insane!!! One day I’ll find the energy to actually attempt making it

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem

      Awesome. Let me know if you have any questions! :)

    • @ivanvidojevic2461
      @ivanvidojevic2461 Před rokem

      You wont have energy as vegan

    • @joeb4142
      @joeb4142 Před 8 měsíci

      Try doing it over a couple of days. Heck, three days.

  • @binkuspinkus8400
    @binkuspinkus8400 Před 2 lety +9

    that looks INSANE! not sure i have bowls big enough 😅 maybe a half recipe!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +4

      Big mixing bowls are a must for this for sure! I had to use my medium one while dough was resting in my biggest bowl and and it was _just_ big enough to make it work.

    • @amil89
      @amil89 Před 2 lety +2

      You might be able to use a large pot if you have one

    • @joeb4142
      @joeb4142 Před rokem

      Yes I bought a 13 qt stock pot for this and that worked great. My 5 qt mixing bowl worked, barely, but I recommend using 8-10 qt.

    • @brianmansfield2809
      @brianmansfield2809 Před rokem +1

      All my previous WTF batches have used about 2.5 lbs flour, so that's what I did with this: 2 balls made from 6 cups flour, 2 1/2 cups water, then just cut the spice mix in half. It still fit in my iPot, and it turned out GREAT!

    • @larrymcc
      @larrymcc Před rokem

      I don't have bowls that large, but I'm shopping for some. I'm guessing that the ones in the video are about 20 qt?

  • @secular13
    @secular13 Před rokem

    U made my day

  • @Horus_elanra
    @Horus_elanra Před měsícem

    Wow this looks incredible ❤❤❤ Thank you so much. I’m from Russia hope I can translate correct and prepare it one day. It’s looks absolutely real 🙀🫶😇

  • @Mister_Listener
    @Mister_Listener Před 11 měsíci +1

    Is there a video for making vegan cheese out of the milky starch water? I don’t want to waste anything. Lol. I have watched this video 3 times to prepare myself and learn. Now I am heading to the grocery store and this will become my Sunday afternoon project. (I love the slo-mo voice on OOZING. )😊

  • @oferbechor1579
    @oferbechor1579 Před rokem

    THANK YOU

  • @easycooking7626
    @easycooking7626 Před 2 lety +2

    Very delicious and unique recipe💯👌👌👌💖💖💖

  • @slappyslapstick4045
    @slappyslapstick4045 Před rokem +4

    This is the best-looking vegan ham I've ever seen.

  • @Housefrequence
    @Housefrequence Před 2 lety +1

    That looks amazing! Is the mushroom powder just straight ground up dried mushrooms or is it more like the salty mushroom powder/granules found in Asian grocery stores?

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks!! Mine is just powdered mushrooms. I used the mortar in the video as the seasoning was a little too large of a grain.

    • @Housefrequence
      @Housefrequence Před 2 lety

      @@BoldFlavorVegan Thank you!

    • @AyanaSioux
      @AyanaSioux Před rokem

      @@BoldFlavorVegan what kind of mushrooms did you use?

  • @svensellin
    @svensellin Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome video mate. I actually watched Kim's video, but I might give yours a crack and making homemade smoked salt etc.
    What is an i stant pot though?? Looks like a pressure cooker to me. Is that what it is?

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks! Yes - it is a pressure cooker, but it has a slow cooking function as well. You can also slow cook traditionally in a Dutch oven or a regular slow cooker, too.
      If you try it out, let me know how it goes!

    • @svensellin
      @svensellin Před 2 lety

      @@BoldFlavorVegan well I just took it out of the slow cooker and it is now resting for 8 hours on the bench. But I forgot to rub in the vegan butter after seasoning!! Spent hours doing this and missed that step!!!
      Was so annoyed at myself. So it will probably turn out crap 😢
      I also didn't add all of the seasoning. It seemed like way too much for what was there. I also think there was still too much moisture in the gluten when rubbing the seasoning in. And I let the gluten rest for 90mins after washing and then 60mins after joining the 2 balls together.
      Trial and error I guess. But it literally took most of the day As I really had no idea what I was doing lol
      From memory you didn't mention how much vegan butter to use either. How much do you use?

