How Does The Intermediate Tyre Last An ENTIRE F1 Race?
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- čas přidán 10. 10. 2021
- For the first time in 24 years we saw Esteban Ocon stop ZERO times and went the whole 58 laps on one set of intermediates... But how on earth did he manage it?
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Impressed how quickly you get these bad boys out. To get it researched, scripted, recorded, edited and uploaded along with also doing IBR and the podcast is great. WELL DONE YOU.
I have haunted CZcams for the podcast. Still nothing
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Facts and its barely Monday
Cocain lots of cocain
interslicks
I am wanted in 19 states for blowing up an orphanage
Interslicky Park
This is my favourite. Much better than slintermediates
Slintermediates much better
wetslicks
Not only did it not last 58 laps.
Ocon also lost 50 seconds to Sainz in the last 14 laps.
And lewis is still crying about getting pitted...
The Ferraris like that circuit, not exactly a fair comparison. He lost 22 sec over the last 8 laps to his team mate but also flat spotted his tires which slowed him massively
Keep in mind most of the teams were losing 23 seconds on track in the pits and Lewis was lapping faster than Ocon so losing less time.
He was losing 8-9 tenths to Perez every lap and had more seconds than laps remaining.
They should have gambled.
@@stekarenhd6911 The only problem with Lewis' pitstop was how late it was, because he refused to come in for like 4 laps after his team first called him in.
@@stekarenhd6911 why does Lewis get hate for that when no one picks up on things like Norris telling his engineer to shut up ?stop crying please 🤭
@@stekarenhd6911 lewis is wrong when he himself said he did wrong, otherwise lewis is always right.
Well technically they only went 57 laps as Ocon was a lap down!😂
plus 1 - formation lap
Formation lap?
@@robertkaras6315 plus the lap back to the pits
Alright 57 *race laps*
@Funny gæ
By how heavily Lewis was pushing throughout the race, not stopping would likely have been disastrous.
good for max tho
There was a shot of one of his tires where you could see the metallic layer under the rubber starting to glimpse through. Mercedes were extremely scared of it blowing.
10 laps before the end leclerc caught Lewis at 1.5 secs per lap, and he would have probably finished behind nor risk in 7th without stopping.
@@leftyplayz6908 thats before they started graining then turned to slick-termediates.
And everybody would've appreciated that.
The time Ocon was losing at the end and the pressure Lewis was under he would've ended up in a similar position
Just making it to the end?
@@jairajsinghshaktawat6593 Sigh. That would have been *great!*
the merc works much different on tyres to the Alpine though, he might have been fine.
@@jairajsinghshaktawat6593 well substantiated reply ...
@@jairajsinghshaktawat6593 I mean every race is a good indicator, and the rip in the tyre from Ocon almost certainly contributed to the loss of time at the end which wouldnt have hap;pened with hamilton likely. Again though, you judge my unsubstantiated comments but then leave your own like 'most probably in the barriers' or 'danger to otehr drivers' which just highlights your obvious Bias. Better cars are better on tyres since they have to rely on mechanical grip much less due to higher Aero grip. There is your reasoning, believe it if you wish, if not choose to remain dissonant in order to maintain your bias
Technically all 20 cars did Spa this year on 1 set of tires :)
But that wasn't really a race...
@@stephenyates962 thats why i said technically. cause it was a Race. Points where awarded :)
@@Chrisduerksen I get that, officially, it was declared a race. I'm sure there are many fans who would disagree with that
@@stephenyates962 i would be one of them. but hey i guess the whole qualy effort had to mean something so you gotta give points, otherwise all the work and money spent would have been for nothing
@@stephenyates962 maybe it had something to do with it being a tripple header, but anyway, they should've raced on monday
one more thing to also consider: Ocon was in clear air all race so he could managed his tyres, while Hamilton had to battle Perez and overtake Tsunoda, Gasly and Norris so his tyre could not have lasted
He was behind vettel before he stopped
Not exactly true. He was actually battling Seb for position before seb pitted. He almost managed to get past him at one point. Also, when Sainz pitted, he wasn't able to get past Ocon for 7-8 laps. So he wasn't really in clear all race
Back when grooved slick tires were a thing, there was a rule stating that teams gaining an advantage by using extremely worn tires could be penalized at the discretion of the stewards. I wonder if the shenanigans at Turkey over the last two seasons are going to cause that rule to come back on safety grounds.
I hope not. The inter is the coolest tire abailible
I would hope not. Not every weird situation like this requires a knee-jerk rule change. So they found that the intermediates worked for a long time in highly unusual conditions...so be it.
We literally called them interslicks last year... why the sudden change? everybody seems to have forgotten.
