"MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY" UAL 328 B-777 200 20FEB 2021
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My wife told me about this and after the initial facts I said, "I'm going to wait for Juan Brown's report because I know he's going to have it right." Thank you for doing this, you always deliver educated and objective insights that FAR exceed any other news outlet I know of.
Exactly the same here, wife told me, I said Blancolirio will have a report soon with facts.
I've been waiting for Mentour Pilot's take on it, but Juan's is as detailed and insightful as ever.
@@aaronandannelogan I like Mentour Pilot as well too, him and Juan have a lot of respect for one another. It's that fact that Juan is a 777 pilot that makes him very qualified to speak on this one, plus I love his "just the facts" take on everything he does. Funny enough, Juan's resemblance to Jack Webb is pretty uncanny!
@@aaronandannelogan Captain Joe had an excellent presentation on this flight.
No crash, no injuries on aircraft or on the ground. Pilots went through the checklist procedures and safely returned and landed the aircraft. 👍🏻
Where did you get this information?
@@stefanfrankel8157 Not luck but skilled pilots accurately performing their well learned duties in an emergency.
@@peterferrydriver He means it’s just luck that the engine parts that fell off and hit houses and cars, did not kill anyone. There’s nothing the pilots could do about where the engine parts landed when the engine failed.
@@ThatOtherTom See AVHerald for more falling parts ,same day, Longtail B744 at Maastrich Netherlands, Chilling photo of bar embedded in auto.
@@ThatOtherTom Roger.
I’m a simple man with few desires.
In the top five: to never be on an flight that merits a Blancolirio or VASAviation video.
Well put, MacMedic
Or at least to be on one marked as "Funny" on VAS
I’ll second this.
Unless Juan is driving
I envision that intro/outro of Juan's coming over the PA system and then I'll know we're in one of his videos.....
The only engine explosion I’ve had was on take off from JNB in 2002, in a 340, and it was contained.
Also: it was a night take off: hard to see anything outside.
I am a flight attendant, that day positionned in 3R ( right by the troublesome engine) and here are the main points of the report I was made to write:
-My experience was that of a silenced bang, quickly followed by a deceleration, not linear, rather bumpy, alongside a strong smell of burnt rubber, this lasted maybe ten to twenty seconds before the aircraft came to a full stop.
I therefore concluded it was a burst tire and we had come out of the runway.
- the Airbus door windows were too small and did not allow me to have an understanding of what was happening; the field of vision was too narrow and distances were hard to estimate, there were no visible flames if you watched from here, it was a passenger that informed me of the flames coming out.
Had I been given the order to evacuate, I would have opened this door thinking it was safe outside.
Airbus did change things and on newer versions the door windows are larger, with a prism device allowing for the crew to see what is going on right by the door, not 5m away, good on them.
There was communication from the cockpit and the chief purser, I’d say a couple of minutes after the incident, informing the cabin that we were safe and returning to the terminal, by the aircraft’s own means.
All in all: not so frightening.
Anecdotes:
- That passengers who never let down his journal and kept reading it (I saw him calmly turning the pages!) through the event;
-That one asking me what we’d do now, a dozen minutes later, and me, calming down and intent on doing a stress relieving joke, very stupidly answering: “dunno...what about table tennis?”
-The return to the hotel, with no one expecting us, and their absolutely delightful decision to give us the bar keys and no supervision for a couple of hours, “on the house”.
-Those South African firemen, staying at the hotel with us, invited to join us, accepting the invitation, and contributing to a most memorable evening.
-In the following weeks: the internal procedure: debriefs, meetings with psychologists and so on.
Hope this little memory interested some readers.
Thanks Jet!
Cable/satellite news outlets are no longer the "go to assets" in the event aviation related news takes place, imho, it's straight to VASAviation and blancolirio, for an informed and knowledgeable opinion. Great job Juan, Victor, and everyone at the Avherald, but most of all, the UAL - 328 flight deck and cabin crew, and everyone at KDEN.
Agree but also mainstream media is not the go to source for any news.
Looks like KDEN has a great engineer. Good job.
Same for space related news, mainstream media will reliably never get it right enough to tell you the whole story.
One thing that's amazing about aviation is that when you declare an emergency everything else comes to a halt, there could be 50 planes on approach, they all get scattered to make room for you.
Way to go, Juan. We always get the straight up data from you without any of the broadcast news drama. And you’re quick to hand out some kudos to the pilots when they deserve them for a job well done. Thank you for all your hard work for all of us.
It always amazes me how calm the flight crew remains, even during a hair-on-fire incident (engine-on-fire, acutally!). This little insight into how the crews train for such times is quite reassuring, Juan should be a paid PR representative for the entire airline industry.
They certainly were Calm. They had to repeat mayday several times to ATC, as if there was a lack of attention in the tower. I’m not sure that was the situation maybe they were really busy, but I was surprised about that. I mean no way am I waiting for ATC to tell me to turn around. Seems like they had to wait for 30 seconds or more for instructions to turn around. I understand that deviation from course risks interference with other flights, but I think announcing on the radio to everyone to be where we are turning around here’s where we are get out of the way. Not even 30 seconds delay is acceptable to wait for ATC. Automation is coming soon to eliminate these human delays. That will be a great leap forward. Automated ATC and no more pilots, even though these guys did a good job, the pilot I mean.
