Mystery Bulk Film
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Someone sent me a a bunch of random film.
00:00 intro
00:38 bulk roll of mystery film
01:58 test 1
02:36 trichrome 1
03:14 trichrome 2
04:29 trichrome 3
05:23 bulk roll of mystery film 2
06:11 test 2
07:06 bulk roll of mystery film 3
09:01 test 3
09:38 test 4
10:43 test 5/trichrome 4
11:14 trichrome 5
11:56 trichrome 6
12:47 technical brochure
13:46 wrap up
equipment:
Nikon FE-2
Nikon 24mm f2.8 Ai-S
Hasselblad 500C/M
Carl Zeiss 80mm f2.8 C* Planar
Sekonic L-558R
Hoya R25A
Tiffen 58
Tiffen 48B
Manfrotto XUME Magnetic Filter Adapters
development notes:
Rodinal 1+100 stand developed
Ilford Rapid Fixer 1+4
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This channel just does not get the recognition it deserves. In my opinion this is THE truest form of a film photography channel. No overdone fetishism of leica or mamiya or any other superficial aspects. Pure chemistry, curiosity and creativity.
No overdone fetishism of leica or mamiya, only overdone trichromes and portra fetishism.
For sure 😅!!!
People fetishize mamiya now?
Trash take
With most photography videos I fast forward to results. These videos pure results. Perfect.
Babe, wake up! Attic just posted a new video.
Also, random fun challenge thought: how would you get the most grainy images possible? I'm talking grains the size of sand, contrast to the moon, looks like it came straight out of 1940s government file or something.
Basically the opposite of every pro-tip article you read about film developing
Pushing film can help. But what really helps is already grainy film. HP5 is medium grain but then you push it and the grain makes itself apparent.
I'm sure there's more you can do, but that's all I can think of for now.
He has basically done this in the video where he pushed HP5+ as far as he possibly could
i mean , a harsh light source and a small aperture might help
It's quite likely this is Orwo LF10, a leader film. It's available online and looks similar once developed.
I'll have to look into that, thanks for the tip!
Leader film? What’s the exact application for something like that?
@@therestorationofdrwho1865 My head is telling me its for user purely as a throwaway film for spooling 35mm motion picture camera so none of the 'good stuff' used for actual motion picture is wasted. Probably used for those old title screens you'd see as well.
LF10 has light yellow base and has extreme contrast (as expected from sound recording film).
Looks like a majority of ORWO's duplicating "panchromatic" really falls off at 600nm and higher, so its not true "pan" film, doubt this is leader film as it is usable, but it also be the rejects from the factory. :(
You want some more mystery film? I bought a couple bulk loaders that still have some film in them. I tried developing it in DF96 but didn't get anything unless I rated it as iso40 or lower. The film base was also bright purple.
Sounds interesting. Sent me an email at stuff@atticdarkroom.com
If you're so inclined, the Canon EOS 10s (EOS 10QD in Japan) will shoot sprocketless film. You do need to tape a short leader with sprockets to get it started, but then you're good to go!
I think you'd find great success trichroming copy microfilm. Fujifilm HR-20 can be had for very cheap (100ft rolls for about 20 bucks) and the extremely high contrast could give some interesting results
I'm here for this kind of content
Love your style. Never stop posting
The 35mm in MF crowd now going wild over sprocketless panos!
Very cool video man. I really enjoyed the adventure this time, even if it was filled with "failure"
6:13 could be some orwo color negative fim that needs to be developed with their orwo process. A friend once gave me a 25 y.o. shot but undeveloped roll of Svema DS-4 that needs to be developed with orwo 5168 and i had a similar result after stand developing it in rodinal
That's interesting, I never even considered anything other that b&w film. I'll definitely have to look into this. Thanks!
I've had decent results using cold C41 for various colour ORWO films - about 12 mins at 20 deg celsius
I'll have to give that a try.
