One VEGAN HAM to rule them all: REVISITED
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
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It has been a while (2 years!) since my last video about this ham recipe and given how epic it is it was due for a revisit. Over the years I've made this a lot and tweaked the recipe while making it more simple. I also wanted to share some of the new ways I think about the seasoning technique. IMO this is the best seitan gets. If you've been waiting for a sign to try this recipe, consider it this video!
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- Full Wash the Flour Guide: • How to Wash The Flour:...
- My first video on this recipe: • One VEGAN HAM to rule ...
- Kim's original Pig Saver Recipe which inspired this one: • ‘Pig-saver’ Vegan ham,...
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Chapters:
Intro: 0:00-0:29
Make and rest the doughs: 0:30-1:38
Wash the Flour: 1:39-2:13
Season the gluten: 2:14-5:49
Final Cook: 5:50-7:22 - Jak na to + styl
My beetroot powder gave mine a beautiful pink. I used a recipe with vital wheat gluten and I loved it. Wish I had done it sooner.
What was your method?
I have never done washed flour method. I have perfected my techniques with vital wheat gluten. I use 1-2 TBS of beet root powder and it was perfect. I used a combination of two people’s recipes.
@@jackseveHow much vital gluten did you use?
I've used beetroot powder for VWG recipes as well. Let me know if you try it for this specific recipe or on a WTF recipe and provide pics of the final producrt and amount used. Would love to be able to recommend that as an option. I've seen photos where people have used beet root powder on this recipe and it turned grey.
THANKS FOR THE GOOD INFO 👍🏾
Hi Bold,
I’m glad you’re back. Thanks for the positive perspective and the fantastic recipes and technique. Keep it going!! I really appreciate your content.
Thanks so much. I really appreciate you and everyone who watches. Honored when anyone spends time with my work. I'm so glad you're here and enjoying the videos. This comment made my day.
If anyone has issues with creators of recipes, just move on to what you like. You do not have to be nasty and call people names. Just scroll on and keep you opinions to yourself. Sometimes folks who want to transition from eating flesh to plant base options, need a bridge to help them cross over. Hence these recipes. Thank God for folks like the "Bold Flavor Vegan" who wants to create that bridge of recipes to help those folks who just want a way to transition. Keep up your work and may God continue to give you more ways to create these amazing recipes for those of us who look to you to 'wow' us with your talent. You are amazingly talented. God bless you!
For a natural food coloring that is red you might consider trying food grade iron oxide.
Aside from the obvious use, it will also add some dietary iron as well as imparting a slightly heme-y taste like you get from adding molasses to seasonings that replicate meat flavors.
Oh cool! Would love to see pics of a roast from someone who tried this with amounts/technique etc... hopefully someone will give it a go! Would love to have other options for those who don't want to use the food dye.
I'd be wary of that stuff. In excess, it can react with stomach acid to produce peroxides and superoxides, which will injure your gut lining and give you hella diarrhea. It's the reason iron supplements tend to be so rough to use.
or you know just do beets...
@@luke_fabisThat may be true, but considering actual meat is coloured by iron content too, I imagine the amount needed is well below that which would make you ill.
@@Lopata991didn't he say in two videos that beet juice ends up grey 🩶
Man oh man you are the King of Seitan!! Looks so good...I will make this recipe for Easter for sure.
Thanks bro, luv u ♥ ♥
Great update recipe, thanks!
Looks amazing...thank you so much!
Yoooooo this looks fantastic my guy!
There's never been a better time to start up seitan crochet, it comes in handy for all the twists & knots.
What is seitan crochet??
Ha! That is a good one! I had thought it looked like doing macrame, but I think your description of the visual of the pulling and pushing of the seitan to enhance texture IS more like crochet than macrame!
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@@BoldFlavorVegan I didn't know of it until this video demonstrating the Seitan crochet technique, and it looks awesome.
My Vegan Brother - Just watching this now... and I think you have struck gold!
I'm going to give this a go exactly as you've shared.
Between us - this will ROCK our Passover table!
(And I was only going to make crab [mushroom] jambalaya with [vegan] pork sausage!
Thank you good Sir!
Oh My! Would love to try this but so unsuccessful at the wash method. This makes me want to try again!
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Wow this looks absolutely amazing. Will definitively try it out for easter!! I also have a request if you want : I used to be the biggest fan of smoked meat back in the days before I was vegetarian. Could you make a recipe for that? It would be a dream come true! Thanks!!