@@steveperreira5850 Automated ATC and no more pilots??? Sorry, but nothing could be more absurd. I mean no disrespect to you personally. There is no replacement for human interaction. Any automated system is only as good as the individual(s) who designed and/or created it. Yes, there is human error, but there is also system error and failure. So instead of dealing with one possible error, you could be trying to figure out the original issue as well as the problem with the system. You had mentioned not waiting for instructions prior to turning around. That alone is a massive mistake. You could be turning into the path of another aircraft, or creating additional problems for ATC. The odds of an American being killed in a plane crash is roughly 1 in 11 million. The odds of an American being killed in an auto accident are about 1 in 5,000. That being said, the U.S. is doing very well with humans working ATC and as pilots. I can assure you that if we were to automate ATC as well as replacing human pilots with computers, the airlines would go bankrupt in no time flat. Anyone who knew something about aviation (ATC, ex-pilots, aircraft mechanics, meteorologists, administrative personnel, consultants, etc.) would NEVER set foot on an airplane again. The human element is imperative for safe operation of any aviation operation.
Thank you for being authentic in your videos. i could feel and see the emotion in you as you congratulated the crew and ATC on doing it correctly. so much better to report this than another sad crash....
Great job Juan. Hat tip to the top professional UA crew and their handling of this emergency. I think this kind of engine failure is all but unprecedented on the 777.
I’ve been avoiding news and I feel satisfactorily informed hearing about the incident from an experienced pilot, and not some mainstream corporate news dramatist, thanks for delivering the scoop!
I live right by Broomfield (just west) and may people heard the explosion so avoiding the news was not an option! I was in my car so I totally missed it.
Thanks Juan from a proud UA employee in EWR. I am a big fan of yours!
I have flown in and out of EWR from Berlin Germany on United many times. Thanks to you and your coworkers for making it a good experience. The Polaris lounge at EWR makes any layover pleasant as well.
So how's things going up in Newark? All quiet down here in Long Branch...
This was about 2 miles from my house. This is crazy. I feel for the people that received damage. Juan This was a fantastic video.
"It's snowing Boeing!"
@@toomanyuserids Now that lol
I'm over east of 25, but I see the 777s and such on westbound departures all the time. Didn't see this particular one but wow. Really glad nobody on the ground was hurt--seems like sheer luck to me.
Small World
@@toomanyuserids You win the internet today.
This is a perfect example of a routine emergency. Procedures and redundancies worked, and as a result, no one was hurt.
Agree 100%. A big deal is a fire that can't be extinguished.
"A routine emergency'. Not sure those exist.
@@TheJazsa80 One that is trained for a lot, in the expectation that, in the once in a lifetime that a pilot ever experiences it, he will do the procedures, and be there to explain what he did afterwards, to improve things as well for all others.
Juan, I suppose you might be a little nervous knowing you fly these planes. Hopefully this is just a one-off scenario.
@@biketothetop Do not think he is worried at all, as he has the training to cope with it, and it is tested in a simulator regularly, so that it becomes a muscle memory item, plus a handy checklist to handle all the details as well. He probably worries more about having drunk passengers, weather conditions and missed connections than the aircraft failing.
Why the psychological barrier to calling an emergency??
When I was a teen I was yacht racing off the shore of San Francisco while the boat owner had a medical emergency. I instantly got on the radio and said, “mayday mayday mayday we have a medical emergency.” I then gave some dead reckoning details of our position (it was before gps was available) and a description of the boat.
Everyone on the boat was telling me that “mayday” is for when the boat is sinking. After he was airlifted to the hospital by Coast Guard they send a ship out to follow up. While an officer was on our boat I asked him if what the other crew were saying is true. I remember the puzzled look on his face he said loudly to everyone, “this guy got on the radio and gave us detailed and precise information about the nature of the problem and where to find you. The helicopter pilot used that information to pick a compass heading and he flew directly to you. This was a success. Mayday is the word you use to get our complete attention because you need help NOW.”
This psychological barrier always make me think of Avianca crash on Long Island. All they had to say is “we have a fuel emergency, mayday” ... on CVR the crew knew they were in serious trouble but they never said mayday to ATC.
Any reason why there is such a barrier to calling an emergency?
This is has been fairly well drilled into my head during my private pilot training. If you, the pilot in command, need or want outside help and the full attention of ATC, call the emergency. Some may fear unwanted FAA attention afterward, but we're told that shouldn't happen. Calling an emergency is a bell that can be unrung if the situation is resolved.
Once when I was doing pattern work and touch & go's on a 7200' long runway, about 4000' longer than my little 150 really needs, the tower asked me if I can turn early to make a quick landing for spacing with other incoming traffic. I replied that I could do an engine out landing and turn immediately. Since I didn't say "simulated engine out" the tower very calmly asked if I wanted to declare an emergency. That one moment really taught me that declaring an emergency isn't something to fear. I'm sure the controller knew I was simulating the engine out - I'd been doing touch & goes on his runways for almost an hour - he knew I was a solo student and I think he used that opportunity to drive that point home.
