Zombie planes of War Thunder
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00:00 - Intro
01:33 - The Good
04:39 - The Bad
07:54 - The (brain)Dead
#warthunder #warthundergameplay #warthunderguide #warthunderwyvern #warthunderreview #warthunderplane #warthundergrind #wyvern #gaijin #gaijinwarthunder #warthunderzombie - Hry
It's fun to see how Dead By Daylight and War Thunder both share balance ideas on how to balance their game
Any context? I'm afraid I haven't played that game at all
@@Liniyka Oh my than you are lucky!
I'm glad you never played the game because that was the biggest mistake I've done.
Imagine a Community on par to league of Legends for toxicity and devs as good as balance as those of War Thunder who just looks at numbers.
The Balance is even far worse I'd say because atleast in War Thunder if someone is using a broken plane, you can use a broken plane of your own but Dead By Daylight is Asymetrical which means if someone has a broken tactic, you are straight up fucked, sure there used to be time where broken tactic vs broken tactic was a thing but the devs nerfed one side and left the other side alone.
Now the breaking point for me was just the community, and the fact the game is unbalanced to hell made it worse because if you aren't playing with the top tier perks, characters and items, you are just going to get bullied, you can't do anything about it, hell if you leave you get punished for that.
If they are actually worse at balancing than GAIJIN.... that is very impressive in its own right
@@LiniykaDead by daylight used to be 3 times as unbalanced as War Thunder. Think about that for a second.
@@quan-uo5wsit still is like 2x worse
The fact that the algorythm can be so easily abused just shows how absolutly LAZY the devs are fuck gaijin
They’re very good at making money, which to them is all that matters.
@@kirishima638can't blame them tho, if you're dev you wanna make money obviously
@@ironchiri5251 and the player base shoud hate on them for this. the problem is that there isnt any game like warthunder
One time me and my buddies had match where the lobby ended in 1.5 mins bc enemies had 9 wyverns in the team, we didnt even manage to climb into the middle of the map...
XDDDD
Oh gish, that's cancer incarnate
This had to be long time ago cause rn you can't have more than 4 attackers in the team (same goes for bombers).
4 Wyverns is enough to win the match by denying enemy team any climb opportunity still
The french TT is a perfect example of the whole algorythm balancing thing. Just look at all the autoloading tanks and their constant moves up of BR. and they even used to have insanely high repair costs.
but they're good. and they're still good
The only thing that lets me still play the game is the fact that all XP 50s share a single brain cell.
Once you know its weakness, the XP-50 becomes a footnote, you can always assume they’re going to make a mistake and fall for every trick in the book.
what's the weakness 😮@@skyflier8955
Something to help with bad zombie planes could be passive BR decrease. Every BR cycle or maybe once every two or three months, pick several of the least used vehicles at random and drop their br by one step. If one vehicle begins to wildly overperform, have its BR moved up by one step every week until it stabilizes.
This will give all underused planes time in the spotlight over time, and the devs free up some of the energy going to buffing underpowered vehicles.
This is obviously not a perfect solution, since this could cause long term BR dropping thanks to top tier compression but it’s a huge help
That would be pretty cool, yes. Unfortunately it's Gaijin we're talking about, so if nobody uses the vehicle = no data for the algorithm = no BR change
@@Liniykamy boy you're crying about people getting free stuff in a grindy cash grab game then have wyvern playing in the background 🤡
this is all fun and games till a jet ends up in br 2.0
@@dank-n-clips ? what part of that is free stuff?
I heard from a Gaijin mod the reason why is very simple...when it was 5.0 it killed sales of the Ju288 and the 288 is one of the biggest money makers in the game by a HUGE margin. He said they sell a dozen 288s for every wyvern and that number increases during events so no matter how bad the Wyvern stomps it will never go above 4.7 because it will hurt their cash cow.
Mmmm short term profits over long term innovation... where have I heard that before...
If I was in charge, I'd make it so all planes can be unlocked via TT or purchased with GE, and make it so premium bonuses can be unlocked separately with GE, similar to how talismans work. That way it would keep Gaijin's interests in line with the players, making all vehicles fun to play and having good balance.
