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[L77] Gerda Tytan ZX Lock - pick
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- This Polish lock has 12 pins in a unique lock configuration. This is an LPU community lock that will be passed around, it originated through a purchase by Logan (LoganIsOnDiscord) from Gery, came to me, and will be visiting AMonitorDarkly for its next stop.
0:00 - intro
2:43 - pick begin
10:54 - picked open
Appears to be the first time this lock has been picked on video.
360 pick of this lock found here: • [L77a] Gerda Tytan ZX ...
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bravo you are the first person to picked gerda zx I saw people on the internet decode it but your video is the first with lock picking🇵🇱
Thanks! I was under the impression that I am the first to pick it on video!
Those locks are RC4 class, meaning lock has to withstand 10 minutes with use of axe, crowbars, Hammer, and powertools for 10minutes . Also lock have to withstand 1 metric tonne of opening force.
Next class - RC5 is used in banks, archives etc.
I believe there is no better doorlock on the market (in normal price). Gerda do also produce steel apartament doors with those cores, but with 12 slabs around the door. It is easier to remove them togheter with frame, than to open this bastard.
Very interesting information, thank you for sharing. We do not see these over here, I only got my hands on one as a fellow picker sent it to me to pick open! It is definitely a unique style lock (which is something I've quite into having picked many unique style locking mechanism) and it's like a tubular lock in that it needs to be picked multiple times to get it open. Though, after picking it one position, I would determine a method to impression a key (likely with an epoxy putty or similar).
@@norlin76 I wouldn't think that making impression. Those locks are robust, and they are working flawlessly for decades but they are quite sensitive for key damage. So You'll have to be extra precise with impression. I believe that best thing to crack them is decoder.
@@motoNudziarz yeah, decoder works well for sure. The impression would be more precise than the original key as I would make it once the lock is in the picked position...but like we've been saying, isn't really a worthwhile method for getting into this lock.
@@motoNudziarz yeah I have such door and besides it's being "secure", the whole mechanism works so smooth even after 25 years of daily usage.
Also it works great as a magnet hanger, lol
in Poland those locks are commonly used on front doors in apartments. Usually it is easier to break the door than dealing with this lock.
Congrats on picking it! It sets every 90° and if I'm not mistaken, there were version that could rotate 3 times to lock. That's 12 picks ;)
If you turn the key once, you could open it from the inside like any other lock. But turn the key twice and the nob on the inside stops working. Allegedly this was done so that burgard entering home via a balcony or a window couldn't use front door to get away with your stuff.
Greetings from Poland.
Thanks for stopping by! As explained in the video and in the follow up video, you're exactly correct on 4 picks per rotation, but only two full rotations in this particular version of the lock. Note, that once you pick it one location, you can stop between locations, insert a sleeve and inject a fast hardening filler, then just rotate the lock the rest of the way. Basically you freeze it in the picked state, just means that the lock is trash after, but you'd only have to pick it once.
Very cool lock, exceptionally well picked. Great video as always. Have a great week. 👍
Thanks, you too!
Well done on the picking. Awesome lock 👍 I liked your detective work at the end hunting for the last few pins.
Thanks :) It's always a challenge to find those last few!
Dropped back to this pick,but after watching your latest vid,
WELL enough said,well done,billbo.
Thank you :)
You should send this to the lockpickinglawyer.. 😁
Nah, he cam afford his own locks and usually doesn't pick highsec locks these days.
@@norlin76 agreed.. he prefers short videos thus lower security locks in general.. And he makes a huge business out of selling his lock picking products..
Great job man, very impressive pick.
Thank you, thank you very much
Nicely done man. A worlds first with ease? Kickin butt!
Thanks to you for giving me the opportunity with this lock, would probably never have had my hands on one otherwise :)
@@norlin76 Happy the lock is making the rounds brother.
@@LoganIsOnCZcams if only the German locks would finally arrive, it could make the next stop, I'm sure AMonitorDarkly will make quick work of this guy
@@norlin76 lol I’m sure of that. Not many locks on this earth he doesn’t make quick work of!