@@tomcoulter6121 , Tom, my son has a 172 he rebuilt 5 years ago. He's been flying since he was 16, now 44. He flew out to Marana Az from Guntersville Alabama. He had been calling me and his dad and uncle along the way to keep us posted how he was doing. At one point no one heard from him, during his fuel stops he would call. 5 or 6 in all. As his mom, I wasn't willing to wait just to see and wonder , as some were saying no news is good news,so I called the FAA. My son was more worried about if the FAA was going to give him a hard time, but the FAA guy's I spoke to were absolutely fantastic. They assured me first off not to worry and started right away getting his phone number and last fuel stop. Within a long 20-30 minutes, they called and said everything was fine, he was just a bit tired and he called me back. The FAA said sometimes they just loose tract of time or the pilot knows where they are and not worried but the family doesn't know where the pilot is ,and is worried. So they told me there are no worries for him, he won't get any bad marks and the FAA said these kinds of stories are common but not all the time. His uncle on the other hand told me later that night, my son called him and asked him what he would do because he had only 10-15 gallon's of fuel left and should he fly on to next uncontrolled airport to get fuel. His uncle said "land the plane or he would remove the engion,remove the wings,remove the tires, and remove his seat"! His uncle had also been flying since he was 16, now almost 70 and is a machanic for airplanes, privately, not commercial. It's the "get there it is" can get you killed for some private pilots who start to question what they have been taught instead of doing exactly what they have been taught.
That’s a very good question. To many worry about what happens if they actually say the words mayday or I declare an emergency. This is coming from someone who has said “I declare an emergency” the paperwork took less than 2 hrs. That included the 30 mins to get my nerves to settle down plus make a call to tower to find out exactly what time I set the bells off. They could also be worried about being grounded. I was flying again the next day. But even if the paperwork or having the FAA say your on the ground for a little bit of time is worth it. I would rather land and get home to my daughter than be worried about some paperwork.
AA Mech here. This one is hard to figure. Inlet on ground. Fan Cowls on ground. T/R trans sleeve looks burned through on video. Fire suppression useless after cowl departure. Fire on video shows cascade veins of T/R burning. Looks like eng already shut down per QRH. Fire dissipating other than flammable byproducts but they seem to be petering out. Regardless. Kudos to Flight crew and all on board.
John, you are correct about the fire suppression requiring the cowls to work. I worked for Boeing for 43 years and know the 777 airplanes. When the fire suppression handles were pulled it should have shut off the fuel at the pylon. That alone should have stopped the fire. For some reason the fuel did not shut off.
Core cowl still there, fire external to area protected by fire extinguisher.
@@jimpalmer1969 yeah but is fuel burning or oil?
@@jimpalmer1969 Could this be oil, rather than fuel, which is burning?
@@jimpalmer1969 There's at least 5 gallons of fuel still in the MEC and fuel line even though the T-handle was pulled. That'll burn for a while.
For Mr. Juan and Victor to post a video this quickly is absolutely amazing!
These guys are INCREDIBLE!!!! They have parts missing, engine on fire, overweight, and aside from a bit of excitement in their voices right there at first they are cool, calm, and probably just shot the best approach to landing of their lives.
Look... I know you folks train like hell for stuff like this, but still... absolutely incredible job.
How did you arrive at overweight ?
@@1STGeneral generally on these longer flights the aircraft takes off with more weight then they are supposed to land with because of fuel. The Fuel would normally be burned in flight bringing the aircraft's weight down under its landing weight.
@@1STGeneral Agreed, probably heavy, but certainly not overweight. The 777-200 can go 0ver 5000 miles with 300 passengers, Honolulu is only about 3400 miles and this aircraft had 241 on board. So loaded, but nowhere near max gross.
@@1STGeneral < probably landing weight!
I live about six blocks from the debris. Was finishing lunch and we heard a loud boom and then a rumble. I thought it was a military jet breaking the sound barrier. So glad everyone on the ground was safe and that they were able to land safely! Thanks Juan!
Can we please also appreciate the great work by ATC? That was well done.
Juan Brown, I appreciate the way you were describing what the crew was going through your scribing as if you in the Cockpit with them Great Job Sir...
That was quick Juan! I had three engine shutdowns in a 34 year career- one was bird damage on takeoff (737), the two others (767 and 747) were different technical issues with no physical damage.
Thanks.
Dear future system: i’m curious about a couple of things as an amateur single engine VFR pilot.
Looking at the video the engine is on fire and it is shaking badly, as if it could tear off, which would be a really bad situation.
Are the pilots aware of the fire and the severe Vibration? Can They actually see it without leaving the cockpit? If not this is a severe design error, the engineers should install video cameras to see the engines while in flight. That’s my comment. It would be so simple to do this.
If the vibration is bad do the pilots in the checklist attempt to change the airspeed, likely reduce airspeed, to see if the vibration decreases, and also to see what effect it has on the fire. To me it seems a severe limitation if you cannot actually see the engine.
To me it seems like the situation could get worse at any second, the fire could get worse, vibration could get worse, or both, leading to a catastrophic failure such as the wing falling off, or the engine tearing off and damaging the flight controls on the wing.
In this situation, it seems to be that you would want to get the plane on the ground immediately, as soon as possible anywhere you can land. I understand there are emergency services available at the airport and that is probably the ideal place to be. But why not land downwind, it was only a nine knot Wind condition, I think that is the worst downwind situation they had, but, regardless, getting the aircraft on the ground, every second counts when you have a fire and severe vibration. Why not take runway 080, the closest?
I’ve seen a number of these aircraft incidents where there is a fire and instead of getting on the ground right away, even using a road or a field, there is an attempt to get back to an airport and catastrophic failure occurs first. Obviously there are tough calls to make here because the airport has the emergency services available. But an engine fire that cannot be extinguished is a severe hazard.