@@Oookkaa Actually the blame for this lies 100% on the community, not only for the 288 but because they demanded the counter to the Wyvern be removed by wishing on the monkey's paw...the Thunderbolt airspawn.
You see once upon a time ALL Thunderbolts had an airspawn, from the lowly D25 all the way up to the P47-M but since the WT community is a bunch of big crybabies they went "Waah Hitlerbolt too OP nerf it waah" despite the fact that the Stalinbolt, USA Thunderbolt, the P38 and the XP50 were ALL hard counters to the Hitlerbolt. Hell I used to smack down Hitlerbolts all day in a fricking Boomerang.
But you NEVER say nerf in front of Gaijin as that activates the monkey's paw so the result was Gaijin going "Nerf Thunderbolt? Okay ALL Thunderbolts are nerfed!" which promptly obliterated the Americans as they needed the Thunderbolt airspawn while the Hitlerbolt could just sideclimb under the 109 swarms and be fine.
But before the monkey's paw the Thunderbolts hard countered fast bois like wyvern as well as space climbers like OP50 and Ta154 because a wound-up Thunderbolt in a dive could easily catch Wyvern and with its airspawn could climb well enough to meet space climbers at their own alt. But the community had to be whiney little wimps and now they get what they deserve for crying and bitching.
I hate how they use "statistics" without interpreting them right to justify any shitshow they want to do
It doesn't help that Gaijin also seems to completely forget about the existence of some aircraft they have in their tech trees. Key example of this being the most recent separation of battle ratings for certain planes in Ground RB compared to Air RB. The devs had to be reminded that the F104J exists, which had me laughing.
I should have mentioned it in the vid, but yes - if a plane doesn't get used, Gaijin never bothers to adjust its BR, which leads to even more zombie planes
A great example of how much they care about japan
My poor F-104J fighting radar guided and 30G IR missiles with no flares and no chaff with 6 absolute shit tier missiles
Feels like being on the wrong end of the final charge in Last Samurai
I charge as the emperor demands, and I try to take a few with me, but there is only so much I can do when my one and only advantage, speed, is nullified by the enemies I face
@@98765zach and then what the comunity do: they just say "skill issue", and proceeds to fly their op premiums
The J7W1 has 3 good things. 1: It's good at dives both shallow and not. Of course, the 4 30mm's are beneficial and the acceleration is fine however that said. It is still currently missing a certain portion of its historical speed, as well as 2 extra propellers. Since irl it had 6.
Somehow I doubt even 50 extra props would save it... but maybe you're right
The J7W1 was also designed specifically to be a bomber interceptor, so if you ask me, it should get an interceptor spawn. I think that would help to fix it somewhat, but then again, that's putting a band-aid on a 3rd degree burn.
@@conarteest2939 it's fun when stumping ju288 haha
@@conarteest2939considering how even the 152C-3 is somewhat usable because it has airspawn i am sure that the shinden would work quite well if it ever got one.
There are J7W1 reports from 2015 which havent been implemented. Minimum and maximum speed is wrong, flaps are not working correctly, elevator is not working as it should. Its missing 200hp
I love encountering wyverns in my P-63. They can't run away. All they can see is me ominously creeping towards them. They have two choices - either wait for me to catch up with them or turn and fight me. Being attackers, I get them when they're relatively low. They can dive away for only so long before they hit the ground. And because so many people are bad at wyvern, I always get to kill them. It's not easy but I don't really remember getting killed by wiverns.
Pretty much any 'murican plane, except maybe Corsairs, can catch up to Wyverns. Mustangs and Cobras are damn fast.
Gonna add Ki-94 and Ki-87 to the list. Kinda the same issue with J7W1: nice-looking planes with good guns and high-altitude performance and nothing really else to mention, sitting on BR for super pistons and early jets. Actually, Japan is a nation that consistently gets "zombiefied" by Gaijin, probably because of high average skill of jap mainers. Just look at BR changes for A6M5 and J6K1.
Also, need to mention Lansen. And A-32. And G.91 YS. And so on.