"I put half in the freezer for a future present to myself" Love that!
Made this mAny times. Def use liquid smoke, it's available everywhere. I also add worthington farms sham seasoning strained to get the little bits of dried herbs out, lots of it... Lots.
I saw another video for vegan steak and she used pomegranate juice for color. I'll have to find the video and link it.
It sounds like a great idea - I have both fresh beets and pomegranate juice. I guess I will be experimenting today
Any tips if you don't have a slow cooker 👀
Hi hon! I need you to do something. There are portable washing machines on sale on Amazon. I want you to buy one and see if you can use it to wash seitan. I would do it myself, but I can’t claim my random impulses as business expense😂. Anyhoo. Thanks for being you! Have a nice day.
Hey oh, he’s back
Never tried this but if you don’t mind a little acidity I wonder if hibiscus would work.
I use dried beets that I run through the blender till they are dust and use the juice from canned beets to color my "beef and pork"....
Thanks! If you ever try that for this specific recipe please let me know and send pics of the final product.
Just look at THAT!!! 🔥 📛 👩🚒 🚒
Here he is! @BoldFlavorVegan please try out @ChefTJ vegan mozzarella recipe, please...
Just wondering should you reduce the cooking time if you were making half the amount? Really looking forward to trying this, it’s impossible to get VWG anymore (in Ireland) so it’s great to see recipes using just plain old flour. The end product looks incredible ❤
Good question. In theory you should be able to but I’ve never tried that before. Seitan is usually done when then internal temp is ~180f. Hope that helps and let me know how it goes!
@@BoldFlavorVegani just did it and the two mix of washed flour did not "glued" back together correctly after cooking in the brine.. is it normal? It's still kind of separated and you can see the different colors... I feel like i did everything the right way, what happened?
Super se ve muy rico, la receta por favor
Can you replace butter with oil?
Would it work if you used a food processor to "blend" in the spices?
It should but I’ve never done it. Let me know if you do.
Does anyone else think this looks somehow obscene during its creation? LOL
A bit, yes. It's a lot of work, the making of fake ham.
Less work than raising a pig 😅
I am famished for "ham". I am not medically allowed to have this normally. I have had acid reflux disease for too long. I suffer with kidney stones. While everyone is eating ham, I can't. The smell of ham is unbelievable 😍. Enticing as heck😢😅and I am left out. I found plant based turkey but it was marbled with spinach, & cranberries stuffing. It was expensive for one log. I went out of town, and I actually found just a plant based roll of "turkey " and I was ecstatic. I bought 4 rolls. Now, I am in here looking @ this stuff you can make yourself and it's great!😂
Hey!! I was missing you... Why so long away? 😢
Have you tried Dragon Fruit Powder for colouring? It's more of a hot pink, but closer in colour, when used sparingly, as the colour of actual ham... Cheers!
Hey! Thanks for noticing. Means a lot. :) I just got a little burned out last year on making videos so took a break. No, I haven't tried that (or even heard of it) but would love to see pics of someone using on this recipe.
How long is the entire process
Can this be cooked in an instant pot if you don't have a slow cooker?
Yup! Use the "slow cook" button/function. I've never pressure cooked this.
Looks exactly like an actual ham!
I feel like you could sub a bunch of the salt with potassium salt, if sodium intake is a concern.
If you try it let me know how it goes!
Why don't you recommend the use of tablesalt? Is it just because the grain size?
Yeah, grain size, exactly.
Is there anything we can do with the starch water?
You can make a type of noodles called liangpi! I have also seen people make bacon and pepperoni with it too!
seitan society (should come up if you google it) has a bunch of starch water recipes, from cheeses to bacon to cheesecake afaik
I wonder if this can be smoked?
Probably, yes.
It looks amazing but it's certainly a lot of work... sad. But thanks for the update! Great video!
A great deal of work, and especially lots and lots of water. Have to boil mine to be able to drink it, so I tried the wash the flour method once. It took all 3 gallons of boiled water I normally have on hand, and still, it wasn't enough. For me, there's nothing seemingly quick or economical about the making of vegan meat.
He did say for the flour, you can use what you want. Ok.
Carbs!!!
Unless I missed it- no liquid smoke?
I added it to the glaze. You can use smoked salt in the roast if you want. I have a recipe for homemade smoked salt in my first WTF ham video.