Came here after seeing a video from @bosnianbill saying how hard it is to pick. Nicely executed 👌👌
Appreciate it! It's not a particularly difficult lock to pick, however it is a very time consuming one which makes it a very good lock!
@@norlin76 I would say - It is difficult - since it is time consuming (looking from point of view what lock represents - prevents access). Quick pick -> easy (less possibility to be seen) Long pick time -> more risk to be seen -> hard (hard but not unpickable :) ).
@@hdd4550 yah, it comes down to why you pick a lock. Given that I'm a hobby picker, I'm not about to be standing in front of anyone's door trying to pick it. I would break it down into two separate categories: 1) difficulty and 2) security. For difficulty, this isn't an easy lock to pick but it also doesn't rank as one of the most difficult as I would say that most of the experienced pickers I know shouldn't have any problems picking this lock. For security, I would rank this lock extremely high as it does what it is supposed to do, keep what it is securing secure...a lock should take time to defeat, whether by picking or other destructive means, and I think this lock covers both very well.
Great picking, never have seen this picked before !
Thank you very much! I just made a new video on this that is processing and should be available in a few minutes! I pick it 360 degrees :)
and here it is :) czcams.com/video/sES_Hbj92BQ/video.html
I have an impressioning set for this lock.. I have been trying to avoid buying a new one.. but in Australia these are hard to find. Great pick mate.. subd.
Appreciate it! I haven't made videos in a while, but I think I'll have to get off my butt and make some more :)
Neat lock. Great picking!
Thanks 👍
Not an easy lock and considered as cheap. Good skills man, not every locksmith in Poland is able to pick them, those are like pain in the ass.
Thank you, appreciate it. If they stand up to drilling as well as they do picking, they're a great lock!
Nice pick, very cool lock!
Thanks, was pretty fun to pick too :)
Awesome job picking that very cool lock!!
Thank you! :)
Nice pick on that huge lock. Now I can see why people want to impression a key instead of picking it. lol
Yep, any lock that needs to be picked multiple times to get a full rotation you usually want to impression :)
God I love your locks, do you want to swap packages or any locks. Super awesome pick. What a great job
Thanks! I'm a collector, so generally don't have more than one of any lock to swap unfortunately.
Tough one! Kudos!
Was fun to figure out :) Thanks!
Worlds first!!!!????? Great job dude
Could be, we'll see!
@@norlin76 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Imagine if there was no place for tensioning tool at the lock body at all (perfect round key way) - inserting the key itself would engage a spring loaded the very tip of the key to extend in some way in means to turn the cylinder: and in a special place right behind the row of pins! This lock is already nasty but my idea would make the ultimate lockpicking nightmare.
You can also add various of security pins for extra spice
The SB (Super Bright) lock is quite similar to this Gerda lock and tensions in the way you describe (by the tip of the key). I have one and will have to make a video sometime soon on this if there's interest. There is another lock out there, can't think of the model right now (I don't own one) that tensions off the pins themselves (kind of like the Vanlock video I just posted, but with a key similar to the Gerda).
Great job . So it’s like picking a massive dimple lock Lol
Thanks! Yep, a big dimple lock with the addition difficulty of not having anything to line the flag up with.
@@norlin76 I no this lock as very tricky one. But you open it like it was nothing. Definitely one of my favourite pickers and always help me when I needed info on something.
10 minutes for the lock is pretty good
Thanks! I wouldn't want to be a smith having to pick that open without an expensive decoder tool!
10 minutes of work until the lock is open. It would be difficult to clamp a lockable door in a vice and open the lock under the house.
A very good lock, one of the best on the market.
Certainly wouldn't do this as a thief, but then again, thieves don't pick locks, they just kick down doors or break windows. Keep in mind, you have to pick this 8 times to get it fully open. You also wouldn't need to clamp it in a vise as it would be installed in a door. This would be a method more for locksmiths that don't want to pay 1500 euro for a decoder or destroy (drill) the lock open for their customers, I would also assume that they might focus on this lock and take way less than 10 minutes to pick it, since I just picked it as a one off and my time could easily get much better.