@@atticdarkroom The fact that your trichromes has a slight color cast on the negative itself leads me to believe that it's not a bw film - silver would simply have no tint. I would try both c41 and e6.
That's most likely duplicating film, kinda like Fuji Eterna RDI, but real old, probably Svema CP-8R equivalent. It doesn't use 5168 process, but it's process is kinda similar. I have all recipes and can post them, if attic darkroom is interested
Second one kinda looks like Tasma DS-5m, judging by the color, but it will need serious troubleshooting with results like these. What developer was used? At what temperature, and for how long was it developed? How much benzotriasole was added?
Your like the nile red of film photography and i love it.
Dude, I have been waiting for a new upload!!! Keep it up I love your content
I just want to show appreciation that you included "a/s/l?" hahaha, that made me smile.
I love this channel so much
this is the best photography channel
Thank you for making such great videos
you have me wanting to tri chrome some delta 100 in 4x5. Probably a total waste of time/money/resources.... but also just crazy enough that it might be cool
You should absolutely do it.
Dude, I love your channel sooo much. I found it through the Film Photography discord and I look forward to every video you post. I have a couple rolls of expired film I'd like to send you to mess around with 🤪
4:30 these look sublime, i love the trippy yet tasteful color separations.
What I find peculiar about the Orwo film is that for the trichromes the color of each exposure is a little different. On the film itself the sets of 3 images alternate from purply-red to sepia to olive green. If it was black & white film it should be impossible for this to happen since plain silver halides don't change hue based on what color of light was shone on it (at least from what I've seen), but I don't get how it would happen if it was color film either. Since it was developed in B&W chemistry I'd assume the silver would be gray throughout, but I guess maybe there are some dyes in the film that get activated with B&W chemistry... Very confusing.
I was informed it's a color film. I was also told Rodinal is also a weak color developer so that's where the colors came from.
It uses the old ORWO color process. I've since cross processed it in C41 and got washed out color images. It's definitely not a B&W film so a big swing and a miss from me.
Loving the new video
perforated 8x10 film is the most cursed
The photos of the St. John’s Bridge are incredible. Wow.
I know that working with film, actually labeled, or unknown, there is Always testing! I think you ought to filter all your chemicals and water! I store regular water in large bottles. so it's always at room temperature. Same temps most of year with heating or A/C. Toronto Canada. Coffee filters, one for each chemical, developer,stop or plain water, fixer and soapy wetting agent rinse. I enjoyed! Tri colors amazing! Bravo!
Have you tried C41 or E6, or heck, even ECN-2? The second roll might well be colour film. Two more developing solutions I tend to try are Adotech IV (CMS-20 isn't the only technical film that responds well to Adotech) and Caffenol. Caffenol in this case is very versatile because you can make a weak-ass version with tons of salt or KBr (to guard against fogging) and really stretch out the development time to get a more granular look at the development curve for the film.
It hadn't occurred to me to try different chemistry. I'll definitely be trying it next.
Wild speculations are fun to read. Definitely most mysterious film in a while. I might know something.
those vertical panos were properly sick
How the saying goes, Poland Mountain
Would love a Conversation between you and Mr. " The naked Photographer ". Nerding out about Film, developer and so on
I guess you're going to have to look for a former STASI agent to ask what's that first misterious film
They were all undercover! Now with new ID. Forget it.
Based CZcams channel
Trichrome everything! 🤣
Words to live by.
wow epic
so all the cool kids are on AIM and not Discord now...
You gotta keep up with the trends old man.
pushing film to 69420 ISO
push film to 1,000,000 iso
It's on the list if things I want to try.
Those 'liver spots' i have also found when using Orwo NP22 film, expired in 1985.
Someone sent me a bulk roll mystery film “for no good reason”
ORWO (Original Wolfen, named after Bitterfeld-Wolfen where the factory stood) was a film brand (and other chemical products) in East Germany during Cold War, based on Agfa before WW2. And after reunification of Germany the brand ORWO was sold and they try to market new film nowadays.