Oh man, I could have mentioned so many more planes, but again, don't wanna make a 5 hour vid
Lansens are just competent cause of the good players, nothing exceptional and it faces 104s every Match as a swedish Main i think the lansen is kinda bad but the j29F sitting in 9.0 just cause it has wep and 2 aim9bs makes no sense
I agree with the Ki-87, no sane player will play that thing. But to me the Ki-83 is kinda like the XP-50 of 6.0 with its insane climb rate and airspawn at least before the engine overheats.
@@tasterisk6339 Oh, I confused the planes. I meant that event plane which costs hundred of gaijin coins
@@Ren23114 J32 is my third most played plane if I correctly recall and I havr a 3:1 kdr on it. Higher than most othet things I fly. It's actually extremely good as it can stick dogfights with mig 19s if they don't play it right.
Overall the J32 is a more comfortable subsonic mig19 with more missiles and guns.
Another issue with the algorithm is that it only kicks in for vehicles that are actually played.
There are numerous vehicles in the minor tech trees that used to be competitive, but they got power creeped, so they’re now overtiered and unplayed. And because no one plays them, they stay at their old BRs, where they’re uncompetitive, so no one plays them and so on.
As you say, the algorithm rewards the bad players, by buffing their vehicles, while punishing anyone who dares to actually play a vehicle effectively.
The EBR 1954 is a good example of this. It was ludicrously under tiered on release as an event reward, but because you had to be competent to get it, only good players took it out, which ruined the game for months as teams of EBR players absolutely dominated. Then the algorithm kicked in due to the winrates, and it’s had numerous nerfs and BR increases to the point where it’s no longer competitive, and no one plays it (see above).
that thing can and will still run games if it gets on a flank
@@PhantomsPorever you can say that about most vehicles
To be fair the Wyvern WAS 5.0, but was moved to 4.0, now we have this.
And yet the XP-50 continues where it is...
I love getting ticket crunched in 10 minutes after wyverns bomb all bases and the airfield
They don’t balance the vehicles by performance, they balance it so that players don’t get more out of a vehicle then they should.
It’s just Gaijin wanting players to spent money on the game instead of earning enough SL and RP.
If players spent a lot of money on a vehicle, it magically becomes immune to the algorithm.
It’s basically just P2W 🙃
The “zombie plane” phrase is also very accurate because once it gets you, you might “turn into” one yourself by buying the premium.
Another incredibly sad tale is that of the Vampires, they used to sit confortably at 7.0, arguably some of the best. Now they're 8.0 and completely unusable.
a6m5 ko is up from 4.7 to 5.3 to face super prop and early jet. unplayable ;w;
Turnfighting planes going to crazy high BRs is its own topic at this point
@@Liniykacurrently grinding jap air rn, you should do that video!
The standard a6m5 used to be 4.0. Then it went to 4.3, then 4.7, and now it's 5.0. It's completely outclassed in all but 1 metric. However, it fights America a lot. The player base that is so bad they dropped the f4u-4b from 6.3 down to 5.7
Yeah, which is sad, before I had Moffet, it was my all-go money-maker plane, it's not a ridiculous OP plane, in fact, its a very delicate and slow plane that you need to plan ahead before going into a strike, also keep your awareness on all direction even while dogfighting, and even then you'll have cold sweat if you find an actual player with a brain cell that knows BnZ exist.
The problem was, that it used to fight the US team a lot of times,, and as Liniyka said, they had lots of bad players in it, back then, almost every us player went ground-pounding and then got mad as Zero easily swooped in for the kill.
Italy's mid to high tier got absolutely wrecked by the algorithm just because only good players play those aircrafts
honestly i dont blame them, the wyvern is super op, super low in br, can one rush like hell to a base, one shot it, and then be capable of 1v1 and getting more kills after that, its really good and cheap + plus its conveniently put in a rank where you can grind with it untill you get low tier jets
As a Battletech Player, whenever I hear a vehicle considered a "Zombie", I have an entirely different context in mind.
Awesome video, thanks for your perspective!
I’ve been playing WT for a few years, and just found out about your channel.
Great content 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
(I also hate gaijin)
[but i’m addicted to WT, it has drained my soul and wallet]
Thank you!