@@norlin76 those locks are immune for drill - central rod inside core has some super hard ball, which rotates togheter with drill bit, preventing it from biting in.
They are superpopular in Poland, also included in gerdas antitheft, ram resistant doors. Those are panzer like... Few metric tonnes of resistance on 12-15 slabs, gerda tytan lock.
Certified locksmiths do drill hole near core and use pair of special tools to open those.
@@motoNudziarz very nice, yes even for pick resistance this thing is a beast, picking it 8 times would likely take an hour or more...it might be fine if you just need to pick one, if you're dealing with multiple professionally, that's where a decoder would make sense.
zapadki w tym zamku są w 4 grupach co 90o. więc na 1 obrót zamka trzeba go 4x pikować x~9minut na 1 pikowanie... nikt normalny nie będzie atakować drzwi z tym zamkiem
I agree, picking it is not a method for crime for sure, even on a simple lock (why pick it when you can just break it?) However, I am a hobby lockpicker and don't concern myself with such things, I just like the puzzle that a lock presents!
In my building someone has jammed the gerda lock mechanism with the key. Its a barrier Gerda Lock which is attached to a gate. The black bit where you hold to take the key out, snapped off. How do I take it out? Its stuck stiff. Many cars keep parking in our resident bays now.
Sorry, I'm just a hobby lockpicker, I'm not a locksmith. It sounds like you need to get a hold of a locksmith to help you.
@Michael Gilchrist
You should try pick Gerda G1000 PLUS. It is safer according to the manufacturer.
I'll have to look at getting my hands on one if they've made any upgrades to the pick resistance. Often the upgrades focus on drill resistance or stopping other kinds of physical attack
@@norlin76 I don't know, but these locks have a different type of key(GTM1). Different diameter.
@@maf2 sounds good!
Maybe I am wrong but I am not sure if you fully succeded. You were succeded to rotate the lock or at least the front ring but belts didn't move at all. Normally they should move with every move of the key. You got that result when you were moving the knob
You are half correct, the bolts slide when you turn the knob far enough, but note that the knob does not move the bolts for the first 90 degrees or so of movement. This is already discussed in all the comments and even talked about during the video. For those who doubt I recorded separated, completely unnecessary from a lockpicking standpoint (for those unfamiliar with how lockpicking works), 360 degree turn of the lock here: czcams.com/video/sES_Hbj92BQ/video.html
So after 90° you would have to pick it again? So 4x picks per whole rotation? If that one pick took you 10 minutes, it would take more than half an hour (I give some discount as next one could be faster) to actually open it? Well, it's usually locked with two rotations so 8x picks, ~1h? Sounds like a good lock then (I have it, it's quite popular where I live)
[edit] I've seen in the comments that above seems to be true.
It is quite secure against picking, I estimate a full 8 picks to be more around 2 hours.
This lock guarantee here (at producers country), that robbers dont even attempt to opening doors. Its like an angry dog waiting for a postman. Easier way is to destroy doors than open this lock.
@@antoniopartizano5111 hah nice way to put it, yes, robbers here don't pick locks at all (or only very rarely), it takes too much effort when you can just break a window or check if the next house is unlocked.
You'd need to pick it 2 or 3 more times if the bolt was fully extended, right?
8 times. 90 degrees per pick, retracting the bolt requires two full rotations with the key.
@@norlin76 So about an our, or maybe bit less if someone has practiced it a lot. Would anyone burgle such lock at all?
@@infirmux only reason to practice picking this lock is for fun, or if you're a locksmith and a client wants you to open their lock non-destructively. A burglar will smash a window, kick your door, or drill the lock.
Круто 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
Спасибо
This lock was super popular in the 90's in Poland. It has, though, pretty big security issue. Mind that if you rotate the key twice, the lock is impossible to open from the inside. I don't know how the designer found it useful.
I ended up buying one of these locks for myself since the one picked in this video was only a loaner. I just tested what you said and am amazed! It seems even worse, no matter what position the lock is in, the inside can only seem to turn one and a quarter times, and if the key is locked twice, the inside can't move at all just like you said!!
