Craig Mitch is a class act, he articulates well, manages to progress the conversation and is always on topic. His takes are well thought through, this is a man of culture.
@@thinknoodles1248 you haven't gotta be a rapper or producer too like the culture and know about it, he is an interviewer as well, all sorts of people so it makes sense he's got the knowledge
@@kwesibeats1450no one cares about all the other people we just want Kendrick vs Drake, my point is obviously Drake’s reply is better than Like That because it’s 4 minutes long you can’t compare a 40 second verse and a 4 minute verse, Drakes reply is where round one begins
Jay-Z apologised for Super Ugly a day after it came out on Hot 97. Gucci said he felt bad for playing The Truth in his Verzuz with Jeezy. Dr Dre said he felt bad for dissing Eazy E on Dre Day. So Cole is not the first rapper to retract a diss. IMO people are upset because they beleived he'd engage in lyrical warfare but are disapointed because he's not about it. I'm with Chuckie here, I don't understand why he downplays his skillset or looks up to Dot and Drake so much. I'd argue that he's the only one who's been pushing this big 3 out of all of them. To call him a b**** is a bit far, he's still one of the best rappers of his generation and we'll just have to accept that he's not willing to engage in beefs. And that's okay. You just can't take the boasty lyrics about ending MCs seriously 😔
Having a guy help send a 16 bar verse but then have drake change most of the bars apart from 2 bars is no ghost writing , especially when he credits him , Drake writes his rhymes , if you’re gonna trash Drake you need to trash Nas as well because he did the same thing Drake did with the exact same writer
Can't be 1-0 to anyone until Kendrick responds with his own track then it'll be round one complete, 'like that' was the intro track to the beef, it doesn't count or you'd have to start counting other tracks with indirects and that have features like 'control' 😂 it doesn't count if it's track that can easily be ignored or replied through indirects, cause Drake and Cole could've ignored it but Kendrick can't ignore Drake's reply, the only other person you can start counting first round complete on would be Rick Ross cause he responded 😂
No round 1 is done? Kendrick shot on a feature, Cole responded on a track, Drake responded on a track. Drakes track was literally a response… 😂 Round 1 is done in the sense of the jabs, now it’s just Dot v Drake for the proper tracks
This is fucking ridiculous. Y’all made excuses for Drake before he’s even lost. Kendrick will murder him. Drake has this channel, Rory and mal, Ak, all these fanboy CZcamsrs doing his dirty work and controlling the narrative. Embarrassing
Cole is a confused individual tbh… To not just grow up on but also idolise Nas and chase Jay to get signed, be begging for smoke and claiming you’re great all these years to then duck after dropping a light light jab is absolutely ridiculous😤 as a grown man don’t put yourself in situations that don’t align w/ your spirit🤷🏼♀️
I like Mitch alot but his bias shows heavy. The reason people dont pull Kanye up about ghostwriters is because they arent ghosts. Kanye doesnt hide them, Drake has consistently hid his. Secondly noone wants Kanye in this conversation because he is from a different era and honestly has transcended the rapper debates through his artistry
Drake had the writers on the credits he never hid anything you're just uninformed. The tracks were mainstream songs, not lyrical or songs with bars. Co-writers, so they wrote together.
On Mimi’s sibling reference. I would swap Drake and Kendrick then it would be perfect: Drake is youngest child as he’s petty and gets away with dropping tiktok type songs that are cringy like “in my feelings” “nice for what” etc. Kendrick has to be oldest son as he’s conscious and constantly has to prove himself to gain respect. He is held to a HIGHER standard as all older children are. (if Kendrick oldest child released TikTok songs he would get laughed at by peers/industry but youngest child Drake gets away with it)
Why are you acting as if Kendrick doesn't always drop cringy tiktok type songs too. What do you call songs like Humble, LOVE, GOD, Silent Hill or half of his latest album where he's doing these weird ass melody's and awful singing. If anything Kendrick gets away with a lot. Everyone calls Drake corny and a pop artist but Kendrick doesn't get the same energy. If Drake made a song like Silent Hill everyone would be clowning him like they always do and say he's too old to be making music like that but when it's Kendrick no one says anything.