Maybe I should look up the checklist for an engine fire on a twin jet engine aircraft. Is it different if there is a fire rather than just an engine failure? Like you say, an engine failure is not that big a deal if there are not parts flying all over the place, and no fire.
@@steveperreira5850
Lots to unpack... Vibration is due to some imbalance within the engine, either in the core or if a blade was lost. Yes, it can be felt as the entire airframe is buffeting a bit. There's an indication if the fire is within the scope of the sensor but I suppose it's possible a fire could be in the pylon or somewhere and not be sensed or within capabilities of the suppression system. Other fire detectors are in the cargo areas, wheel well, lavatories and APU. The amount of vibration in the video doesn't appear to be enough to tear the engine off the wing but I'll leave that answer to the engineers. We were told that the pylon is designed such that if it fails, it releases above the wing, not below, to protect the fuel tanks (and hopefully not hitting the stabilizer) by a Boeing engineer one time during a Q & A. Perhaps someone can give you a valid answer. Most 2 engine Boeings have the ability to see the engines from the cockpit, but not each model depending on the fuselage length. So if there's a question about what is going on, a flt attdnt might be asked to report what they see or the Skipper might send the co-pilot or, on long range flts where there are relief pilots, one of them might go back and inspect. No one answer here and it's up to the crew to decide what additional info they might want. I believe the A-380 has a camera on the tail but that is not the case on the B777-200, at least at my airline. Future jets may have this feature but that's a guess. Everything has a "cost-benefit analysis" and this is especially true on airliners. The last people asked, if at all, are the pilots!
As far as airspeed, there is no one choice for your question. It's been reported that crews have done a "high dive" to put the fire out if the suppression system fails but reducing speed would likely be the first choice to minimize the vibration. There are separate checklists for an "Engine Fire" or "Engine Shutdown/Severe Damage or Compressor Stall" that direct the crew, in the exact sequence of steps, to secure the engine or perhaps restart it if certain parameters are met (such as a flameout). All are practiced during initial training and recurrent. Once you've shot the bottle into an engine, attempting a restart would be highly unlikely, if even possible, and I've never heard of that happening.
From the B-777 checklist for severe engine damage:
If high airframe vibration occurs:
Airspeed and/or altitude..................................................Reduce
Vibration may be reduced by decreasing airspeed and/or altitude. If
vibration continues or returns and further airspeed reduction and
descent is not practical, increasing airspeed may reduce the vibration.
Note: Although airframe vibration may seem severe, it is unlikely the
vibration will damage the airplane or critical systems.
Rwy selection is up to the crew but is viewed against the landing weight and thus the approach speed that weight requires as well as rwy length available, so your question is a good one. Rwy 7/25 and 8/26 at DIA are both 12K long and 34L/16R is 16K long. They chose 26 and did a fine job. I flew most of my career out of Denver at both Stapleton and DIA and this airport is a pilot's dream. Long, widely spaced rwys, few obstacles in departure clearway, triple simultaneous ILS approach capabilities, LLWS (windshear alert system) and that's the short list.
I guarantee you if the crew felt the situation was out of hand they would've landed downwind and taken the risk of rolling off the end. The tower reported winds were north at 9, so it would've been basically a direct X-wind to either of the east west rwys. The got vectored away from the terrain, ran the checklist for the engine fire, single engine approach and perhaps dumping fuel, checked single engine landing performance in the event of a go-around, rwy landing limit for their expected weight, altitude and temp, notified the cabin crew of the situation and other info they need in the event of an evacuation in order to prepare the cabin, setup the for the ILS 26 approach and landed. Busy much? You bet !
The B-777 has the best brakes of any Boeing jet I flew which includes the 727, 737, 747-400, 757 and 767. Hands down amazing brakes, as Juan would likely attest. But the plane was carrying an enormous amount of fuel for the 7 hr flight plus contingency fuel for ETOPS to Hawaii ( a whole different discussion) so dumping to max landing isn't always an option if time is critical. As you heard, it takes time to run the Electronic Check List (ECL) so landing heavy with a tailwind may not be the best choice. The 777 has a very well designed fuel jettison system that allows crew to set the landing weight desired and the fuel system will dump fuel to that weight, does so automatically and shuts itself off when it reaches that weight, again, all directed by the checklist(s). I didn't hear any request or report to ATC of fuel dumping (this is a req'd call to ATC) so they likely landed overweight to get on the ground as soon as they were ready for the approach.
It appears the fire was in the hot section/reverser area and I'll let the others here argue about the threat it posed. A mechanic may have a different perspective than the crew but that's the beauty of hindsight. There are two bottles that can be shot into the engine, if required. The drill in a jet is the same as in my Cessna or whatever you're flying when the sh*t hits the fan: Fly the plane first, silence the alarms, if any, confirm the emergency (ie, make sure you are dealing with the correct problem and procedure before you start shutting something down) and then run the correct checklist(s) for the situation at hand. Your instructor likely drilled this into your head a million times and professional crews are no different.
Again, it looks like this crew did a great job and a tip of the hat is due. There's an old story about a passenger asking an airline Captain, "Is it true you make that much money in a year?" And the Skipper says, "Sometimes I make it all on one flight." This is the case here, I would suggest!
@@jake5703 thanks for typing that, lots of good info
With a 28 year career flying jet airliners I never had an engine shutdown in flight. The only engine related problem was a starter came apart during an engine start.
