The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly of The Carnivore Diet: What I've Learned as a Doctor (12m+) - Ep 74
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- After adopting a strict Carnivore Diet, I've seen some incredible health improvements with patients including resolving gut issues, clearing skin problems, and reducing diabetes medications. Eating just meat has helped many reduce joint pain and enabled me to de-prescribe unnecessary medications.
However, there are downsides. Some struggle with chronic diarrhoea on the Carnivore Diet and don't experience expected weight loss or energy boosts like everyone claims will happen. Some also say that the diet is too restrictive and can also cause boredom, social challenges and some get deep unhappiness with the diet.
Unfortunately, in some cases carnivore has unveiled ugly outcomes like worsening diabetes, hormone imbalances, heart attacks and complete testicular failure.
In this video, I share the good, the bad, and the ugly of what I've learned from patients who are on the carnivore diet. I discuss who may benefit from this extreme approach versus who should avoid it.
While carnivore helps some people, it's not a cure-all and we need more research on its long-term effects.
Watch to find out! Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more health and lifestyle tips. 👍😊
Timestamps
02:03 The Good
08:45 The Bad
18:18 The Ugly
Studies:
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Welcome to The Meat Medic Podcast. I'm your host Dr Suresh Khirwadkar. I'm a GP and Lifestyle Physician and I'm a practicing carnivore. I've had great success myself and with patients by following a carnivore diet, and want to spread the word about how to achieve optimal health through diet, nutrition and lifestyle changes.
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What's your experience of the Carnivore Diet been?
We don't need to be so dogmatic. The definition of a "hyper-carnivore" is 70% meat. I personally find I'm happiest and healthiest at 90% carnivore. I think it's really important to make it clear that you CAN eat something other than meat on "carnivore".
Trying 100% carnivore is a good starting point as it cuts out all the junk and stuff like oxalates, but everyone should experiment with adding things back in to see what happens - I don't think we need high levels of carbs though. I eat less than 20g a day of carbs mostly from dairy and haven't seen the same problems youve been having.
I've done it this way as that's exactly what Shawn Baker recommends trying.
It's not surprising though that your patients have the same problems as you if they are following your advice and it seems you may have something wrong about the system you are following yourself.
Were you eating grass fed beef?
Have you been following Dave Feldman's LMHR work?
Also what is your/patients exercise regimen like?
I can halve or double my cholesterol test results by fasting or eating directly before the test, so I'm not concerned about cholesterol simply because I know a "high" reading is transitory. My blood pressure on carnivore has gone from 148/110 to 122/78. Carnivore has also cured arthritis, knee pain, shoulder pain, so many things, if I eat one slice of pizza then pain comes back (and I know it's not the cheese or meat causing that issue).
Have you tried talking to e.g. Shawn or Anthony about your results and their experience in the field?
For me it works just fine. Even my total cholesterol that everybody is talking about is below 180. It's true that I haven't had health issues before. I mean not major ones. I had scalp eczema that is gone for 10 months now ( I am carnivore for 11 months), irregular periods and pretty problematic pms, wich are also solved now. I am 42. I am still in the best shape of my life so far. If something will happen, maybe I will experiment with other things. But like others say, I am sure most carnivores that have issues are doing something wrong.
i'm about 3 months in and never felt better last month i have added back in small amounts of fruit and may add small amounts of season veg next month , i think having 80%ish meat and the rest what would have found and had available when living in the woods makes sense to me, plus that is what the isotope testing seems to show when they look at very old skeletons
I started cold turkey with 100% carnivore but have to add some low oxalate food back periodically due to oxalate dumping. Then I started getting asthmatic which I found out is due to hypochloridria. So I have to cut my protein down a bit and spread it out over 3 meals instead of 1 and take BHcl. I have no gallbladder so also hv to supplement with ox bile. So far both oxalate dumping and asthmatic symptoms have lessened a lot. Hopefully in time they will disappear. You are right. A little carb is actually helpful. I feel full as it replaces the slightly reduced protein intake. My choice of carb is almost always avocado. Once my symptoms are gone and I stay this way for a few months I'm going to ramp up my protein intake......slooowwwwly. Not making the same mistake again. Then slowly wean myself off BHcl. But I think I'll stay 80% carnivore with some keto friendly plants. The great thing about going carnivore eating is...while colleagues were dropping like flies with the winter flu I'm just fine even with my asthmatic symptoms. Plus no aftermeal sleepiness or wanting snacks or reluctance to do some exercise. Best is my hair has stopped falling out.😂..I'm just being vain
Is it fasting that is missing here ? Maybe this could be the issue
I'm 76. In 2019 I was diagnosed with NAFLD, with NASH and F3-F4 fibrosis. I had previously been diagnosed with heart failure with an ejection fraction of 35%. I began a keto diet, changing to carnivore about 2 years later. A follow-up fibroscan showed my liver completely healed after 2 years and just last month my ejection fraction was measured at 60%! I have no clinical signs of heart failure and no liver disease. I will eat this way until I die, which I don't see happening any time soon.
I am 76 yo six years on carnivore diet. Never heard anyone suggesting not to do blood tests. I do them regularly, and my blood work is excellent. I was successful in getting rid of my carnivore cravings. Once or twice a year I may have a low sugar cake, be it on occasion of birthday, X-mas, but definitely not as part of daily meal plan. Contrary to your findings, I found my stress level very low, in A1c 4.8 to 5.2 range. Never would I think of quitting carnivore. The only issue I have with carnivore is that it is somehow socially isolating me. But on the other hand our friends respect it and we can have some good time together.
I don't think i've ever had my blood checked. Well, i never go to doctors.I trust but myself. It's about listening to one's own body. I'm 64 and healthy. Ppl give me 40 years of age. Sometimes i'm challenging my 30-year-old son, and he's quite athletic. I used to go to the dentist every year, and my gums were quite unhealthy. I changed my diet. First keto, then now it's mostly carnivore (very low carbs). It's been 8 years that i haven't gone to the dentist, and i don't think i'll ever see one. I don't even use toothpaste anymore, not even shampoo. Just water and brush and sometimes water flush.
He's assuming others are going to fail as he did. He could have done better troubleshooting, adjusting, and could have Consulted other carnivore doctors. He's smart about boron, but still myopic on other things.
And he said oxalates was the problem. But seed oils are a problem also. Also, those with thyroid problems will have unusual results until they deal with that problem.
And ketones build mitochondria.. so that is one reason to go long term (5 plus years). And why go back to feeling awful.
@@womanhikerone4582what an odd bunch of patients this very odd doctor sees. Just his opinion, no proper research. My experience is completely at odds with his. Dr Confused +++
Dr Confusing!
I had my first blood test (that I am aware of) last month just for curiosity sake and my LDL is off the chart oooooooooooo.. 9 month carniovore and know my body extremly well after 46 years, feel like i'm 25 when I resist the late night sugary treats for a few days 🤣🤣🤣
Cholesterol is not a risk factor for heart disease. Risk implies cause and effect, and you cannot say this. There is simply no evidence supporting your statement.
Spoiler Alert!!!🚨Centenarians have higher cholesterol than average people🚨
Amen
Whilst i agree as a whole yes risk implies cause and effect but the fact we are alive and breathing creates risk or the possibility for anything and everything.
Many factors in life can or could be responsible for anything from chronic disease to simple things like acne. Its all mostly hormone imbalance based in the beginning that manifest as we age or overtime.
Get your mix and variety of protein and associated fats, minerals like sodium, potassium, iodine etc, eat a few berries or some fruit and veg occasionally, get morning and afternoon sun and you would be about as good as your genes and lifestyle allows.
Also lets not forget people have done incredible damage to themselves over the years/decades of life that total elimination will always work at the beginning, long term is different and from what ive seen over the years watching this subject, it takes the better part of 2-4yrs to fully adapt to carnivore.