Bro those wyverns randomly under you at 1000 attacking bases
The P-47D-25 and -28 once went all the way down to 2.7 in arcade air.
The hordes of idiots using their Thunderbolts to dogfight zeroes and spits drove the BR down and down and down. Meanwhile, I was laughing while playing a plane that was literally 200 kph faster than any plane they could meet, outclimb them as well, and the 50 cals would tear planes at that BR to shreds, even before the introduction of the M20 flamethrowers.
The BR algo is indeed the most retarded thing Gaijin has ever made.
Those were good times
The patron list grows😮 nice job man
Q-5A chops 104 like its a flying bricks.
9:45 "Once upon a time" activates my google assistant
I remember the CL-13 video. I forgot if i saw it on reddit or CZcams but I couldn't find it again. Laughed my ass off seeing how they put it from 9.3 to 9.7 all by themselves
Loading stealth rounds is fantastic for this plane
dude the killing floor 1 soundtrack
YOU ARE A KING GG!
Thank you! After all, only kings play WT
YOU ARE A ___KING __GG__!!
Imagine if some dudes decided to take a loved plane, go tryhard mode and increase its BR just to troll people
"Because some people watch you tube videos and don't pay attention at the start of a game"
Guess what I'm doing right now.
Those days when the useless Arado was level 24 out of 20 possible (according to the CEO of the snails), because we got bored and started shooting down planes with a plane without forward-facing weapons.
The second part of the balancer problem: if the level of the plane is slightly too high, then bad players simply skip it, and good players continue to fly and show good statistics. This leads to an increase in the level and bad players skip the plane even more, and its level flies into the skies. And the snail game designers are starting to say that this plane is simply excellent (if only they could launch their own game beyond the hangar at least once)
The fact that the hunter and other jets at that BR have to fight jets with missiles and inasanity, makes them feel impossible to use
another feature that war thunder needs is to disable the 'want to get ranked with post war enemies', especially in tank battles
I used to love playing both World of Tanks and War Thunder back in the day. Both games let long-standing problems spiral out of control for the sake of profit while introducing new ones along the way
bro the seafire is a beast
i salute the crayon eating american players for sacrificing their silver lions because they single handedly downtiered aircraft (why did the f-4u4 go down)
@Warthunder pls hire this guy
The bad zombie planes: almost all minor nations' fighters
Every day, an a6m zero goes up in br
You forget Sagittario at 9.3, with only one type of ammo and 80% uptire rate.
Well if any it have free ammo 😂
mig15 ish wasnt moved down because theyre incompetent, it was moved down because people can pay money for it.
What people need to realise, is that if you are going to get taken down and lose a spare plane. Chances are you're going to do everything you can to crash into them head on.... SPITE
Ooh, someone new to follow.
I played the wyvern for a long time at 5.0 in 2016 and I still don't understand how it was lowered so hard. I used it as a strict ground pounder and bomber to bleed tickets and do daily/special tasks in one battle, which meant I only needed to play 2 or 3 games a day to get enough warbonds in 20 days for a 'free' rank III premium with the OG warbond system. That was only 40min or less a day for an easy grind. At 5.0 hahaha.
gg 5 times indeed xddd great video, i truly cry inside when i see someone using the wyverm as a bomber/attacker when that thing is truly a bomb n zoom plane
9:10
💀💀💀
You probably alerted the horde, you should run.
When this came out it was such a nightmare I resorted to shark tactics in my bf109.At the start of the match i would not climb at all, just race to the ground units. I would fly at tree top level to ambush them. taking advantage of my TWR with us both at sea level, I could fight them vertically and sometimes it would work, but mostly not. its a good plane
Many years ago when i bought the Wyvern, it was 5.0. now it's 4.0, it's my best investment
based choice of music
gaijin when its time to nerf premium stuff
Correction, XP-50 has been nerfed drastically. They took away their WEP which essentially halved the climb rate. Considering the ammo other American planes have on display, the XP-50 is short breathed. They also introduced that nerf at a time where maps with airspawns for all planes like Norway were common. So the nerf was uncalled for as the airspawn did not give them an advantage anyways.