Interslick gang represent
I'm a slickermediates guy personally.
@@danielchong5032 "slicktermediate" Michelin would like a word with you lol
Yea, I prefer interslick.
Interslick is more slick!
Well looking at ocon's tires at the end, they didn't actually last the whole race...
And he drove 1 lap less than a full race… 57 instead of 58
@@WicherBos But he still needed to do the formation and the cool down lap on these tyres.
@@janzumstein8241 both of which are not full speed laps, and one of which he was almost coasting his way home.
@@wyattroncin941 formation lap ( you’re pushing the tyres quite hard here) and cool down lap counts as a full race lap altogether.
Ocon flat spotting them didnt help him.
So in the race reaction you called Merc pitting Ham's a blunder, I call it a blunder that they took it that far, as soon as Perez pitted, they should've brought Ham's in, double blunder actually.
The team made the call, Hamilton fought it and by the time he pitted, his window was gone and so was Perez.
Hamilton's best chance was when the call initially came in, but he didn't trust his team. LeClerc and Ferrari considered the same, but LeClerc pitted and because he did, came ahead of Hamilton in the end. What's more strange was how hard he initially fought the pit but accepted so easily later on at a point where he wouldn't have enough laps to clear through the graining phase. I believe this is because he noticed he was losing time by that point instead of gaining and believed the pit would allow him to get faster times, which is a short-sighted view ignoring his team's data and calls.
I hope this teaches Hamilton some humility since he's been low key bashing and questioning Merc calls the way Hamilton do. With eloquence and pretty words.
In his own words, "This is a marathon, not a sprint" he prioritized the sprint over the marathon and he threw a podium shot out the window. Disappointing to say the least.
@@illumitabris Eloquently put, mate, nobody to blame but himself, and at the end, he still tried to pin it on the team.
Hamilton should have come in 1-3 laps after Checo to take advantage of the inters being so poor when new, but once he was out it was probably best to stay out
@@illumitabris Hamilton will gain no humility, he just likes spewing platitudes and acting smarter than everyone else while also being a massive hypocrite. It wasn't even a month ago he was lecturing Norris about listening to his team.
A double blunder, or a Dunder as I like to call it.
Matt: Drive till the tires explode
Ocon: Hold my Slintermediates
Fun fact: This was the second no stop race of the year 😂
I think many of us don't want to call that farce in Belgium a race
Well Belgium was red flagged, so they did technically stop. Isn't it also allowed to change tyres under red flag?
@@Nummer378 Crofty said during the race that before Ocon, the last driver to run a no-pitstop race was Hamilton and he did change tyres under a red flag.
@@MarkHalberstram Mika Salo in 1998 had the last actual no stop race
@@cereal-killer4455 I didn’t know that tbf, blame Crofty for lying to me
He managed it by literally not fighting for position all race. He just went out and drove around the track and looked after his tyres. Seems his whole strategy was "just go long until slicks, and then we can be the first on slicks and we'll catch everyone else out cause they'll have to take a 2 stop" and then it just never dried up and since he'd not had to push his tyres all race they just went "screw it, just stay out for 8 more laps". Hamilton couldn't have done the same, cause he'd fought Yuki and Perez on those tyres. They looked as bad as Ocon's with 8 less laps on them.
All things aside but can we really appreciate that Ocon did the whole race on one tyre.
Picture Ocon riding a unicycle in full racing gear
i think he was driving on 4 tires mate
4 tyres, 1 set
@@woodenhoe i know :p
It doesn't, it just becomes pretty much a slick tyre
The cool thing to is that because of camber, only about 3/4 of the tire (some more, some less) is a slick and the the outside 1/4 still has grooves to funnel the water thats trapped between the slick tire surface and the track, which causes hydroplaning. Its like a true dual purpose race tire.
It's not just the fact they become slicks, Seb showed us the slicks didn't work. But the fact that the wet tyre compounds are actually much softer than the slicks made them still viable, since they work at a lower temperature.
The definition of "drive to survive".
Thank you for answering one of my questions by this video.
I tried to search if doing no pit stop was legal and it's only because of the raining condition.
I almost spend half the "boring race" we had to find this information.
Well, explain like always excellent work.
This is one of those videos I was waiting for since the race ended. There was just no way you where NOT gonna make this specific video :)
Oh man, I loved how he placed a mask on Ocon and took it off when he called his name 😂😂😂
Great job man keep it up 👍
This is not the upload I was expecting today.
Editing VB out of the podium had me broken. Brilliant vid as always Matty and team.
Awesome video!
In the short I've been watching F1, I actually wondered for a while how intermediates would wear in longer stints and if intermediates could naturally turn in slicks with enough wear and weird enough track conditions.
