Buying Offroad Rims and Tires after over a YEAR of Research | Wheel Size and Offset EXPLAINED!
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- I finally bought Overlanding Rims and Tires after over a YEAR of Research. After running all terrain BFG KO2s and and the TRD Pro rims for a long time, I decided it was time for a change. The BFGs were aging so it was not too long before they would need to be replaced. I decided to go with these awesome Relations Race Wheels rims and Yokohama Geolandar 003 M/Ts. Check out the video for the full review and reasoning!
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0:00 - Intro
1:16 - My New Rims & their Features
4:04 - Sizing Explanation
13:34 - Why I Chose my New Rims & Tires
20:22 - Outro - Auta a dopravní prostředky
That was the single best explanation of tire size and offset I have ever seen. So glad you went with the bronze. Too often, people want to murder everything out and go with a black rim, but I find that if you do that, it makes the wheel and tire disappear into the wheel well. That's why I've always liked either the bronze or a matte grey depending on the color of the vehicle. Yours looks great!
Thanks a ton!
@Hobbies4Hire Agreed!
Yeah. I love the gunmetal grey of my Alphas on my grey truck!
My 4runner is dark blue with black trim. Im not sure the brown would go with it.
Shiny wheelz are coming back.❤
The professor does it every time! Got the pictures, the math, the basis, he has dissected the problem and then great answers as always. Well done once again!
I am not a noob to the wheel/tire world, however, I have never seen anyone explain things better. The visual explanation with the drawing is what puts it over the top. Most people verbally explain things and not everyones brain processes information as well w/out visualization. Good teaching tool there. Obviously you were paying attention in school from good teachers and have applied that to the real world. And I never knew that the TRD rims that come with the Pro trims were narrow. I have been considering them for my TRD-OR, but not now. Thanks!
Thanks! I appreciate it! Yeah it makes no sense to me. The TRD Pro rims should be 8.5" wide...
Dude you’re amazing at explaining. Very analytical and thoroughly thought out 👍
Thanks!
Thank you. This is everything I needed to see and hear. Best explanation I've seen.
Excellent explanation on tire size wheel size placement and offset!! Well done sir!
Extremely helpful and simple video. Thanks man!
Great video, loved the depth of the info.
That wheel/tire combo looks kickass!
Thanks!
Just wanted to say thank you for the visual breakdown glad to hear your Yokohamas are treating you well I want to put the same on my sr5 this year so your research is helping me not have to sift through pages and pages of people telling me to get this over that so to speak
The forums are never ending...I am trying out some Wildpeaks now but I did not switch because I disliked the Yokohamas. They were different but I am doing research for the channel and for bigger tires :)
Great video! Well done. Very helpful! Thanks for sharing. Nice rig!
Finally, great explanation !
Thank you Man
No problem!
Very helpful bro. Im on my 4runner adventure atm and this is very helpful. I was struggling with the suspension and tire info as I didn't know exactly where to start. You broke it all down and I would say this is a good point of reference. 👍🏾👍🏾
Awesome! I’m glad!
Great explanation and visuals! Thanks for taking the time to draw it out.
Downhill and uphill also plays a role. Before getting a body mount chop, I had to make a uturn down hill once and it rubbed hard but uturns on flat road didn’t b
Thanks! Good to know!
Awesome video! super helpful and clear explanation, this helped a lot. That 4runner is looking fire!
Thanks!
fantastic video! hats off to you for IMO the best explanation of fitment with respect to offset, bm chop etc.. nailed it bro!! Really great looking wheelset on your rig! Looks kickass!🤙
Thanks!
I concur with this excellent demo. For reference I have 285/70/17 Mickey Thompson ATs on SCS Ray10s -38. I needed a fairly aggressive front mod (not a viper trim however) as well as BMC,, needed to trim the rocker caps quite a bit, about half inch from the bottom of the rear fender and had to fold the pinch welds behind the rocker cap.
Other than the BMC, the other stuff was easy to DIY. Maybe s 20 min process but it still was required. Just an fyi for anyone looking at -38
Incredible video. Thank you so much! Not what I wanted to hear, but now I know what to look for.
Right on!
Great vid and explanation! Love the look
Thanks!
Amazing! Thank you for the clarity. Subbed right away. Thank you and God bless.
awesome video!! this helps a ton. and also I've been looking for a good rim that I could add bead locks to and this is amazingly helpful
Right on!
Well done! Looks good!
We ALL appreciate you Man!!
Thanks!