In my opinion, they should have raised the BR and not take away features the plane was known and promoted for. The power to weight ratio was THE biggest selling point and the reason this prototype was made in the first place. Taking away the power just turns it into a nice-to-look-at plane without significant identifiers other than it's shape.
Same issue with the XA-38 Grizzly. It was promoted as having immense power having two B-29 engines on a striker airframe, but they nerfed the power turning it into the same unflyable brick as the Hs-129 Ente compared.
If introducing such castrations instead of refining the overall balancing and game mechanic, they should not introduce those planes in the first place!
But that's Gaijin to you. Add premiums, nerf the biggest selling points and promote the next premium with similar selling points.
When was the last time you played WT? That nerf was like 10 years ago, these days XP-50 is the most broken plane at its BR
@@Liniyka Geez... It has been 6 years. I still play WT but I haven't been at that BR in a while. The XP-50 became boring/ordinary as they took away it's signature climb rate. I can understand how it is performing well again as most other things have been uptiered around it.
But I still miss this helicopter being a helicopter.
In my opinion, nerfing something at it's signature is inherently dumb. It's like taking away the afterburner from the first jet with afterburner or taking away the AP belts from the Pulkzerstörer. When doing so, it does not justify selling that premium in the first place and any other nerfs should be considered first, even if it's a cheap one as raising it's BR.
9:47 waiting on ugarit to explain himself in the discord currently joe will not be pleased
Yes yes you are all welcome, me and my Ayit are here for you 🤙
The f.222.2 was at 1.3 for the longest time,until a group of friends and I desided to speedrun wins at 1.3 air rb to the point that the matchmaker refused to let us join matches as a squad of 4, we got some attention by doing this and some people made videos about the plane, a year later it was finally uptiered to 2.3
I single handedly raised yak 1b BR
The Wyvern sells so they won't move it.
Never had any issues fighting Su-11, with F2h and Meteor (Sea and mk4)
Just here to remember that there is a 8.0 Me-262
The P-38K...
bro, I like the seafire on the french tech tree :C i use it as CAS destroyer on ground RB
As a Japanese main, i feel the effects of this so hard, i mean i still get ace games in my f-104j from time to gime, but that plane should never face mig 29s and f-16s, and hey, they did in fact rase the top br so that no longer happened, but it should have never happened in the first place
You forgot to mention the best of them all - Do 335 B-2
Ngl, before this vid was out I decided to play the wyvern and I was shocked at how busted it was. Been using it to grind the battle pass.
Hunter F1 FM was nerfed into the deck sometime around 2018. No longer can pull any AOA or roll at all over 800Kph.
Gaijin must see this
Zombie bombers space climbed invisible plaanes 🎶
This is why I ditched ARB and moved fully to SAB. Balancing issues have lesser impact when skill required is at the moon.
Same as the sv 12.80.42 or whatever in ground rb
oh bro you mean the sav2012 yeah that's a super op arty with full auto cause it has a 1 second reload lol
i remember the P47D28(the one with actual rudder control past 500kph) had a br of 3.7/4.0 , managed to get a k/d of 28/0 across like 8 games one day. last time i played it was back to 5.0 tho, which i think is about right.
Forgot about the Ju288 at 6.0, the light-bomber with an absurd top-speed that's basically impossible to catch, and extremely potent turrets.
Also, controversial take; after buying and using the Wyvern for a while, I don't think it's THAT good of a plane. It's decent if you keep a higher altitude, the guns are definitely the best part about it, but it turns like a brick and it seems like most fighters can easily catch up to it if they're in a shallow dive. It should probably be at like 4.7, MAYBE 5.0 but that's kinda pushing it... it also shouldn't be a rank 4 or 5 vehicle, idk why it's such a high rank but it makes grinding the early jets a breeze.
Us Italy players know all too well about the algorithm screwing us over and being stupid. The Sagittario 2 is the same br as the Ariete, which is a direct upgrade over the Sagittario 2.