Ignore the reference ranges for the most part, they are based on bad science and studies that don't really mean anything. 100% carnivore is new for our generational age gap and more time is needed for new reference ranges.
It is a risk factor, but it's not causal in an otherwise metabolically health person. Inflammation does the damage and if there is plenty of cholesterol available, then there is more cholesterol for building of arterial plaque. i.e if you have two people with the same arterial damage, the one with more abundant available cholesterol will develop atherosclerosis quicker.
@@michpemberton2487 wrong. It is not a risk factor. End of story.
My triglycerides went from 7.2 to 0.7.
I agree with all you state here... I find amazing results when I keep to 100% Carnivore.
Having done keto for 5-6 years and carnivore for 1.5, I feel better on carnivore so I will stick with it. It’s simple keeps cravings away, it’s complete.
was shting your guts out for the first few months of carnivore worth it? lol
Oh I was shitting perfectly fine. Thanks for your concern though. In fact when I removed plants, my BMs are normal for the first time in a long time.
hmm, kale based smoothies give me really stinky farts@@tom47opm3 , so does ACV. celery based fruit smoothies are not so bad though, celery, kale, whole lemon with peel, whole orange with peel, cup of fresh lemon juice, pomegranate, kiwi, dates, blue berry, ground flax seed, flax oil, raw honey, cranberries, ginger root, and a couple squares of dark chocolate. when i go halibut fishing and eat halibut i always get the shits, i think its from the sun burns though and not the fish. i have eaten only ca. halibut for one month straight though, not something new for me, but i never realised that i was kinda on a carnivore diet, only fish but still could be considered a carnivore diet. in summer and fall all i eat is tons of fish and salad. i am always muscular and fairly lean with undying energy.
I have a similar experience, did clean keto for 4 years prior to carnivore, but suffered constant bloating and cravings. It's been 3 years for me now being strict carnivore, all but one of my healthy problems have gone away and the other does better. I was bed ridden for 10 years and keto stop me getting worse but carnivore has given me a life again. If I come off of it the relentless cravings return and after a short period my health deteriorates rapidly. I'm glad we have found something that works.
what was your diet before you went carnivore @@elleymiller2563 ? processed fake food?
No problem at all eating meat every day. 4 years now. When I am hungry a steak is beautiful. I couldn't do dairy or eggs & would love to do them again. Eggs particularly due to health benefits. Do I want to return to ill health. No way, so easy choice for me. Real easy. 15 years of hell. Never again
I have a similar result... Dairy and eggs are problematic for me as soon as I have a bit of heavy cream I get depression. I struggle with keeping to 100% Carnivore, but I keep striving to get there. I am five and a half years into it at this point in time... I believe in the Carnivore way of eating for so many heath benefits I have had.
Been 7 months on Carnivore with no problems. Makes me wonder what his patients weren’t telling him.
@@AnneMB955IfTheDocIsNot100%thenPatientsWillNotBeAlso.
They were using seeds oil instead animals fat to cook the meats
I had osteoporosis. I'm 67. I used to smoke cigarettes 9 years ago. and drank beer all the time. Stop drinking beer all together because of the carbs and switch to Bourbon.
My pants size was 38 and after 2 weeks on the carnivore diet it was 31. The size I was when I was 18 years old. This is a rough start to the diet so if you're not healthy don't do it this way.
4 months on the carnivore diet corrected the problems of osteoporosis. Arthritis in my hand didn't allow me to pick things up and they wanted to put me on steroids. Instead I smoked marijuana. It helped a lot. On the carnivore diet I don't need marijuana cuz there is no inflammatory. There is no tooth decay. There is no melanoma, basil skin cancer. No PK's. There is no prostate cancer.
You have to fast on the carnivore diet to clear clots. If you sit around and just eat meat you'll have a heart attack. Eat until you're full and then don't eat for another day.
Allow your ketones to work.
I would say just as important as a blood test is to get an ultrasound and check for clotting.
Red meat is not cancerous.
Dr Ken Berry suggested adding iodine, essential minerals and electrolytes
when you're on the diet.
Your missing the point, most of the reason people need to cut out all sugar is because it leads to other bad eating habits. And if you only eat when your hungry meat tastes delisious every time. Learning to know the difference between actually being hungry and having a craving is key.
Totally agree. Carnivore is sustainable long term. I’m willing to bet his patients were slipping in some carbs on the side.
This has been my favorite outcome of carnivore so far - I have zero cravings for anything sweet and it is the first time since I was 12 that I have been free from food obsession.
31 years constantly obsessing about my food, when I can get my next fix, but not to much, but when can I have those chips/chocolate/bread based on my calorie restrictions. So mentally destructive and still overweight.
I find I actually don’t really know what to do with the free mental space, now. Very liberating, nonetheless.
So many poorly supported assumptions like "elevated homocysteine means your body is unhappy". What if elevated homocysteine is not actually problematic and is simply a response to a shift in resources? More folate may mean the body needs less homocysteine, but that doesn't mean homocysteine is inherently signaling a problem. The body has lots of alternative pathways to accomplish tasks under different nutrient loads.
Maybe but maybe not
He describes all the benefits and yet he quits it. And as a Dr. he remains too smart to believe his own senses. He said nothing and he took a long time to say it. No thanks.
watch the previous episodes as to why he quit - He is still in the low carb area and not advocating SAD
He is a pure muppet
I have watched a few of my coworkers over the years, steadily developing multiple health issues and they all know that I am carnivore but they will not start themselves because their doctors have all told them that it is not good. They see me, older than most all of them, in considerably better shape than even the youngsters but the Dr is an Authority figure and they're not going to do anything but follow the path (to the grave apparently).
Dont be so dogmatic and cultish
@@kayn6858 What do you mean? What is dogma?
Thank you for your video... I started Carnivore in October of 2018, however, I was never able to be 100% true to eating only animal products, I continued to drink coffee and occasionally ate some other foods. I kept to about 95% Carnivore for now more than five years. I continue to have diarrhea whenever I eat a steak. I have not lost any weight, but the benefits have been so amazing that I will continue to eat mostly animal products and perhaps one of these days I will eliminate the coffee and not slip on having some carbs here and there... I have eliminated a lifetime of bleeding gums, shed about 100 skin tags, eliminated a huge growth on my leg that I had for 40 years, stopped having morning "sand" in my eyes, and the most important for me, when I keep to strict Carnivore I eliminate arthritis pain. When I go off the strict Carnivore, the arthritis pain comes back. I have not had any vegetables for more than five years. Perhaps the patients you mention may not have kept to 100% Carnivore as it is near impossible to do. I truly believe that even having coffee is detrimental, but I am an addict.
Excellent post m'lady. I'm just starting now with eliminating most of the crap and will likewise try to start at about 95% carnivore until I get used to it. I have eye boogers and skin tags as well that I need to get rid of
i have the same issues with beef. thats histamine intolerance. beef is always aged for around 30 days before its sold so a lot of histamine built up. try lamb. it is not aged. dont store it in the fridge for more then 24 hours.
@@Anton-tl1vf Thank you, I have suspected the histamine issue, but didn't know how to exactly prove that. I do eat lamb and yes, I have noticed the difference. I think I will make a point of eating more lamb as I see beef has increased in cost so much and lamb is now less costly than beef when in the past it was always much more costly than beef. Last week ribeye steaks were $27.70 per pound in my local supermarket and fresh lamb shoulder steaks were $8.59 per pound... I wish I had bought more of the lamb. I do eat some chicken and some pork, but prefer ruminant animal meats. Ribeyes were on sale yesterday for $21.88 per pound, so I bought 34 of them.... The butcher was really upset and refused to sell me that many, but I insisted... he is always mean to me, but few choices of where to buy meat here where I live as we don't have a Costco here.
