12K resolution scans at CINELAB London -- processing Motion Picture Film
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- I shot some Super 8 film thanks to Cinelab London. This facility is crazy -- they handle tons of motion picture film stock for huge Hollywood blockbusters. There is so much Vision3 film flowing through facility and they develop, process, scan all of it.
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Check out some cool content by Cinelab:
Digital-Film-Digital (DFD) Transfer // 2254 Stock Comparison - 35mm/16mm/8mm : vimeo.com/723465254
Digital-Film-Digital (DFD) Transfer // 250D Stock Comparison - 35mm/16mm/8mm : vimeo.com/721039365
65mm OXScan Test Footage: vimeo.com/698726693
Straight 8 vimeo.com/straight8
Straight 8: www.straight8.net
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0:00 Intro
1:03 ECN2 Developing
7:11 Prep in complete darkness
11:01 State of the art Scanners
13:27 HUGE file sizes
14:20 CZcams Compression
15:19 Super 8 is DOPE
19:24 I shot some Super 8
20:16 12K resolution scanner
23:39 65MM Film negatives are BIG
26:01 Print Digital to Film
27:43 Color Presets
29:42 cool Cinelab content - Věda a technologie
Loving these film related company tours! The Ilford one was amazing and this one is great so far as well (haven't finished the video yet)
Glad you are enjoying it!
this film developing/production series has been incredible! you're the only person that's showing this type of in-depth behind-the-scenes content with this level of quality.
we really appreciate the work you put into this and for sharing these processes with us
thanks for watching!
theres a couple on smarter every day too :) kodak stuff and also a small film developer company
They must have hard drives the size of the moon to store all that data. Really interesting, especially the Super 8. I've never seen Super 8 look that good 🙂
Haha I think it’s all on the cloud at this point. But yes - wild file sizes
We have over 2PB (Petabytes - 2000 Terabytes) of SAN high performance storage - at 12K we can be up to 500MB per frame - >10GB/sec (bytes not bits!) to playback in real time. Standard definition video was approx 1MB per frame. There’s a lot of cloud used for distribution of lower resolution proxy files, but currently not practical to send the majority via the cloud.
Digital Cinema also generating ton of data, imaging shooting raw footage at 8k
@@v2bull I'm assuming you work for the guys in the video then? Really amazing setup you have, and really awesome to see guys like you doing as much if not more to keep film alive than people like us shooting stills. I have to ask though, what kind of specs do you use on the machines for playback or editing of those 12k files? I'm just thinking I've got an iMac with 64GB of RAM and a decent spec but it still chugs editing 4k video, so I can't imagine the monster machines you must have just for playback at 10GB/s, let alone editing or processing those files!
yetanotherbassdude it’s me in the video talking about scanning, Super8 and 65 - for the big stuff typically we create optimised lower res proxies to enable faster editing, review and approval - and then once edit is complete then re-link the EDL to the uncompressed master files which takes a load of crunching but doesn’t have to happen real-time. The main SAN supports an over10GB/sec read/write performance, but to deal with the 12K we will work with a smaller faster SSD based SAN and limit what’s happening on this at any time. 100gE infrastructure with Melanox switches and lots of fibre! Most of the Macs will be connected over T2 or T3 it’s quite a fusion of photochemical and digital technology and we love it!
This was a trip. I was watching this while scanning 35mm film I shot this week (still frames, not movie). My scanner is a PrimeFilm XA which scans a whole uncut roll of 35mm, 38 frames in a batch in my case. Watching my little desk scanner struggle with 10000DPI while seeing that 12K scanner was unreal.
Haha yea - those high end scanners are something!
Wow thank you ribsy and cinelabs for this tour. It was so incredibly interesting. Just to hear the costs (£600/min)that can be incurred in filming is amazing. At least every film is professionally licked at least once. 😆
yea the cost for 65mm is nuts!
24х60=🤔/600
Man, you are outdoing yourself with this kind of content! Great work!
Thanks for watching!
