I’m an approved stockist for this lock. The passive pins drop down when the lock is the correct way up. It’s designed to withstand sustained attack. Thieves don’t use picks in the UK. It’s all lock snapping.
The fact it's "easy" (in lpl terms) to pick is an asset. It's hard enough that a noob picker couldn't do it with those security pins, but means if you get locked out a locksmith should be able to get you back in without having to destroy the lock or door.
Most thieves don't use picks in general. It's something that takes dedication and practice. If they were willing to commit that to something, they wouldn't be criminals. And sure, there are some more "career" criminals that have "honed their craft" so to speak, but they're not the type to burgle a house.
Those passive pins just provide key control as a key with all passive pin cuts present will operate any combination of passive pinning, it's a super basic and weak kind of master keying/access control which is exactly why LPL said they're unusual on residential locks (1:10), they're not put in for withstanding sustained attack, they're brass for starters. Even when they drop down into place, they're designed to be pushed in to the core upon rotation similar to how sidebars retract. They do not depend on gravity to fall, yes they have no springs but think about years after use when they get all grimey and don't move by gravity alone. They move in and out as the core gets turned. The passive cuts on the key allow those pins the space to be retracted on rotation. They don't provide any security as far as attacking goes.
911Locksmiths that was exactly my assumption; this design implies that low skill destructive attacks on the lock must be a bigger issue in the UK than it is in America. Not having been to the UK, I assume that the doors there must be more stout than they are in America, because here you see weaker locks and more attacks on door jams and windows.
We’re just job smacked at the precision & speed every Lock you do Great review & gutting we’ve been interested in this lock for a while due to the UK hype & rubbish reviews on picking them Thanks LPL ✅
We have these locks, and I also use their padlock on my bike chain so its quire reassuring to see they are resistant to brute force attacks which is the most likely form of attack they would see in the UK where most house breakers are smack heads who wouldnt have the patience to pick a lock but try to snap it.
That lock is definitely what you need in the UK. I have a crap Yale brand Euro lock but it has decent snap protection. Snapping is the technique of choice... But yeah as some other guys observed, you picked it upside down making it way easier I suspect. I'd be interested to see you pick it the way it would be oriented when installed. In any event UK burglary is all brute force and ignorance and let's not forget you are probably the best lock picker on CZcams, not the average UK burglar!
@@lockpickinglawyer I was about to purchase these euro cylinders to replace my standard Yale 70mm’s that are currently fitted. Which is the absolute best euro cylinder you would recommend?
Another fantastic LPL autopsy. I have just started lock picking and quickly discovered the contrasting delights of Bosnian Bill and the Lock Picking Lawyer. This is an interesting lock, look at that core! Beautiful. I would be happy to have this on my own door as it has great protection from the typical attack vectors used by criminals. It's nice to see MI5 will be able to come and go as they please
The most common forced entry in the uk is snapping the euro cylinders as with the right tools its quick. This is still a good lock to protect against this method of attack.
Wow, I’m amazed how quickly they went, I have the ABS avocet 3 which took you much longer and was far more complex, it’s one of the longest picks I have seen you do, this one was alarmingly easy. I’m sticking with ABS for now.
I had the key snap on me in one of these locks (a long story). The locksmith tried a drill first, when that didn't work he went onto a die grinder, it took more than 20 minutes to get through it. I was happy to have another one of these replace the original.
A lot of thought has been put into that lock. Wow. I started picking a few months ago after seeing LPL on youtube. Envious of his skills. Im mot sure i could open the locks he does if i had the keys.
One thing I have certainly learned from this man: If you pick with the right tools, nothing can stop you from opening the lock. Forget trying to break in, he never ever accepts that as an answer and is illegal. He never drills. Never used a rake gun. Does it by hand. Every bit of it. I love how precise he is. I am learning locksmithint because of him. He makes this look easy and kind of relaxing. I have been lockpicking my own locks so I can get into them myself. And my dads 50,000 lock collection with 5,000,000 keys. I have been able to attain what I need with this knowledge with a tyrannical 6 year old on the mix. This man the LPL is very informative. I appreciate it.
To be fair, most attacks on Euro-format cylinders are going to be snapping attacks, because if you have the tool you need almost no skill to use it. Drilling next, no skill required but can be noisy. Picking least likely, because that needs skill. Of course, if this lock became very common then burglars would have to learn picking skills and then other locks would be a better choice. Right now, for all its faults, it might be the best of a bad choice. Not great, not good, but not as shit as the rest in terms of vulnerability to the most common attacks.
As known most locks are made to combat destructive entry & also most smack-head burglars couldn"t even "pick" their nose properly............................
there's also the matter of 'picking' the lock. As in, choosing. If you're a smack-head, you might not care about what the exact target is, so just move on to a lock you dont need picking skills for.
@@alanjenkins1508 This seems to be a common misconception. The passive pins don't rely on gravity at all, the orientation of the lock makes no difference to its operation (same as picking). Those pins are designed to be forced into the key ONLY as the core rotates. The lock body features rounded dips where the passive pins can sit and jam up the core but only if the key is present and doesn't have those passive cuts for them to retract into. When rotating the core, they are forced towards the key, but if you're picking without a key then that literally acts like a key with all passive pins because there's no material to stop them being forced inwards. Also think about years after heavy use, locks and their pins get super grimey and don't move freely from gravity alone, imagine having a gravity-dependant lock in this situation lol.
I know you already picked it at least once but your speed is very humbling. Looking at the pins, i'm curious why it didn't take a lot longer. Big fan, massive respect from the UK.
I recently found your videos and found them to be excellent in quality and information. You've gotten me interested in getting into lock picking and I recently ordered a basic sparrow set. I'm a bit tight on cash and am looking for some inexpensive locks to practice with. I purchased one of the masterlock loto locks with the amazing core and a couple other locks that should be easy to get into. I was wondering if you have a video or could suggest a few different inexpensive locks that would be good practice/experience for single pin picking as that style is what mostly interests me.