I think drake strategy is wrong. You can’t taunt a man like Kendrick. The man doesn’t speak and works on his own time. The fact Drake was taunting, the longer Kendrick takes the more frustrating Drake gets
Exactly and always watch out for the silent one in the room. His whole career he went against the grain. Kendrick is doubted now but I won’t be surprised if he comes out w/ something we never expected from him
This comment hasn't aged well after Drake just destroyed Kendrick again with Taylor made. Now Kendrick is feeling pressure pressure and Drake definitely has more in the tuck 😅
I forget what that girl’s name is. But her eldest, middle and youngest child analogy is the coldest explanation I’ve ever heard for a comparison of the 3 rappers. She’s so right about all of it. Drake is the eldest child with all the expectations, and held to more unrealistic expectations. Kendrick is the youngest that kinda gets everything easy - everybody loves him. And Drake is jealous of Kendrick for that. But Kendrick is also jealous of Drake because he’s the oldest child that is ultimately the man of the house amongst the children - and that’s the spot Kendrick wants. Hence the tension and fighting.
Craig Mitch will go on about being a music guy and really into this hip hop thing, and talks like he's got lots of great insight but his analysis is surface level and goes off stuff anyone can look up on rap genius or youtube. On one hand he'll talk about people moving like stans and not really listening to the music but then go on and display outrageous stan behaviour himself. Every argument he makes about another rapper that is somewhat objectively constructed, he'll go on and contradict to give Drake a pass. Last episode he was going on about how Drake is number 1 in the world, the best rapper, but now he's not a rapper he's a rap artist? The internet supposedly doesn't like Drake but somehow everything he does is trending, he has armies of stan defending his every move, pushing his album sales, and ignoring every slight or missteps he's made in his career. He can't be both the top dog and the underdog at the same time, that's not how it works. Like the narrative he's trying to spin about this being 20v1 like the whole industry is just jealous of him and hating, as if he wasn't the one who's been moving snaky for years and is just now dealing with the repercussions of his actions. He's a great entertainer, he makes fun music, he can be your favourite artist, he's a whole lot of people's favourite artists, but can we at least not pretend that he's something he's not. He's already plenty good at doing that on his own. When Poet has a more balanced and level headed take about something than you, that's saying a lot.
I once heard, some dons spittin some verses, and their energy was crazy, the lyrics, raw and real, with a unique Identity. What I was listening to, was a grime mc, and they put me onto the rest. I don't give a damn about American artists or all this, Im a G on my own. These man are all my opps and I do not want to be like any of these man here
Craig is a Drake fan boy. There’s NOTHING you can say to him lol Rick Ross has a better track than Drake but watch lol EDIT 30:30 - I was right. Making excuses. Bring poet for these please
To chuckies point Drake reguardless of his upbringing. Understands hiphop/dancehall clash culture....and understands that he should particiapte if he's gonna talk like he's a guy.
I hear Mitch’s point about wordplay and the king line, but it only works if you can’t flip it again. Kendrick can easily flip those lines again. It’s a fire track, but the lines he said are smart and witty, but they can be easily flipped again
Craig was on point with that take on Kanye never gets trashed on for not responding with diss records to other rappers, everyone always piles on Drake where he has to respond otherwise he isnt a real MC, no one gives that energy for Kanye
The biggest counterpoint to that is that Kanye has always been public and vocal about his projects as collaborative efforts where he has a vision and will bring onboard anyone who can help him execute it whether that's a bar, a particular sound, a drum kit. Second, all of Kanye's writers are known and credited, Rhymefest, Consequence, etc. And lastly Kanye himself addressed it pretty early on in his career, the line on Diamonds from Sierra Leone "do he write his own rhymes? Well sort of, I think em, that means I forgot better shit than you ever thought of"
@@fzr1793 Kanye can’t brag about how he “killed Kendrick on No more Parties in LA” but when time comes on when he needs to be battle tested , he hides behind the “I’m only a producer not a rapper” people like you can’t just move the goals posts for him, no one gets to choose the title of rapper when it suits them but then throwaway the rapper title when things get tough
@@azc29103 Kanye is also not to be taken seriously. He considers himself the greatest thing since sliced bread, but people don't look at him as a great lyricist
@@fzr1793 that doesn’t really counteract what I’m saying , if Kanye does something good “he’s amazing “ , if Kanye does something bad “ let’s not take Kanye seriously “ cop out statement , Kanye fans are so irritating
@@azc29103 no self respecting Kanye fan would ever say he's an amazing rapper. Does he make good songs? Yeah. Is his rapping the best part of those songs? Hardly ever. And again, it's been known from the jump that he doesn't write his own lyrics. So it's not a big gotcha point. And if you choose to take someone who says slavery was a choice seriously, then idk what to tell you. He's always craved attention, so of course he would insert himself in a conversation about two other rappers. It doesn't mean everyone else should take what he says seriously.