Enjoyed that immensely. Thanks for taking us along. The prices are eye-watering for the casual photographer! Learned a lot.
haha yes the prices are wild - but worth it once in a while
Been a while since I been down to Cinelab but have had all sorts of footage developed by them Super 8, 16mm, Super 16mm and 2-Perf 35 and it always looks phenominal and they are great guys and love showing you around. Got to see someone doing some archive stuff and digitising as well as the lab was really cool. Used to be where they make the for GT40s as well which is kinda cool on its own.
Thanks for the info!
On my opinion, a fascinating lessons I learned looking your video is that technician telling us that super 8, 40 years old cameras, are filming with improved stocks and films being scanned at 4K resolution, then i only can think we are living in the golden age of super 8. Lets forget the word "resurgence of super 8". the 80's were the auge or chilhood of super 8 because cameras became popular, but now is the adulthood, lest talk about the prime of super 8, or ripeness of super 8. Thabks for that putting together that video mate!
thanks for watching!
That's really cool!
How nice to know that somebody is still manufacturing and processing Eastmancolor ECN2 from Super 8 to 65mm and making rock-steady, hi resolution scans using a classic pin-registered slap gate (as seen on the 1912 Bell and Howell 2709 camera)! On one hand it's like a living museum - I used to process colour motion picture film in similar processing lines in Sydney in the late 70s before moving to laboratory control, flashing and reading the test wedges and correcting processor speeds and printer trims. The processing end of this all felt so familiar!
We didn't need scanners - we did all our visual effects with optical printers printing on EK colour intermediate films, B+W hi contrast and rarely B+W separation master positives. The world has moved on and I've been compositing digitally for nearly 30 years now. While digital is definitely the way to go (I do things every day quickly that I would have been unable to do optically) for me digital also came at a price. I used to get to the lab early before our optical rushes came up so I could watch the latest footage from currently shooting Australian feature films. Projected on an ANSI standard screen, these rushes - only 1 generation from the original negative - represented the best image Eastmancolor could offer, and it was utterly superb. The practice down there was to always print one-light rushes, so if the director of photography underexposed or somebody forgot the Wratten 85 filter outdoors, we got to see it even before the editor. I miss seeing my work on the big screen.
Months later the lab would screen the answer print complete with colour correction, opticals and fully mixed stereo sound for the staff and it was always a blast. The dupes the audience got to see in the cinemas were slightly degraded bulk release printing. Motion picture printing was an analog process and this is something that is not an issue for digital intermediates. We even restored a couple of major historical Australian feature films on Eastmancolor: 'Jedda' (1954, Gevacolor) and 'For The Term of His Natural Life' (1927, B+W) which required simulating in Eastmancolor the tinting and toning with which this film was originally presented.
I would love to see the laboratory negative rolls from something like the 1968 Tony Richardson epic "The Charge of the Light Brigade" scanned to 4k+ in a film lab like this then digitally restored to its original magnificence. So great to hear that film still lives!
Thanks for a great video!
i can only imagine how tough it was to do vfx with optical printers. how far the tech has come!
@@ribsy It was slow, non-interactive and unforgiving. Many times I blew away 3 hours of my work by mis-printing a frame in the wrong place - there was no Undo! Still, along with process projection, miniatures, matte paintings and so on it was the only way to create visual effects on film. When it worked, it could look incredible and complex opticals sometimes earned cheers in the rushes room. It drove me crazy at times but I loved it.
This is the sharpest super 8 footage I’ve ever seen
yea - i have it in 4k and it looks even better
This is amazing work. Thanks for getting these and putting them together. Appreciate it
Thanks for watching 😀
I really appreciate these tours! Keep up the good work! 🙏🏾
Glad you enjoy it
I love this stuff. It’s so amazing to see the inner workings of a pro lab like this and the same goes with the production of Ilford products. You’ve been smashing it out the park with these. Also, can’t believe how great that super 8 quality is from that lab. I’m tempted to shoot some this summer!
yea the super 8 footage is amazing scanned at high res
Amazing how clean and streamlined the process they have is. Nice work!
yea! cinelab cranks through the film!