@@PolPotsPieHole
Steve had a lot of great questions. Took up a lot of space but glad it was helpful. A vast majority of aviation knowledge I obtained came from the mentoring of some amazing Captains. I just hope I passed some of that on and left the industry and aviators who filled my seat in better shape than I found it. Blue skies and tailwinds!
Live about 10 miles east of here so UA 328 would have passed nearly over my house after leaving rwy 25. My daughter was at the Arts Hub in Lafayette just north of the Broomfield and she said they heard the bang, but, as she tells it, they were in a budget meeting so didn't check it out (as a result she didn't find out about it until three hours later). You have done another great job collecting information and presenting a clear explanation of what they show. I suspect Mentour Pilot will be up with his take on things tomorrow. But the timezones favored you today! Thanks for the great reporting. Our poor local news folks are just out of their depth in such events.
This was an excellent video Juan - the narrative was expert, informative, and intense. Can't believe how quickly you were able to get this together - bravo!
I was almost waiting for the Captain to respond to ATC.
"Captain: You want to be particular and make it a runway, huh?" like Captain. Al Haynes did when United 232 blew an engine, lost hydraulics and made an emergency landing in Sioux City.
Seriously though, Bravo Zulu to the crew for getting this jet down safely.
I'm not taking away anything from this particular crew. They did an outstanding job! But you simply CANNOT (in any way shape or form) compare a "plain old" single engine failure, to what happened to the crew of UNITED 232. It was almost miraculous what the crew of 232 achieved. They pretty much did the impossible.
@@747-pilot I would agree. The United 232 crew did the impossible.
Ironically, Flight 232 also originated from Denver just like Flight 328, except back then it was Stapleton Airport.
@@747-pilot , that's the second thought I had as well, First was , I hope the plane landed.
They deserve any recognition that anyone wants to give them.
Congratulations on 225,000 subs, well deserved!
Thanks! I know you've been here for awhile too!
On 7/1/1996 I was on American Eagle flight 547 (Wings West), a Saab 340B, from DFW-SHV, sitting in seat 7C. Upon takeoff at DFW at about 400 feet AGL the right engine (GE CT7-9B) sustained uncontained turbine failure in the Stage 2 turbine. There were numerous punctures through the fuselage including turbine blade shrapnel lodging in the inner passenger window at 6C; the woman seated there was very lucky. The pilot and FO were outstanding - even with the extremely unbalanced thrust there was never any sudden yaw to the right (at least us pax never felt it.) The young FA unfortunately began uttering a extended series of "oh my god" which was quite unsettling to the pax. The frequent flyers on board had to calm her down and get her focused to use her training and do her job. We turned around and landed safely on the runway that we had departed. It was a bit nerve-racking to see the fire fighters in space suits ensuring that we were not still on fire!
When I later arrived in Shreveport on another flight I was interviewed by the ABC affiliate KTBS. NOT the way I wanted to end up on TV.
All of the "kibbles & bits" from the failure luckily fell on the runway and DFW Airport property. A search party gathered lots of evidence.
The brilliant master puzzle solvers at NTSB figured it out. Metallurgists determined that a machinist at GE neglected to replace a drill bit in a drill press as required, and this caused the margins on mass reduction holes in one of the turbine hubs to be overheated. The titanium microcrystallized and after several thousand hours gave way. One other CT7-9B engine had already let go while on the ground. GE recalled over a hundred turbine disks from this incident.
Nobody was hurt in my incident. Valuable information was gained that helped reduce the chance it would happen again.
I'm certain that the research from UAL 328 will also produce valuable information.
Thanks to you for your 777 insights and experience, and to VAS for outstanding coverage.
AE 547 N335AE NTSB Accident Number FTW96FA282
I let out a sigh when the pilot called out mayday. It's so nice to hear that at the start of an emergency and not waiting to make the call.
The pilot should never feel the need. As a pilot myself, there is three rules. Aviate, navigate, communicate. In this case they had the time and communication is good, if you can. Otherwise it is unnecessary if it should interrupt flying or navigating the aircraft!
@@Flight_dreamz
I understand that (just passed my private checkride the end of January), my reasoning for what I wrote is the story's of someone that goes farther then they really should have before calling mayday.
Mayday is just another tool in the bag, it's always there to use, don't be afraid to use it. Just like a slip to line up with the runway or lose altitude.
@@ansel_av2887 I’m with FD above. Call the Mayday at some point before you need to…it’s not likely the most important thing you have to think about. ATC won’t let you descend or turn as you need to? THAT would be a time you’d need to declare an emergency. Can’t get the runway you want for your emergency situation? Declare! If you state your initial needs and get them while focusing on aircraft control and emergency checklists, you don’t loose points for not calling out “Mayday” from the outset. As you noted…it’s a tool in your bag. It’s unlikely to be the most important tool when you first see an engine fire.
Wonderful job at putting this video together so quickly.
Agreed
I appreciate the content Juan. As soon as I heard about this incident, I thought about you. Thanks for the timely video! It's nice getting a perspective from a 777 pilot. I'm just glad everyone was safe!
Parts landed about 5 blocks from our former home. It is amazing that the front cowl landed as it did between a house, a tree, and their car/RV.