Let's call it.. The whole reason why Dame started working with Jay was because of how he presented himself. Dame noticed that Jay wore white Air Force 1s and that's how they started working. They were a "swaggy" people....
I am really getting bored of this ghostwriter talk its ridiculous, in these reference tracks, they are all melodic songs, and Drake changes like 80 percent of the bars in the reference tracks so it really doesnt matter, Nas and Big Sean did the same thing as Drake with the same writer "Quentin Miller", but no one ever criticises Nas or Big Sean, everyone saying Drake cant be in a all time list, if you are going by that same argument than Nas or Big Sean cant either, same with Ice Cube, del tha funkee homosapien wrote for Ice Cube, my thing is be objective, either use the same argument for all these rappers i mentioned, or acknowledge that all of these rappers I mentioned write their own raps, which I believe they all write their own
no the reason why we look at drake as less than when it comes to the ghost writers is because Ye has never said that Conscious doesn't write his bars, Ye has always acknowledged that. when it comes to drake, he tried to reason his way out of it.
Chuckie point on if drake loses he’ll still hold him high because of how many people going at him is kinda irrelevant because you said yourself…no one really cares if drake responds to anyone else, all we want is Kendrick vs drake. Drake didn’t need to respond to everyone else, and it wouldn’t have hurt him
Ive never thought Cole ate Benny on Johnny p's caddy, we had all of Coles style from Lupe already, Benny did what the track called for here comes Cole ... lightning, striking, vikings hiking 😂 Smoke and mirrors not saying anything! Benny verse made Cole push his pen but its more cute than anything
Craig Mitch is a class act, he articulates well, manages to progress the conversation and is always on topic. His takes are well thought through, this is a man of culture.
I can see why he is where he is
Sometimes he’s too bias tho
A diet versiom of the culture
@@Rico-ll6xfYep sounds as hurt as Drake does
He’s also a lesbian.
Dude in the black shirt really knows his stuff. Really articulate on his points and very passionate on the topic, love it
Have some respect, his name is Jayson Tatum
Mitch is going crazy!! Speak that hip hop shit my brother! Too many man are giving Cole a crazy pass. What he done is a fuckery.
Right message wrong messenger 😂 Calls Cole a bitch but wouldnt have that energy at kick game with him or anyone for that matter... makes no sense
He is a wannabe jay critch
With all due respect love mimi but she is out of her depth in this convo
Don’t bring her on again for this clash pls
The passion Mitch has for rap is exactly what I needed for this debate!
But who is he? He ain’t a artist or producer but you take his world like gold 😂😂 weak
@@thinknoodles1248 you haven't gotta be a rapper or producer too like the culture and know about it, he is an interviewer as well, all sorts of people so it makes sense he's got the knowledge
Mitch was the energy I needed in the last podcast episode. Man came full guns blazing & I loved every second of it.
Craig is jokes 🤣 Cole, cut your locs off 🤣
Lol. Craig is so funny. 😂😂
This is over Mimis head no offence!
Yeahhh she looks uncomfortable to speak 😅
No fr . She was very irritating 😭
Adlibs lol
Big tits& vibes
Happy he brought Craig back for this
Comparing a 40 second verse to a 3/4 minute song isn’t fair, Drake went in this is exactly what rap fans wanted can’t wait for the response
Yep drakes record was the first track of the clash
I hear that but an arguement can be made that three people at the time we’re going at him, now Ross. Drake is gonna have to keep writing
@@kwesibeats1450no one cares about all the other people we just want Kendrick vs Drake, my point is obviously Drake’s reply is better than Like That because it’s 4 minutes long you can’t compare a 40 second verse and a 4 minute verse, Drakes reply is where round one begins
Tbf Drake probably only had about 16 to 24 bars directed and Kendrick. Wasn't the whole song.