This was really interesting - especially the explanation of scanning and it's relationship over time to various quality/definition available. Thank you for making such great content!
yea scanning is quite interesting
This is golden. Thank you for the tour. Enjoy every foot of it …
thanks for watching!
This video is fantastic.
Reminds me of the best documentaries we often had on TV in the 90s (and that's a compliment, btw. lol)
But this is better, because it's shot in HD.
Subbed!
haha i appreciate that!
Thanks for coming to see us Ribsy, love the video and great to see the Super8 - hope you’re going to enter the next Straight8 competition! Cheers, Adrian
the pleasure was all mine - thanks for having me. and yes - still amazed at the 4k results of the super 8 film
Another excellent video, Ribsy! Well done on going the extra mile to bring us this interesting content!
Much appreciated
Amazing video! I've always wanted to see how this scale of work gets done.
I think it's a real shame that the other end of movies, projection, transitioned to digital when it did. While digital does make things a lot easier (and requires so much less effort to produce an acceptable result), the industry standard that we are only now starting to finally upgrade from is 2k xenon. As mentioned in the video, 35mm can easily produce results in 4k, and for 65mm 12k is the standard. Aside from straight resolution, color reproduction on film does feel very noticeably different (I know, cliche as hell, but it's true!), and particularly on those older xenon based digital projectors, contrast and dynamic range. Even now as we finally start to approach quality parity with 35mm with 4k laser projectors, larger film formats are still king. 70mm is a true treat to run and to watch.
yea id love to see 70mm in a theater
@@ribsy If you don't mind Nolan movies, when Oppenheimer is released next summer, there should be both "traditional" 5 perf 70mm and 15 perf IMAX 70mm prints circulating. If you're lucky enough to be near a theater showing it, it's something I would really take advantage of!
One of the most entertaining and interesting videos I've seen. Thank you for that. Great job!
yea i enjoyed making it!
Thank you!!!! This is so sick to see : ) I love these "behind the curtain" looks - really appreciate the effort
yea thanks for watching
Amazing to see, and nicely done getting them to show you around and document everything they're doing! I really feel like it's the movie industry that's a huge part of why film isn't dead so it's really awesome to see film in movies is still very much alive and that there's still cutting edge R&D being done even today to build new machines and processes like the 12k scanner or that laser film printer. Awesome stuff!
Yea 100% we owe a lot to them - they help keep film alive
@@ribsy 100%! I'm just getting into doing my own colour processing after previously only doing black & white, and I'm actually going into ECN2 first rather than C41. Vision 3 stocks just seem to be the only ones that don't have availability issues right now so it seems like a better process to invest in, and that's ultimately down to people like Cinelab supporting film in the movie industry, and to guys like you showing us the process for the home game and demystifying it all too. Also just as an aside, I have to give you a shout out for always being here in the comments and joining in the discussion like this. Really appreciate you taking the time for it, and it's definitely a big part of why I keep coming back for your new videos. Cheers, dude!
INCREDIBLE Quality!! Best Super8 scans i've seen !!
Yea not bad!
Amazing video! It's very interesting these "background" videos because never though the process is made this way. Thank you!
Yea it’s cool to see
Thanks so much for doing this dive into processing and scanning. I had no idea Super 8 was that crisp. Though using a Bolex camera is an experience I've dreamed about.
Oh yea - super 8 looks great
Great content as always! Me being a total noob about films it's really nice to have a glance of what's happening behind the scenes. Gracias mano.
Haha yea man. We all learned something here!
Love this documentary, educational series on film! Thanks so much. Very educational. When I saw how IMAX is 3x width of a 65 shot horizontally with 15 perforations, that really made it make sense, actually seeing the film. Much better than a diagram.
glad you liked it!
An incredible video. Brilliant stuff. Thank you.
Thanks for watching
Having shot, developed, and printed B&W 35mm stills film, it’s amazing to see how gargantuan the scale of motion picture film processing is! Thank you for this peek into the process.
yea the processing is nuts
This is a fascinating half hour of goodness, so informative and interesting, need raw 12K now!
glad you enjoyed it. the best i can do is 4k lol
Wow! I love your videos printing photos but this…love it too! 👏👏👏
Haha glad you like them both
Oh, wow. Amazing, mate. Thanks for sharing. Really great.