I had multiple gerdas - all of them work that way. My guess is that it’s an additional protection so that someone who breaks into home through back window cannot simply walk out through the front entrance
It's not security issue, that's a feature. If you lock your house, and someone will break through balcony/window he will be unable to open door from inside, so he won't steal anything big.
@@atexc5604 thanks, terrible security feature though, means you can't lock the door behind you if anyone is still at home, you have to get them to lock it from the inside (for example if I leave home in the morning and my wife is still home sleeping) though guess you just have to remember not to lock it twice in these situations!
@@norlin76 In that case you can lock it turning key once. Still locked, and you can open it from inside. There was few models of this lock - with built-in alarm, without this "feature" which you dont like (AFAIR there was slider from the inside in this version instead of that knob). Only that basic version is still in production, and RIM6000 which is based on ZX mechanism. :)
@edit Just checked, and they are actually still making variant without double lock feature. Both locks just look exactly the same now - with turning knob.
You must be up late, or early Michael, east or west coast.
East Coast here, but it's not late nor early on either coast right now :)
Keep in mind that this lock will be embedded in a lock face in a door. That will make tensioning very difficult if not impossible. Also you had a key to look at so that's kind of a cheat ;)
It would be embedded in a doorway, I only reach behind the lock to keep a clear view for the camera. In an actual pick, it's actually more comfortable to pick it with my hand in front of the lock so tensioning isn't a factor unless the front face of the lock isn't flush with the front of the door (ie it has to be deeper in the door to present any additional challenge). Also, while having the key can indeed be quite a blessing, this lock in particular provides very good feedback for jiggle testing, making it a good blind picking candidate.
@@norlin76 I see. But would you still say that this lock is not an easy one to get past? Reason I'm asking is I do have it on one of my doors.
@@XEyedN00b this is a very good lock security wise. Any lock can be picked, that's just the nature of locks. That said, a thief most likely would not be picking locks, but it is much more resistant to picking...it took me an hour to get through 4 picks, it would take double that to get through all 8 picks necessary to open the door. I can get through a standard US door lock in less than a few minutes generally.
@@UncoloredKnife I do it 4 times for the non-believers here czcams.com/video/sES_Hbj92BQ/video.html
I don't think that picking this thing is a viable option if you want to get into the door, but I generally feel that someone wanting to get in shouldn't be picking a lock when destructive methods are faster and require less "skill".
basically need to set up camp when picking this thing to open the door ;). Not a quick in and out for a burglar. Nice lock.
Yah, but in general burglars aren't picking locks, only people who don't want you to know you've been in like spies would pick locks. A burglar would simply smash a window or kick the door.
@@norlin76 yeah, what about if you live in places where you have burglar proof glass (with foil layer) on windows and doors that you would need to be kicking for a day until you have any effect?
@@infirmux thieves would move on to the next house :)
@@infirmux drill go brrttt
Lockpickinglawyer has 3m subscribers and wouldn't even attempt this lock.
You have 788 subs and posted a FULL video of you picking it...
WHERE IS YOUR RECOGNITION 😫
Hah, I really appreciate that. I assume it's because my channel is geared towards a much smaller population of people, those that actually pick locks. Whereas LPL is geared towards people looking for quick entertainment. I think of it as grade school vs PhD program :)
But u have to pick it 6 times to open the doors who would has this much time while trying to break in?
No, you have to pick it 4 times or 8 times depending if it's single or double locked as stated in the video. I have another video where I show the 4 times pick. No one is going to do this to break in, thieves rarely pick locks as there are so many easier ways to get in to a place. The people who will pick this are hobby pickers (locksport) or locksmiths.
@@norlin76 yes u are right. He said it locks at each 90 dgree turn so 360x2/90=8 not 6. It's brlliant lock btw
@@Sojto16 yes it is quite a nice lock, I wouldn't rank it as one of the most difficult locks to pick, but definitely time consuming which, in my opinion, makes it a good lock
@@norlin76 wich lock is realy hard to pick in your opinion?