There will be guys in the major airline training centers that will criticize the crew for not evacuating on the runway. It’s been only in the last 5-10 years that they started to open up their thinking. Evacuate a wide body and you WILL injure people. In this case they had zero injuries. Nice job of not only the the cockpit crew resisting the urge to evacuate, but the cabin crew also can self initiate an evacuation if they see something that threatens the aircraft or passengers. You can imagine the battle in your mind...”Should we or shouldn’t we” and you are a hairs breath away and ready to call it. I had numerous warm discussions in the school house about this during a 35 year career. Nice to see the thinking evolve. Great job and great call!
Great channel sir.
Juan, great report! Kudos to this flight crew and ATC! Training, training, training! It will save you when your brain narrows your focus in a crisis and muscle memory takes over!
Thanks for being on top of things Juan !
Aside from the engine itself, absolutely everything went right there.
Calm, clear responses by pilots and ATC.
And the plane is quite happy to fly on one engine if it has to.
Frankly, the worst here is the engine debris landing on civilian housing. BAd vibes, that.
I very much appreciate your professional attitude..and the information you supply...your channel is far above the present Drama Queens and subjective information inhabiting You Tube these days. The good news is they have the core of the failed engine and we should be able to see exactly what went wrong in time.
Juan, great report. There is nothing like getting it first hand from a B777 pilot. This is but one of a 1,000 scenarios you train for that you hope you will never have to use.
Its a major miracle that nobody on the ground was injured or killed. Those cowl pieces didn't 'float' down!
Yeah, have you seen the minivan the nose ring landed on? I called that a write off
Edit: It was apparently a pickup not a van. point still stands
Ye Old Grognard not too long ago we had to replace the inlet cowl off one of our B777 that had sustained some bird strike damage and taking that inlet cowl off was quite a handful, so, yeah having one land on your car is going to make one hellava dent😩
@@psoon04286 I can imagine the police accident report.: Make of Vehicle #2: Boeing Model: 777-200 Driver Name:...."
@@Silverhks United Airlines or the engine manufacturer will be writing a check to the owner of the minivan.
@@curtisfish7984 Same for the home owner, they will be getting a complete new roof, no charge, no insurance deductible, no fault claim.
Hello, Farmers insurance, you have seen a thing or two, but about my pickup....
Funny , we need to wait now for the picture or re-inactment on their wall. 🛩️✈️🏔️
Pilots did a hell of a job. These pilots turned into the functional engine, called into atc immediately, sounds like great crew resource management, atc appropriately supportive and proactive, great learning tool, maybe an upcoming situational scenario on you next check ride.
Textbook engine failure procedure by everyone! Great job, very lucky, no injuries on the ground!
This is the video we were waiting for. I would be terrified.
Maybe you should consider a relationship with God Lucifer. If I pray I tend to be less terrified.
@UCEoaYlGvP9kidrnYc3UE6zA I am aware. I am an A&P mechanic and ultra aviation geek with 30+ years of obsession. I’m just humble enough to admit that I don’t know if a burning engine is going to do something unexpected in the next few minutes.
@@thereissomecoolstuff yay Bible thumpers!! Have you considered that MAYBE I just love the TV show?
Why be afraid? Doesn't who you worship thrive on chaos?
@@lucifermorningstar4548 have you considered I don't know about the TV show. I didn't catch your credentials in your name. Dont know how I missed it. Read through your comment pretty fast. I have never been terrified and I'm not a Bible thumper. I am humble enough to know there is a God and there are miracles. This is pretty close to one if you ask me. That much I do know.
Great job putting this newscast together so quickly. I admire the fact that you're on top of this accident.... You have blessed us with your hard work and knowledge. Thank you, Juan !!!
Excellent report, Juan. I can tell you are right there in the cockpit with the crew. Good job United.
As a United 1k member, I’m thrilled to see great training at work.
Thank you!
Awesome job pulling this together Juan. Ty
Great commentary Juan, as always. I've gone to the 787 now, but the Triple will always hold a special place in my heart. Kudos to this crew.
Thank you very much Juan, excelent video. I am a retired pilot with 16.500 hs flight time, and not even an engine failure. Fortunately this event does not occurs in the middle of the Pacific.
I live in Denver and have long time friends that live in that very neighborhood where the biggest pieces fell!!! It's a total miracle that no one in the air or on the ground was hurt or killed. It was a beautiful day today after sub zero weather for almost a week!! Where the biggest pieces that e know of so far, fell, is a dog park, a large area of multiple soccer fields, parks, and just people outside enjoying the weather. A total miracle and kudos to the pilot and crew for getting the plane safely back to DIA!!! THX for talking about this today.
Wow, can you picture a big doberman picking up the cowling and trying to bring it home to put in his dog 🏠, Good job fur kid! 🐕✈️
Love how calm that pilot was !!!
Not just calm, that was Sully Cool.
Both the FO and the Captain are in the ATC audio. Listen carefully and you can hear the difference in age and demeanor.
Awesome job by the United crew, and ATC!!! Thanks, Juan for the excellent detailed reporting!
Real news on real events from an expert's perspective. Simply the best, Juan. Thanks.
Thanks, Juan. Appreciate the good, factual, and unsensationalized coverage.
Pilots were super calm and not rushed. That’s impressive.
Down to three things:
1. Training,
2. Training, and
3. Training.
Save the excitement for the simulator.
Normal.
The PSA flight that crashed in San Diego in the 70’s, the last words of the captain were a relatively calm
“This is it baby.”
No!!! It's UNPRECEDENTED!!!!!
@@BerndFelsche ZACTLY
Well trained👨✈️
The instant I saw the title... I got chills. Thankfully, it ended fine.