Wyvern players forgetting PVP exists and refusing to fight despite having energy advantage and tons of 20mm
Jet of the britain tree have a way to high br
Just wanted to say I never played the R2Y2 during the golden days only picking it up some time last year. The R2Y2 is still a very capable jet I believe the primary reason people don't play it is lack of interest. And the J7W1 is also viable although your positioning matters a lot more than most planes. I didn't play the J7W1 any longer than I had to, but by the time I moved on I had 17 deaths and 55 kills and 111 ground targets killed
It's interesting that they've decided to balance the game by ranking only the planes, instead of the planes AND the players. A plane's performance rating that isn't weighted by the player flying it is not normalized data.
I feel like they could definitely improve the way they handle this algorithmically.
One way would be to look at the performance of players playing multiple planes at a similar br / role in the last x amount of time.
Only falling back to other statistics if that doesn't have enough data.
I think It was halo 3's dev team that put forward the 'Develop a profile of the median player, and design/balance a game for them' ethos; and It's one I believe Warthunder would be wise to adopt for itself.
For br that would mean trying to balance aircraft in a way for them to be fun and balanced for a Average skill player, whist also being relatively balanced overall
(for example an aircraft that is very hard to fly can probably get away with having a lower br then a aircraft that's very easy to fly even if the harder aircraft is slightly better when used properly)
Warthunders also a little special since it wishes to be historic, having some aircraft (like the A10) be essentially unbalancable, it's better for aircraft like that be underwhelming then overly strong
The game is already being balanced around the average player. The problem is, your average player is terrible, so the entire system falls apart
@@Liniyka no the games being balanced around the average payer PER JET which is a flawed system, what id want is balance around the average players skill level overall.
The biggest problem is that the balancing tools Gaijin chose to
Implement when this was strictly a WW2 prop game - BR, repair cost and rank - are now wholly inadequate.
How can you reduce a vehicles rating to a single two digit value with increments of .3 and .7? Due to BR compression, a .3 change to a strong vehicle can have a domino effect, changing the opponent’s it faces in a down tier for example, which then impacts their win rates, causing them to be buffed and so on.
No serious game works like this. Characters in RPGs have whole ranges of stats for example.
The whole thing is hopelessly broken, and gets worse every time they add new vehicles.
The J7W1 is my favorite plane and it really hurts me to see it's state in the game. I firmly believe it doesn't need a downtier but instead a TLC as a lot of it's poor performance has to do with realism issues.
Besides being misclassified as a fighter instead of an interceptor that'd give it a much needed air spawn, the shinden also has broken flaps (they lower positive pitch and increase negative pitch speed) and elevators that are modeled incorrectly (they should be fowler flap style during positive pitch and should thus provide a lot more lift. It retains speed too poorly even in a straight line, though i don't know if it is an aerodynamic or engine power issue. In real life it also had cannons that could be fired in pairs to save ammo (i believe we should be allowed to fire them separately like with heavy and light weapons on other planes).
I think it's BR is okay as is, Japan really could make use with the shinden as a superprop since it currently only has the ki-84s and nothing else, so i am just hoping this beautiful plane finally gets some of these fixes after all these years of negligence.
lol I play it it’s slow yes but in my opinion it’s a good break from ground it’s a little more fast paced with costal ships before 2.3+ that’s when more heavy coastal starts going with destroyers
I miss the old j7 it was so fun pre nerf
I play two daily War Bonds tasks every day (and upload the videos). The Wyvern has been my number one attacker for well over 5 years. Over the years, I have seen Wyvern spam come and go several times. But it's something of a one trick pony. Actually two tricks. It's fast as heck and smacks very hard. But it is slow to accelerate, a modest climber, and turns like a bomber. It's _very_ situational.
For bad planes you can kind of just point at any minor nation TT(looking at you rank 5 sweden) and most of the planes will be mid or bad.
