The Fakes of War Thunder | Fake Tank Friday
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Its easy to rag on World of Tanks with the number of fake vehicles which have been added recently. However, they aren't alone in adding fantasy vehicles to their game. So, in an effort to keep things fair, today we will look at some of the less than real tanks from the game War Thunder.
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What's your opinion on this topic? Did I miss any tanks you might consider fake or fantastical?
This comment is edited because I was wrong, if you wanna kno then ask GetDunced
The Char B1 Ter could probably have gone on the list, given that, while certainly real, and pre-production models were completed(modified from B1 hulls), the actual production model, which had a fair few differences from the pre-production model, never saw total completion, only partial.
Can you do brawl (from transformers) next?
To clarify about the Ho-Ri, the mess came out of a miscommunication between Gaijin and their Japanese researchers with Mai being one in particular. The specifications for the Ho-Ri were initially 75 mm on the front in total which is where they got the numbers for the Ho-Ri Prototype. That is the one directly based off of the mockup with the only difference being the driver's hatch that Gaijin added onto it. The Ho-Ri Production mixed up a engine proposal, the specifications of the Ho-Ri II, and the planned performance of the gun in what you can truly call a fake tank. The 1,100 hp engine was proposed and drafted but never completed or actually considered to be put into it, the Ho-Ri II specifications is where the 125 mm UFP come from, and the gun uses the planned performance of the experimental 10 cm tank gun (long) which was to penetrate 200 mm at 1,000 m/s. In reality, it only reached a velocity of 900 m/s in firing tests. The only part I don't get where they got the information from is the thickness of the casemates. In the case of both the Ho-Ri I and II, the casemates would've just been 75 mm thick so the Prototype's being 120 - 150 mm and the Production's being 200 - 225 mm is weird.
Gaijin was told that information and by the time their researchers corrected them, it seems like the modeling had already been completed and with few Japanese tanks in that BR (on introduction) they just added it anyway. Iirc this also predated the statement they made about not adding in any more mockup or planned vehicles, which is how the J6K1 got pass because it was added just before that.
Now the Ho-Ri Prototype does have some model differences, but it matches everything that was planned for it. The Ho-Ri Production is just a outright fake and the only reason it hasn't been removed is because Gaijin hasn't found anything that could replace it yet. The only possible candidates atm is the 105 mm GSR (TD based off of the B78 IFV) if more information is found on the gun or the Type 99 HSP.
Edit: Also since this is commonly brought up; before anyone gets confused, the Ho-Ri I and the slanted mockup aren't the same. The Ho-Ri I refers specifically to the flat-front design with the fighting compartment in the rear. While the Ho-Ri mockup does situate the fighting compartment in the rear, that isn't the distinction that makes the I the I. It's the combination of both, and the Ho-Ri mockup, from what researchers can tell, predated the I and II designs, as it was just a demonstration of what the tank destroyer could look like before they became more realistic (Japan couldn't produce the large slanted UFP) with the Ho-Ri I design and then made a full blueprint for the Ho-Ri II design which is most likely the one that was being produced by the end of the war.
In the future I wouldn't mind you covering the M4-85 as seen in World of Tanks. It's implemented with a T-34 mod 1942 turret with the addition of a T-34-85 cupola... which actually makes the turret a mod 1943 but they call it the mod 1942 ingame...
Now the M4-85 was an actually proposed design from the same guy who proposed the dual-gunned IS-2, but the proposal was to use the T34-85's turret on the 75mm Shermans they had. Soon after he had this idea though, the Russian began to recieve 76mm Shermans and the idea was dropped.
www.reddit.com/r/CursedTanks/comments/ruo21p/m4_3485/
I ripped the models of the M4A2 and T-34-85 from WoT and mated the Sherman body and T-34-85 turret in blender to see what it would look like. I double checked the turret ring diameters and the -85's turret had a smaller ring then the Sherman so I image some form of modification could make the two mate. Note: the M4A2 Sherman I ripped incidentally had torsion bar suspension... so the model I made is erred in that regard. I wasn't paying attention and wound up using the cancelled M4A2E4 hull instead of a production models.
tfw you remove a tank for being "fake" and add another "fake" tank into the game to replace it.