VAS vid is already up, going to watch it right after this one.
I live in Aurora Hills, plane flew over my house at 9200ft, my elevation is 5200ft, at 263kts. Plane was already heading east to the airport. Will check my backyard for any debris once snow clears. What a miracle, hitting so close to home.
Thanks Juan for your analysis and explanation of what took place. Bravo to pilots, ATC and than you God no one was hit by the cowling and debris. That’s a story they can all tell their grandchildren. As a little girl (in the 70’s) I saw an air tanker crash at the Columbia Airport outside of Sonora, CA. (My brother was home from the Air Force on leave and my brothers and dad loved to watch planes and they got me hooked as a kid.) My dad and two brothers ran to render aid ~ a few moments later there was an explosion - I thought I had lost them all. My dad received some burns to his head, and my brothers were okay. Unfortunately the pilots were both killed. To all of you pilots please know there is someone on the ground who prays for you, your crew, the passengers and the entire plane every time she sees a plane landing, taking off and soaring above me. Be well all, and stay cootie free! ☺️🙏🏻✈️
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Sorry to hear about your dad but glad he was and your brothers were ok. My son has flown since he was 16, private pilot. We are from Denver and Tucson and would watch the planes fly over us in south Tucson, (live on Santa Clara street) amazing! But the hypersonic booms I never got used to. As my children were growing up we would go to the closest international airport and sit and watch people coming in and going out of airports, you can't do that now, and watch airplanes landing and taking off. My kids all fly eather private or commercial. " Keep the Blue Skies Up"
@@foxiedogitchypaws7141 Thank you Foxy Dog. It was such a tragic event and knowing those two air tanker pilots lost their lives 😞 was devastating . For many years now I’ve lived in the Central Valley of CA, but growing up I lived in the Bay Area, and we used to drive to the Oakland Airport and watch planes. They used to have an observation deck where you could walk outside and watch the planes from there. My Dad and brother and I would also go to the fly-in air shows, and the one at the Columbia Airport used to be on Father’s Day weekend. We would sleep under the wing of an airplane. Back in the day when I was a young adult I had such a crush on an air tanker pilot. He was a dozen or so years older than me, and didn’t even know I even existed 😆, but I would stand on the edge of the field and watch my “hero” take off as he was going off to fight a fire some where. There I was standing in the broiling sun this fair skinned redhead stood watching and waiting for his plane to take off and then wait anxiously for his return and oh the sound of those radial engines on the old Grumman S2’s 😌. LOL I was smitten. Years later my brother told me he had become an airline pilot, and that he also raced cars and had a terrible accident, and his hands had to be amputated-but apparently he persevered and actually learned to fly with his new hands, but his airline career was finished. I can only imagine how devastated he was, but apparently the old adage is true “You can’t keep a good man down”. I’ve been fortunate to be able to fly in a few special planes ~ a couple of them were an old restored N3N, bi-plane that was an old Coast Guard trainer and a Stearman - one lesson I learned the hard way, if you have long hair and have the chance to fly in a bi-plane, don’t decline wearing a helmet for vanity sake because you think it will mess up your hair - 😂 - by the time we landed I looked like I had stuck my finger in a 220 light socket, and had so many tangles it took me an hour to get them all out 😆. Foxy Dog I’ll be sending prayers for your kids that their skies will always be fair, and turbulent free and that they and the souls that fly with them will always be safe 🙏🏻✈️☺️
The reason for the variable sky background, a weather front was moving in from the northwest (appx 270) on a warm, sunny day. so looking westerly/northerly would be gray/overcast, southerly/easterly would be sunny/blue sky.
Excellent segment. Thanks for the great work. And hats off to that United crew.
Once again Juan, knocked another one out of the park! Great Job. Thank You so much.
Another one happend in the Netherlands today too, 747 I believe. Also raining parts down on populated areas.
Yes, fanblades that hurt people...
Bad day for Pratt
indeed above Meersen from the airport Maastricht czcams.com/video/_dnoy-HAdtM/video.html
@@janfrankena1440 Thnx for the link, it's not that far from where I live, I had no idea. Are they really talking like she's seriously going to keep the part? I don't speak Dutch.
@@janfrankena1440 , how do we get the English version? Thanks
My wife came and got me when this 1st hit the news today! I knew I'd be learning more here! Great info, videos and also thanks to VasAviation for posting the ATC and flight tracking info.
Thanks Juan,
I saw the news media was starting to coming out with all the findings from this incident, so I came here to get the facts. ;)
You do a great job!!!
The "White Lilly" channel and Juan Brown come up with another TOP TIER report! Thanks so very much, Juan Brown!
No engine parts on eBay yet. Pretty sure the engine maintenance records will tell the story. Thank you!
Same time there was a catastrofic engine failure of a 747 above Maastricht, the netherlands, with engine parts damaging cars
The calmness of the aircrew reminds me so much of radio traffic for Captain Sully when he landed in the Hudson River...very professional...well done!
Kudos to the Crew ATC and emergency services great work👏👏
You and Victor are my go to guys, thanks as always.
Shocking and amazing at the same time. Kudos to the crew and ground teams.
big thanks to you for the report and VAS for the audio. crew and ATC all professionals and met the moment.
Thanks JB for jumping on this. As always good first hand analysis from a pilot. Love it.