Outstanding explanation!!
Thank you !!
No problem! Thanks!
Great job on explaining offset's and tire size. I run the same Yoko's on my 1st gen Taco, and after this video I may even buy some for my 5th gen 4rnr along with new wheels! Once again great job....
⚓ Awesome presentation and explanation🤙.
Awesome video bro.
Best explanation on the entire internet
Period
Thanks!!
Definitely learned more from this video than I did from researching for weeks elsewhere. Thanks for this!
For sure! No problem!
Ufff It looks great, congratulation for your excelent choice.
Love the WHEELS great video!
You are so freakin solid. Don’t stop doing this. You could make a career out of this channel.
Thanks! I really appreciate that!
You should do one on load ratings, great video on explaining wheels size & offsets btw!
If it was that important he would have included it...just kidding;(
Great video… thanks dude!
Great vid thank you, cheers!
Thanks!
Great info. Thanks.
Bit of an older video, but a good one. One cannot emphasize enough the effect of offset on clearance during turning.
You made a good choice with the Yokohama. I am a big fan of the G015 A/T series. I went away from them to the Wildpeak AT3 on my Tundra for a more aggressive look. It's a great tire, no doubt. But it's a heavy tire, I lost over 1 mpg (on a Tundra where you don't have much to give, that's a decent amount). Love the bronze on the black. I have a white one that I am shopping new wheels and leaning bronze as well.
This video is absolute perfection!!! No insane loud music, no cursing rap music, absolutely detailed and visual audio and technical explanation of offset that beginner to expert can understand. Absolute perfection just subscribed 💞
Right on! Thanks!
I also appreciate to through explanation. Thank you
I put Falken Wildpeaks on my 4Runner and have been very satisfied with them for the past year and a half.
Yeah I have also ran falken wildpeaks, awesome tire.
Those look really nice. I have a black 4Runner and I might have to copy you on this.
Do it!!
Nice job. Thanks.
If you want snow tires, I recommend Firestone tires , but only snow tires . There very good and they grab well with no sliding
Good explication on offset, the rim width being smaller is better at keeping your tires from coming off the bead when aired down!
I had the Yokohama’s and they chunked when off-roading in AZ(Rocky) otherwise they looked great.. now have wild peaks, never going back to a Mud! ✌🏽
Ah shoot…yeah with some of the slippery snowing conditions I’ve been eyeing Falkens again…I just wish there wasn’t a national shortage and you could get them without a markup…
Was into the car scene, sold my m3 for a 4runner trd pro just this past weekend. so this helped out tons. Super informative, was this set up with the stock fox shocks? Or did it have a lift kit or diff suspension?
Hello! Thanks for the very nice explanation. Just like to ask how much does the tire poke out in your set up? Thanks
Thanks for a very thoughtful presentation on this. It was quite helpful to me. I think the original tire size on the TRD Pro 4Runner is due mainly for gas mileage. Narrower tires weigh less and have less rolling resistance. They also tend to track a little better in snow and minimize hydroplaning. So, it seems the narrow tire is oriented toward performance on pavement and gas mileage. Ironic? Very. I definitely like the way you went on this. I spend most of my time on pavement (sigh) but am giving serious consideration to 275s to avoid all the other things that go along with 285s, and hope gas mileage doesn't take too much of a hit. I might have to go with wider rims, I hope not but I also want to minimize the chance of a bead popping off during an emergency evasive maneuver at 75 mph. Those oblivious blueish-gray haired grannies on the highway can be problematic at times.
Hahaha I think you will love 275s. I presume you could get away with stock rims. 285s are on the fence for me but everyone has different comfort thresholds. I feel like wider wheels would be better in snow for more contact points! I can see the hydroplane part but I’ve always heard people like more tire for traction, it just hurts the MPG
Any recommendations on what tires to get. I have a black 2022 4runner with trd wheels & im not wanting to lift because I keep my truck in the garage. Yours tires look awesome on yours. Would like something similar that won't rub. Thanks for the awesome content!
Great video. I might have missed this, but what year 4 Runner and did you do any other modifications ie lift kit? I thought 285's were the largest possible without any modification.
Positive offset vastly increases clearance. I have 32.6” tires in my GX with no rubbing. No lift. No chop. No heat gun massage. Stock GX wheels, +25mm offset. 265/70r18. Mild tread LTX M/S Michelins.
This was an excellent explanation of tire size. I learned more from your video than several others I have watched that deal with the same subject. This information will inform my rim/tire size purchases going forward for my Tacoma. Besides understanding this subject, I think I could now explain it someone else. Thanks -
Right on! Glad it helped!