When I trained as a locksmith I really struggled to pick this lock. ABS three star is similar and it took three TCT drill bits and twenty minutes to drill.
Great pick, you make it look so easy, over here in the uk snapping is the main attack method, i suppose Brisant think its not worth bothering with anti pick protection but if this lock is so easy to pick then criminals may consider learning pick techniques which is a bad thing. I may change to a different manufacturer like Mul t lock to ensure the security of my customers.
I have one of these on my front door, the door itself is solid and would resist a heavy beating, and the surrounding handle etc would make snapping impossible so this would only leave drilling or picking as an option. I would be worried about the picking but considering I live in an old house with sash windows, the door locks are the least of my worries.
Theres a big difference lock picking sitting down, under studio lights and angling the cylinder upside down in calm conditions, hand clearly penetrating the "door" space, no threat of any police or homeowner/neighbour seeing you with a baseball bat. How about middle of the night, cold, wearing gloves, balaclava over your face, pressure of being caught, trying to be quick...picking would be harder?
I'm stunned a UK company can still produce work of this apparent quality. However, LPL, I'm starting to detect a common theme with various types of locks. As you say, the manufacturers close one door (often very competently and comprehensively) yet they leave another wide open to abuse. There has to be a reason for this. In the case of the Chinese copies it's clearly a commercial decision to cut corners to save money. Many companies such as Master appear to trade off their public reputation and marketing claims which are often grossly exaggerated. But some serious companies clearly spend a great deal of time and money developing and manufacturing very high quality, clever and often sophisticated locks, and in particular cores, which are either extremely resistant to brute force attack, and are equally extremely vulnerable to picking or even raking or bumping, or vice versa. I'm not a lock picker. I lack the patience. But as a former experimental aircraft engineer, I can often recognise both the vulnerabilities and the potential solutions in each case. As a designer, I can often come up with a viable solution. Several actually. Indeed I've junked about a dozen so far. But as a dot connector, I'm left wondering if the lock manufacturing industry is not in a nod and a wink agreement with other parties (law enforcement, intelligence agencies, locksmith trade etc) NOT to make their locks invulnerable to ALL types of attack. For instance, where is the lock core buried 20mm behind multiple hardened spinners? Yes, I'm aware of the issues this would throw up in terms of manufacture, cost and ease of operation, and I've (eventually) figured out viable solutions. Some are actually even fairly simple and cheap to apply. Others are capable of turning an otherwise bar of soap level of resistance (as in the case of your bolt extractor, and Bosnian Bill's 40 second hacksaw attack) into a frustrating nightmare for even the most determined attacker. By this I don't mean I believe I can design lock cores. I can't. I acknowledge that is another discipline entirely, upon which I don't propose to poach. I can however design lock bodies that protect the core - from BOTH picking (denying the ability to tension the core) AND brute force attack, as well as actions that are equally resistant. This leaves me with the nagging question: Why can't they...?
Just a thought I've had, but I'm thinking they leave locks vulnerable to protect what's around the lock. If someone is determined to get inside no lock will keep them out. If the lock won't give way, the door itself could be broken, or the walls, the windows, the roof. The uninformed and "casual" robber might be deterred by a hyped up lock, while a professional would look to sidestep an annoying lock.
I think that the majority of domestic property invasions are by physical attacks and not lock-picking. LPL is a very talented picker, but your average Ned lacks the patience and tools to pick a lock, and the main job of locks is to a) intimidate or b) frustrate the burglar and induce him to move on to easier pickings. If however your property has been targeted they will be coming in one way or another unless you have turned your house into a fortress. It’s still disappointing to see LPL so easily pick the lock, especially when I consider just how much I’ve spent on these locks for my home.
@@paulfitzgerald7513 didn't you read? He's a former experimental aircraft engineer. I too used to design experimental aircraft. Aged 4. Using Crayola crayons. They had laser powered engines and one had feet instead of wheels! I guess that makes me a former experimental aircraft engineer too?
those 'slugs' are meant to be the anti drill pins, which drop into place when you use a drill, and they 'should' stop your drill from spinning, therefore stopping you from drilling open the lock, I have a custom Euro 10 (+4) door lock (custom designed), and several locksmiths have tried, but those tend to drop into place and stop the drill..
i just dont really get passive pins. they've already done more then 50% of the work, it would seem, so why not make them active pins? they've already put them in the lock and drilled the key.. just need a spring and driver pin.
There isn’t enough room on that side of the core to put springs. You see the shape of the cylinder, right? You’d need a second protrusion from the cylinder for the second set of springs and drivers, and then nobody can use it because it doesn’t fit in any doors.
Passive pins only really provide a benefit in some situations, it's a really low budget way to imitate master keying for example. But in residential settings, it seems to be most common to prevent other locksmiths from copying your keys. Official dealerships of certain locks often get given a batch of pre-cut passive cuts in their key blanks so they can't be sold to third party, and it means your keys can only be cut by 1 locksmith only (which both increases security, and stops high security blanks ending up on unofficial markets)
@@Nitrxgen this is likely what they are used for. When a cloned key came onto the marketplace Brisant changed the keyway slightly. This resulted in new keys working on old locks, but old keys wouldn't work on new locks (i.e keyed alike). You could open the door by forcing the key in, but this risked the key getting stuck. Brisant really likes to keep control of their keys.
The Euro Locks are one of the best But you have to have the anti snap ones in the door. Most of the doors now have a locking system built into them so you are not relying on just the lock. There is a number of locking catches up the length of the door that engage. making them harder to force open. But when it is backed up with a vibration censor on your alarm system That will set the alarm off before and serious attempt is made on a door or window. No point in having alarm censors that only activate when a door or window is opened because they wont go off if the glass is taken out. The damage is done by then. Nice picking dhow
A bonus of Ultion is that you can have all your locks made to match a single key, so one keys fits all for the whole house. You just have to call them and prove who you are.