@@mrruntrack8474 still counts
Jay-Z apologised for Super Ugly a day after it came out on Hot 97. Gucci said he felt bad for playing The Truth in his Verzuz with Jeezy. Dr Dre said he felt bad for dissing Eazy E on Dre Day. So Cole is not the first rapper to retract a diss. IMO people are upset because they beleived he'd engage in lyrical warfare but are disapointed because he's not about it. I'm with Chuckie here, I don't understand why he downplays his skillset or looks up to Dot and Drake so much. I'd argue that he's the only one who's been pushing this big 3 out of all of them.
To call him a b**** is a bit far, he's still one of the best rappers of his generation and we'll just have to accept that he's not willing to engage in beefs. And that's okay. You just can't take the boasty lyrics about ending MCs seriously 😔
I rate Cole more for the apology, at least he isn't on some fugazi shit
Very well said
Talk your talk Mitch 💯. This was a good one!
Drake having a ghost writer takes him out of the GOAT debate unless you're considering him a artist and not a rapper.. like Kanye etc
Mickey factz is helping him write ✍🏽 behind the scenes
💯💯💯
Having a guy help send a 16 bar verse but then have drake change most of the bars apart from 2 bars is no ghost writing , especially when he credits him , Drake writes his rhymes , if you’re gonna trash Drake you need to trash Nas as well because he did the same thing Drake did with the exact same writer
@@azc29103 don’t ever compare drake to Nas please
Quiten Miller was credited for his collaborations the ghost writter thing is a myth
Yasssss been waiting for this
i like mitch make sure that hes on every pod to do with the beef
Can't be 1-0 to anyone until Kendrick responds with his own track then it'll be round one complete, 'like that' was the intro track to the beef, it doesn't count or you'd have to start counting other tracks with indirects and that have features like 'control' 😂 it doesn't count if it's track that can easily be ignored or replied through indirects, cause Drake and Cole could've ignored it but Kendrick can't ignore Drake's reply, the only other person you can start counting first round complete on would be Rick Ross cause he responded 😂
Exactly! I swear you see whose really about this music in coversations like this,
Round one is when Kendrick drops then we transition to the next round!
No round 1 is done? Kendrick shot on a feature, Cole responded on a track, Drake responded on a track. Drakes track was literally a response… 😂 Round 1 is done in the sense of the jabs, now it’s just Dot v Drake for the proper tracks
@@martaparente please go back and do some research before you speak on a culture you don’t understand
@@martaparente I like your cute take btw you’re Good looking 👀…KDOTs got this don’t worry 😉
*Been waiting for this...*
Drake glazeing going crazy
This is fucking ridiculous. Y’all made excuses for Drake before he’s even lost. Kendrick will murder him. Drake has this channel, Rory and mal, Ak, all these fanboy CZcamsrs doing his dirty work and controlling the narrative. Embarrassing
Or maybe you can't understand that people can have differing opinions to you.
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Chill out bro, didn't know drake hit up you gyal too xD
*wierd kendric noises
You do realise drake has dropped, and is war tested. Don’t speak about Kendrick till he drops
Love the energy, showing love from Ohio
Cole is a confused individual tbh… To not just grow up on but also idolise Nas and chase Jay to get signed, be begging for smoke and claiming you’re great all these years to then duck after dropping a light light jab is absolutely ridiculous😤 as a grown man don’t put yourself in situations that don’t align w/ your spirit🤷🏼♀️
Cole should start doing up reggae, leave the rap game alone🫤
😂
“ I need a Taylor made ting” 01:34:44. Chuckie 👀👀
I like Mitch alot but his bias shows heavy. The reason people dont pull Kanye up about ghostwriters is because they arent ghosts. Kanye doesnt hide them, Drake has consistently hid his.
Secondly noone wants Kanye in this conversation because he is from a different era and honestly has transcended the rapper debates through his artistry
Drake had the writers on the credits he never hid anything you're just uninformed. The tracks were mainstream songs, not lyrical or songs with bars. Co-writers, so they wrote together.