I've shot unperforated 35mm film! It was kodak 2468 microfilm which is black & white reversal (in normal black & white chemistry), 0.8 iso, orthrochromatic, and bright red. I shot it in my Voigtlander Vito 1 as it accepts unperfed film.
You should try to get your hands on a Leica Monochrom just to trichrome it XD
If I ever get my hands on one it will be the first thing I try.
best youtube channel posting again?
Try using the last roll of film by doing a solargraph, expose for a day outdoors, with the diaphragm open to the maximum. The negative should not be developed, just scan it
That might be a good use for that film. I'll have to give it a try sometime.
This makes me think of a printing film I used, it also came to me as an unknown but I worked out it was a kodak film which was used for film duplication. It was red insensitive and was designed for either titling (text for educational videos) or for duplicating film - it was abut iso2-3 with normal contrast, though I wound up pushing it all the way to iso 25-50 to get weird effects which looked like low light shots in broad daylight - I had a lot of fun with it. weird film.
Awesome video - I stumbled across your channel literally this morning, watched every single video, and just caught this upload when I was done! Do you have a link for those 3D printed film adapters? I recently built a Brancopan 3D printed Panoramic Camera with a buddy which is a blast to use, but I feel you can never have enough options for shooting panos
I'm glad you're enjoying the videos.
I bought the adapters off of eBay. I think I searched 35mm to 120 adapter. The one I bought came with a take-up reel that's designed for 35mm film.
holy... i didn't know about this CLEAR base, it's so clear... maybe it's time to use microfilm from my country
I have polish fomachrom sitting around in my freezer, and it came with similar brochures, but the developer wasn't listed at all, there's just a recipe and most of those things are banned now lol
Makes me miss Portland. I miss St. John’s bridge the most
I have a Pentax p30t haven't loaded it in ages since I've been shooting lots of 120 recently but I think it would be able to take sprocketless film.
I had great experience developing expired film with HC-110 comparing to D-76. Way less aggressive grain and less fog.
Maybe you should give it a try.
cool! :)
I have the same olive/yellow film! Mine is also fogged to about the same level. I have no idea what it is yet, it was in one of my dad's bulk loaders from the late 80s labeled 80 iso. If I ever figure it out I'll comment.
4:35
With some very minor colour corrections, this would made a dope t shirt graphic
So i'm polish and the foton film is black and white and apparently not sensitive to red light as above the logo it says "open and process under red light" its also not perforated its some kind technical film for documents
*written this before watching the rest, sorry for the obvious info
I could technically show this to my Polish friend and see if he could give you a more accurate translation.
That microfilm would be fantastic for 126 if that’s your kind of thing. Kinda jealous tbh
I got a result that is similar to the second film, I developed fomapan r100 with ordinary b&w chemistry, and its just "cooked", but I found out that r100 should be developed in b&w slide chemistry, maybe you can give it a try.
Oh man just looking at the Agfa Ortho 25, I just shot some of that the other day, you're not gonna find much data on it online but equate other Ortho rolls to your developer and you should be fine
Just developed some 3 days ago in Rodinal 1+200, 10:40 @20 Celsius. Mine expired in 1988, shot at iso 6, the results are beautiful. Was in 120
I wonder if it’s similar to Eastman 2374 sound recording film- a very blue-sensitive film made for recording optical sound tracks.
I didn't even think about sound recording film.
@@atticdarkroom Might as well, there's a lot of stock there. Oh man I would be super chuffed to have a box of film land on me like that to play with :)
6:21 looks exactly like Orwo UT18 E4 type slide film when developed in b/w.
You should scan the test snippets of film, so people can see the pretty watermelon and yellow colors in high def. :-D
EDIT: i am wrong about green film being tasma (didnt watch video first), see comment below this one
From the looks of it definetly tasma type 25 or 42. My dad used to shoot that stuff a lot, still have some clipped ends left in his photo stuff shoebox.