@@Sojto16 off the top of my head, something like the Abloy Protec 2 because it needs very specialized tools, or the Zeiss Ikon SK6 Sperrwelle Extra Code (which I made a video on) as it is manufactured to extremely tight tolerances.
you didnt pick it
Watch this, learn, then try again czcams.com/video/sES_Hbj92BQ/video.html
Also, I can assure you it's me and not someone else in this video :P
You don’t need to pick the lock it is faster to get a 6mm hole saw and take the front plate off and push the pin aside and the lock will come off
Heh heh, but since I'm a hobby locksport picker, the only reason for me to play with a lock is to pick it. I don't concern myself with how to get into a lock that is in use (ie. installed in a door etc)
@@norlin76 I worked for them and know a few tricks lol 😂
very unsatisfying that you turned it right to reset it instead of turning it left to see the action.
Check out the link in the description if you want to see the longer video with bolt movement. In locksport, moving the bolt has no importance which is why I left it out.
It is not picked, the locking bars does not move.
It is picked, you need to understand a bit more about lock picking. But just for comments like this I made this video: czcams.com/video/sES_Hbj92BQ/video.html
Gotta be a Fake. BosnianBill could have had this open in ten seconds.
Heh heh, he asked for help on this particular lock though.
ПРОШУ ПРОЩЕНИЯ ЗА КАПСЛОК. НО ЧТОБЫ ОБРАТИЛИ ВНИМАНИЕ ТЕ КТО СОМНЕВАЕТСЯ В ПРИОБРЕТЕНИИ.
РЕБЯТА! НЕ МОГУ СКАЗАТЬ ЯВЛЯЕТСЯ ЛИ ЧЕЛОВЕК В ДАННОМ ВИДЕО ПРОФЕССИОНАЛОМ, НО В ИДЕАЛЬНЫХ (ЛАБОРАТОРНЫХ) УСЛОВИЯХ ОН ВЗЛАМЫВАЛ ЭТОТ ЗАМОК (ВНИМАНИЕ!) БОЛЬШЕ 10-ти МИНУТ! естественно потренировавшись перед съёмкой.
В РЕАЛЬНЫХ УСЛОВИЯХ ВРЕМЯ ЗАТЯНУЛОСЬ БЫ НА 20 мин МИНИМУМ! ЧТО ДЕЛАЕТ АБСОЛЮТНО БЕССМЫСЛЕННЫМ ЭТО ЗАНЯТИЕ ЕСЛИ ДОПОЛНИТЕЛЬНО УСТАНОВЛЕН ЕЩЕ НЕСКОЛЬКО ЗАМКОВ. ВОРЫ ПОД ДВЕРЬЮ от 30 мин до 1 часа СИДЕТЬ НЕ БУДУТ 😏
Thieves wouldn't be picking locks, they'd be breaking them or breaking in another way. I only do this for fun, so if I were to practice on a single lock you could expect the times to drop significantly. That said, this lock is very good at what it does from a picking perspective. I cannot comment on how good it would resist a drill or other destructive attack, which is a far better measure of how good a lock is.
Also, people always mention "lab conditions", having a camera in the way isn't "lab conditions", the lock is not at a good angle for picking, in front of a door I would be able to get a clear view of the keyway and not have to worry about blocking the view of the camera.
Why didn't you show all the opening?. Fake I think.
Please explain, what do you mean by all the opening? Like repeat the exact same process enough times to retract the bolt? Anyone who is familiar with picking simple tubular locks knows that this is just a repetitive process and isn't necessary to prove a lot is picked open. But if you want to believe something is fake, that's up to you, I have nothing to prove.
Here is an example of what it would be like to pick a lock completely open where you just repeat the same process over and over, czcams.com/video/yI4A2NIYEA0/video.html
I explain during the video why I don't do this and why it's not necessary to do so to prove the lock is picked. You'd just have to watch and pay attention to the video.
@@norlin76 👆🏼
@@norlin76 the lock bolts didn't even move
@@maf2 That was not the goal of demonstrating the pick...come back when you understand a bit more about locks and I'll be happy to discuss
@@norlin76 so it's a fake
Fantastic picking as always. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thanks, you too!