I really want to do the recipe, but this system of "lb bags" don't make sense to me, i'm french and i'm using grams, kilograms :(
On the recipe it says : "2, 5lb bags of all purpose flour, divided"
I have no clue what it means, is it 2 bags of 2,5lb (wich is 1130g each), or 1130g divided by 2 ? :(
Americans use a "." to indicate a decimal not a comma, so "two and a half" would be "2.5" not "2,5". Therefore, Americans would read this ingredient as "two 5 lb bags of flour" (where 1 lb is 434 grams) and "divided" just means he's not using all the flour in one bowl (as you can see in the recipe). Obviously it would be clearer to say "10 lbs (4340 g) of flour, divided into two" but most people buy 5 lb bags of flour, so this isn't really confusing to American shoppers.
@@nekokichi11 Wait WHAAAT; so i need 4340g of flour for this recipe :O ?
Thanks for your comment, you can't imagine how confusing it is for non american Hahhaha
Omfg i i think i just get it; 2,5lb bags means
2x5lb bags
So yeah 10lb
:O
AMERICA is killing it, damn i would never have understand that x)
You got it! That is correct. 10lbs or 4,540g of flour total. The common size of bags of flour in US markets is 5lbs, so that is why it is written that way. It is supposed to be helpful but instead is confusing! Really appreciate the feedback. I'll update the recipe with grams when I have a moment.
By the by, the reason so much flour is called for is because I want you to get a lot of final product for your work. This makes A LOT. Also, just a precaution, I have no idea what the gluten content of flour is in different parts of the world. The flour I use is 11% gluten. The amount of gluten content directly affects the size of the roast and the seasonings were written with that in mind.
@@BoldFlavorVegan I DID IT !! I used it to make carbonara, it's DELICIOUS and i never had a seitan with that texture ! AMAZING, thanks !
Is the website meant to say 1 tsp for every cup of water in the brine, instead of 1 tbsp?
I did it and it was so salty
What was salty the brine or the final ham?
The ham @@BoldFlavorVegan
@@matt96533 sorry to hear that, how much salt did you use in the seasoning mix. The brine is correct.
@@matt96533 and also, what type of salt did you use? Kosher or table?
I didn't understand what kosher salt was either - this video helps explain the drastic difference. Unfortunately the recipe is not giving Grams but rather a Volume so you end up with entirely the wrong amount of salt. czcams.com/video/XGCY9Cpia_A/video.htmlsi=_p0UCj0Rb6Qmvf3Q
Is butter vegan?
Vegan butter is
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Now to tweak this recipe to make spam 😊
I made the recipe but some reason it came out too salty. ugh
I’m sorry to hear that - I’ve gotten a few people saying this so I’m going to have to do some tinkering and look at reducing the salt. It’s odd as I haven’t changed the amount over the three years of making this recipe. Try using this as an ingredient for sandwiches, soups, salads, in pasta (like carbonara). Hopefully the texture is good!
I did it again with half the salt and it worked out perfect
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I've had zero success with WTF method. GF gives me consistent results compared. I can just never get rid of all the starch with WTF. It just seems like I'm infinitely washing and who has that kind of time.
I break my wtf method into 4 washes. I initially did 3 washes because I wanted to save water, but 4 thorough washes works for me
Why excatly does koshering salt ned to be used? Without argument, I would just assume that it's the standard ignorant American argument that it's somehow magically better.
It's the size of the salt grains that make the difference, I think.
drives me absolutely crazy how often american youtubers insist you "have" to use kosher salt. I have literally never seen kosher salt for sale in my country in my life yet somehow magically we're all able to cook just fine without it.
plus it's usually not iodised and i like not getting gout.
Salt is salt. For Americans kosher salt is just the standard large, coarse grain cooking salt. You "have to" use it because the alternative that comes to mind for beginner cooks is table salt, and if you use an equal volume of table salt then salt is the only thing you'll taste. Sub for a similar kind of salt if you don't have access to kosher (can't get it locally where I live either, but it's still cheap online) or find a way to convert the measurements. Don't think anyone actually thinks its "better" than similar grain sizes, it's just what they're used to and it's easy to get for their intended audience.
From the Internet:
"Many people prefer using kosher salt because it isn't iodized and doesn't contain any additives or trace minerals."
"Chefs use it because a pinch of kosher salt is less salty by mass than a pinch of regular salt."