You did that very professionally LPL. Just amazing skill. I cant help but wonder why they make such a fantastic lock and still leave some pins passive.
LPL, you have good hands. I'm talking function here, not appearance. :-) Few, I think, would be the thieves who would understand that lock's internals well enough to regard it a soft target for picking. All those pins! And that impressive keyway. But that's "security by obscurity" which we IT guys well know is a flimsy defense at the end of the day. Not to mention you've just dealt the obscurity a fatal blow.
Ace video. Would love to see the same thing for competitors to this lock like the Avocet ABS 3 and Yale Platinum 3 star. Those Ultions are expensive and if they can be picked so easily I hardly see the point. I wonder if the others are any better?
Well now I'm dying to see it drilled. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen a demonstration on CZcams or elsewhere of just how well or not well all these anti drill measures work.
Well given its 3 star rating and Sold Secure 312 diamond mark this means that it needs to conform to BS Standard 1303:2015 which states that "it shall not be possible to rotate the cam using a maximum torque of 5 Newton Metres without the correct key after drilling" - this drilling is for a set period of time. In the case of this lock I believe that is 5 minutes.
i wonder what would happen if you changed the anti bump stronger spring to a piece of silicone oring with a cross section of 0.104 and cut to length so you can just barely load the top pin into the shell.. that might make it actually pick proof and bump key proof as very few if any picks would be strong enough to lift the last pin to the shear line with a pick.. just a thought.. i know that most viewers here love to unlock locks.. i love to lock them securely.. Gerry L. Finch was a friend of mine.
The main problems may be temperature-dependent flexibility and aging effects under many thousands of stress cycles. The lock-pickers, on the other hand, would find a way to overcome it for sure.
Far more impressed by the skill employed in taking down the mechanism than the actual security it provides. It is obvious that picking skill always trumps design complication.
I've snapped these clean off because of too much cylinder sticking out of the door on commercial properties, leaving me with one pin to drill then I can turn the cam with a screwdriver. Even easier if they are fitted the wrong way around, snap and just turn the cam. Need to be picked or drilled on a residential building because the handles usually protect the cylinder from being snapped.
The steel gumdrops seem to be a combo of anti-drill, anti-shim and tolerance wear protection. Try shoving a shim up in that one to see what the tolerance is on the slugs. They *could* also be magnetic dead-pins.
@LockPickingLawyer Good lock, I would recommend it tbh. Burglars are usually not in the market for learning a skill. 99.9% of the time they snap, bump, drill, or pull cores. and if any of those methods fail for over a few minutes, they bail out. I have never, *ever* heard of a break-in where the lock has been skillfully picked. Ever... at all... none, zip, zero, rein, nada... Anti pick is for that reason the lowest priority on chosing a lock to secure your home. But I would not say no priority, just the lowest.
I'm interested, would this be a good project lock? Replacing key pins and messing with the core a little? Or would that really not be viable with the short driver pins making for an easy pick no matter what you do? I'm in love with the destructive defences but everything else seems to miss the entire point of a lock, preventing entry without a key.
You ever feel like a fish out of water? No idea what the hell somebody is talking about? That is how I feel right now. I have no idea what any of this means and yet it is so captivating and fascinating that i simply cannot look away. Becoming a locksmith probably isn't for me, considering I would forget where most parts came from or have to go but i might pick up a new hobby of lock picking. My pops a few years ago was so glad that he bought a security lock like this and was relieved that he didn't need to worry about lock picks no more, well guess I'll have to show him something new. It is actually kinda scary how quickly you picked it open.
start by watching some videos on cut-outs of simple locks, or animated ones. Or get a transparent lock yourself. With channels like these, I also find, that you pick some bits of info up each time you watch another one. It'll start to make more sense as you see repeating things.
I've never had to drill or snap/pull this lock personally due to its floored pinning, but do you know if its possible to overcome/defeat the active pin in the mid section by ****** or is it hardened steel?
All this lock picking your doing on euro cylinders is made me want to upgrade mine , what would you recommend as the best and most secure cylinder on the market? As I guess none are actually unpickable
If you combine this with the lock lock handle they sell, is the picking issue somewhat mitigated? Obviously only useful if you are inside the property to engage the lock lock handles though. But at that point you get the benefits of the anti snap, anti drill and I assume picking as it won't open with the key.
I see. BTW, I was tooling around on eBay last night, looking at locks when I came across this one - www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-70mm-Aluminum-Door-Lock-Cylinder-Home-Security-Anti-Bump-Drill-Pick-3-Keys/122839667809 I thought you might get a kick out of its description - New 70mm Aluminum Door Lock Cylinder Home Security Anti/Bump/Drill/Pick
It looks easy to pick (for somebody with the skills), but all it would need is to recess the key face into a deep counterbore and extended key so the lock picker could not see the lock face.
Looking at it, I'm guessing they've made it to combat the most likely attacks. It would be interesting to know how many locks are defeated by brute force Vs picking. It's just like tanks being more heavily armoured at the front than the rear.
@LockPickingLawyer Can you do it again please, but make sure it is the right way up, ie. the core should be top with the word ULTION reading the right way up. Maybe those "passive" pins plays a part? Gravity works wonders.
Wow! Just make the ultimate lock by manufacturing the cylinder and bible out of hardened steel and put all sucurity pins in there!! They are already close with all that anti drill protection!
If you were locking your motorcycle which lock would you want? Most bike thieves don't know how to pick locks but they do know how to operate bolt cutters or power cutters/grinders. Some will know how to pick. I need a good strong lock ASAP. Thanks.