I was thinking the same, his patients might not have follow a strict carnivore. Going into my 3year now.
We try to get the best possible health
I found that strict carivore is the best way to reset our metabolism. After around 90 days I think it's important to experiment by adding one other food at a time a see how your body reacts. Each person is different so we need to navigate by listening to our bodies to see what works best❤❤
Great advice.
Seems reasonable to me !
I am a person who thrives on a ketovore/carnivore way of eating. I lost 85lbs and have maintained it, I'm off of insulin and asthma medication, my eczema completely cleared up and I was able to reduce my medication for rheumatoid arthritis to half of what I used to take. I already have osteoporosis so coming off of inhaled corticosteroids is a big win along with the other big wins. My biggest win: I am no longer hungry all the time. I eat twice a day and feel fine in between. Oh, and I'm disabled and cannot go for "long walks," so my successes are purely achieved through dietary changes. I was already NOT consuming grains (even "whole grains") as they increased my glucose levels quite a bit. The only changes I made were I stopped consuming: artificial sweeteners, fruit and all but the lowest carb (& low oxalate) of vegetables. If you are wondering my triglycerides are 48, my LDL is 94, CHOL/HDL ratio is 2.0, and my TRILG/HDL ratio is an amazing 0.47!!! I don't eat for entertainment, I eat for nutrition and to not feel hungry.
I have been very low-carb for nine years.
I think one of the big missing pieces is fasting, I started following a fasting lifestyle with low carb refeed.
Overtime, I moved to animal based before it was fashionable. I just couldn't be bothered to count carbs .
So this included meat, fish, eggs and dairy .
Even when I was just doing mixed very low-carb, my lipid panels raised dramatically .
so for me, this isn't to do with carnivore eating per se.
I am now eating just meat, but nose to tail including organs and things like that.
Because my lipid panels were so high I had a CAC scan and it was 0
However, my doctors in their wisdom wanted me to see a Chemical Pathology consultant who said my high levels of LDL would have already given me arthrosclerosis he was unaware of my 0 CAC
He had some cognitive dissonance with the 0 score, so we agreed that he would order a CT angiogram with Iodine contrast. I had it last week.
There is no atherosclerosis.
I'm 60 years old and my last lipid panel two weeks ago, had a Total of 15.5 mmol
LDL 13.2mmol (about 510mg/dl)
It's difficult to know what to say, but in my own personal circumstances, these are my results, and I have no arteriosclerosis. I do not have the genetics for familial hypercholesteraemia either.
Over the Christmas period I have to say I indulged in some sugar treats and I had a lipid panel done and my lipids went down by 38% for me. This speaks to the lipid energy model that is being experimented with.
I can get these high lipids with extended fasts say 4 days no food.
so this cannot have anything to do with what I eat it is what my body is mobilising.
I simply don't think my body is making a mistake and as I don't have any heart disease, it seems that is the case.
I've just been back through your "what I eat in a day" video with the downloadable guide and you say you are eating 1500-1800 calories a day - THIS IS NOT ENOUGH!!
A man your size doing any amount of excercise, especially on carnivore, should be eating closer to 3000 calories a day - do a fast if you want to drop weight.
Your approach of trying to average everything out and then do "average" every day is whats hurting your health, you need to feast and fast, on the days you do eat you should be really full, not 1500 calories, thats rediculously low.
Back in the wild, Wheres the carnivore diet for dummies that states that load of jargon? It didn't exist. So who really knows or is meant to know the amount of calories you meant to eat? We don't even truly know how much protein we're meant to eat. All we know is, the quality of meat when we eat it and we eat until we're full.
Your argument is pretty irrelevant..
I totally agree. You nailed it. I hope he does his homework more thoroughly before posting another video like this.
Completely fat-adapted thanks to carnivore (3 yrs). I run 100 mi/wk eating only ruminants, water & salt. Because of the weekly mileage, often in triple-digit summer temps, I take electrolyte supplements. My quarterly blood markers are always optimal, including minerals. My LDL (the other good cholesterol) is >300 mg/dL because I'm a LMHR.
It would be nice if you included why the cholestoral was oxidized????? I'would bet they were consuming something not carnivore.
It gets oxidized naturally by introducion of oxidized foods from cooking and glycation from sugar. This doesn't imply its a huge issue but it does do something. It's a nice theory that they were consuming something non-carnivore but we don't really know. this is the problm with anecdotes.
@@MallchadWhere does the sugar come from? GNG?
I'm very much in the Dr. Eric Westman camp concerning diets. There is no one size fits all diet. Some thrive on carnivore and others have issues. In general, I believe it is now accepted that a low carb high animal protein diet is beneficial for overall health. How extreme you want to make it, is up to you and your own body.
Yes, Dr. Westman is great. Dr. Robert Cywes as well
Dr Ken Berry's wife Neisha is Ketovore and on her vlog eats some veg
@@DrAJ_LatinAmerica Dr. Robert Cywes each year has "April " specials like magical Nepalese elixars and sth african earrings and remember peoples I said early April
That sounds good on the surface, but where in nature are animals of the same species crafting bespoke diets?
@@godsofcrypto where in nature are there animals exactly like humans other than humans?
Thanks for the video. I have been on carnivore (well not strictly all the time, but most of the time) for 7 years. I was on keto for 1 year before carnivore. In general, all my health markers improved except HPB which stayed at 160-140/120-100. This was the same before keto (even with medicine), 1 year after keto and even 7 years after carnivore. However, I do check my other metabolic markers to make sure its not causing damage, like CAC scan. It is really strange for me as I also test myself with CGM, I can see that I don't have glucose spikes that would explain high insulin. I am definitely insulin sensitive as it takes 1 hour to clear my BG down to below 5.5 after a carby meal (I was testing my BG response). I do have a mid-belly which I feel could be the cause. My current weight hovers around 76kg (but I suspect my ideal is 68 kg) which is about 2 kg up from my initial weight lost plateau as I also when on a reserve dieting protocol, which increase my weight back to 80 before dropping to currently 76 kg. This helped change my body composition and I am stronger now and I am able to fast easier, before that at 74 or even below, I was constantly cold as I was trying hard to drop weight and when I tried to fast, I had headaches. Over 7 years, there have been bouts of energy swings and sleepless nights, even on carnivore, but they resolved over time. Even my eczema is not fully recovered, since I do eat a bit dirty some of the times and I may still have fats releasing toxins over time. As for my HPB, I have been trying different things like supplements with potassium and other stuff to see how they move the needle. My carnivore journey is not straight forward and moves around all the time, because circumstances change as I getting better or sometimes fall sick or don't feel so well or as I have different targets.
I think my point is that some people go into carnivore because that is the only choice by, they didn't want to, some go into carnivore because they think its going to solve all the problems all at one (forgetting that we have accumulated those issues over 20-30 years) and yet others go into without proper understanding and thing that its either do or die. I think the overly positive message we see on youtube success stories does fuel all these unrealistic expectations. Secondly, addiction, personal habits, social and family pressure also plays into why some people feel so dreaded to be "stuck" on a carnivore diet, I mean we could say the same of vegan diet. Those we are successful and continue to eat this way stay this way because we understand its benefits and we are able work on our addiction, personal habits and social/family pressures, this may be the case for some others.
Lastly, I wonder if you could share or discuss those unsuccessful stories with the likes of Dr. Shawn Baker, Dr. Elizabeth Bright, Judy Cho, Dr. Georgia Eades (mental health), Dr Ken Berry, Dr. Paul Mason. In the carnivore community, we welcome unsuccessful stories, because this is where we learn and I am sure these practitioners would very much like to understand problems people are getting on the carnivore diet and why it may not benefit them, so that we have more comprehensive approach to health. It is interesting that you are getting all clients who were unsuccessful with carnivore, but because the details are lacking its hard to understand what is truly wrong with their approach if any. I do hope that you collab with carnivore doctors/nutritionists to discuss all these negative effects case studies, they would certainly be very interesting to listen to.