I'm with Mitch here. Push ups is a response to Like that. Round 1 Done
On Mimi’s sibling reference. I would swap Drake and Kendrick then it would be perfect:
Drake is youngest child as he’s petty and gets away with dropping tiktok type songs that are cringy like “in my feelings” “nice for what” etc.
Kendrick has to be oldest son as he’s conscious and constantly has to prove himself to gain respect. He is held to a HIGHER standard as all older children are.
(if Kendrick oldest child released TikTok songs he would get laughed at by peers/industry but youngest child Drake gets away with it)
Why are you acting as if Kendrick doesn't always drop cringy tiktok type songs too. What do you call songs like Humble, LOVE, GOD, Silent Hill or half of his latest album where he's doing these weird ass melody's and awful singing. If anything Kendrick gets away with a lot. Everyone calls Drake corny and a pop artist but Kendrick doesn't get the same energy. If Drake made a song like Silent Hill everyone would be clowning him like they always do and say he's too old to be making music like that but when it's Kendrick no one says anything.
Big shout Chucks getting man like OVO Mitch again & running it back to back with the drops #SayLess♨️☕
Craig and Chuckie with music discussions never disappoint!
Yeah Mitch stood on business. He's right about Kanye too.
20:51 moving like Poet 🤣
Lol. I see it too
Craig “it’s all over my face” pause
😅
I have never seen Chuckie loose arguments this one sided. Credit to Mitch you smashed your points to bits 👏🏾
All love.
Mimi came out with the guns out😂😂 respectfully she looks even more beautiful everytime I c her !
Let's remember who's diss is still billboard number 1. U know that's bunnin' Drake
Means nothing. U stans buying it is irrelevant to the battle.
If Drake dropped his diss record officially it would go number 1 too.
@@MR12AMAZINGwhy didn’t he drop it hmmm😂
@@KamiElectricaljust dropped brother hmmm 😂
We gotta see HCPod with rory and mal 🔥🔥 I love this
Here for Craig Mitch 👏🏾 big him up he knows his stuff
I think drake strategy is wrong. You can’t taunt a man like Kendrick. The man doesn’t speak and works on his own time. The fact Drake was taunting, the longer Kendrick takes the more frustrating Drake gets
Exactly and always watch out for the silent one in the room. His whole career he went against the grain. Kendrick is doubted now but I won’t be surprised if he comes out w/ something we never expected from him
This comment hasn't aged well after Drake just destroyed Kendrick again with Taylor made. Now Kendrick is feeling pressure pressure and Drake definitely has more in the tuck 😅
Bin waiting for dis1.
Craig is so talented. He needs a major tv platform talking hip hop both in the UK & US. So soooooo good at this.
Craig's face of disappointment everytime Mimi says something though 😂 she shouldn't come again for one of these discussions
JUMPED ON THIS STRAIGHT AWAY
Thank God poet was not on this episode 😅
Drake on his chip pepper riddim vibe. I’m here for it
I forget what that girl’s name is. But her eldest, middle and youngest child analogy is the coldest explanation I’ve ever heard for a comparison of the 3 rappers. She’s so right about all of it.
Drake is the eldest child with all the expectations, and held to more unrealistic expectations. Kendrick is the youngest that kinda gets everything easy - everybody loves him. And Drake is jealous of Kendrick for that. But Kendrick is also jealous of Drake because he’s the oldest child that is ultimately the man of the house amongst the children - and that’s the spot Kendrick wants. Hence the tension and fighting.
kendrick ain’t even outside 😂😂 i think he’s grounded
No filter Mitch 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Craig Mitch will go on about being a music guy and really into this hip hop thing, and talks like he's got lots of great insight but his analysis is surface level and goes off stuff anyone can look up on rap genius or youtube. On one hand he'll talk about people moving like stans and not really listening to the music but then go on and display outrageous stan behaviour himself. Every argument he makes about another rapper that is somewhat objectively constructed, he'll go on and contradict to give Drake a pass. Last episode he was going on about how Drake is number 1 in the world, the best rapper, but now he's not a rapper he's a rap artist? The internet supposedly doesn't like Drake but somehow everything he does is trending, he has armies of stan defending his every move, pushing his album sales, and ignoring every slight or missteps he's made in his career. He can't be both the top dog and the underdog at the same time, that's not how it works. Like the narrative he's trying to spin about this being 20v1 like the whole industry is just jealous of him and hating, as if he wasn't the one who's been moving snaky for years and is just now dealing with the repercussions of his actions.