I am curious- does this leave any marks on the lock? Our lock (from a Gardesa door from 2010 with some Euro cilinder- im not there now to check which one it was) was perfectly picked. No marks and the couple of locksmiths who checked it say the security door wasnt locked. They claim a card was used but I've once tried the card technique myself when locked outside and I couldn't get even the thinnest paper in there (I had learned the technique from videos). Somehow I dont think I made such a grave mistake to leave it unlocked and have different recollections but Im starting to doubt myself.. All my family was abroad and I was alone before leaving to join them.. The apartment next to ours wasnt even touched- noone lives there although its full of furniture and stuff. However, the apartment below us where a family with children live, their door which is newer than ours (but allegedly not as secure according to my non expert brother) had marks on it. However the burglars didnt manage to get in. Im so confused as to how the burglars unlocked our door. I wonder whether this was accidental or actually done by experts who targeted us specifically and the attempt at the door below us was just a decoy (I was being harassed lately)
This isn't specific to this video but I'm looking for a pick set good quality and with a good variety of picks and tension wrenches at an affordable price it would be greatly appreciated
Coming from the UK and being an English "bloke" 😄 I have to say I'm disappointed with the Ultion lock. As Michael Maynard has mentioned in his review it seems like the marketing of the lock got a whole load more attention than the technical side. The hard work seems to have been done but they left the lock half finished and vulnerable to picking. You would also have to question the method of testing for the lock to achieve the certification and security standard it has been awarded. A lock being "sold secure" and three star obviously isnt worth the paper its written on. Nice work LPL!
Mr Maynard - in czcams.com/video/UcMdf5aR7JY/video.html - proposed the theory that the locks from mass production were unreliable or easily jammed with long pins or high pin stacks in place. Deficient pick protection is the result. However, after watching many videos from LPL, BB etc., I can't understand how any straight cylinder with openly accessible pins can ever be considered picking-resistant.
I don't think this lock being vulnerable to picking is that bad. Your average oik house burglar can *maybe* rake open a basic pin tumbler, but most of the time they go for brute force attacks, snapping, drilling, brick through a window (I love ultion's marketing BS that claims 85% of break ins are done with snapping) which this lock is beefed up to defend against. there are maybe half a dozen people with LPL's picking skill so this lock folding to him isn't much to write home about.
Thank you for that LPL So the snapping is solved but the picking sort of easy still, however (I don't like saying this) 1 your a skilled picker, 2 the likelihood we would see a picker of your standing is unlikely. I have my reservations as these are on PVC doors and in practice, a burglar would be put off just by the anti snapping. If they were that determined you would go for the windows for ease of access. The video I saw of snapping is unreal in ease on the unprotected locks.
What kinds of things would have made this lock harder to pick? More security pins + variety? Spring weight variety? The passive pins actually doing something other than adding to the pin count?
I have this new lock it's 3 star ⭐ it's,£2000 now we dont hage lock picking in the uk like somone else said its lock snapping that they use itsna very good lock which like u said had a pint that locks the cam off so its very secure
I have a very similar lock, though from Yale (Platinum 3 Star Cylinder range) which uses a different key profile. Not sure how, if at all, it changes pick resistance. As the door sits directly under a CCTV camera I can’t see anyone spend time trying to pick it though and will likely head straight to more destructive techniques.
when he said "let me check if it's hardened steel" i expected him to bang it with a hammer and see if it'll stay in one peice. Either that or look up it's criminal record
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I’m an approved stockist for this lock. The passive pins drop down when the lock is the correct way up. It’s designed to withstand sustained attack. Thieves don’t use picks in the UK. It’s all lock snapping.
The fact it's "easy" (in lpl terms) to pick is an asset. It's hard enough that a noob picker couldn't do it with those security pins, but means if you get locked out a locksmith should be able to get you back in without having to destroy the lock or door.
Most thieves don't use picks in general. It's something that takes dedication and practice. If they were willing to commit that to something, they wouldn't be criminals. And sure, there are some more "career" criminals that have "honed their craft" so to speak, but they're not the type to burgle a house.
Those passive pins just provide key control as a key with all passive pin cuts present will operate any combination of passive pinning, it's a super basic and weak kind of master keying/access control which is exactly why LPL said they're unusual on residential locks (1:10), they're not put in for withstanding sustained attack, they're brass for starters. Even when they drop down into place, they're designed to be pushed in to the core upon rotation similar to how sidebars retract. They do not depend on gravity to fall, yes they have no springs but think about years after use when they get all grimey and don't move by gravity alone. They move in and out as the core gets turned. The passive cuts on the key allow those pins the space to be retracted on rotation. They don't provide any security as far as attacking goes.
911Locksmiths that was exactly my assumption; this design implies that low skill destructive attacks on the lock must be a bigger issue in the UK than it is in America.
Not having been to the UK, I assume that the doors there must be more stout than they are in America, because here you see weaker locks and more attacks on door jams and windows.
Ashton Kemerling Yes the doors are generally strong and the crooks just snap the locks.
We’re just job smacked at the precision & speed every Lock you do
Great review & gutting we’ve been interested in this lock for a while due to the UK hype & rubbish reviews on picking them Thanks LPL ✅
It's like leaving a key outside
We have these locks, and I also use their padlock on my bike chain so its quire reassuring to see they are resistant to brute force attacks which is the most likely form of attack they would see in the UK where most house breakers are smack heads who wouldnt have the patience to pick a lock but try to snap it.
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I have three of these locks securing the doors of my house. Seems like I made a solid choice so long as Billy Burglar isn't an artisan locksmith. 👍🏻
That lock is definitely what you need in the UK. I have a crap Yale brand Euro lock but it has decent snap protection. Snapping is the technique of choice... But yeah as some other guys observed, you picked it upside down making it way easier I suspect. I'd be interested to see you pick it the way it would be oriented when installed. In any event UK burglary is all brute force and ignorance and let's not forget you are probably the best lock picker on CZcams, not the average UK burglar!
An interesting lock. Considering all the good engineering, it's a shame they didn't spend a few more cents on ... better pinning.
Agreed. This is literally easier to open than the first dimple lock I ever opened... the Abus d6.
LockPickingLawyer sure you get asked a lot but do you test security systems locks maybe safe’s etc?.
Oh. These have just come as standard on new doors to my house!
@@lockpickinglawyer I was about to purchase these euro cylinders to replace my standard Yale 70mm’s that are currently fitted. Which is the absolute best euro cylinder you would recommend?