Nobody has to stay carnivore, but it's smart to not ever eat processed foods. Starches are OK for healthy people, but they just are not optimal. Vegetables are OK if you can handle them, but I do best on carnivore. There is nothing wrong with eating just meat for many people.
Why not just state, hey eat more meat and fat, it's okay. Naturally if you did, you would not overload on anything else like veggies or fruit. Which isn't bad if you don't over eat it. Same goes for carbs. If you already full from meat, you wouldn't seek carbs. Maybe just a little. 😅😅
"There is nothing wrong with eating just meat for many people."
Except deadly boredom. I love all the cuisines of the world, not processed food but real food freshly made, and that includes every type of food ingredient --- meat, fish, dairy, veg, fruit, bread, starch, and yes some lovely homemade desserts.
Not to mention wine. Everything in moderation.
@@TedATL1 So you use food as an entertainment source? I understand what you mean. If we didn't have food as something to do for entertainment, that would only leave music, television, movies, radio, smart phones, the internet, concerts, plays, lectures, reading, writing, sports, conversation, school, camping, fishing, hunting, video games, board games, cards, a good hobby, etc. I can see why you need to eat lots of entertaining, fun foods. You might run out of things to do...
@@filoniz I do cheat though, when I'm in the mood, then I just go back to carnivore.
@@ClassicJukeboxBand
I could ask the reverse --- is food nothing but fuel and medicine? Preferably ingested in the most efficient manner, possibly intravenously? No, it is a rich part of human civilisation --- rather richer than "board games, cards, and video games." The vast array of cuisines, dishes, and products have been created over millenia by every human society......for our PLEASURE, just like art and music. Should architecture be merely functional boxes, or should it also be beautiful, for our PLEASURE?
Terrible, eh? Moreover, the dining experience is a fundamental social and communal part of life. But yea, just wolf down a steak and get out of there.
Have you ever watched a different news network then the one you usually watch? That’s how I felt after watching this video. I did tough it out though and got to the end and there it was.. the sales pitch for his own program Primal Fusion Diet. Surprise Surprise!!
I have been a carnivore for years and have some of the best blood work results around. 55 years old with low triglycerides and a 5.1 A1C. I really think this Dr needs to talk with Dr S. Baker and the other super stars that are killing it on the carnivore diet.
Yeah, there's a lot missing in here and I struggle to understand how he can come the conclusions he stated. Firstly, what are the people with problems actually eating and for how long? How about their past diet...what did they do? How about intolerances/allergies...dairy, eggs?! What has been done to heal leaky gut and fix patient's microbiome? Are those people still taking medication (big deal)? What's his confidence level in respective patients sticking to the actual diet they claim to do...slip ups...something like, "yeah, went on a piss the other day...doesn't happen often...forgot to mention"?! So, it's all a bit blurry I find. Fact is, looking at his recommended diet from an evolutionary point of view, this makes no sense at all...the plants weren't available at all...they simply didn't exist (let alone 24/7 365 days a year). Another thing, animal based diet doesn't mean you're consuming carbs. Butter and eggs do not contain carbs.
It would be nice to have that info as it might shed some light on the subject one way or another. There are thousands of things we still don't know about carnivor. I would consider it an experimental diet to a degree. Given what diet isn't an experiment. Basically monitor your bio marks if you care about your health.
I'm starting to believe he did not read Sally K. Norton's book, or maybe he skimmed it and didn't read it carefully (e.g. during his interview with Norton, she had to correct him on something with a footnote in her book which I remember reading; he clearly did not). EVERYTHING appears to be explained by oxalate overload. When you go carnivore you give up oxalate, and like Sally said, the body starts clearing oxalate too quickly in some people, so for those individuals, you need to slow down the oxalate purge by eating some oxalate. The truth is there is rarely such a thing as a pure herbivores or carnivore. Cats (big and small) are carnivores, but they sometimes eat grass, for example. Deer are considered herbivores, but in reality we find them eating snakes and birds. The truth is the medical industrial complex (not my term) is so far in the weeds this physician is still towing the line on so many things. For example, stop worrying about cholesterol! Some of the healthiest people on earth have high cholesterol levels. Lastly, he admits this is anecdotal, but it's worse than that. These are all his patients following his advice having similar problems. If he thinks getting folate and zinc is hard on a carnivore diet, he is completely ignorant of what a carnivore diet should look like.
@@bdm1000, yeah, I don't trust him. He should make an interview with Chaffee or Paul Mason and talk to them about his problems with carnivore. They are more competent and have more experience on that matter.
And his comment that 'maybe it's just a zero oxalate diet...'but you can do zero oxalate without it being Carnivore'
How? When I search for zero oxalate foods, they're all Carnivore foods 🤔
Dr Berg just released an interesting video on his brief trial with carnivore.
This doc is also still advising keto with
Do you know that they weren’t doing a Salad boy style carnivore? For the d2 patients.
If all of what you are saying is true. It makes it hard to believe that others including myself is still getting better after 20 months. I might suggest the people just can’t do this lifestyle or stress over it which is worse.
I had this experience, I tried carnivore, felt great but had SO much anxiety about only being able to eat certain foods that I stopped, and now I stick with animal-based and feel great physically and mentally.
But... that is carnivore.
@@EyreEver😂
How do you know all these alleged problems are not from the release of stored oxalates? After all, Sally Norton mentions in her book that it might take a person months, years or even decades to purge their oxalate. Like she also states in her book, you need to realize that while all these random oxalate-related problems come and go over the course of time, we also have to be aware of our overall health improving, even if that means taking three steps forward and chronically taking two steps back over the long haul.
Tears of joy - when you say they can eat something else rather than meat - come on, I can't believe you are making an argument based on that. We all know that any change we want in life must first happen in our head/mind, we have to set our mindset to be successful in making changes. Therefore, if you know that there is a diet that will improve your health you have to be determined to follow that diet, not have tears of joy when somebody tells you you can eat out of diet borders. This means you haven't clarified in your head what you want and the idea of change failed before you even started the diet.
I suspect this might explain the increasing insulin after an initial drop. They cave and start eating carbs again but are embarrassed to tell him.
Nonsense.
@@richcollinsyt exactly. People do lie. Backwards rationalize.
Good to have these sharing and conversations-thanks Doc.
In my case Severe cramps: was not the diet but me not giving myself enough salt.
Low energy was not the diet but me not eating enough meat and or there were other factors at play (trauma/grief that i was holding on too or that I was processing which required extra energy)
Self governance in relationship to food is where freedom lies. Misery I will be inviting if I outsource all my authority onto another person for what my body needs and how to make Carnivore work for me.
Steak and mince did not make me or my body happy!
i tried lamb and lamb fat instead. I Love it!! Every time!! Every now and then i will have middle bacon, pork belly or chicken for variety.
Now I have my life back-i can play guitar again, i can play tennis again, i can dance again. I can fall sleep with a quiet and peaceful mind. My anxiety is gone. My joint pain is gone. My lower back pain is gone.
I recently was feeling some fatigue after 3 years on animal based/carnivore.
I found one of Chris Masterjohns videos about Riboflavin. Got a supplement and got back to feeling like I did when I started this diet within 24 hours.
He talks about how you require much more Riboflavin with a high fat diet. Working well for me!
Thank you, Dr. first time seeing one of your videos I subscribed, and will be looking forward to seeing your other videos. lots of information based on your experience with your patience, I think you nailed it on the head as being a great elimination diet in the short term not sustainable in the long-term, and you actually have patient data to back that up
Thank you so much for this critique of the carnivore diet. Really appreciate your insight. ❤
Thank you very much for your honest update ❤
I have been on the carnivore diet for about a year now, and I have not experienced any of these problems that you're mentioning. Maybe because I do a more varied version of it, including meat, fish, eggs, and occasionally cheese.