He's a great entertainer, he makes fun music, he can be your favourite artist, he's a whole lot of people's favourite artists, but can we at least not pretend that he's something he's not. He's already plenty good at doing that on his own. When Poet has a more balanced and level headed take about something than you, that's saying a lot.
I once heard, some dons spittin some verses, and their energy was crazy, the lyrics, raw and real, with a unique Identity. What I was listening to, was a grime mc, and they put me onto the rest. I don't give a damn about American artists or all this, Im a G on my own. These man are all my opps and I do not want to be like any of these man here
Craig stop it... you can't say Drake does not get points deducted for ghostwriting. Be consistent. Other than that you were spot on in the episode
It’s painful to listen to the girl! No knowledge of rappers. Watch the throne Kanye verses were much better then jay z.
Craig is a Drake fan boy. There’s NOTHING you can say to him lol
Rick Ross has a better track than Drake but watch lol
EDIT
30:30 - I was right. Making excuses. Bring poet for these please
Rick Ross has a better what??? Lmao what are snorting 😂😂😂
Drake really went all out and direct which the fans and rap listeners want, no more subliminals
Kanye is respected more then Drake from all the Peers . That's what it boils down to in my opinion. Time stamp 34:48
How are you comparing a full diss to a verse? Bruh👋🏿👋🏿👋🏿
Is Mitch in the building yeah
To chuckies point Drake reguardless of his upbringing. Understands hiphop/dancehall clash culture....and understands that he should particiapte if he's gonna talk like he's a guy.
I hear Mitch’s point about wordplay and the king line, but it only works if you can’t flip it again. Kendrick can easily flip those lines again. It’s a fire track, but the lines he said are smart and witty, but they can be easily flipped again
Mimi come mess up my concentration 🤩🤩🤷🏾♂🤣😂
Literally. She looks uncomfortable 😅
Mimi said CAP with her WWWWHHHHHHOOOOOLLLLLLEEEEEE chest!!!! 😂
I like Mimi but sometimes she doesn’t articulate her point well and interrupts too much. She shouldn’t have been in this episode.
She's very opinionated and says things with her chest 😏
You man all been replaying drakes diss song let’s not lie here get to the conversation
Bbl drizzy bias pending
Mj with the nose job 😂
Kendrick fans hold that L 😂
@@user-mz3ni8yu4v the only L is you supporting an artist who wore black face, flirts with teenage girls and doesn’t write his songs.
The only guest I want to hear speak on this
49:48 Mitch KILLS ME!
Whole song vs 1 verse? Hmmm
Like that was a response to first person shooter. Now is the next round
Who nose 👃 i mean who knows 😂😂
8:43 has chuckie not heard of JID, Omen, Lute, or Cozz?
36:47 If you *listened* that's not cap. It's my first thought everytime someone says "Kanye can't rap" or was never a "rapper"
The typo in the title is killing me
Saying 1-0 Drake not even worth listening to
Cole is best when there's no pressure. E.g. the song "London" where nobody was expecting a verse of the year candidate.
Can’t lie I sighed as soon as the girl walked in, leave Mitch and Chuckie to look at it critically not the nonsense you came with kmt
You guys will soon realise how COLD Chip, Chippy, Chipmunk really is!
yeh she don’t understand hip hop beef at all, clueless
Drakes been having time in lieu.. why did this make me laugh 😆
48:11 wym by that Chuckie? 🤔 😂 he said it twice. 🚩
31:00 "RICO" was a monster verse because of his execution. That leak phucked me can't lie.