Well for one you have proofs that it never completed, for other you have paper that says it was completed, but without photo) Who knows, maybe they remove ostwind 2 in future too)
Except as a premium.
A tank thats even more fake
@@alexanderpopov473 nope
The removed was a mockup
The added
Never got that far
Gaijn: That original porblem was solved no?
*some kid in 1943 drawing a picture of a tank with crayons*
*WT and WoT 70 years later* :
This new vehicle is based on historical documentation.
There is literally a tank in WoT made from the proposal from a Russian soldier, called the LTP; Light Tank Proposal. The soldier didn't give it a name. But despite it being drawn up from a common soldier, the drawings and design of the tank was quite good.
@@Thestuffnope they do label it as a proposal without prototypes, so at least its better than some of their... "real" tanks
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@@jonathangreenlees4772 sekrit dokuments
@@Thestuffnope In Soviet Russia you don’t give soldier tank, soldier give you a tank
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@@void1n The true reason the KT 10.5cm was hidden.
A proper 105 mm breach wouldn't even fit in a King tiger turret
The history channel has a special on the aliens that granted them such boons
I love it when people point out the inaccuracies of WT, as it help the players be less elitist. I still see WT as a more "realistic" game, and that's why I play it, but I don't consider it a perfectly accurate game.
Same, I like the more realistic aspects of WT… but I’d be embarrassing myself if I tried to say the game is a full on accurate simulator… it’s really not…
Wish they’d stop adding copy and paste nation tech trees though and show some more love for the existing ones… I’d love some more additions to the game like the Alvis Saladin or more from the CVR(T) line of vehicles for the Brits… plenty of other things they could add too, both WWII and postwar… but I mean I haven’t even been back playing it for long after finishing a long break from the game and it would appear they’d much rather milk the battle pass now…
I play it if i can have fun.. thats why i stopped playing all 3 WT, WOT, and WoWs )))
@@zarlev9083 I can understand that… I only play WT because they’re ain’t really anything quite like it and I like my tanks… it’s less fun these days but it’s more I’m desperate now 😂
@@barghest9810 the game becomes fun when you don't take it seriously and just play at the tiers/br you have fun playing. Once you play it to grind it becomes a chore, tedious, and not fun
WoT and WT, both have realistic things, both have unrealistic things, want an example? An HEATFS bouncing on a Winbelwind turret.
WT and woT need to label things as "production, prototype, paper, or theoretical" based on how historical they are.
@jeff pentagon that'll be the hybrid section I presume...
WoT kinda does that already with the vehicle's description. Warships as well.
No they don't need to do anything. people need to stop pretending to be experts on things they are not.
why? its not a tank simulator, its just a arcade game
war thunder stopped caring about being historically accurate years ago. it happened when the tiger IIs started being forced to fight ATGM missiles and heat FS and cold war shit etc etc
Timestamps:
0:57 - Panther II
2:07 - Tiger II (105)
3:50 - Ostwind II
5:16 - E-100
6:16 - Tiger II (Sla.16)
7:19 - Ho-Ri
8:00 - Sidam 25 Mistral
8:30 - Doom Turtle
Hope this helps
@ConeOfArc pin this
Doing God's work homie
Panther2 had initially turret like Panther 1 with 75mmL70 gun. Panther 1F and later1 G got Schmalturm 1, 75mm L70 again. Also Schmalturm 2 for 88mmL71 created by Daimler Benz for PantherF. It in theory wasn't impossible to mounted on Panther2 chassis. Panther2 can found production factory, just one instead of Jagdtiger H, because roadwheels and suspension were at the same . Panther2 was 18 tons lighter and clearly more reliable than Jagdtiger H.
E100 was redesigned for only 128mmL55 gun. Not 150mmL37. Maus planned with tube 150mm , and Tiger-Maus. Tiger-Maus cancelled and E100 approved with low priority , and 128mmL55 main weapon + 75mmL24 seccond weapon( or 75mmL3 Maus1 seccond weapon ).
Tiger2 105mmL68 was usually replaced by E75 105mmL68( 105mmL52 ) but E75 wasn't completed before war ended. In theory bigger tank than King Tiger, E75 Tiger3 can hold turret with 105mm guns L52 and L68.