Turns outs they can. 👍
Brilliant explanation thanks!!
2 laps in “Bono my tyres are gone” vs 30+ laps “I can go to the end”
sir crymilton
Ocon did 57 laps, he was lapped once!!
Thank you for showing Ocon's tire. That says it all to me.
Just keep in mind he had a decent lock up which caused that flat spot.
@@mitchellbaker4847 Good point. I guess I just don't see the tires much after the race. I'm fascinated by the tires for some reason. In MotoGP I never get a good look at the tires, and especially wet tires in MotoGP and WorldSBK. It's not nice to see Ocon's tire down to the cords, but you can see it was seriously close to catastrophic. I got a glance at Lewis' right rear tire during the pit stop, but it's hard to guess how bad it was.
Amazing video
Just what I needed after this day to make it a bit better. Formula video + listening to the music I like (Delta Parole, Metallica and other) make me feel the speed and excitement!
I love Hamilton stating "he could've done the same"
Well, no Hamilton, you weren't in a track position to lose 50 seconds
Exactly. And he was in a faster car that had to battle for positions multiple times.
@@Gl-my8fw Thus his tires would've died.
Ocon didn't need to battle-battle anyone. Hamilton was under pressure the entire race
I was just thinking about how great would be to see a video about this topic. It’s a shame that you didn’t actually answer the question. If it’s a softer tyre how can it last so long? Is it because the water in the track prevents degradation?
Great video
I’ve waited for another F101 and i’m happy
very clear graining explanation
The real champ!, such a great pun
In truth, Ocon's tyres lasted 60 laps. The lap to the grid, the formation lap, the race and the cooldown lap
So I was right about what I thought was the reason for this long stint on one set of tires. Thanks Matt for confirming it.
Cool information
Thanks! I was wondering and asking the question here and there: Why a slick doesn't work and why do intermediates-turned-slick (okay, slintermediates) does. I had an idea, but now I know for sure. Thanks!
FYI the pics of graining tyres appear to be incorrect - these are tyres where the drivers have driven over the rubber ‘marbles’ around the track to make sure they meet minimum weight on the cool down lap
Interslicks are the tires to go for in such conditions. And this track loves to have them.
The internet surprised by Pirelli having a tire that can last a race distance.
Meanwhile, Michelin and Bridgestone who can produce tires that can be pushed the entire race distance 😂😂
You’ve missed the point. F1 doesn’t want tyres that can do a whole race. That’s why they ask Pirelli to create the tyres specifically to last a certain amount of laps before “fall off the cliff”.
Where's the podcast!!!
The slintermediate!!!!! Legend
man that 2017 sauber was a stunner
My year was the last year to do the intermediate certificate exams at the end of 3rd year in secondary school in Ireland.
also the Slintermediate was great because it still had some profile left on the sides to repell some water left.
They need to make a rule that you must pit at least once during the race to stop that
Cheers Matt appreciate the knowledge
F1 CZcams’s 2016 Spain rage intensifie
Where is the podcast? It is on Spotify..
Love the term slintermediate pirelli should create a new tyre for those conditions
A grooved tyre being able to last a whole race?
*2005 flashbacks*
Michelin at Indy: *confused screaming*
am I a joke to you?
-spa Francorchamps 2021
I liked how this made it even more of a level playing field since the major teams are gambling and a bit clueless.
Why hasn't the FIA made a rule that requires at least 1 pit stop per race regardless of weather or make a stipulation for the new tire regulations to have a InterSlick tire just as a precaution to these kinds of conditions?
Ocon ended up a lap down, so he did 57 laps, not 58.
This probably made quite a big difference in his race.
Intermedium is my favourite one 🤣
Getting any CZcamsr Championship flashbacks from the mandatory tyre change rule, Matt?
Its actually 59 laps, if you count formation lap and in lap after the race (minus the lap he was down after the race).
We need a video on the 2022 under car aerodynamics
The wet compounds are much closer to real world tires in hardness.
intermediate for full race was a perfect call
No it was not.....
For me the inter tyre in the future should be halfway between current inters and slicks, and the full wet should be between current full wets and current inters, since full wets are almost never used due to the visibility issues that come with heavy rain conditions. F1 is much more likely to race in conditions where a "slicker" inter and "less full" wets are needed.
" if you do not push technology to it's limits, there will be no demand to make it better " - GHOST bet the IM tires are going to be able to do far more in the future thanks to that 1 man that pushed the tire through the whole of the race!