I have balancing issues with my current set of KO2's. I tried standard balancing at three different shops, but it was still pretty bad. There is a bit of feedback in the steering wheel at 70mph + that cannot be resolved. I went to the Toyota dealership and did a road force balance and it did make the problem 1000% better than it was with a standard balance. It was also 3x the price of a normal balance job.
That's been my experience.
Minor correction: the first number is section width, which is at the widest point on the sidewall/-NOT the tread width. You will find that tire shape differences cause different tread widths at the same nominal section width.
Can you give a long term review on these wheels? Are they forged?
Nice Spirit of 1876 tee! I love those guys. Are you in Colorado? I personally decided on 255/80R17s over 285/70R17s for my overland truck and I've been happy with the performance. I went back and forth a lot. Both sizes are great, with different advantages and disadvantages.
Same! I’m actually from Minnesota but love Spirit of 1876
Finally someone that explains that the middle number is a percentage of width.
Curious if you got adjustable UCAs and if you used Caster to help fit the fronts.
Thanks! I did not need any adjusted caster to fit these. I do have SPCs now but they are for the 33+ tires I might be getting.
I put a -12 on my 4 runner and stock tire and it was rubbing on the fronts on the mud flaps I didn't want to cut everything up so found a guy to buy then bought a 0mm and it was fine when I bought them.
Did you use any wheel spacers, or just used the offset wheels?
Great Video! I've got a 2018 Off Road Premium 4 Runner. Looking to upgrade to 35 x 12.5" Tires on a 17" Rim. Probably will need a BMC....
Definitely! And probably hammer pinch welds to be safe
Always amazed at how many crevices are in offroad wheels. Why not smoother so they fling mud and dirt off easier?
How do you like the Yokohama tire?is it noisy or good in winter? Thanks
Any issues with rubbing when the front suspension articulates over stuff?
I have a 4th gen v8 4runner 4x4. Do i really need 285/70/17 AT, or can I just get 265/70/17 AT duratrac for off roading ? I have a fuel efficient daily driver but most trails i want to hit on my 4runner are at least 3 hours away, so I'm thinking maybe the stock size would be better for gas mileage despite the main purpose of my rig being used to reach remote camping areas.
Great info with no filler chit chat, thank you. How are the Geolanders doing after almost a year? Noise? Winter performance?
I have a stock sr4 2021 4runner sr5 I plan on getting fox shocks and want to upgrade wheel and tire but don’t want to be rubbing..any suggestions on what wheel and tire size I should get??
I'm looking at Black Rhino Chamber 17×8.5 I want to know if -18 or 0 offset is better
How did these end up doing in the winter?
Would you say the spline lugs look better than hex? I see the ones you linked but it for some reason brings me to Subaru spline lugs. Lol
What do you think of 17 inch 9.5” wide with +6mm offset for a 4 runner
Did you do an update to these tires?
What offset did you get for the rrw?
Will a 2 inch spacer lift accommodate 285 BFGs? If not, are there 1 inch spacers and will 275s work? Thanks! Love your channel! Note: I plan to have a slight negative offset if I go with non-TRD wheels. If I go TRD how do you feel about spacers? You mentioned spacers in the beginning of this video but didn’t go into detail about them. Thanks again!!!!
Hmm...not sure on 2in for 285s...I would presume 2in would be good for 275s. I always try to remove rubbing from any circumstance even offroad. I think the general rule of thumb is 3" lift with zero offset and 285s. I think maybe a little negative offset with 275s and 2in lift could work but double check forums on that.
I currently run 1.25" spidertrax spacers. I do not think I had them installed at the time of the video. 1.25" = ~32 mm negative offset. I think spacers are just fine if they are installed correctly with correct loctite, torque, etc. If it were me I would probably run zero offset TRD or -10 or -12 mm aftermarket rims. I did a lot of trimming and hammering and a body mount chop to fit my 285/70R17s with a 3" lift and -32 mm offset. Negative offset can really introduce more rubbing quickly so be prepared to maximize lift or trim.
Great job with tire sizing and offset demo. I have an 04 V8 4Runner and am having to decide on tires as well. I am happy with my ATX Legend Teflon coated wheels never dirty. I'm currently running 265 70 17, FJ size, Yokohama MT unidirectional V pattern tread. I have 45K on them and they are noisy as a MT is but have warn perfectly and I've been very happy with them. Was thinking of going with K02s because I'm really not mudding very often. I really like your choice. 003s. Also looking at X ATs but not 3peak rated. I live in WV and winter is real. Very tough decision. Have you talked to anyone about the X ATs?