That first green film that is. It is aero surveillance film, so comes in ~980 feet rolls i do believe.
i am retarded nvm
Cool, I'll have to look into that. Thanks!
@attic darkroom i took a quick look in google books. Old soviet land survey manuals and such. Now im even more confused then i was before. There like million types of technical orwo films in stupidly large format rolls and sheets. For astrophotography and such.
But If it has rebate marking this is definetly not cut and perforated from large roll by someone other that factory.
I do believe this is M- something (mikrofilm).
Someone in the comments said it was ma8.
There is more types but based on low iso i do not know what else it could be.
On polish site i found rebates markings that goes as follow :
orwo 435 s m3.
I think this is that but diffrent batch maybe?
And it comes in ~100 ft rolls so idk. I guess it 50 years too late to know for sure.
If you hover with the google app above the polish it will translate it for you. I always use it on the road since it gets almost any language right. :)
Would love to see you make that N9 developer and use it on this film
i don't know if anyone suggested something for the second mystery bulk roll but could it be that it's a cinema film, so the black stuf over it is the remjet-layer. I'm just guessing, i don't really know
There was na old film stock called ORWO MA8. It has this green base and originally had iso 6. So i guess this is Your film.
Never heard of that before, I'll have to do some digging. Thanks!
I bought small 3 meter can of it and whole thing was cooked. Even stand developing didn’t help. I’ve red that usually with that expired stocks you should cut first two meters or so…
Tbh didn't expect the microfilm to be alright at 100, even normal 400 speed from foton you'd have trouble shooting at 100 lmao, would be nice for 828 and other 35mm paperback film cameras that don't use the sprockets, so not smena aadly
The polish film is ortho chromatic BW documentary film made in 1984.
Ortho print film used it a lot in mid 70s
I heard that for ORWO Color films there was an different process called C5166 or C1568. Mayby it will work for your mystery bulk films. There are some recipes on internet. I hope it helps. Greetings from Poland!
Probably some colors will appear in c41
Caffenol LC+C is said to be a good match for Microfilm
How did you know which development process to use for each?
6:00 Any possibility it may be Mikrat 200 film? I've shot a couple rolls of Mikrat 200 and your mystery film looks a lot like it in terms of base layer color. Mikrat 200 is old orthochromatic film (the one that doesn't give a damn about reds), rated at 2.7iso originally. You can shoot it at 6 or 12 iso and develop in regular d-76
About the second mistery bulk roll looking fully cooked: have you tried dunking it in C41? I've seen color film acidentally souped in b/w chemistry looking very much like this.
could you post the directions on how to make that developer somewhere?
i've recently found about 20 rolls of undeveloped film that i inherited and i'm still not sure what to do with it. I suppose i will have them developed, but i have to find a developer that i actually trust
Perhaps the second bulk roll is a black and white slide film?
Did you work out what the blue-sensitive film was? If not it might be worth exploring electron microphotography, which used blue-sensitive film.
look's like amorce band for cinema film
did you try pre washing the film with something, like for the remjet maybe it take some prebath in something I dunno
The trichromes on that first roll look like they actually came out in different colors. Did you try E6 or C41?
38°C will melt the emulsion off. This film requires it's own process, but all chemicals are easily obtainable
Where can I find this 120 perfo film ? its imax cinema kodakvision ?
im waiting for your review :) I wonder do you have to cut this film ? to match it with spool
Not sure, a viewer sent it to me a while back.
@@atticdarkroom i would like to order a fresh roll of 250d but i think i have to cut edges of film to reaload it on spool. I think 3mm :) - finger crossed for your experimental stuffff
The first roll could be a kodak vericolor film
I wouldn't say it's ORWO LF10. The writing near the holes looks old, just in style of old GDR-made ORWO, not the modern one like LF10. My shot is either ORWO Dk5 or MA8
I personally think it's an analog version of a digital movie by getting it on film. Like a digital C-print... otherwise you can't explain the ridiculous low iso and the film layer that changes dramatically with color. Anyway, it's probably made of special purpose film rather than pictures.