Pickling salt is an option to Kosher salt. Coarse sea salt is another. It's simply "bigger salt".. or "larger salt".. or whatever description which will make Americans seem less "arrogant". Methinks the issue that rubbeths the congregation the wrong way is the definitive kind of salt given. Use whatever salt you like for all anyone really cares, then. When you do, and the result isn't what you expect, be sure to blame someone other than yourself.
also i dont understand the resistance poeple have to uaing wtf method. its not that hard. and vwg meats are much more expensive and the flavor and texture are not as good imo. yes it is easier to season with vwg as you can season in thw beginning but i still think its not worth the money when the texture and flavor are not there.
Um, no.
I'm not convinced LOL!!! I need more PROOF!!! This looks like HAM....Your video was cut/edited and im stunted...PLEASE show FULL video without edits and let those of us that are skeptics see the truth
The best vegan meat comes from mushrooms and nothing else comes close. Period
Great insight - I might try adding mushroom powder to this recipe. thanks for the idea!
It definitely looks like duck meat
Oh it gets dark
Was about to say it's amazing the lengths vegans will go to make flour look and taste like meat, but then you added butter, so it isn't vegan anymore. Buying a ham from the store is so much easier, just slice and enjoy without all that work 🤪
Vegan butter is very common so is most margarine. There’s also vegan ham slices in many stores but this is an extra special thing, why cook anything you can literally buy anything or cook it better from scratch. I think if laziness is what’s making you contribute to the pain and suffering of animals that’s really sad.
Vegan butter is very common so is most margarine. There’s also vegan ham slices in many stores but this is an extra special thing, why cook anything you can literally buy anything or cook it better from scratch. I think if laziness is what’s making you contribute to the pain and suffering of animals that’s really sad.
A sincere legit Vegan would be revolted by concept of making and eating a pretend ham !! Don't be so hypocritical, and just let go of the concept of meat !!
people miss things they grew up with, and maybe they want to impress people who aren’t vegan. there are plenty of people who wouldn’t go vegan if they didn’t have access to good alternatives to meat and cheese; if it doesn’t contain animal products, who are you to say it’s wrong for a vegan to eat?
@@binkuspinkus8400 it goes against what vegans say they stand for. Exploitation of animals, and pretend animal products are like a monument to animal exploitation. Same with having pets. Somehow vegans try to rationalize that as well.
@@brin57How does wheat gluten exploit animals?
@@luke_fabisIt doesn't. My point is that if you are totally against exploitation of animals, you shouldn't be wanting to eat even pretend meat. The very idea of it should be revolting.
Are you vegan?
Why? If y'all are so against eating animal products, why do you keep making things that look like meat ? Vegetables are delicious. You don't see omnivores making fake vegetables out of meat, do you? I seriously don't get it. No matter how delicious that may be, calling it ham is a blatant lie.
Nobody is lying to you. If you don't specifically want vegan ham, then it's not for you. It's there for the sake of communication. It substitutes ham, and it is vegan. Hence, vegan ham. Very clear, very succinct.
You might be surprised to hear this, but veganism isn't about vegetables. It doesn't fetishize them in any way. It's about not hurting animals, as far as is practicable. Most vegans grew up eating meat. Substitutes for meat lower the barrier to adopting and following a vegan lifestyle. It's not supposed to be a sacrifice. This isn't a religion.
Ham is tasty and vegans like tasty stuff
The reason vegans eat things like this ham is not because they don't like the taste of ham or other animal products. It is because they want to reduce harm against animals.
JUST EAT REAL HAM!
When you started eating animals, was it a conscious choice after a conversation you had with who brought you up? It's not our natural instinct to bite into an animal and rip it's flesh apart. We don't even have the teeth for it. Humanity started doing it for survival purposes and these reason don't even exist anymore on more developed regions of the planet. I'm sure most people on the internet aren't fighting for survival...
this is real ham, the other stuff is animal corpse 🤮
Healthy, delicious, nutritious, and natural animal corpse. If you get good quality, local made ham, it also isn't made with a bunch of ultra-processed ingredients strongly linked to disease - unlike the crap this is made with.
Just one question: why did you first start eating meat? Was it a conscious choice? Did your parents or whoever brought you up ask you and talk to you about it before they started feeding you,meat and other animal products? A human’s, natural instinct is not to kill an animal for food. If you give a small child a bunny to hold, its natural instinct is not to dig his teeth into the bunny, but pet it and cuddle it. Eating it raw would be gross. Humans don’t even normally eat raw meat and we only started doing it for survival’s sake. We are not carnivores. We can’t be compared to lions or bears. And since when is ham healthy?!
🤣 Is that your 'logic'? Lol. Grow up.