Glad you enjoyed
Absolutely fantastic...bravo!
thanks
Thank you folk at Cinelab, that was fascinating.
yea they are great!
Thanks for sharing this man. Grettings from Brazil!
Thanks for watching
This was awesome! Nice work Ribsy and nice shirt at the end ;)
Thanks for watching
just dazzling! thanxx
def a trip!
Amazing stuff! Thanks for content!
Thank you
Nice work, I enjoyed this one a lot.
thanks!
This was absolutely fascinating.. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed
this was so good to see!!! very informative
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well done Ribs! Fantastic video!
Thanks for watching!
Damn this is awesome! I discovered your channel recently and just subscribed. Learned so much thank you very much! Now I understand somehow better why Imax tickets are kind of expensive ^^' I didn't know 8mm was this tiny I was shocked! So cool!
welcome aboard!
Oh my GOSH Ribsy!! These tour/ documentary vids of the industry are seriously a public service! So cool!
thanks for watching
Genial vídeo! Una maravilla tanto este como el de la fábrica de Ilford. Enhorabuena!
Gracias!
This has to be one of the best suggestions from the algorithm. Who knew developing film could be so interesting!
Thanks for watching
thank you so much ribsy! very interesting
Glad you think so
This was extremely interesting, thanks for sharing.
Glad you liked it
Absolutely amazing
thanks
Great deep dive! I worked in a closed loop scanning environment for stills with the E6 process back in the 90's and this brought a lot of it back! I'd love to work for Cinelab :)
Oh yea - check their site maybe they have job openings!
great content. very informative. keep up the good work.
thanks for watching
Thank you Ribsy for this wonderful video. Greetings from Poland
cheers!
Love this content. So interesting to see BTS how this technology works on commercial scale 🙏👍
Yea exactly. So impressive at this scale
Damn this video is amazing! I study motion film and this is just perfect. Thanks so much!
Amazing. Glad it was useful
Absolutely fascinating
It is indeed!
Fascinating! Thanks!👍🤙👐
Indeed!
As an ex photo lab worker and amateur 8mm movie maker, I found this awesome.... Great job of showing the background people involved in the movie making process..
Glad you enjoyed it
Really cool! I grew up shooting on film but abandoned it like most of humanity. But it never really left me. I can tell an analog vs a digital image, and I am happy that companies like Cinelab are around to continue the great tradition of film. This is a fine documentary, well-made and informative.
There is always time to jump back in!
Back at it with another tour!!
Yea and there will be more 😀
28:00 I sow Davinci Resolve runing at background. Thanks for sharing this type of content and waiting for more !!!
Yea that’s what the pros use!
Awesome video, so interesting!
Thanks for watching!
Great inside!
thanks for watching!
this was awesome! what a treat! im old and im a cinematographer and photographer. yes, I remember the days when NOBODY would run to the camera to see the results. And I actually loaded bolex 16mm wind ups out in the field, in the black bag by hand ha ha. gawd I loved the smell in the developing room. it wasn't the scent of the chemicals, it was knowing magic was happening. Its like when I was a kid and you'd see a special effects film, when I saw those ugly blue screen matte lines, or that projected footage background I got chills, I was watching magic happen. although I wholly embraced the digital age. For what its worth weve come a long way and the offsets of working in digital is soooo worth it. Of course film will always be magic but its such an art form now. I mean it always was though.. we just didnt know we were artists back then. we were just dreamers.
Sounds like an incredible time
Jackpot Ribsy! Outstanding.
Thanks for watching
Loved this Ribsy 👏🏻👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
This is dope!
Thx you
thanks for watching
wow that super 8 footage looks insane!
Yea the scan is everything
really enjoyed this... and i subscribed :)
glad you enjoyed it
Thanks. A fascinating insight. Any more like this and the Ilford one in the pipeline?
definitely more on the way
Really interesting video!
yes indeed!