Ocon : the tire demigod
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Last time I was this early Fernando alonso still had good luck
TurkeyGP 2021 was a repeat of TurkeyGP 2020. In 2020, Ocon did 51 laps on the "inter-slicks" while other drivers did 45+ laps on the "inter-slicks."
The last time anyone did a race on the same tire was Mika Salo in Monaco 1997.....24 years ago.
@Scom Tott- Yes, 1997 was the race with no stop from Salo because the laps were cut short to 62 lsps because of rain and time limits.
"slicktermediate" sportscars had the idea of a slick wet weather tire first and that's the name we chose for it
oh goddd JUST SAW THE TYRES OF OCON
I clicked the thumbnail thinking this was Chain Bear F1 😅
I would like to see some teams run a few laps in inters during fp to remove the grooves incase they need it in the race
Is that allowed? I would have thought they are required to always change into a brand new set of tires.
Intermediums is my personal favourite
I was surprised by Aston Martin and Vettel choosing to go out on the mediums. I would have thought that softs would have been a better choice at that point. However, I am not sure it would have helped at all.
Me: tries no inters for a 25% race in f1 2021
also me: drops down to 16 from pole
The name I like the most for these tires is "Interslicks"
I kept questioning myself, "what the hell is going on with these tires?", and that started at 20 laps. I found it unbelievable.
Early in the race, Crofty stated 19 laps distance on the tires, with 3 sets per team. I figured Perez would look after his tires and try to nab a podium with a one stopper. But by lap 20 nobody was coming in for tires!!! When Danny Ric's new inters weren't providing any advantage, nobody was coming in!
There must be f1 2021 challenge of doing the whole race on intermediates in the wet.
Inter slicks is a way better term Matt
I got here faster than the start of a race
Just a thought but what if enough of the drivers took a gamble on any dry tyre, would the track have been able to dry enough to eventually make a dry racing line and make everyone change to dry tyres
Well if the inters couldn’t clear up the water and dry the track, then the dry tries surely wouldn’t.
@@9v-skk71 See I thought thought that but, if enough drivers were on dry tyres the difference in design and compound would potentially make a dry line to make it possible to race, the inters we dispersing the water and wore down to drive on the damp track but if enough went on the drys then maybe it would of worked, who knows, thank you for your thoughts though
@@iwanevans607 thats an interesting thought, who knows what actually could have happened
@@9v-skk71 It only really came to mind from past races, qualifying and practice where it’s gone from inters and someone or a few took the risk on drys, bit tricky at first but eventually it was good enough to drive on, thank you again for you thoughts and time
Lewis and Charles couldn’t have gone to the end anyway because they are pushing harder and going faster than what Ocon was going
A great driver, that’s how
I am a very new fan and I don't get how you don't have to make a pitstop. I thought you had to until now. Can som1 explain please.
New strategy, use inter tyre on free practice until it become slinter, then use it in race day.
Im naming my next puppy slintermediate
can you explain Mercedes decisions on Hamilton race strategy throughout the race?
you explained graining as graining and marbles
Nice video, I was wondering how that possible
They probably did a whole race with them to get some track data on the tyres imo. It made no sense strategically to stick to those tyres for that long, or anywhere past 40 laps
Not really, Hamilton's radio shows that he kind of stayed out because he was under the impression the track was going to dry out just in time for a change to slicks. If that did happen and slicks were 5+ seconds faster a lap and there was 6-7-8 laps left, then you wouldn't want to have pitted for inters already. Ocon may have had a similar thought process "it's going to dry out, we're going to go to slicks, so why would we pit if we're going to have to pit again anyway?". And then that never happened and since he wasn't really threatened and hadn't had to race anyone all day, he just decided to stay out for the last few laps assuming his tyres would hold. Leclerc absolutely just wanted to do a no stop because it was the only chance he had of winning, not because it was smart strategy, but that's because Ferrari hasn't won a race in over 2 years. But Hamilton definitely just thought it was going to dry out, I don't think it really crossed his mind that there wouldn't be another stop in the race until it was too late. There was no way his tyres were going to hold until the end. They looked as bad as Ocon's full race tyres and he did 8 less laps on them.
pirelli should make a slicktermediate tyre XDD
Interslicks is still a better term
@@CharlieDaStig yeah
Considering this is now one of the most abrasive tracks on the calendar, will we see teams trying this more often at different tracks?
Probably only if it rains, and if you're not constantly fighting for position.
These tires need to be rethought. It seems like they only last a few laps with the grooves still on them, and then they're gone. The tires looked like they were going to blow up all race long
WEC has a slick intermediate, I think it’s time Pirelli made one for F1
There is another no pit stop the year 1986, BMW B186...Mexico GP
Can u do a vid explaining why f1 does not race ovals
That's Radillion, actually...
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