Thank you dr. Suresh , I greaťly appreciate your honesty,knowledge and experience.
Thank you Doctor from what I feel is a very honest and learned opinion. Since the medical community hasn’t studied the carnivore diet i feel we’re heading out on our own, something I feel more comfortable with than listening to the medical community that has overseen the explosion of chronic disease over my lifetime (58 years young). I’m at day 60 of carnivore and I haven’t lost weight but I’m V’ing out. Did a DEXA scan this month and I’m at the top of my age category for lean mass and bone density, not saying carnivore did that but as you say I think it has reduced my retained water that carb most definitely cause. The “good” I’ve seen is I’m getting more lean which is my goal, the DEXA said I had 60 lb of fat which needs to come down but I believe it will not fully transfer to the scale as I am still building muscle, again I do not know if this is due to the carnivore diet, also I’ve reduced bowel excretion by 6x! I feel my bowels have had a chance to rest and have strengthened! Just getting used to the different bowel movement schedule hasn’t been bad just different. I haven’t experienced any bad yet but am doing blood tests in a month so will monitor those closely for any drastic changes. Great video.
This and your previous video provide an excellent perspective. The entire oxalate dumping hypothesis is a bit of a conundrum for me. We are amazingly complex so any one modality for promoting health is too reductionist. I appreciate your insight!
I agree. I did keto and intermittent fasting when I started. Dropped wt. Fast. Didn't know about any flu involved but it's very real. I never gave up oxalate. I was eating protein fat vegetables blueberries even sweet potatoes n spinach, Broccoli etc. I've never given up oxaltes. My opinion is the symptoms are going from sugar burning to fat burning some detoxification and the adjustment of electrolytes during the transition. Frequent urination n muscle cramps, loss of sleep yet higher energy. I've adjusted.
Big question is why do carnivores need electrolytes daily?
I have been carnivore for 13 months. I am so happy you are doing this as you are one of the few who are giving us good information and not propaganda. I only want good health, not the approval of the cult or the guru.
you're intelligent bc thats what matters most thats the whole point
I think there's something off about you. I don't doubt your sincerity and honesty with your work however you seem like someone I could never trust -- it's the vibe I get. Regardless, I think your information is valuable. I've been doing carnivore for over 8 months and I believe you were doing it wrong but that's my opinion and I'm not sure exactly what went wrong with your diet.
I suspect your electrolyte levels may not have been adequate but there are other issues that could have happened like eating too much protein or not enough fat. Anyways, thanks for your work.
I'm just surmising here because no one really knows. But our ancestors seem to have thrived on a animal based diet. Modern society however, has exposed our bodies to much more mental stress, chemicals , forever plastics etc. So just eating the way they did will not solve all the issues of our damaged bodies. In ancient times their adrenal levels obviously either spiked during a hunt or being chased (fight or flight). So their increased cortisol was almost always combined with intense physical activity. However we don't have that today, our stress is caused by other people during work seated at our desks.
Which is why I added in intense exercise for a short period every single day (sprints, jumping up a ledge jumping far as possible, pushups, squats etc - I just do one of those things a day for a few minutes). For me it worked after about 2 weeks of doing it religiously. I aslo added in some walks and gentle bike rides. It seems to flush out the cortisol and let you feel great again. The difficulty is doing this when you are feeling depressed and fatigued - which is where my wife is at. But every time she gets to exercise, she improves brilliantly.
We also kniw that dopamine is raised by successful hunt too!
Well-formulated Ketogenics, then Ketovore, then Carnivore worked great for 2 1/2 years: Fibromyalgia symptoms gone, blood sugars down from 120's to 80's, better sleep, BMI WNL, happier, more energy, etc, etc. Then it just stopped. 2/3 of the weight came back & many of the health gains retreated (somewhat, not fully). Nothing changed this new state. No combo of macros, no changes in activity level, not even fasting! Since I was tracking intake the entire time, I know that my macro composition did not change. When I went back to Ketogenics, I felt a little better, but in order to have any reasonable degree of get-up-and-go I have to use exogenous ketones. Thanks for the tip about oxalates; I'll give them a try.
Your comment about oxalates was very interesting. I am on carnivore to help with palmar plantar psoriasis. I noticed a worsening of psoriasis at the beginning. I immediately thought of Dr. Pagano and his book, "Healing Psoriasis". In it, he mentions patients following his protocol experiencing a "die off". I have wondered whether that had to do with oxalate dumping. 90 days in, eating beef, lamb, bacon, egg yolks, butter and salt, with very occasional liver, fish, chicken or other pork. Weight loss is not as dramatic as for some (I want that, too!), but weight is down and body is reshaping. Skin looks a bit better, and it feels like it is not thickening as much, which makes me wonder whether the accelerated skin cell production is tapering off. All in all, I am very pleased. I promised the family that I would do a full blood and urine work-up after three months, and it now time. Hoping for good results.
Hmmm…. This is very much a N=1 review… so am taking with large grains of salt…. Seems that stress is a major factor underlying a lot of the emergent problems rather than carnivore in of itself… but again… no real information to determine the direction of causation or indeed if there is any causation in the first place… comes across as very much a “what I feel” commentary…. Does indicate the need for some more research on these points though….
For me… T1D for 41 years and 100% carnivore… I’ve no problem with the eating restrictions (I have to anyway) and I’ve not experienced any of the problems discussed…. Lucky me perhaps…. Al blood tests OK….
Has the good Doctor spoken to the other 'carnivore' Doctors? Would be nice to see what they have got say.
Of course not 😂
I wish he would've done that first, before quitting, and advising patients, and making videos on it.
I think he has a food addiction that won. He just couldn't live without some junk food anymore
I am interested to hear the other doctors response to this video. This left me confused because there was no information about the alternative diet. It was named P. Something which is a weird name and I have no idea how to say or spell it so I can look it up. Doc. You left us hanging here concerning the alternative diet.
@@jayhart4134 You've never heard of it because he made it up. He's calling it Primal Fusion.
He's also being dishonest with himself and others in order to promote a new business idea. He's hoping he will catch the attention (and money) of all of the people who just couldnt stick to a carnivore diet
@@misse2013 I came here to write exactly what you've said. He is working with a plan to sell his new diet plan. Looking at all the comments I know all the n=1 examples here and in the rest of our carnivore community is what I need to trust, not one person's opinion who is trying to create a new diet plan.
In time things go down significantly… which would suggest your initial comment that when asked what they’re eating they say they’re eating sugar. They start off well, things are looking great and then the addictions creep back in, they get tests and they’re markers look worse.
Great video. Have seen patients with many of the same issue/ experiences. Plus have many incredibly healthly athletes and military personnel who are not strict carnivores but zero issues, zero blood markers out of range, very strong, lots of energy,.... Amazing how many people only want to hear what they want to hear. As you said, not RCT'S, these are actual patients, anecdotal information but still real human patients. The world is filled with dogma and zealots. Don't worry, be happy. Eat meat eggs seafood fish..... awesome. And if you need other items, great. And your friend Bart talks about drinking Beer. We know alcohol is toxic. No one is perfect. Human nature. With all diets, case by case, person by person. Many rare conditions. If fact, millions x millions have "rare" conditions. Never assume someone is cheating on their diet. Life is probably cheating them with vehicle / exhaust manufacturing pollution, contaminated drinking water, toxic chemicals in the air / water, stress, lack of sleep, broke no job, no money, in a wheelchair, maybe no eye sight, maybe no friends ir family living in a slave camp in Africa or USA slave camp. There are a lot of real people dealing with real shit. Ukraine, Israel, Honduras, Venezuela,.... So many negative comments without knowing the background of the people looking for help. Over a billion people living on beans and rice. Another billion only slightly better. Yes people here complaining if someone eats an avocado. Crazy
I started carnivore diet for multiple reasons (gut related) and didn’t realize my arthritis pain would go away. Such a happy surprise. I have started adding add in blueberries and/or prunes to see if I can get my gut motility fixed.