@@sounduser yes I ended up getting them they operate incredibly smoothly
fascinating to watch a master locksmith at work . Rarely see this level of craft skill in any field these days. Excellent presentation too
The anti-drill department not speaking to the anti-snap department not speaking to the anti-pick department.
Another fantastic LPL autopsy. I have just started lock picking and quickly discovered the contrasting delights of Bosnian Bill and the Lock Picking Lawyer. This is an interesting lock, look at that core! Beautiful. I would be happy to have this on my own door as it has great protection from the typical attack vectors used by criminals. It's nice to see MI5 will be able to come and go as they please
The most common forced entry in the uk is snapping the euro cylinders as with the right tools its quick. This is still a good lock to protect against this method of attack.
Absolutely. Beautiful lock , excellent demonstration how to, thank you
Wow, I’m amazed how quickly they went, I have the ABS avocet 3 which took you much longer and was far more complex, it’s one of the longest picks I have seen you do, this one was alarmingly easy. I’m sticking with ABS for now.
Holy crap!! Ridiculous overkill on the core but still left it that easy. Wow. Thank you mind blowing
I had the key snap on me in one of these locks (a long story). The locksmith tried a drill first, when that didn't work he went onto a die grinder, it took more than 20 minutes to get through it. I was happy to have another one of these replace the original.
"locksmith" lmao
Absolute artistry watching that pick, awesome work!
A lot of thought has been put into that lock. Wow. I started picking a few months ago after seeing LPL on youtube. Envious of his skills. Im mot sure i could open the locks he does if i had the keys.
Love your video, really wanting to get into the lock sport, watch you and BosnianBill love seeing the pins so i can further learn how to pick
One thing I have certainly learned from this man:
If you pick with the right tools, nothing can stop you from opening the lock.
Forget trying to break in, he never ever accepts that as an answer and is illegal. He never drills. Never used a rake gun. Does it by hand. Every bit of it. I love how precise he is. I am learning locksmithint because of him. He makes this look easy and kind of relaxing. I have been lockpicking my own locks so I can get into them myself. And my dads 50,000 lock collection with 5,000,000 keys. I have been able to attain what I need with this knowledge with a tyrannical 6 year old on the mix. This man the LPL is very informative. I appreciate it.
To be fair, most attacks on Euro-format cylinders are going to be snapping attacks, because if you have the tool you need almost no skill to use it. Drilling next, no skill required but can be noisy. Picking least likely, because that needs skill.
Of course, if this lock became very common then burglars would have to learn picking skills and then other locks would be a better choice. Right now, for all its faults, it might be the best of a bad choice. Not great, not good, but not as shit as the rest in terms of vulnerability to the most common attacks.
As known most locks are made to combat destructive entry & also most smack-head burglars couldn"t even "pick" their nose properly............................
For unskilled thieves, automatic tools are available. I do not know if they just do bumping and raking and how well they handle security pins.
Halberdin pick guns are shit and only work on particularly vulnerable locks. Anti bump measures should stop that attack as well.
Most of the piky theiving gits in the UK don't go on a burglary with a pick set. They'll snap the lock, then drill and then smash a window
there's also the matter of 'picking' the lock. As in, choosing. If you're a smack-head, you might not care about what the exact target is, so just move on to a lock you dont need picking skills for.
Youve got the lock upside down - in the UK they are fitted with the core at the top and the pins and springs at the bottom.
I assume the passive pins fall into place due to gravity.
Exactly
@@alanjenkins1508 This seems to be a common misconception. The passive pins don't rely on gravity at all, the orientation of the lock makes no difference to its operation (same as picking). Those pins are designed to be forced into the key ONLY as the core rotates. The lock body features rounded dips where the passive pins can sit and jam up the core but only if the key is present and doesn't have those passive cuts for them to retract into. When rotating the core, they are forced towards the key, but if you're picking without a key then that literally acts like a key with all passive pins because there's no material to stop them being forced inwards. Also think about years after heavy use, locks and their pins get super grimey and don't move freely from gravity alone, imagine having a gravity-dependant lock in this situation lol.
@@Nitrxgen thanks, finally I understand passive pins.
What a huge mess of pins!!! At my skill level, it would take me days and tons of coffee, to re assemble this lock! Huge respect to you sir!
I know you already picked it at least once but your speed is very humbling. Looking at the pins, i'm curious why it didn't take a lot longer.
Big fan, massive respect from the UK.
I recently found your videos and found them to be excellent in quality and information. You've gotten me interested in getting into lock picking and I recently ordered a basic sparrow set. I'm a bit tight on cash and am looking for some inexpensive locks to practice with. I purchased one of the masterlock loto locks with the amazing core and a couple other locks that should be easy to get into. I was wondering if you have a video or could suggest a few different inexpensive locks that would be good practice/experience for single pin picking as that style is what mostly interests me.
Great picking brother and thanks for the review!
When I trained as a locksmith I really struggled to pick this lock. ABS three star is similar and it took three TCT drill bits and twenty minutes to drill.
Great pick, you make it look so easy, over here in the uk snapping is the main attack method, i suppose Brisant think its not worth bothering with anti pick protection but if this lock is so easy to pick then criminals may consider learning pick techniques which is a bad thing. I may change to a different manufacturer like Mul t lock to ensure the security of my customers.
That's why we should use anti-burglar mines
I have one of these on my front door, the door itself is solid and would resist a heavy beating, and the surrounding handle etc would make snapping impossible so this would only leave drilling or picking as an option. I would be worried about the picking but considering I live in an old house with sash windows, the door locks are the least of my worries.
Theres a big difference lock picking sitting down, under studio lights and angling the cylinder upside down in calm conditions, hand clearly penetrating the "door" space, no threat of any police or homeowner/neighbour seeing you with a baseball bat. How about middle of the night, cold, wearing gloves, balaclava over your face, pressure of being caught, trying to be quick...picking would be harder?