Ah... Is there any information you are looking for regarding the development of AGFA SCALA? I often make BW slide film, but I leave a comment because I can see the scalar.
If you need help with translating the Polish film, just let me know! :) I can see that the film expired in 1984.
What is tri chroming and how do you do it
It's the process of using RGB filters and BW film to create color photos. I made a video about it here: czcams.com/video/BaqgmnoK_Us/video.html
@@atticdarkroom thank u!
Do you live in Portland? If so we should go shoot sometime
Yeah, hit me up on Instagram or shoot me an email.
12:51 it says that the film is highly sensitive to light and it cannot be expressed in ASA, DIN or any other metering system, so the film should be exposed based on your own experience with it
it also says that it is insensitive to red light, although can retain some colour information such as stamps on a document. Also it should be primarily used to copy books or documents
The microfilm has been overcooked by the developer for sure. I would shoot that at 20iso and develop in some weak D-76 (1+5?) for like 3-5mins. Microfilm is very picky with developer and goes crazy contrast, also do not prewash microfilm. Just look up Adox CMS 20 developer instructions....
i asked chatgpt and it gave this answer ORWO S 737 E9 is a black and white panchromatic motion picture film that was manufactured by the former East German company ORWO (Original Wolfen). It has an ISO rating of 200/24 and was commonly used in the 1960s and 1970s for documentary and feature film production. The film has a fine grain structure, good contrast, and sharpness.
Overexposing the one film by 15 stop probably captures green or blue leakage rather than actual red.
OK- I had my Polish friend translate the text on the container. now he's not a photographer, but he went above and beyond and found background information on Foton. here's what he sent me:
Found Wikipedia page of place where it was produced.
There are some old cans (but empty) still available to buy.
Manuals and other stuff.
But yeah, back to beginning.
Open and process under red light (on the top)
FOTON (name of manufacturer)
Doceumentary membrane reel
(I guess the proper translation would be just documentary reel film, but that "membrane" is a bit archaic, now you would say "film tape" - taśma filmowa)
Orthochromatic. Negative.
Black and white.
(all of that was on a yellow field)
NEGATIVE MICROFILM (in white on black ribbon)
(on yellow below:)
35 mm
SUPER ORTO
(I guess that this is the name of the product)
80,5 m
non-perforated membrane - safe substrate/safe base
develop (photos) until october 84
(it is not literaly develop that is make/ create, but this: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wywo%C5%82a%C4%87, to call, to invoke, photos are "called" to appear on photo paper, like you would invoke a ghost, rather than made)
EM No. 30333
(not sure what EM stands for, seems to be some serial number)
Price PLN
(howevere there is no amount)
If manufacturing defects are detected, we replace the defective membranes with the same amount of material. We do not provide other compensation.
(text in small letters)
(I can't properly express in this translation, but the sentence above is a bit archaic - 60s-80s impression)
00424429
ORGANIKA - FOTON - WARSAW
"ORGANIKA" refers to organic chemistry industry
Freedom - Yesterday at 4:33 PM
Warsaw Photochemical Works "Foton"
Warsaw Photochemical Plants "Foton" SA
Illustration
The headquarters of "Foton" at 45 Wolska Street after the end of production
Country
Poland
Address
45 Wolska St.
00-961 Warsaw
Date of establishment
1888
January 1, 1950[1]
Legal form
joint stock company
President
Robert Muraszko
Shareholders
State Treasury
KRS No.
0000029544
Financial data
Share capital
PLN 2,285,750
Location on the map of Warsaw
(Switch to the map of Poland)
Contour map of Warsaw, near the center on the left is a point with the description "Warszawskie Zakłady Fotochemiczne "Foton" SA".