@jeff pentagon yeah but watching the video would explain why it's there mate
tutel
It's also worth to mentioned about Shimakaze too tho. Yes, the ship is not fake and very real but what I'm talking about is when she was first announced with 2nd turret replacing with 25mm guns. Although she was fixed after people complain, I still confused how gaijin messed that up.
It's funny you mention this and how everyone lost the plot due to it in game having the aft superfiring turret missing. Yet there are many vessels that are a hodgepodge of refits & or are missing armaments or are completely fake vessels ntm never finished too, One example is the Ocean Defence Ship Shounan which is missing a cannon on the aft turret yet crickets...
But that's how it's where everyone only goes loony when it's something more known an not obscure.
There are several lists of hodgepodge vessels or are missing weapons or fakes iirc an there's a Cruiser & a Destroyer that were never finished only being 40-60% built.
Because it never exist
well it is called “fake tank friday” so i don’t think he’ll talk about ships and planes.
money
The only fake Shimakaze i know is the cross dress trap Shimakaze
I see cone has returned to War Thunder lol
You never leave War Thunder you just take long breaks, the snail has consumed your soul
Returned for the bare minimum amount of time to get the footage I needed. Wasn't drawn back in by it though tbh
@@ConeOfArc for now
@@ConeOfArc well I certainly wasn't expecting you to reply
But now that you're here: Great video bro, keep it up! :)
@@ConeOfArc this comment aged poorly
I’d take a paper tank over a copy paste American/Soviet tank any day
Someone's mad that they got killed by a copy and pasted tank
@@thegeneralfrogarmy9721 well yeah, War thunder is basically just Sherman tank simulator at this point. It's quite annoying
@@homiespaghetti1522 paper armor simulator u mean
@@thegeneralfrogarmy9721 true
@@thegeneralfrogarmy9721 The panzer 4's had thinner armor than all of the shermans, especially when compared to the flat rolled armors with no weak spots on the front above the tracks.
funniest thing of the Ostwind 2 being fake is that they replaced the Coellian with it cuz the Coellian "wasn't real enough" like fucking bruh
Balance )))
I wish I had the coelian😭😭😭
And the worst part is that they will give Germany this completely fictional tank but still haven't given America the skink
U know no one can be greater than ussr
And now the Coelian is meta for 6.3 Squadron Battles.
Find me another 6.3 or lower AA that is effective and closed top to survive strafing from planes. There's none.
T95/T28 situation is easy. They need different designation in tree and technical malfunctions was never modelled in wt. Imagine kv2 that cannot shoot on slopes
Bold of you to assume any tank can climb a slope in this game.
@@copter2000 The hellcat can, its top speed was 55 mph
@@MrGamer-rs4ov or allows it to have special modifications for our tanks to add diversity or that be too hard for them
@@copter2000 some japnese mbt the hellcat and us wheelie tank
The T95 and T28 were the same tank, it just went through different name changes and it did function.. But it was never "made" to run with the outer two treads off that was just for transport on trains since it was so wide.
It just never made it out of testing since the war ended and we didn't need it for assaulting heavily fortified positions (It was never intended for use against tanks)
Gaijin: Coelian was only a mockup, so it must be removed.
Also Gaijin: Here's a completely fake twin Ostwind I sketched up right now to replace the Coelian, which we removed because it was never produced!
Lol screw gaijin
Wargaming: Someone's stealing some ideas from my high tech ideas
Gaijin (Daebom): *Using old school camera* Eheheeehhehheheh Wargaming-chan
The basic breakdown of the T28/95 is this:
It started as “T28 super heavy tank” but somewhere along the line someone said “we can’t call it a ‘tank’ because it doesn’t have a turret” (I’m not going to get into the debate of turret/no turret = tank/not tank)
So the name was changed to “T95 GMC” and design/production continued; but then someone decided “we can’t call it GMC because it doesn’t fit with our doctrine of GMCs”
So they changed it back to “T28 super heavy tank” and that’s it’s official designation to this day.
It couldn't be a GMC because it was too heavy, the US designations were simply too strict.
I really wish there were more access to the fringe fantastical vehicles. It's annoying that I might not get a few of them just due to the fact that they're not researchable or sold for GE. They're all quite unique and have fun gimmicks that at least move away from the same tedious game play.