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety

      @@svensellin All is not lost! It will probably turn out just fine. For the butter, when you heat slices before you serve, you can probably rub some butter on the pan/slice.
      Re seasoning amount: I thought the same thing when I tested this recipe the first time, and also significantly reduced the amount. However, since it is a huge roast, and some is lost inevitably due to moisture in the gluten, that is about how much I think is needed. If it turns out under-seasoned, you can sprinkle the seasoning mix on the slices themselves after pan frying.
      Thanks for letting me know I didn't mention how much butter. It was around 2-3 tablespoons. I didn't measure, but the block that I use in the video was 4 tablespoons total, and I used about half of that.

  • @katherinel8970
    @katherinel8970 Před 2 lety +2

    Brilliant idea!! Cuz the smoked salt that he recommended is like $20😳so I will def try your way

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +1

      It was shockingly easy to infuse the liquid smoke. Good luck! Let me know how it turns out.

  • @dynamicbettas2292
    @dynamicbettas2292 Před 2 lety +1

    Super tempted to make this ! Do you know how I would approach this using straight up vital wheat gluten instead of regular flour?

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +3

      I'm working on how to do that right now! I'll let you know when I publish (if it works)!

  • @jenniferbreaux1327
    @jenniferbreaux1327 Před 2 lety

    DUUUUUDE!! This looks amazing and I love the addition of some seasonings, I do that too, and it's SO good!!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +1

      Nice! What do you use for the seasonings? The same as what I used? If so, that would be a "great minds" moment haha.

    • @jenniferbreaux1327
      @jenniferbreaux1327 Před 2 lety

      @@BoldFlavorVegan heck yeah! I added some vegan ham bouillon powder & brown sugar also, along w the salt, and opted for the brine. SO SO GOOD! Kim Weston has started a revolution! LOL

  • @Karen-bj7lc
    @Karen-bj7lc Před 2 lety +6

    That is beautiful and it sure looks like the result is worth the effort. I bet, if there are any leftovers, they will make great ham salad.

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety

      Thank you! It makes a ton, so it is for sure worth the effort. I can also confirm that it is amazing on salad!

  • @jcburnett5091
    @jcburnett5091 Před rokem

    Thanks!

  • @gladysmirynaetchegaraylemo6276

    Vou tentar fazer . Obrigada por Compartir. Deve ser delicioso . Traduz para o Portugues ou Espanhol por gentileza.

  • @ancadinu
    @ancadinu Před 2 lety

    Looks amazing! I was wondering if the gloves are necessary when washing the dough? Thanks!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety

      Thanks so much! No, they aren't necessary at any point of the recipe.

  • @wayne00k
    @wayne00k Před rokem +1

    I don't have an instant pot cooker... would the better option be a pressure cooker or simmering in a dutch oven like a roast?
    Cheers for sharing this recipe!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +1

      I would use a dutch oven to slow cook - I wrote an extensive comment about how to do that responding to this question on someone else's same question. If you can't find it, there are adaptation tables for electric slow cooker to dutch oven online.

  • @flipmcflop2
    @flipmcflop2 Před 2 lety

    Looks so good. Is the butter optional?

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety

      I haven't done it without the butter, but it should be fine without it. Maybe just not as juicy. If you give it a go let us know here in the comments how it turned out!

  • @shesonfire_
    @shesonfire_ Před 10 měsíci +2

    this is so creative..i would do a veggie bun like egg plant or mushroons since the ham is technically bread. no way im eating bread on bread and still thinking im eatin healthy just cause its vegan lol

    • @mimilay3680
      @mimilay3680 Před 5 měsíci

      Ir make spelt bread with spelt flour, super healthy Dr selbi approved grain

  • @picklestheturtle5255
    @picklestheturtle5255 Před 2 lety

    Is there any possible way to calculate the nutrition information for this? Particularly the flour washing part. This looks amazing!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +1

      That is a great question, I'm not really sure. My best guess would be to weigh the gluten and then go from there. I get around 45-60 slices of ham when I make it.

  • @joelbuchmann1738
    @joelbuchmann1738 Před 2 lety +20

    This is amazing! I’m new to working with seitan. What’s the benefit of doing the wtf method instead of starting with vital wheat gluten?