Warsaw Fotochemical Plants "Foton" SA
Warsaw Fotochemical Plants "Foton" SA
Earth 52°14′01,2″N 20°58′08,1″E
Warsaw Photochemical Plants "Foton" (stylized notation FOTON) - Warsaw photochemical plants, headquartered in Wola at 45 Wolska St. These plants took over the tradition of the pre-war "Foton" plants of Piotr Lebiedzinski and the photochemical production department "Foto" of the factory "J. Franaszek S.A.".
Table of contents
1 History
2 Mural
3 Gallery
4 Footnotes
5 Bibliography
History
The beginnings of the photochemical industry in Warsaw are associated with Piotr Lebiedzinski, who began producing photosensitive materials in 1888. In 1936, at Wolska Street, the brothers Jerzy and Kazimierz Franaszek, owners of the Factory of Paper Covering and Color Papers "J. Franaszek S.A." began building a branch for the production of photographic papers and negative films.
Despite the outbreak of World War II, production was maintained and the plant did not come under German administration during the Nazi occupation. The plant produced watermarked papers for the resistance movement.
In 1943 Jerzy Franaszek died, and on August 5, 1944, during the slaughter of Wola, SS units murdered Kazimierz Franaszek and his family, employees and people seeking refuge on the factory premises. The factory's buildings were destroyed during the Warsaw Uprising, the photochemical production equipment was dismantled and taken to Germany.
After the war, the factory "J. Franaszek S.A." was initially rebuilt and nationalized in 1949, giving it the name Warsaw Photochemical Plant. The plant specialized in the production of photographic films and reagents, including mainly for medical radiology, under its own FOTON label - the factory's specialty was halogen-silver photosensitive materials on a transparent substrate (as opposed to its twin plants in Bydgoszcz, which produced on a paper substrate). WZF "Foton" also produced other technical photograpgic film (for use in printing and cartography), as well as movie reels and black-and-white photographic film for amateur and professional photography. In the 1960s, the factory covered 75% of domestic demand for photographic fim and movie reels[2].
In 1969, a contract was signed with the English company Ilford Ltd for the purchase of technology and equipment for the production of medical X-ray films for manual and machine processing in a 3.5-minute cycle, as well as high-sensitivity films and black-and-white films for amateur and professional photography. Based on licensed know-how, a modern production line was built, which included a new emulsion production plant, a new coating and drying unit with a coating speed of up to 30 mb/min (more than four times faster than the previous one) and a modernized packaging department.
Production on the new production line was launched in the first quarter of 1979. The production capacity of this line doubled the domestic demand for X-ray films, and WZF "Foton" was practically the only supplier of medical X-ray films to the Polish health service until 1990. After the political changes in Poland in the 1990s, the factory reduced production, and after 2000 the factory buildings changed their purpose.
In 2002, the commercial activities of WZF "Foton" SA were taken over by "Foton Trading" Sp. z o.o., based on Wolska Street 84/86 in Warsaw[3]. The buildings stood deserted; of the old ones, the modernist photographic department building survived, but due to phenol contamination it stood deserted[4]. The 1970s building was used by the Higher School of Economics, which suspended operations in 2016. The dilapidated building was likely sold in 2019[5]. In February 2016, the remaining buildings were demolished, and a new City Link housing development was built in their place[6][7]. During excavation for the new buildings in 2016, the neighborhood was contaminated with toxic benzene[8].
Mural
On the wall of a building at 15 Targowa Street in Warsaw's Praga district, an advertisement for the photographic films of the Warsaw Photochemical Plant "Foton" has been painted since the 1970s. In June 2019, it was painted over with the approval of the Warsaw conservation officer, despite the objections of the city hall. As a result of efforts by, among others, the Association for Praga, the mural was restored in 2020. It was not possible to recover the original, but it was painted over from scratch, preserving the original form[9].
if you ever need a translation from PL, then hit me up, I enjoy your videos so much I could at least return the favor :)