There is already vehicles that diverge from the "Same tedious gameplay" in the game while still being realistic.
I do not want to see "Fringe fantastical vehicles" in War Thunder, if you want that go play WOT.
I played world of tanks for years before I switched to War Thunder, i switched because it wasn't realistic enough, i say the majority of players stay for the realism aswell, disposing of realism to create wild tanks like WOT will kill the playerbase, and Gaijin knows it.
I certainly would stop playing is they go that route.
Yeah. Personally i really want to try the matilda hedgehog but i cant be bothered buying it
@@takablepigon9686 I think this would hold up if War Thunder was realistic in the first place. Post Scriptum is a lot more realistic. Then Steel Beasts is a lot more realistic than both. War Thunder gives you the impression it's realistic, nothing else.
I agree, more fantastical or paper vehicles would be interesting. I want to use the O-I or Mansyu KI-89
@@TheBaralinChannel war thunder is more realistic than world of tanks without being boring or extremely tedious in its game mechanics like in an true to life simulator.
It is the perfect balance.
And yes, I know what you are about to say "War thunder is tedious" the grind is tedious, but the game mechanics are clean and enjoyable even if a little unrealistic.
The balance that war thunder has would be destroyed either by making the game more realistic at cost of playability, or making it more arcady at the cost of realism. In both cases I would stop playing.
would be really cool if they put labels in the statcard for different levels of how confident gaijin is in the vehicle being accurate/historical. for example:
1: stats are certified from real vehicles > stats are taken from technical plan > stats are guesstimates or propaganda
2: vehice saw combat > vehicle went into production > prototype only > plans or mockups only
3: armament is exactly what the vehicle used > armament is what the nation reasonably had access to > fictional armament due to ingame reasons
That...would solve a good amount of problems.
No one cares typed that up for no reason all ppl wanna do it play the game
@@gorrillaeggs4101 Many historian nerds like us do care about these accuracies
There’s now 3 separate times where the warthunder community leaked classified design specs on modern tanks to prove gaijin wrong.
@@Kalashnikov413 nope
Personally if at the Japanese have granted these two vehicles made of wood, I presume on a small scale, I wonder why Gaijin insists on not accepting the P43 series and the Italian Panther in the Italy tech tree. Rightly all or none.
There’s a lot more documentation to say that Ho-Ri Prototypes were produced however unlike the versions in game which mirror the Ferdinand in design they were only the first drafts and drawings. The likely real vehicle would look much closer to a Jagdtiger in setup although unlike the ones in game it would have almost no significant armor like the Chi-Ri II
@@legozeke246 So.. Basically WoT blitz got to put all the design in?
We have the Ho-Ri type 1 (the jagdtiger look alike)
Ho-Ri type 2 (the one in the video)
And the Ho-Ri type 3 (chi ri hull)
Yes and No, WoT blitz basically screws up the number.
Their Ho-Ri Type 3 is the 1 only how it has a cannon I don’t think was ever considered.
Their Ho-Ri type 1 is the 2
Their Ho-Ri Type 2 is the 3
Basically Japan realized the vehicle had next to no armor so they planned on making the Ho-Ri III actually have sloped armor. I know it sounds kinda confusing the way I initially put the statement.
But as far as what is said to have been made only the Ho-Ri Type 2 and Type 5 Ka-to were the only tanks to ever carry the long Japanese 105mm
Nope sorry, you're getting more Shermans.
@@reinbeers5322 True, and it would be time they added the M4A3E8 (76) W to the Italian tech tree. It would be yet another Sherman, but at least it would have something more than the almost identicals IC and VC, that is, more armor and engine power.
war thunder isn't the only game with the "fake" panther II
though world of tanks does have a more realistic version, the regular panther can be mounted with the schmalturm turret
there also exists a premium tank labelled "Panther 8.8", which is essentially war thunder's panther II
World of tanks carp game
@@damienamory5857 they have fish yes
@@damienamory5857 im more of a trout gamer myself
I'm more forgiving of WoT having the fake or """"""experimental""""" vehicles, since they're much less realistic and arcade-y. Whereas WT tries to treat themselves as much more serious and historical.