I'm stunned a UK company can still produce work of this apparent quality.
However, LPL, I'm starting to detect a common theme with various types of locks. As you say, the manufacturers close one door (often very competently and comprehensively) yet they leave another wide open to abuse.
There has to be a reason for this. In the case of the Chinese copies it's clearly a commercial decision to cut corners to save money.
Many companies such as Master appear to trade off their public reputation and marketing claims which are often grossly exaggerated.
But some serious companies clearly spend a great deal of time and money developing and manufacturing very high quality, clever and often sophisticated locks, and in particular cores, which are either extremely resistant to brute force attack, and are equally extremely vulnerable to picking or even raking or bumping, or vice versa.
I'm not a lock picker. I lack the patience. But as a former experimental aircraft engineer, I can often recognise both the vulnerabilities and the potential solutions in each case. As a designer, I can often come up with a viable solution. Several actually. Indeed I've junked about a dozen so far.
But as a dot connector, I'm left wondering if the lock manufacturing industry is not in a nod and a wink agreement with other parties (law enforcement, intelligence agencies, locksmith trade etc) NOT to make their locks invulnerable to ALL types of attack.
For instance, where is the lock core buried 20mm behind multiple hardened spinners? Yes, I'm aware of the issues this would throw up in terms of manufacture, cost and ease of operation, and I've (eventually) figured out viable solutions. Some are actually even fairly simple and cheap to apply. Others are capable of turning an otherwise bar of soap level of resistance (as in the case of your bolt extractor, and Bosnian Bill's 40 second hacksaw attack) into a frustrating nightmare for even the most determined attacker.
By this I don't mean I believe I can design lock cores. I can't. I acknowledge that is another discipline entirely, upon which I don't propose to poach.
I can however design lock bodies that protect the core - from BOTH picking (denying the ability to tension the core) AND brute force attack, as well as actions that are equally resistant.
This leaves me with the nagging question: Why can't they...?
Just a thought I've had, but I'm thinking they leave locks vulnerable to protect what's around the lock. If someone is determined to get inside no lock will keep them out. If the lock won't give way, the door itself could be broken, or the walls, the windows, the roof. The uninformed and "casual" robber might be deterred by a hyped up lock, while a professional would look to sidestep an annoying lock.
I think that the majority of domestic property invasions are by physical attacks and not lock-picking. LPL is a very talented picker, but your average Ned lacks the patience and tools to pick a lock, and the main job of locks is to a) intimidate or b) frustrate the burglar and induce him to move on to easier pickings. If however your property has been targeted they will be coming in one way or another unless you have turned your house into a fortress. It’s still disappointing to see LPL so easily pick the lock, especially when I consider just how much I’ve spent on these locks for my home.
Patronising prick! What makes you think you are so special?
@@paulfitzgerald7513 didn't you read? He's a former experimental aircraft engineer.
I too used to design experimental aircraft. Aged 4. Using Crayola crayons. They had laser powered engines and one had feet instead of wheels!
I guess that makes me a former experimental aircraft engineer too?
Really great educational video. How would this compare to a more well-known brand in the UK like Yale 3 star TS007?
Thanks for another great video. I have one question, what would you use for the SPP to be made harder on this lock?
those 'slugs' are meant to be the anti drill pins, which drop into place when you use a drill, and they 'should' stop your drill from spinning, therefore stopping you from drilling open the lock, I have a custom Euro 10 (+4) door lock (custom designed), and several locksmiths have tried, but those tend to drop into place and stop the drill..
Nice job! Is it possible to rotate completely after picking? No protection against picking?
i just dont really get passive pins. they've already done more then 50% of the work, it would seem, so why not make them active pins? they've already put them in the lock and drilled the key.. just need a spring and driver pin.
There isn’t enough room on that side of the core to put springs. You see the shape of the cylinder, right? You’d need a second protrusion from the cylinder for the second set of springs and drivers, and then nobody can use it because it doesn’t fit in any doors.
Install the lock the right way up (in the UK euro core locks are always installed core up top) and they come into play.
Passive pins only really provide a benefit in some situations, it's a really low budget way to imitate master keying for example. But in residential settings, it seems to be most common to prevent other locksmiths from copying your keys. Official dealerships of certain locks often get given a batch of pre-cut passive cuts in their key blanks so they can't be sold to third party, and it means your keys can only be cut by 1 locksmith only (which both increases security, and stops high security blanks ending up on unofficial markets)
@@Nitrxgen this is likely what they are used for. When a cloned key came onto the marketplace Brisant changed the keyway slightly. This resulted in new keys working on old locks, but old keys wouldn't work on new locks (i.e keyed alike). You could open the door by forcing the key in, but this risked the key getting stuck. Brisant really likes to keep control of their keys.
The lock is upside down holding up the pins could u try picking it the right way up
Didn't want to be defeated. CZcams is full of subtle manipulators
Theres is a video by Lock picking noob with it facing the right way up its. Still very easy to pick.
Great job my friend very nice picking😊😊👍😎👍👍
Excellent pick and gut thanks for the video 👍👍👍👍
The Euro Locks are one of the best But you have to have the anti snap ones in the door. Most of the doors now have a locking system built into them so you are not relying on just the lock. There is a number of locking catches up the length of the door that engage. making them harder to force open. But when it is backed up with a vibration censor on your alarm system That will set the alarm off before and serious attempt is made on a door or window. No point in having alarm censors that only activate when a door or window is opened because they wont go off if the glass is taken out. The damage is done by then. Nice picking dhow
love to see you pick these locks under stress bet the out come would be a lot different
A bonus of Ultion is that you can have all your locks made to match a single key, so one keys fits all for the whole house. You just have to call them and prove who you are.
One set of locks I'd be interested in seeing if they can be circumvented are the new electronic keyless locks from Yale
Fast picking, Awesome..
You did that very professionally LPL. Just amazing skill. I cant help but wonder why they make such a fantastic lock and still leave some pins passive.