Craig was on point with that take on Kanye never gets trashed on for not responding with diss records to other rappers, everyone always piles on Drake where he has to respond otherwise he isnt a real MC, no one gives that energy for Kanye
The biggest counterpoint to that is that Kanye has always been public and vocal about his projects as collaborative efforts where he has a vision and will bring onboard anyone who can help him execute it whether that's a bar, a particular sound, a drum kit. Second, all of Kanye's writers are known and credited, Rhymefest, Consequence, etc. And lastly Kanye himself addressed it pretty early on in his career, the line on Diamonds from Sierra Leone "do he write his own rhymes? Well sort of, I think em, that means I forgot better shit than you ever thought of"
@@fzr1793 Kanye can’t brag about how he “killed Kendrick on No more Parties in LA” but when time comes on when he needs to be battle tested , he hides behind the “I’m only a producer not a rapper” people like you can’t just move the goals posts for him, no one gets to choose the title of rapper when it suits them but then throwaway the rapper title when things get tough
@@azc29103 Kanye is also not to be taken seriously. He considers himself the greatest thing since sliced bread, but people don't look at him as a great lyricist
@@fzr1793 that doesn’t really counteract what I’m saying , if Kanye does something good “he’s amazing “ , if Kanye does something bad “ let’s not take Kanye seriously “ cop out statement , Kanye fans are so irritating
@@azc29103 no self respecting Kanye fan would ever say he's an amazing rapper. Does he make good songs? Yeah. Is his rapping the best part of those songs? Hardly ever. And again, it's been known from the jump that he doesn't write his own lyrics. So it's not a big gotcha point. And if you choose to take someone who says slavery was a choice seriously, then idk what to tell you. He's always craved attention, so of course he would insert himself in a conversation about two other rappers. It doesn't mean everyone else should take what he says seriously.
Let's call it.. The whole reason why Dame started working with Jay was because of how he presented himself. Dame noticed that Jay wore white Air Force 1s and that's how they started working. They were a "swaggy" people....
Ion even behave like this but Jaaaaaahhh!!! RASTAFARIIIII!!! Mimi came to be seen 🥲
I feel you, makes it hard to keep up with the conversation😂.
10:06 ooo mitch being passionate and aggressive is sexy ooookkk nowwww
Ngl - the Cole/Drake 'diss' tracks are the trailers BEFORE the movie.
Like that was the hype promo. Drake’s track started round 1
Cole messed up. He shoulda let Drake respond first...
You won't catch me saying "no diddy" everyone else would say keep my name out of your mouth but diddy be saying "keep me in your mouth"
Nah man, Mimi is actually something else😍.
She’s clapped bro
🤣 alllow it man
linebacker?
I am really getting bored of this ghostwriter talk its ridiculous, in these reference tracks, they are all melodic songs, and Drake changes like 80 percent of the bars in the reference tracks so it really doesnt matter, Nas and Big Sean did the same thing as Drake with the same writer "Quentin Miller", but no one ever criticises Nas or Big Sean, everyone saying Drake cant be in a all time list, if you are going by that same argument than Nas or Big Sean cant either, same with Ice Cube, del tha funkee homosapien wrote for Ice Cube, my thing is be objective, either use the same argument for all these rappers i mentioned, or acknowledge that all of these rappers I mentioned write their own raps, which I believe they all write their own
Mimi got some OF page or something...
25:48 🤣🤣🤣🤣
17:00 Kendrick made you think about it but he is not your saviour 🎵
Drake and Kendrick are not Cole’s idols Chuckie stretched it
no the reason why we look at drake as less than when it comes to the ghost writers is because Ye has never said that Conscious doesn't write his bars, Ye has always acknowledged that. when it comes to drake, he tried to reason his way out of it.
Chuckie point on if drake loses he’ll still hold him high because of how many people going at him is kinda irrelevant because you said yourself…no one really cares if drake responds to anyone else, all we want is Kendrick vs drake. Drake didn’t need to respond to everyone else, and it wouldn’t have hurt him
Drop and give em fiftyyyyyyy
I used to ride for cole man I still can’t believe it I gotta be dreaming 😢🤬
OVO Mitch was on FORM on this pod😂
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Ive never thought Cole ate Benny on Johnny p's caddy, we had all of Coles style from Lupe already, Benny did what the track called for here comes Cole ... lightning, striking, vikings hiking 😂 Smoke and mirrors not saying anything! Benny verse made Cole push his pen but its more cute than anything
There's a lot of pressure on Kendrick for his diss to be great. Because if it's not, Drake can finish this with one more diss.
Mitch is soooo correct