Heck for *years* they made fun of the ahistoric tanks in WoT
@@damienamory5857
Virgin World of Tanks carp game
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Chad Yes, WoT is also a WW2 game but i prefer to play WT without disrespecting WoT
I just want the Panther 2 and Tiger 10.5 in WT. I'm a collector and it hurts to know I missed them just briefly
I feel this same way about BF-109Z.
Same here
Tiger 10.5 or Panther 2 were not even broken
I like the Panther 2, I have the Maus,10,5 Tiger, and the coelian unlocked. Just need to research.
@@LordOfChaos.x The panther 2 is broken as hell. That thing outclasses anything in its Tier, everytime i get one in my lobby its usually top of the scoreboard with 8+ kills.
@@awacsrazgriz967 its ussually top because only old players have them mostly
So the skill difference with the rest of the team is big
The E100 I think was War Thunder having to compromise by using a turret that actually existed to finish a historical tank that was unfinished.
If anything the E100 in both games has a fair degree of historical accuracy its just that they differ in how their historical accuracy is represented.
The weight of the Maus turret would have made it unusable for the E-100 so it's not historical at all to use it. They should have given it the more accurate turret instead since the addition to the game is already fantasy.
Plus having the E-100 with the more accurate turret would make it less of a maus clone that it is in game
@@ConeOfArc Or would it.
Was the original E-100 turret lighter, even with its 150mm gun? I am not that sure.
The only way to make it lighter is less armor, and smaller, which would mean smaller guns.
So, in my opinion, even if gaijin were to add its original turret... It would not make much of a difference.
I would even rather have the kitbashed E-100 we have ingame, at least made with existing components.
@@swisstraeng the E-100 compared to the maus had reduced armor thickness on all sides of the hull, presumably this would also mean armor would be reduced on the turret.
@@swisstraeng the original turret was too heavy when the E-100 (Tiger-Maus at the time) was being proposed. The design was changed significantly from a more Maus-like vehicle to what we know today and with it the turret needed a redesign. Like I say in the video no turret was ever selected in the end and the hull was designed separately as with most tank projects
I want them to add some of the on paper only/wooden model us tanks
M22 with a roof mounted .50
T25 with stabilizer ( because one version did have it and they shouldn't have removed it)
And some flamethrowers could be fun like the zippo. They could be used to remove bushes from an area, burn through tanks extinguishers, instakill open tops and trucks. They could even add a burning effect to buildings so you can set a city on fire and fill the skies with smoke making it harder for cas and snipers to do anything.
As if. America never gets to have anything halfway useful. All of our tanks that aren't completely outmatched are either moved up in br until they are useless or are given such a high repair cost or in the case of the super Pershing both. Oh and be moved down a tier because America can't have a useful grinding tank like the m24 because fuck us right.
People would nonstop complain about getting shot in the flamethrower tank and immediately exploding.
Rip fps on city maps
@@SueDoeNimh In a wirbelwind you blow up instantly if you get shot in the ammo, so that's not a problem.
@@Zorro9129 the problem is that the Wirbelwind was more useful than flame tanks
What bugged me most of how the Ostwind II was depicted in the game was the way the second 37mm gun was plopped next to the other. The 37mm Flak43 gun was fitted to a large bearing into the mount, do that the loading trays were being fed through the bearing. Gaijin just plopped the second gun on the far side of the first, basically doubling the load on the bearing in a asymetrical way. I can't imagine that would hold for long. Also, with the feeding of the second gun being mirrored, there is no space for the empty clips to go, and I highly suspect the empty casings would get jammed between the guns, causing malfunctions, aswell.
The thing with Japanese and Italian trees is that if we didn't get those in the trees they would be empty.
I'm fine with tanks that only existed on paper if they actually existed on paper and are added to fill gaps in tech trees.
You forget about M6A2E1
Even Gaijin stated they made up add on armor from the concept drawing to buff it.
The armor was planned but never fitted if I remember right. So although that tank is semi fake ingame it's not far from the original plan for the vehicle
@@ConeOfArc isnt it the same case as Tiger 105? Altough Tiger 105 is more possible since the M6A2E1 doesnt tell the add on armor beside concept art?