It's installed the other way round, so those pins drop down with gravity.
LPL, you have good hands. I'm talking function here, not appearance. :-)
Few, I think, would be the thieves who would understand that lock's internals well enough to regard it a soft target for picking. All those pins! And that impressive keyway. But that's "security by obscurity" which we IT guys well know is a flimsy defense at the end of the day. Not to mention you've just dealt the obscurity a fatal blow.
WOW! So many countermeasures, and yet so easy to pick. It's like leaving a key under the door mat.
Ace video. Would love to see the same thing for competitors to this lock like the Avocet ABS 3 and Yale Platinum 3 star. Those Ultions are expensive and if they can be picked so easily I hardly see the point. I wonder if the others are any better?
Well now I'm dying to see it drilled. Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen a demonstration on CZcams or elsewhere of just how well or not well all these anti drill measures work.
AsteroidsOnSteroids I'm sure that's an expensive lock but I would also love to see just how well it holds up against a drill attack.
bosnianbill 910 He drills through a bike lock with drill protection.
Thanks!
And holy moly, anti drill features are actually pretty damn effective.
Well given its 3 star rating and Sold Secure 312 diamond mark this means that it needs to conform to BS Standard 1303:2015 which states that "it shall not be possible to rotate the cam using a maximum torque of 5 Newton Metres without the correct key after drilling" - this drilling is for a set period of time. In the case of this lock I believe that is 5 minutes.
fromefun Thanks for that info, I couldn't understand the ... overkill of hardened steel. Now, it make sense.
i wonder what would happen if you changed the anti bump stronger spring to a piece of silicone oring with a cross section of 0.104 and cut to length so you can just barely load the top pin into the shell.. that might make it actually pick proof and bump key proof as very few if any picks would be strong enough to lift the last pin to the shear line with a pick.. just a thought.. i know that most viewers here love to unlock locks.. i love to lock them securely.. Gerry L. Finch was a friend of mine.
The main problems may be temperature-dependent flexibility and aging effects under many thousands of stress cycles. The lock-pickers, on the other hand, would find a way to overcome it for sure.
Far more impressed by the skill employed in taking down the mechanism than the actual security it provides. It is obvious that picking skill always trumps design complication.
I've snapped these clean off because of too much cylinder sticking out of the door on commercial properties, leaving me with one pin to drill then I can turn the cam with a screwdriver. Even easier if they are fitted the wrong way around, snap and just turn the cam. Need to be picked or drilled on a residential building because the handles usually protect the cylinder from being snapped.
You have Jedi level lockpicking skill. Cudos!
Yes, the FORCE is ... strong in this one!
The steel gumdrops seem to be a combo of anti-drill, anti-shim and tolerance wear protection. Try shoving a shim up in that one to see what the tolerance is on the slugs. They *could* also be magnetic dead-pins.
What's the difference from this lock and the newer 3star plus apart from having a thicker key?
Also is there a better lock available in the UK
Really great video brother nicely done
Lock upside down. Fitted the other way in UK. Passive pins dropped down Mr Lawyer chops
@LockPickingLawyer Good lock, I would recommend it tbh. Burglars are usually not in the market for learning a skill. 99.9% of the time they snap, bump, drill, or pull cores. and if any of those methods fail for over a few minutes, they bail out. I have never, *ever* heard of a break-in where the lock has been skillfully picked. Ever... at all... none, zip, zero, rein, nada... Anti pick is for that reason the lowest priority on chosing a lock to secure your home. But I would not say no priority, just the lowest.
This lock is a piece of art.
I'm interested, would this be a good project lock? Replacing key pins and messing with the core a little? Or would that really not be viable with the short driver pins making for an easy pick no matter what you do? I'm in love with the destructive defences but everything else seems to miss the entire point of a lock, preventing entry without a key.
Great job and video like always
Ultion now have a new WXM cylinder just out, is this one any better?
I know quite a few people who have Ultion locks very similar, if not the same as thos on their doors, it seems to be quite a common lock in the UK
You ever feel like a fish out of water? No idea what the hell somebody is talking about? That is how I feel right now. I have no idea what any of this means and yet it is so captivating and fascinating that i simply cannot look away. Becoming a locksmith probably isn't for me, considering I would forget where most parts came from or have to go but i might pick up a new hobby of lock picking. My pops a few years ago was so glad that he bought a security lock like this and was relieved that he didn't need to worry about lock picks no more, well guess I'll have to show him something new. It is actually kinda scary how quickly you picked it open.
start by watching some videos on cut-outs of simple locks, or animated ones. Or get a transparent lock yourself. With channels like these, I also find, that you pick some bits of info up each time you watch another one. It'll start to make more sense as you see repeating things.
I bought a dimple cutaway lock. What is the best bang for your buck pick set for dimple locks? Thanks
I've never had to drill or snap/pull this lock personally due to its floored pinning, but do you know if its possible to overcome/defeat the active pin in the mid section by ****** or is it hardened steel?
Now thieves will be able to pick these locks ... Thanks for your help. I hope they try it on your house first.
All this lock picking your doing on euro cylinders is made me want to upgrade mine , what would you recommend as the best and most secure cylinder on the market? As I guess none are actually unpickable
Compared to most U.S. locks, this could guard Fort Knox!
Nice solid lock have one myself however is it worth it thieves tend to blow torch the door handle off
If you combine this with the lock lock handle they sell, is the picking issue somewhat mitigated? Obviously only useful if you are inside the property to engage the lock lock handles though. But at that point you get the benefits of the anti snap, anti drill and I assume picking as it won't open with the key.
11:03 where did that little spring come from in the core? Looks like there's one solitary hole sitting at the front. What would that be for?
Probably a 12 o’clock detent.
I see.
BTW, I was tooling around on eBay last night, looking at locks when I came across this one -
www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-70mm-Aluminum-Door-Lock-Cylinder-Home-Security-Anti-Bump-Drill-Pick-3-Keys/122839667809
I thought you might get a kick out of its description -
New 70mm Aluminum Door Lock Cylinder Home Security Anti/Bump/Drill/Pick
Yup... it’s complete 💩.