So… does your recommended long term diet maintain Ketosis or not? I’m confused by your message.
If you feel good then yes If not then add some carbs
In your carb equation of 10 to 15
Would heavy cream count? I use about 10 grams a day with cream. Plus about 3 gm of cocoa
If they are eating fructose of any source, this will increase triglycerides but not show anything in hba1c tests
After initial (and wonderful) relief from IBS/SIBO, hemorrhoids, heartburn, depression, anxiety, arthritis, skin tags, return of strength and good energy, and a lot of other things from strict carnivore, I never had any weight loss and thought I was doing something wrong. So I went onto 'Lion Diet' (only beef, salt and water) for a few months but still no weight loss and I stopped experiencing any additional healing that I had been hoping for. I also have had a return of some heartburn, hemorrhoids, indigestion, mucus excretion in my throat upon eating anything, lowered energy, diarrhea and heart flutterings, and some tenderness in the liver area on the right side. I don't have a gall bladder, if that means anything. I got covid twice after 13 years of never getting sick prior to carnivore. I reduced the quantity of meat and upped the fat and eggs, thinking I was getting to much protein or having an allergic reaction, but that didn't help. Next, I will get some bloodwork done to see what my levels are, but after 20 months of no weight loss and continued chronic low-level inflammation and all the other issues I mentioned, I'm thinking that I'm in the category of people that Carnivore helped only temporarily. I'm super disappointed, and I will continue to include grass-finished beef, butter and eggs in my diet, but I think I'm not meant to eat ONLY meat long-term, and will have to re-introduce low-oxalate foods... I'm so glad you addressed this, because I was totally lost and confused for a really long time. Curious about the Primal Fusion diet you mentioned...
sory to hear all these simptoms. did you ever tested Thyrioid gland hormones.. TSH, T4, T3 free T3 and reverse T3..all these simptoms sound like low thyroid to me. You can try to find videos of Dr.Bright on Thyriod health..it may help..😊
I experienced si ilar symptoms lately , will definitely check my thyroid , especially T3 and other lab values. Have no gallblader and feeling R abd. pain when fasting, feeling more tired and frustrated with my diet now. Good luck.
I experienced si ilar symptoms lately , will definitely check my thyroid , especially T3 and other lab values. Have no gallblader and feeling R abd. pain when fasting, feeling more tired and frustrated with my diet now. Good luck.
@@mejda07 I think you're right. I watched a Dr. Berry video just a couple of days ago in which he interviewed Dr. David Brownstein about iodine, and it completely resonated. I've upped my iodine intake (by a lot), and am observing the effects now. Hopefully this will help. Fingers crossed! Thanks!!
There are many many low oxalate foods. Start eating berries and certain greens to start.
Good morning 😊. I’m in month 7 carnivore The inches are soooo. Slooooow to come off. I starved myself through out my life trying to stay trim. I developed hypothyroidism and I’m on meds for life according to my doctor. Carnivore has stabilized my hypotension and hypoglycemia and healed my dry eye syndrome and for that I have decided to stay on it. I’m going for blood work on Monday and my dr is going to freak. I’m guessing my cholesterol will be through the roof or maybe I will be pleasantly surprised 🤞🏻. Because he will try to force me on statins and where I live , having a family doctor is a privilege and he will fire me as his patient if I don’t do as he says. Ego/fear. Sigh. I do take supplements because I don’t believe I can get all the nutrition I need from meat. I take C, D3, A, Zinc, selenium, lutein for my eyes and sometimes magnesium if I start getting leg or foot cramps Love your videos because you are realistic. I can’t relate to people who are 100% positive about carnivore because I am not. Have a great weekend❤
Yes after 120 days strict Carnivore and I ran into issues heavy palpitations and electrolyte changes made zero difference, One week of adding in carbs and they were gone.
Forgot to mention that really appreciate you questioning everything. We don't want to end up like the other mob & be blind to everything.
One key issue you are describing here is people's bad relationship with food. Are they eating to live, or living to eat?
Most humans want what they want due to an emotional trigger, especially when it comes to food. We have a bad relationship with food. Food is nutrients to sustain life. Nothing more, nothing less. A buncha toddlers we are, " I WANT I WANT I WANT!!" (Most people from a first world country have this issue)
What should be sitting badly is someone is crying about eating a different food. Purely an emotional response from a bad relationship with food.
The human race really needs to go back to having food scarcity instead of living in this time of plenty. Interesting how so many food based diseases and disorders are from countries where food is bountiful and we seem to be less resilient, or more sickly, as well.
Agreed. I’m leaning more and more toward feast/famine being probably most of magic the bullet. And not the daily fast of IF (that it works for some/many is fine, and great), but the extended fasts. When we do feed, it is very likely hypercarnivore, as defined. Above all of this, stay clear of what seems to be ~90-95% of the food chain, produced by man. Everything about our environment makes it extremely difficult and antisocial to remain healthy, for most humans.
I don't t hink its mature or responsible to call people toddlers just because they can't tolerate eating nothing but meat all day every day. There are real neurological reesponses going here and changing diet and taste pallete so drastically is pretty jarring both to the mind and body which has to prepare for it.
Many of your points seem connected to protein/fat ratio on the diet. Are your patients eating at least 1 to 1.5 gram of fat for every 1 gram of protein?
I think big brother has threatened him and that's why he has changed his attitude on the carnivore diet. He hasn't told us the reason why he has stopped the carnivore diet. Have these patients been injected with the MRNA?
BS go back and look at a recent vlog where he quits Carni for explanations - he is still a fan of a low carb approach
Any chance you can run this through Dr Chaffee for fun? Or Ken Berry.. I love this input. I notice during Berry’s Monday night live when people are able to list their stats and ask a question, the interaction is incredibly educational.
Are you in communication with Nick Norwitz, Dave Feldman, etc on this?
I’m using this to heal my kiddo so I can’t just go with feelings. Even though her life is so much less painful & emotional, I cannot look away and just say everything is settled. Science doesn’t work like that until they become facts.
I’ve reached out to people… crickets. Plus this is my experience with my patients, there’s nothing to ‘run past’ others.
I have noticed a lot of mixed results for different people. I think it's ultimately the healthiest viewpoint to acknowledge that there's no one size fits all. There are so many factors involved and we're all essentially experimenting on ourselves. But I appreciate and can trust someone like yourself who isn't blindly dogmatic, who remains open to evidence, even anecdotal can teach us things. It was opening my mind up past the Dietary Guidelines and low fat dogma of the last 50 years that brought me to low carb a few years ago, after first taking wheat out of my diet. That alone brought my blood pressure down and got off meds. So someone who jumps straight to carnivore may not know exactly what the problem causers were. I found a reverse elimination approach to be very helpful. There are just so many variables, add to that people's individuality and it creates a lot of questions. I'm still figuring out the best things for me. What I do know is that I will never go back to seed oils, processed foods or high carb. Also, minerals have been stripped away from the soils, and that alone makes me think everyone would benefit from certain supplements no matter what diet you're on.
Wait a minute, but it’s OK for our foods that we buy in the grocery store to be supplemented and our fruits and vegetables to be altered supposedly for our benefit??
what is extremely HIGH total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and who set up this limit? Is it based on averages for the total population? Is there a scientific study that HIGH LDL cholesterol or total cholesterol causes higher mortality? in the absence other comorbidities? Because that's what my GP told me that my LDL is sky high (8 months 90 % carnivore) but I refused. It is the best I ever felt in my entire life. all my issues are resolved. I did notice my glucose meter showing higher readings in the morning! So I am not sure, my GP do not know how to advise me. It is up to me to fix myself since GP's do not have the time nor the proper training to advise on metabolic health. Thank God there are a few Dr's on YT I can learn from.