All I could think when watching this was how much of a bad day youd have at work if you accidentally exposed someones feature film to light. Great video, really enjoying the behind the scenes stuff you've been doing lately.
yea me too! scared the crap out of me
Film is on of the most beautiful inventions ever. Looks far more beatiful than digital. Scanning Film is totally okey, it preserves the look
Film lives!
That was amazing! Thnx
glad you liked it
Great video!
Thank you!
That looks like my dream job!
Haha yea it’s pretty cool
Great video, great tour, great GI Jane joke.
thanks for watching
Super feature!
yea! thanks
When you use a scaffolding to reach the rest of a machine, you know it's serious!
Thanks to you both - Eric & CineLab - for this amazing tour!
Also, what feature film were they processing?
haha yes indeed! and i don't know what film -- its a secret
That was just awesome!!!
Glad you liked it
@@ribsy so much. I wish I could work there for a summer 😊
This was great!
Thanks
Awesome video nice👌good job
thanks for watching!
Excellent a video about 35mm to 12K
Thanks for watching!
great video
Thank you!
excellent
Yup!
So interesting!
it is indeed!
Cool! :)
Good work!
thanks
Amazing!!
thanks for watching
So dope! I've always wanted to see how this process was done! How does he not cut himself when he was checking the edges for damage. 😂
I'm not sure how I missed your last few vids!
glad you enjoyed!
If you dig how it's scanned, check out how it's projected! -- czcams.com/video/pQwRYfoa7Ag/video.html
Sick!
I have a color negative slide, size 10 * 15 cm. my parents did a photo shoot in a photo salon in 1992, the camera was old (made of wood). The photographer shot them on a color film of such a large size. Now, in 2018, I digitized this slide with a scanner, I saw a very unusual effect of this slide. In the frame, the father is out of focus (he was standing behind) and the mother is in focus, but after I turned the slide over and scanned it again, and got the opposite result, already the mother was out of focus and the father in focus. I came to the conclusion that large slides retain a lot of information about the depth of field that can be selected. I did a Photoshop gluing of the frame scanned from both sides and got both parents in focus!)))
Yea better scanning tech means better digital photos
Similar process is used in high-end music recording. The analog tape, once used throughout production, is now a temporary step.
interesting
I'm intrigued by the tricolored scanning process. Really thinking about getting a 16 mil cartridge camera (they run at like 100$ with a fast prime lens) and will have to self load and process if I do because 100£ a roll is insane just for a process/scann as a consumer. Got the bug when buying film from FPP as they really market their movie film well.
yea ive been looking for a cheap one as well
wow! this is the most amazing, the most exciting, the most entertaining, the most educational video the ever hit any social media platform! I started my career as a photo developer in Junior high school, and to see this for the first time in my life, and to understand and learn how motion picture is developed, is an absolute privilege. The fact that you were able to videotape a tour of a facility like this is absolutely amazing. You can only develop a higher level of appreciation regardless of whether or not you are involved in this industry. One can only hypothesize the future of this process giving the state of of tomorrow's technology. I just glanced at your page and noticed you have videos spanning back two years, I am definitely subscribing to your channel, and I am absolutely going to watch every video you made. This channel is education at its best. Thank you!
Thanks for watching
Great to see behind the curtain on this stuff. Awesome job once again Ribsy :)
for sure thanks!
old school seems just so straight forward..
Haha. I dig it
What was that london meet up in the video? Looks fun!
look up analog.meetups on IG
Its good to understand, that scanned 12K is much more than bayer 12K. Scanners scan full RGB values, so its 3x12K (that's why it takes 3 exposures with RGB). While digital cameras shoot 1x12K (if they can shoot 12K) and interpolate 2x12K worth of data. This is why scanned film 1080p looks really good, you can go watch something like Fires of Kuwait in youtubes.
This is BTW the same reason why film scanners are always far superior to copying your negs with digital cameras.
very interesting!
Oddly, this makes me appreciate the Nikon slide scanner (with its digital negative file format NEF) landed to me...
haha yes indeed