I'm tempted to buy one and drill it. :)
It looks easy to pick (for somebody with the skills), but all it would need is to recess the key face into a deep counterbore and extended key so the lock picker could not see the lock face.
Have you picked it right side up?
Looking at it, I'm guessing they've made it to combat the most likely attacks. It would be interesting to know how many locks are defeated by brute force Vs picking. It's just like tanks being more heavily armoured at the front than the rear.
Hey LPL, in your opinion, what’s the better Euro lock. This one or the Avocet ABS mk3?.
@LockPickingLawyer Can you do it again please, but make sure it is the right way up, ie. the core should be top with the word ULTION reading the right way up. Maybe those "passive" pins plays a part? Gravity works wonders.
Wow! Just make the ultimate lock by manufacturing the cylinder and bible out of hardened steel and put all sucurity pins in there!! They are already close with all that anti drill protection!
how much force would it take to brute-force turn a cylinder? Regular one and with security steel pins?
If you were locking your motorcycle which lock would you want? Most bike thieves don't know how to pick locks but they do know how to operate bolt cutters or power cutters/grinders. Some will know how to pick. I need a good strong lock ASAP. Thanks.
Incredible what you do but why have you got the lock upside down? Not very real world is it!
If you get a chance to answer is this lock able to have the core pulled to gain entry.
Thanks.
Hey! No hands behind the lock! And where are the sirens and dogbarking?
I am curious- does this leave any marks on the lock?
Our lock (from a Gardesa door from 2010 with some Euro cilinder- im not there now to check which one it was) was perfectly picked. No marks and the couple of locksmiths who checked it say the security door wasnt locked. They claim a card was used but I've once tried the card technique myself when locked outside and I couldn't get even the thinnest paper in there (I had learned the technique from videos). Somehow I dont think I made such a grave mistake to leave it unlocked and have different recollections but Im starting to doubt myself.. All my family was abroad and I was alone before leaving to join them..
The apartment next to ours wasnt even touched- noone lives there although its full of furniture and stuff. However, the apartment below us where a family with children live, their door which is newer than ours (but allegedly not as secure according to my non expert brother) had marks on it. However the burglars didnt manage to get in. Im so confused as to how the burglars unlocked our door. I wonder whether this was accidental or actually done by experts who targeted us specifically and the attempt at the door below us was just a decoy (I was being harassed lately)
Would you recomment this cylinder or a Mt5 Plus from mul t lock for a safety update?
What is a passive pin? I haven't heard the term prior to this video
This isn't specific to this video but I'm looking for a pick set good quality and with a good variety of picks and tension wrenches at an affordable price it would be greatly appreciated
Do more like this it was very interesting 😁
Coming from the UK and being an English "bloke" 😄 I have to say I'm disappointed with the Ultion lock. As Michael Maynard has mentioned in his review it seems like the marketing of the lock got a whole load more attention than the technical side. The hard work seems to have been done but they left the lock half finished and vulnerable to picking. You would also have to question the method of testing for the lock to achieve the certification and security standard it has been awarded. A lock being "sold secure" and three star obviously isnt worth the paper its written on. Nice work LPL!
Hey daz ., glad i"m Welsh with all these comments :]
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Mr Maynard - in czcams.com/video/UcMdf5aR7JY/video.html - proposed the theory that the locks from mass production were unreliable or easily jammed with long pins or high pin stacks in place. Deficient pick protection is the result. However, after watching many videos from LPL, BB etc., I can't understand how any straight cylinder with openly accessible pins can ever be considered picking-resistant.
I don't think this lock being vulnerable to picking is that bad. Your average oik house burglar can *maybe* rake open a basic pin tumbler, but most of the time they go for brute force attacks, snapping, drilling, brick through a window (I love ultion's marketing BS that claims 85% of break ins are done with snapping) which this lock is beefed up to defend against. there are maybe half a dozen people with LPL's picking skill so this lock folding to him isn't much to write home about.
Get this lock and see how fast you can pick it, please report back the result.
What locks are good then?
Thank you for that LPL So the snapping is solved but the picking sort of easy still, however (I don't like saying this) 1 your a skilled picker, 2 the likelihood we would see a picker of your standing is unlikely.
I have my reservations as these are on PVC doors and in practice, a burglar would be put off just by the anti snapping. If they were that determined you would go for the windows for ease of access.
The video I saw of snapping is unreal in ease on the unprotected locks.
What kinds of things would have made this lock harder to pick? More security pins + variety? Spring weight variety? The passive pins actually doing something other than adding to the pin count?
I have this new lock it's 3 star ⭐ it's,£2000 now we dont hage lock picking in the uk like somone else said its lock snapping that they use itsna very good lock which like u said had a pint that locks the cam off so its very secure
I have a very similar lock, though from Yale (Platinum 3 Star Cylinder range) which uses a different key profile. Not sure how, if at all, it changes pick resistance. As the door sits directly under a CCTV camera I can’t see anyone spend time trying to pick it though and will likely head straight to more destructive techniques.
So what's a better lock that has physical attack protection as well as hard to pick? (within reason for a domestic install)
Can you re-visit this and pick it the correct way up?
Lock picking noob has video of it facing right way up its still very easy to pick.
so you can only pick it if your in Australia or standing on your head?
Fortunately, picking is seen as magic by many folks, and many criminals are too impatient to learn it.
What kind of pick did you use?
Why would you make passive pins if you put Springs behind them do they become active?
So if we re-keyed the lock with more security pins, would this be a formidable lock for our home?
There are not unbreakable locks anywhere. I manufacture high standard security doors and locks. If somebody want to enter, will enter.
What are these locks used for? They look so bizzare.
when he said "let me check if it's hardened steel" i expected him to bang it with a hammer and see if it'll stay in one peice.
Either that or look up it's criminal record