I've had a few goes at strict carnivore and the benefits for me were a few less aches and pains, better digestion and a degree of mental clarity. At 71 I'm lucky to have no significant issues and i can say that at least from a medical perspective I've had extensive blood work immunologically and biochemically ,Pet scans and CT scans really over- the -top long term regular tests of all kinds monthly for about a year now. I'm fairly athletic (run 6 k a day) and fairly muscular which probably explains why I lost only 2 kg on carnivore over a 6 month period. I've always been 85 to 90 Kgs all my life at 185 cms tall but now I'm 95 kgs. I gave carnivore away recently and went for my interpreted version of a traditional Japanese diet. I eat 3 meals a day , no more intermittent fasting or OMAD I eat small meals of meat and rice with tiny serves of veg like broccoli no root veg or leafy veg ,miso soup ,and portions of pickled veg like sauerkraut, Kim Chi all organic and drink genmai tea.....never felt better and the continuing blood tests in particular are stable and some even better.and I've started to get back on track with the weight. Most of the influencers I've lost faith in ,they're selling something or just themselves... it's a cult , no one knows the longterm affects for most people on the diet quite a lot of people do well long term.I just got bored with it. I like Bart Kay at least he's a scientist but even he sells supplements and his podcasts are a bit of a comedy show with easy picking among the looney vegan crew to criticise.If plants are trying to kill us their not doing a very good job of it some plants nightshades and leafy greens and root veg I would avoid as well as most fruit except a few berries maybe. we have developed ways of processing ,preserving and detoxifying most plants . Eat less move more and stop worrying about everything.
Great comment !
Yes. I am also into the Japanese diet.
I do advocate an animal-based diet with some raw (like the Japanese) alternating with some cooked meat (including exotic meat) and seafood, very minimal fruits (low sugar & high fibre types) and some fermented foods (Japanese Natto, Miso paste, Sauerkraut, Kimchi, etc).
Personally, I do eat some selected dairy, certain superfoods and raw bee pollen honey (only when pathogens overwhelmed the body).
I eschew all cooked Carbs like wheat, flour-based, rice, starchy vegetables and beans and legumes.
IF is very important to practise and it definitely helps to restore and regenerate new cells.
Fyi, we have already done 18 years of Gerontology research project in Asia focusing on immunotherapy and metabolic therapy, and our preliminary findings from elderly, seniors and Centenarians in Asia, suggested for us to follow an "enzyme-rich" which means raw fish, seafood and meat and also a higher probiotic intake.
Thanks, so nice to see an open-minded (not cult) take on carnivore.
I’d love to find out why these people went backwards in their blood test results. What causes this diet to stop working after the initial boost. I’m about to start carnivore diet, and would very much like to find out why. Based on what I have heard and read from the other carnivore people, they’re still doing great after years of being on it.
Double check with Dr. Ken Berry or Dr Anthony Chaffee They make much more sense than th3e negativity this video promotes and theirs is base on science not observation or anecdotal
The testimonies in the Carnivore community are amazing. There are 100 of thousands!
The examples mentioned in the video does not say what the people ate, they cried when they were told they can eat something other that meat, so my suspicious is that they didn't follow the carnivore diet 100% without eating other processed foods. So not examples that I would use as why a carnivore diet failed.
Concerning the Carnivore diet I heard another Doctor who I can’t recall his name that it’s success is related to your blood type as to how successful it is! I have just started the Lion diet now for 30 days & am eating once a day with none of my cavings and I only eat at 6pm because it time to eat again. I crashed into against most advice, but it works for me type A+. I think you have brought up a good point that we all ate different and need to adjust if we start going backwards!
Thanks for input 😊
I have more energy on carnivore, but each time I do strict carnivore 0 veg . I get H pylori,, happened twice , . So I have to have some fermented veg, not much and garlic to calm it down.
You've had it since before carnivore
Yes, many people do very well when adding fermented veggies. Dr. Sean O'Mara talks about this in his videos
@@vincentvega3747that doesn't mean jack. Everyone has their problems before being a carnivore. Many people are born with problems. So what? Changes nothing. This person still has to do what gets them through life.
My carnivore experience was that my messed up hormones have remained messed up, my MS symptoms have remained. My digestion worsened until I started eating a small amount of carbs and a little overcooked broccoli. My LDL shot up to an unbelievable 20 mmo/l and I got yellow blotches around my eyes as a warning my LDL is far too high. I also started having hot burning pain in my feet which I'd never had before. I now have to take a statin, hoping that one 20mg dose every 4 days will be enough to lower the LDL, together with the small amount of carbs, without causing damage. The benefits I did get from my carnivore experience is better immune system, weight gain which I needed and some muscle gain. I definitely now agree that carnivore is not a perfect diet which helps and heals everyone. For those who are the wrong metabolic type, it causes more problems than it solves, at least in the long term.
Thanks. I had some of the carnivore side effects , such as pre-diabetes, sleep disorder, and high LDL (LMHR)
Never been fat at around 10-12% bodyfat for 30 years, so no fat loss confounders. Started eating more carbs (AKA Bioenergetics), but probably added too much too soon, so started getting inflammation in joints. Complex carbs seems more of a problem than simple carbs, so doing a reset on my journey.
Low Vitamin C in the serum may be a response to lower requirements and improved recycling due to better glutathione activity from an abundance of sulfur in the diet. Just because curly/ingrown hairs on your legs went away when you ate some oranges does not mean you had Vitamin C deficiency...oranges contain a lot more than just Vitamin C. Why didn't you test with an ascorbic acid supplement, which has been shown to relieve Vitamin C deficiency?
Fascinating about the oxalates. Makes sense. I was hoping to hear alternatives that I could perhaps move to in the future but haven’t yet been convinced to move on from Carnivore. My big WHY is not going down the Dementia path like both parents.
Is there another way I can do this or is it Carnivore forever? Your thoughts here are invaluable as a doctor with insight. Looking for a new doc. I’m in Melbourne. 😁
Edit. Blood test results are all normal. No supplements.
Personally, I don't believe this theory about oxalate dumping. That's because I haven't given them up. I do keto. When I started changing how I was eating from lower fat sad diet, I did it as a 30 day challenge and hadn't watched enough videos or done enough research. I did it on a road trip/vacation.
I was eating protein fat vegetable and even fruit n yogurt, avocado salads, including spinach broccoli etc. I had dumped the sugar in my morning coffee only lite cream. Weight dropped so fast. Big adjustment in electrolytes. I learned later I needed extra magnesium and potassium. Dealt with higher energy and insomnia leg/ foot cramps. That's all adjusted now. So No. I don't believe it's oxalate dumping. It's the transition from carb burner to fat burner. Just my experience. ❤
Wise video. I appreciate it.
We're clearly designed to eat animal products. What I'd like to know is if it would be optimal and/or beneficial to eat fruits on a seasonal basis while following a carnivore program of the following: fatty ground beef (70%/30% or 80%/20%), rib eye & chuck steaks, and pasture-raised eggs.
It seems some of ancestors would eat fruits on a seasonal basis. Is it necessary? Is there some sort of cycle of fruits that would work best? As for vegetables, I'm quite convinced that they should be mostly, if not entirely avoided, especially the ones that are so modified today that they barely resemble the ones our ancestors ate. Anyhow, is a periodic cycle of fruits necessary for peak sexual, mental, & physical health? Let's find that out before we throw the baby out with the bath water. Thank you all for pursuing the truth in this matter.