    • @jenniferbreaux1327
      @jenniferbreaux1327 Před 2 lety +17

      I know I'm not the OP but vital wheat gluten can tend to have a stronger gluten flavor that can be off-putting to some, due to the processing, it intensifies that flavor. But because the gluten isn't being dried in the WTF method, it's a much milder, sweeter, fresher flavor. Hope that helps!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +9

      Thanks! Glad you liked it!
      Outside of what Jennifer mentioned, I feel that it is easier to get the desired texture from WTF method. I've never been able to get a final product close to this from using VWG, but honestly the biggest upside for me is that VWG is less work.

    • @joeb4142
      @joeb4142 Před rokem +3

      WTF is also less expensive and the process of kneading is meditative. The whole process is like a stress vacation if you get into the flow.

  • @spiritussancto
    @spiritussancto Před rokem +1

    that kind of food colour only reacts to protein and not cellulose. you can also use it to dye wool or silk (activated with heat and acid like vinegar) but not cotton or linen. it will also dye your hair. i thickened it with starch and left it on my hair all day and it worked great

  • @katierosemusic
    @katierosemusic Před měsícem

    There are a lot of comments to go through so my question may have been asked already, can you use vital wheat gluten instead of doing the flour washing process? My hands wouldnt be able to do all that washing. The recipe looks so good!!! Thanks!

  • @princess3193
    @princess3193 Před 2 lety +7

    Omg this looks the most legit like ham of any vegan ham I've ever seen!! 😮
    How about using beet juice instead of the dye??

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks! You know I bet it would work but I’ve never done it myself or seen someone else try it. If you do would love to hear how it goes.

    • @Mandi2727
      @Mandi2727 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah I would think it would be healthier and and add a nice flavor as well

    • @jules1399
      @jules1399 Před 2 lety +3

      I tried it with beet juice today, the ham itself tastes amazing, however the beet juice sadly didn‘t stick to the gluten so I ended up with kind of like a „grey ball“ - maybe I washed it out during the cooking time…would love to see if anyone else had the same problem or if it worked for someone!

    • @MUPPETAU
      @MUPPETAU Před 2 lety +3

      @@jules1399 Beet juice or powder will always go grey after it is cooked. I use it in my TVP burgers; fools my non-vegan friends as it transitions to the grey cooked meat colour.
      Depending on what I am 'faking' I use tomato paste, paprika, beet powder or Vegan red food dye as Bold did.

    • @wayne00k
      @wayne00k Před rokem +2

      @@BoldFlavorVegan about beets... I've had great success using a whole beet puree mixed into VWG when making a "rare" brisket. Take a look at Connie's Rawsome Kitchen "corned beef" recipe on youtube. My recipe is modified from her's and I've served it at least three times for a holiday meal and it passed the meat eaters test each time.
      Treat the puree as a liquid by volume and you will be very close to the consistency desired for the meat being made.
      One final note is that the beet will cook to a grey-brown around the edges but remain pink in the center. This result mimics a cooked beef but might not pass the visual for a ham. So when I make this ham I will use a beet and start with half of the dye.
      Can't wait to give this a go!

  • @user-dt3hk7fu8w
    @user-dt3hk7fu8w Před 2 lety +3

    I've never seen a mock meat so similiar :o

  • @childoftime9964
    @childoftime9964 Před rokem

    That is LIT. OMG

  • @gamyrworf6228
    @gamyrworf6228 Před rokem

    I've never bought mushroom powder. Do you recommend a type over another? I'm looking on Amazon and see one that's Porcini and one that's Shitake that are both the best priced.

  • @carimeslockdownedtree2654
    @carimeslockdownedtree2654 Před měsícem

    i come from a tumblr talking about a reddit post in which someone tried this and it looked like a real human heart. cheers! i have No idea how the hell they got that result, but it _genuinely_ looks like one. i am not even exaggerating. i thought it was one.

  • @ilo_ro
    @ilo_ro Před 2 lety +51

    I love ham so much and this looks phenomenal, but my god that’s a lot of work 😅

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety +19

      Thanks! I'm actually working on a quicker version right now. I'll let you know when it goes live (if the test works).

    • @valeriehouston4539
      @valeriehouston4539 Před rokem +1

      Could honestly do it alot easier the no wash seitan method oat flour or any other flour u want. But would need to knead for 10 minutes and can use a kitchen aid for that.