We had weather moving into the area from the mountains this afternoon but had blue skies most of the day. Airport is about 20 miles east of the mountains.
Yep, wait an hour and the Wx in Denver will change. Guess you could say we get more than our share of "Climate Change". LOL
The full set of photos from Hayden can be seen here: www.dropbox.com/sh/rhuzxdonk98mbk8/AAD04NE-NtoltK7e7WBE16oAa?dl=0
Wow! Nice photos. Thanks for posting the link.
Where in the world did you obtain those ? Great pics
@@LWDavis58 they're posted to his Instagram page. instagram.com/speedbird5280/
Wow, thanks
Another fantastic video, with the facts as we know them. In the end it is almost a non event thanks to the training of the crew and ATC. Looking forward to watching more as the true story unfolds. The main take away is no one hurt in the air or on the ground. Time will tell if this will lead to more lives saved in the future.
Great Job United! Good job Juan, on this initial report! I've had two blowers go during my 33 year career...first on a C-141 and the second on a DC-10 mid way to HNL. These guys handled this engine fire problem picture perfect...including the roll-out & coordination with Emergency Support. Avoided injuries that may have occurred in an unnecessary evacuation scenario. Again... A salute to the United Crew!
Excellent summary and description of this incident today! Thanks for posting!
I' m glad this turned out well and nobody was hurt on the ground in Broomfield.
I flew on N772UA last year SFO-HNL. Great old bird! Great post Juan.
Fantastic job on everyone's part in getting back on the ground safely!
Thank you Juan for sharing your expertise with us and Victor for his VasAviation ATC video
What an excellent video, Looks like no damage (that I can see apart from that engine). Incredible.
Thanks Juan! Your channel is my favorite CZcams channel by far. I always look forward to the straight facts, and commentary from someone who is so experienced and passionate about aviation. Thank you! As a Broomfield resident, seeing the local media present an incomplete picture, this video was greatly anticipated. Keep up the good work!
Juan, Very nice explanation of the various elements involved here. Especially like the commentary on the VASAviation segment
I’ve said this several times over the years and will say it again. If I was mega rich I would hire Juan to be my personal pilot and would pay him well for that job . This guy knows his stuff . I love it the pilot calls out mayday 2x and Ground asks him to repeat. Juan shakes his head “ he told you 2x”. That is no nonsense truth
That's a strange thing to think over the years.
I think the ATC reported that the message was "stepped on" so it's possible they didn't hear the first call out. Once they did, though, they handed the entire airport of UA 328. Gotta love practiced procedures in the cockpit and on the ground. "You said Mayday, Mayday. Well, you're now the most important aircraft anywhere near Denver."
I wish you were mega rich too. That way at least one pilot(Juan) would always have a job. Isn't it amazing that two pilots you never heard of were able to do this without input from Juan?
@@Kevin_747 Hail Juan!
@@TheJazsa80 only when stepping on a plane my friend which
Is often . . Red Bull gives you wings . Juan keeps you in the air
I was on a flight years ago from Denver to San Antonio when the center engine of our 727 sucked in a bird right after takeoff. Major compressor stalls followed but stopped. Crew elected to continue but engine later blew and we returned to Denver. Pretty intense experience. Deadhead pilot on flight sat next to me on the later flight and recounted the events in the cockpit. Everything looked good until the engine blew. He saw the bird right over the cockpit. The 777 crew handled that emergency like real pros. Just like the United pilots on my flight. Great analysis Juan.
@@osakarose5612 wow, sorry that happened to you, sounds like you need to be offered a movie roll 😂🥴
Great job on putting this together, Juan!! Keep up the good work, we love your channel!
Thank you Juan for pointing out how well the pilots did. CRM worked.
Thanks JB for getting this out so fast, great reporting. Great job UA and Denver ATC.
Unusual looking failure. Curious as to what happened. Well done crew.
It was a joy to listen to the communication between the flight crew and ATC. Very professional. I also applaud the captain's decision to let the first officer be pilot flying.
Fantastic job Juan. The insights couldn’t have been any better. Many thanks
Fantastic video, Juan, and fantastic airmanship, United 328 pilots! God bless you. And the passengers in there were blessed too!
Outstanding coverage and analysis, as usual, Juan. Thank you.
Juan great report as usual. Always appreciate your detailed account of the events as you know them at the time. Looking forward to your follow up.
Every time something devastating happens one you're very calm cool and Collective from the time I started watching with the Oroville Dam and everything in between thank you and God bless you and your family stay strong Warriors
You are hands-down the best airplane incident analyst on CZcams. Just the facts and none of the drama. Kudos to flight and ground crews, passengers seemed calm, and now it's up to investigators. Will be interesting to hear the cause of this one. Excellent and quick coverage of this!
Great coverage Juan! You’re my go-to whenever there is an aviation incident.
Once again your emphasis is on just how safe flying is, even with something as dramatic as this incident. Something major has gone wrong and time will expand on the story. No doubt in the coming months we will hear from you the facts behind the event. Glad that everyone returned back and no one on the ground was injured. Well done to the crew of UAL328 and ATC.
Good job United crew, and as usual, Juan is the first place to go for reliable , informed information !
Great post Juan, I knew it wouldn't be long before you had info up, thank you for taking us through it with the rolling commentary of events, always thoroughly appreciated by us not so knowledgeable people. Brilliant job by the pilots to keep their composure and bring the aircraft back around and touch down safely. Cheers from Aus!!!!