So, doc you've taken the concept of a carnivore diet and added your twist to it to come up with your primalfusion diet? I must say you're a marketing genius
Most of the negative symptoms you are describing are signs of oxalate dumping. You can use things like baking soda, calcium and edta to help the removal of oxalates
Very interesting. It would be much more helpful if you kept some sort of log which would provide actual numbers, rather than just citing individual cases. I am glad to be alerted to these issues but without some kind of statistics the information is degraded in value.
another great vlog - looking forward to our telehealth talk on exactly some of the issues raised thanks see you soon - 90 % good but need help and guidance - meat based keto ishy
I’m 5’7 , 150 lbs
I was all aboard the keto/ carnivore diet ! Yes cleared my adult acne. But .. I had a heart attack last Sunday and spent the week in hospital getting a stent etc! Yikes! So now I wonder if a diet so ladden in fat and cholesterol is a good idea
Could have caused by some other factors. Genetic predisposition, extreme strsss (including exercise), High salt intake, long term intake of seas/vegetable oil, sugar or even medication or the so called multivitamin /supplements sold
I look forward to your new book, 8 months in and belly fat standing strong and I sense health is on a severe decline but for some reason I keep holding on telling myself I must be not doing it right, want to go back to more keto but blood sugar spikes worry me. At 66 I find out I am prediabetic...did carnivore cause it or was I always an undiagnosed one whose A1C see is going down and not instead rising. Which way do I go is the question
Going into my 3rd year of strict carnivore. All panels test in checked. All markers improved, non came back so far.
And honestly once I lost my addiction to carbs I never think of eating anything else. It is really surprising that people cried when told they can eat other things and if you are using their testimony as an observation then I would follow them more closely to make sure they are actually on pure meat and fat, adequate fat that is.
Could someone please explain what is the different between animal based and carnivore?
They are the same thing.
Thanks, that was very interesting :)
My experience is 5+ years carnivore but I cheat a few times a year and sometimes those cheats are massive amounts of sugar over 2 or 3 days :)
I haven't seen a doctor since 2018 when they wanted to remove some of my parathyroid glands so no tests for me at all yet :)
I could almost not walk in 2018 and had severe edema in my legs and feet so switching to carnivore instead of the surgery and everything getting fixed was quite a surprise and enough of a motivation to keep me pretty strict.
Last year about April is when I stopped taking supplements (was taking barocca) and I found out that I only needed some salt each day to stop the calf cramps so I have not taken any supplements in almost a year now :)
These are all of the problems that are gone now and most were gone in the first year:
loose teeth
bleeding gums
sensitive teeth
blocked sinuses
mouth breathing
left eye twitches
heartburn
calf cramps
yellow stool
blood in stool
edema below the knees
pain in feet when walking
I can stay out in the sun longer without burning or peeling
shoulder/neck pain after waking up is gone
lower back stiff/pain-twinge free since Nov 2022 after an operation in 2005
I think I had oxalate dumping during my first year when I lost 40 kg of fat because for the whole year I developed an eczema spot on the insole of my left foot.
It went away when I stopped losing weight and now if I gain some weight on one of my binges then I can expect some small clear blisters to grow out from below my skin until I have lost the weight again.
Weird but it seems consistent.
Does Carnivore Diet help with fatty liver?
Yes
My triglycerides went up on carnivore and my libido went down. My strength and muscle muscle also declines without carbs. I have a fast metabolism. I have been very very skinny most of my life and people used to make fun of me for being skinny. I developed a bad outlook on myself and had a lot of trouble gaining weight. I do think the benefits of carnivore are amazing. I think for some people this diet is perfect. My joint pain went away, acne goes away, i improved my kidney function drastically. So Overall the carnivore diet is a miracle drug and cure for almost everyday. For me though Im leaving carnivore for now to try and put on some muscle and get some strength back.
Hi, how are you now? In the past, did you consume a normal amount of fat or 20% and too much protein? 1-2 meals a day, sufficient salt intake, magnesium if needed, organs, milk, butter, eggs, sardines/salmon?
The most common reason carnivore doesn't work for someone is probably insufficient fat intake, often accompanied by excessive protein intake. If someone sucks at using fat for energy, it makes sense they would maximize gluconeogenesis via high protein intake to compensate for a lack of carbs in the diet. In the long run, this will lead to starvation and likely a bunch of the problems mentioned in this video (diarrhea, slow metabolism and low energy, kidney and liver problems, etc.).
Thank you for this video. I was on the carnivore diet for 35 days and I felt that really strict energy about not breaking it but yes I have started to add a few carbs in each day, Below 50 at the most. My cravings came back last week very strongly.
When you say "get your calcium done" are you talking about a CAC score?
Excellent information. 🙏🙏
I eat Greek yogurt that has some carbs. 5 grams per 125 grams.
I had a huge health improvement with Keto. Tried carnivore but didn't feel any benefit so reverted to Keto. However, follow FODMAP for vegetables and only low oxalate vegetables. Don't bother with fruit, except as a very rare 'treat'. Say one bunch of grapes in summer and 1 mango. Will have strawberries but without anything added - again a few times a year. Only problem I experience is when eating out. Carbs are everwhere. A lot of people going carnivore are likely to feel bad because the body is getting rid of oxalates. No harm in a gradual transition.
In which city in Australia is your practice?
google him - I think queensland but I have booked a telehealth appt
This is actually refreshing information. There seems to be a cult like religious zeal either towards veganism or carnivore and it makes me really concerned.
I'm back on carnivore due to gut issues. But I do plan to incorporate some low carb vegetables soon.
I'm looking forward to your follow-up video on the diet that you would recommend thank you
Most of the licensed doctors in the carnivore community are pretty lax about you wanting to eat other things than strict carnivore. It's only really the immature who do silly stuff.
I improved my gut by adding Sauerkraut, kale, broccolis and mushrooms. On pure Carnivore I had diarrhea.
Doing carnivore but my body feels like it is buzzing, is this electrolytes?
From what I have read cholesterol is a risk if in the presence of 4 things that make your arteries sticky: high levels of homocysteines, smoking, stress, and high sugar consumption.
If only people understood that if you eat a vegetable and all your symtpoms come back it means you are still sick. In fact probably even sicker than before
Youre just masking the problem.. you can dry fast and eat a whole foods diet and thrive without worrying that you ate a fiber or a carb
That’s like saying that if you drink alcohol you still get drunk and more drunk than before. If you stop taking a poison, than you will get more sick after being clean for a while.
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Did those people eat one meal a day? Or twice a day? I believe carnivore including eggs, fish, liver and so on is extremely nutritious. I do OMAD on carnivore. And I do 2 to 3 days water fasting every 3 to 6 month. Now I’m scared. lol. But I feel great. However, some times I include lemon juice, and honey. I would say once in a while.
I watched it. I commented but I wasn’t criticizing. I was just giving you some ways of looking at what may have happened.
Is milk a good way to add carbs in?
Ive been in carnivor for almost two years and i feel great i dont use supplements nor electrolytes and like i said i feel great the only issue with me is butter i love buttet but i cant use it by itself it goes through me like water but dont give it too much thought
Thanks for your honesty. However you're relying on self reporting as well. Zone 2 cardio has also been reported as required to burn off the storage of the fat and cholesterol and to adapt the body to use it as a primary fuel source.
You might have a functional deficiency in B1. B1 is necessary to get all energy into the cells. Fat proteins and glucose.
Try mega dosing with B1 and you should quickly see an improvement.
Make sure you have cofactors like choline, magnesium, zinc, potassium and other b vitamins.
God bless
My only issue is not sleeping, need some help, still adjusting stuff, next thing to try is to get a different type of magnesium supplement.
You need electrolytes
We never know who financialy may be behind any of these bloggers.
Strong suspicions though.