Also I like your T-Shirt would you mind letting me know the brand symbol.
The shirt is merch from Spirit of 1876, a super awesome local overlanding shop in Colorado but they have an online store as well!
As far as the X-ATs go I have not heard a whole lot because they seem to be drowned by 3 peak tires like KO2s and Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws. I know people that run both and I have ran a set of used KO2s. From what I can tell is if you get a good set of KO2s you will be happy but there is a lot of variability in the tire manufacturing so sometimes there are bad apples. The Falkens seemed to be better so you are less likely to get a bad tire. Also seems like people as of late think they are better than KO2s. Probably just depends on what you like to run or what previous experience is. The Falkens do have 55k mile limited warranty I believe which may be the same as KO2s but thats better than the X-AT. Tires are always a hard call because its all anecdotal reviews. If these mud terrains are not good in snow I'll be switching to wildpeaks more likely (I live in Minnesota so we get lots of snow and ice).
which part of the U.S. are you in?? Just curious if those Geolander tires will work for everyday Southern California. I just picked up some RRW myself except mine are the RR7-H. Love them.
If I lived in Southern California I would totally run geolandars. They are just a little questionable on ice and that’s it
Great video and very informative. Not sure if I missed but what is bead on a tire and is it useful or do we need that?
the bead is the edge of the tire that makes contact with the rim! Not super important information but thats the portion often hard bolted to beadlock rims
@@OverlandEngineer is there any purpose to have beads? Thanks
sorry I know there’s a lot of comments already. I’ve heard that any lift over 2inches should also have a diff drop to correct the geometry of the vehicle? maybe you can do a video to explain this concept to us non-engineers. btw the new rims and tires look amazing!
Thats a good idea! I had a 3" lift without one and didn't have problems. I am glad I have one now. It takes a away some ground clearance but its worth it.
I have also always thought it was strange that the TRD PRO rim is more narrow than the TRD Off-Road rims are.
Honestly…really dumb
MT G003 are the gbest all rounder tires I have owned so far.
Maybe I missed it but what offset did you get? Also, I drive a 2018 TRD ORP. I'm on my second set of Nitto Ridge Grappler in 285/70/17 and they have been awesome. I put 75K on the first set.
I got zero but I run a 1.25" spidertrax spacer. I can't remember if I had that in this video or not haha but all over my instagram, thats what I have. 1.25" = roughly -32mm ish
Did you raise the truck for this wheel rim setup? Was it all stock suspension?
I think people have fit 285/70/17s with a stock lift and lots of trimming. I’ve heard 275/70/17s fit pretty well on stock lifts without much trimming. A 3” lift with zero offset will fit these tires without a body mount chop and minimal trimming. You may be able to fit them with a lot of trimming and no bodymount chop if you get zero offset. The thing with a stock lift and bigger tires is your bumpstops are still OEM I presume so I’d be more worried at that point of rubbing or bottoming out and hitter you fender liner in the top. Just have to do a little articulation R&D haha
Good stuff also the more negative off-set the more stress on wheel bearings.Also if you don,t do offroading much. ever then p rated. not. l.t. tires will ride a WHOLE bunch better ,they are lighter,, less stress on drivetrain and better fuel economy.
About your rims did you choose -12 or 0? As offset and what does it look like?
Tons of photos on my Instagram and I have zero offset with 1.25” spacers
BFG KO/2s are highly overrated, IMHO. I had a set on my truck and was not impressed. Weak sidewalls, and way too easy to puncture. And overpriced. I'm picking up a 4Runner TRD/OR this weekend. It has Yokohama Geolander ATs of some sort on it already. They are new, so I'll run them until they are done then switch to my preferred Hankook Dynapro A/T. I have a set on my '15 Jeep GC and they have been fantastic on and off road. (yes, I take my GC off road.)
I did a lot of digging to get the right wheel/tire combo to fit 32's on the GC. Went with 30mm offset (factory is 50), and they work great. However, I did it not really understanding what the numbers meant. With this video it makes perfect sense! Thanks!
Also, since this video is a few years old now, can you give an update on how those M/Ts you put on there are holding up?
I have installed 30mm wheel spacers after a 2 inch suspension lift on Prado.
The wheels are still stock.
I have 3 options.
Should I get -12 offset and remove spacers?