    • @xibalbaNOW
      @xibalbaNOW Před rokem +7

      You can just buy vital wheat gluten and skip the washing, super quick

    • @kkmm682
      @kkmm682 Před rokem +4

      Vital Wheat Gluten is Pre Washed Flour, so It'll be much Quicker. You can get it at Walmart or Grocery Stores, Bob's Red Mill is one Brand

    • @joeb4142
      @joeb4142 Před rokem +1

      @@xibalbaNOW The question is, exactly how much VWG to use?

  • @MardiK2000
    @MardiK2000 Před rokem

    Wow!

  • @mikairu2944
    @mikairu2944 Před rokem

    Ain't nobody got time for that, but man I'd love to try it

  • @dahmeneekah
    @dahmeneekah Před rokem +9

    Nice! I'd probably use beet juice or powder instead of dye though

    • @mattjames818
      @mattjames818 Před rokem +2

      The beet juice or powder turns brown when cooked so I don't recommend it.

    • @joeb4142
      @joeb4142 Před rokem +4

      I tried beet powder and tomato powder and they were both a no go 👎🏻

    • @josephlariviere7490
      @josephlariviere7490 Před rokem +1

      @@mattjames818 I saw someone else use a small amount of Citric acid to preserve the color, looked like it worked

  • @alvs2507
    @alvs2507 Před rokem +1

    Hi, can I use gluten directly? and skip the washing process? or will it affect the final texture? by the way, this looks amazing! can't wait to try!

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem

      Like using vital wheat gluten flour? Unfortunately no, but I do have a version of this in my other ham video that uses VWG!

  • @ceceliasimpson7142
    @ceceliasimpson7142 Před rokem

    Can't wait to try this out, tried a seitan ham last year man it was yucky waste of ingredients......what type flour do you use 🤔

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem

      I used brand name AP flour in this recipe, but you can also use bread flour. Higher gluten yield. As far as the wheat taste, I've never tasted that before, so, YMMV. I've heard people use vinegar to alleviate that.

  • @ankebremer8187
    @ankebremer8187 Před rokem

    Hi,
    this looks amazing! I am planning to try it for Christmas this year. I was wondering, since the flour contains 11% gluten, could I just use 2 times 0.55 lb of gluten (11% of 5 lb flour)? Have you tried that before?

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem

      Glad you want to give it a go! Just to make sure I understand, are you talking about using vital wheat gluten instead of flour?

    • @ankebremer8187
      @ankebremer8187 Před rokem

      @@BoldFlavorVegan yes, using wheat gluten instead of washing the flour.

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem +1

      @@ankebremer8187 Unfortunately that won't work, but I do have a version that uses VWG, (but the WTF method is superior in my opinion): czcams.com/video/Ou3qXKBJEtg/video.html

    • @ankebremer8187
      @ankebremer8187 Před rokem

      @@BoldFlavorVegan Thanks! I'll give both of them a go.

  • @123mpmk5
    @123mpmk5 Před 2 lety

    How long does this take to make, should I keep this in the fridge and how long does this hold? This looks great I would love to make this

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před 2 lety

      I didn't time it, but I'd say about 1-1.5 hours of active time in total (kneading, combining ingredients, washing, glazing). With non active time, including the slow cooker, and resting in the fridge overnight, I'd say around 1.5 days before you serve but you could even leave the house for a lot of that.

  • @rjahood2473
    @rjahood2473 Před rokem

    Looks amazing.. could you just use VWG instead of doing the while washing process?

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem

      Thanks! No, but I do have a version of this recipe using VWG here: czcams.com/video/Ou3qXKBJEtg/video.html

  • @tracyehrenberg6074
    @tracyehrenberg6074 Před rokem

    oh boy, that looks amazing. have you ever made turkey using a similar method?

  • @PaolaLozanoYoga
    @PaolaLozanoYoga Před 2 lety

    Nice!

  • @W3S3333
    @W3S3333 Před rokem

    Wow for years I've sworn by Worthington Meatless Ham (formerly known as Wham) as being the only acceptable plant-based holiday ham. Next year I should try this instead! This is a very impressive recipe. But that old holiday Wham is no slouch.

    • @BoldFlavorVegan
      @BoldFlavorVegan  Před rokem

      It still stands as the best vegan ham, and probably even seitan, I've ever had!

    • @myishacherry7242
      @myishacherry7242 Před rokem

      I grew up with wham & it is sooo different now😔 so I can't wait to try this