6:16 they didnt move it from 7.0 to rightaway 8.0 they moved it to 8.0 when it as 7.7 and like a year or two later the br nerf, they nerfed the the 30mm cannons
You forgot the J6K1
also let's talk about the yak 15 line, yak 15p, 6.3, it cant catch anything (even he 162, which their speed's been buffed not too long ago)can turn but that's really it, every super props you encounter (f8f 1b, spitfire mk24, ta 152, bf109, f4u) will just have a better energy retention, maximum speed and turn time, and it got only 60 ammos with a canon that lacks velocity, then we have the yak15, what changed? nothing except for the 2 canons and 120 ammos, actually making it a bit slower, then finally we have the yak17, the pinacle of why gaijin cant operate normally, ok it got the front gear landing, but it's in 6.7 and it got a historically innacurate component, his ammos and engine, you see, the engine it has in the game is the same as the yak 15 (RD 10) , when it should be a RD 10A engine, that has 90 more kgf to the plane, it also got less ammos than normal, only 120, let's also talk about the su 9, it is a fridge, you barely turn, ok it is a good boom and zoomer, but got the same problem as the yak 15's, it lack engine power for it's br, meaning that even in a die at max speed, you'll most likely not catch the enemy plane in time before it returns to it's airfield
Fax 📠
We should spam all Gaijin email accounts with a link to this video until they change their balancing methods.
3:45 Issue: the F-104A can't be called a zombie plane, at least not a good one. Whenever you play in an uptier you're literally dead because of the missiles and you not being agile nor having flares. Also it's less effective due to the fact that the vulcan is useless in the means of damage and aiming
When uptiered you are boned, when downtiered they are boned
i talked about how bad planes are so pushed up in BR in the forum, but the forum just thinks i'm just bad in them. I have the highest stats on these objectively bad planes because they're the ones i played since as early as last year after 6 years being a stubborn noob.
Any particular examples?
@@Liniyka n1k2j and ja, sea fury and f-5e. For the N1K2J; it's slow and compresses horribly past 500ias while turning very bad at most speeds plus hindered by the historical flap retraction mechanism. The Sea fury is basically a J7W1 with the engine on the front and unusable flaps (they don't help you turn, they break at low speeds and they don't help you brake either) , the F-5E while great dogfighter has horrible one circle performance, and since it's a very slow aircraft most people with a brain end up just not taking the two circle bait or going one circle, dodge all day and run away. F-5E got also ruined by the auto flap retraction; if it still was able to deploy flaps above 400kmh it would be good at one circle considering how ridiculously good the takeoff flaps were. I loved it before this BS flap thing and pushed it to 4.0 kill death ratio even since it was 11.0. Now I can't get anything else done.
How could you possible miss the He-100, the most horrendously overpowered plane in the game by far. Let's not even talk about the P-39
He-100 is a wild card plane
If a newbie tries to turn in it, it becomes easy prey (I'm not even a good player and was able to 1v2 a squad of them that tried to dogfight me after a head on merge and won, with me using the two-gunned I-16)
But a *good* player will turn it into death, destroyer of worlds, I remember when I was a beginner in arcade and a guy in a He-100 screwed my *entire team* by going from head on to head on at full speed
And yeah, I hate P-39s with a passion, it's just hellish trying to face them with planes like low tier italian or japanese fighters
Soooo... War Thunder balance algorithm is the New York Times bestsellers list but actually working like a real bestseller list?
I'm so naive, I thought they actually had real people comparing the data with the algorithmic results
I play Naval all the time. Only way to make real money in the game. Started naval at around 100,000sl, and in 3-4 months I have all but 2 bluewater ships spaded and half the coastal ships spaded for one country.With nearly 11,000,000sl. Naval is good and almost no-one plays it. Maybe a video about may bring so attention to it at least.
The Wyvern was moved up in the past. It used to be 4.0.
You are correct, yes. But it didn't solve the problem in any capacity. It needs to go back to its original 5.0 BR where it belongs
wasn’t it even 3.7 back then
No it was 5.0 when it was released and in its first years, then it became 4.7, 4.0 and now 4.3. it should really be 5.0.@@spasti7026
i got the wyvern recently and holy shit its ridiculously op, its literally better than the br6 tempest2 in practice because of treehug thunder at omegalul 4.3 and even at 5.3 in sim its still the best option
at least the game became fun again for awhile
lol i got the xp50 like forever ago and its still op? guess i will try that one again too
is war thunder ready for ranked match tho