Or
Keep spacers with stock wheels
Or
Get -12 offset and let the wheel spacers be there..
what brand of rims do you have. I love em. The dark nr
bronze is awesome . where did you order then?
They are from Relations Race Wheels! Matte Bronze RR6-H. "OVLDENG" saves you some money!
@@OverlandEngineer I was on thier website earlier. Said thee 0 offsets were sold out. Do you have sources?
@@DavidRamirez-fe5dd No they probably are. I technically run a -25 offset because I have zero offset with 1.25" spacers...
@@OverlandEngineer Would you mind showing us the difference in how much the tires stick out with the zero offset vs. the zero offset with spacers? Thanks for your content.
@@Gnargoyle811 message me on Instagram because there isn’t a good way to do that on CZcams
Are the new wheels lighter than the TRD wheels?
Looks like it. I would expect so since they are bigger. TRD pro rims are 17x7 (25lbs) and RRW RR6-H are 17x8.5 (28.4lbs).
thanks for the vid! Do you know what the stock offset and weight is on a 2022 trd tacoma offroad is?
Really wanted the TRD Pro wheels but also wanted to run 285/70/17s. Annoyed at Toyota. Ended up ordering the RRW RR7-H 17x8.5 with a -14 offset. I think they look better anyway 😂
Haha yeah its pretty dumb that the TRD Pro rims are 7" and the TRD Offroad rims are 7.5". You could still get away with running 285s but I think the wider rims perform better with 285s. So, doable but not as good in my opinion. I think you made the right call.
These are the Matt bronze, correct?
Yep
@@OverlandEngineer thank you, these are so nice! Debating on these or the Icon Compression bronze. I personally prefer the RRW's but at $540CAD a piece it is a bit tough 😮💨
What’s the difference between the rr6-h and rr7h
I think primarily just style
What's the offset?
is the bigger tires consuming more gas?
Definitely. But in comparison to the MPG loss of a lift and roof rack/roof top tent/roof rack cases. It is not that much.
@@OverlandEngineer thank you 👍
How’s the road noise ?
Honestly not bad at all. I would say slightly louder than all terrain tires but everyone I drive is like , wait?! these are mud terrains?!
But that is a very subjective question so what I think is loud may be quiet to you and vice versa.
Mud tires don’t do well in snow. They hydro plain , unless it’s powder snow , meaning un plowed roads. If roads plowed mud tires slide to easy and you will wreck your truck.
Not to nitpick, but the 12.5 refers to the tire width, not the wheel's width. Good video overall though, for sure.
Yeah I have noticed a couple people correct me on this term. I have always called the rubber tires or wheels and the actual rim, rims. I suppose many people use wheels. But yeah, especially in my case, my rims are for sure 8.5" wide and the rubber would be 12.5" in my example. Thanks!
14:15 Wouldn't basic physics disprove that? The more widely you disperse the weight of your vehicle, the less force it will be exerting on any given point of contact. You want to *minimize* the distribution of weight across your tires so that you have *maximum* contact force to the ground, i.e. maximum traction. In other words, thinner tires.
I think its both height and width, but the taller the side wall, the easer that side wall can roll and case the tire to pop off a thin tire. Especially when aired down.
@@OverlandEngineer As always, a matter of priorities. If you're using your Runner as a dedicated off-roader, big, wide tires will get you maximum performance on the rocks. But if you're like most of us, putting 90% (or more) of your miles on pavement daily driving and/or getting to the trail, thinner rims and tires will serve you better. Less unsprung mass and better contact force to the ground. (And from what I've read, losing a bead is much less common these days due to better rim and tire design).
@@lifescansdarkly maybe so, I also wanted mine for larger tires than just 33s
285 refers to sidewall to sidewall width, not tread width.
Beware, 2 different manufacturers make 2 different widths at the same 'size'.
Im buying the same rims or the Icon vector 6 its a toss up for me.
Go RRW, especially the beadlocks are sweet
@@OverlandEngineer They are out of stock
pffft... you want a real challenge, try doing this for a Honda Ridgeline... 5x120 bolt pattern... It's like looking for a plaid unicorn...
I think for normal people the 33 inch tires is the best choice.
It is the best all around probably but its hard to categorize a "normal" 4Runner owner since there are so many configurations that could be ideal
Won't want to know how long you decide to change your underwear :D
Haha what?!
@@OverlandEngineer hahaha just kidding real good video content bro
@@brandongoberdhan7742 Lol, thanks