@@rifqifm6434 no, the Tiger 105 was never even considered past the proposal which itself wasn't actually requested.
Took it straight from Wargaming, Gaijin saw WoT and decided War Thunder a YEAR later
Honorable mention: The pz4 add on armor puts the track "armor" over the optics on the turret so in reality the gunner wouldn't be able to see anything
The Panther II when it was in-game was a dream tank. It had an improved chassis and the gun of the tiger II. So it was highly mobile, dished out damage and the front couldn't be overmatched unless someone else had the long 88. Then gaijin moved it from 6.7 to 7.0 then procceeded to remove it from the game entirely.
I would love to have polish tanks like 7tp or tks 20 (being the same meme as l3cc) in WT. Also great video showing that the game dont entirely realistic... Or something.
I love this series!
Where is the commander?
@@warspite7452 prolly fuckin other ships
Boat gang boat gang
@@inanisfrfr6 shiet
@@ijnhieibb5140 don't mind the fact my profile pic is warriors of chaos and not warspite
In planes i can only remember r2y2's as fakes
Ho229 too, actually.. not entirely fake, but combination of several prototypes
J6K is also borderline fake as it was just a mockup irl, with entirely fake armament setup.
@@RFi731 if you have the horten than the bv-238 is a similar situation since it had no guns fitted IRL
At least the Horton actually flew unlike the none existent r2y2
@@RFi731 Actually the Horton 229 V3 has one built example which currently resides in the Smithsonian. If it were finished, it would have had even more features not shown in game.
I’m sure someone already mentioned it but the M6A2E1 when it was added it had a large UFP added which brought the frontal armor to 200mm. Although this plate existed on a plan it was for an old modification of the M6 with the 76mm essentially mixing two different projects together. Gaijin stated it was to make the vehicle like as if it had entered service. In my opinion it was to make the vehicle less likely to be useless in many people’s eyes. Since it still leaves two 100mm weakspots on either side I don’t tend to fight with the hull facing forward since the M6A2 has the blessed full reverse speed and a massive engine and bouncy engine deck.
I’d prefer it if the plate was gone myself cause then it might afford a lower br
The gun is what puts it that br. And the turret is almost impenetrable from the front. Hulled down M6A2E1 is op even for its current BR. You can't put a cannon that powerful any lower.
@@smolwavingsnail9028 I mean other than HE it’s got almost the same pen as the ASU-85. OP is seriously stretching it. Underplayed is more accurate. A of tanks can actually easily pen the turret if they just aimed for the big flat bit above the mantlet. And yeah the way to get hull down anywhere is just reverse the hull and face the engine deck at them. It’ll absorb almost every shell due to basically 250mm of engine. Only APDS & Soviet 122mm can pen through. Also gives 100% protection against 155mm HE shots to everything except top of turret shots
@@legozeke246 an ASU 85 is a TD that can be penned by most rank 2 vehicles. you wanna talk about stretches that comparison takes the cake. the M6A2E1 can sit behind a rock with it's cannon that one shots practically every time it pens with nothing but it's it's extremely strong and trolly turret sticking out. that small flat area you mentioned is extremely hard to hit and because of volumetric bounces most of the time. good positioning negates the front plate anyway. this vehicle would be monstrously over powered at any lower off a br even without the front plate and implying otherwise when you go on to say how driving it backwards make you practically invulnerable is dumb. you literally just proved my point. removing the front plat doesn't make it any less of a power house to anyone that knows how to play it. so yes it is overpowered and yes it would most certainly be at a lower br. next time you try prove someone wrong it might help if you don't inadvertently prove them right in the process
@@smolwavingsnail9028 well it’s good but it also comes into what you qualify as OP. It’s gun does fulfill two three I believe needed for a perfect gun. Pen, Post-Pen and reload. Reload being the item lacking. And yes the turret can be bouncy but that’s not in un heard of for that BR. You consider the vehicle vastly OP for 6.7. I think it’s good to great for 6.7 but not OP or requiring of a higher br. When you get down to it you essentially have T29 with a worse turret, worse reload, no side armor, a frontal plate that will only stop idiots with over tiered guns who don’t know where to aim and requires either playing hull down to take full advantage or playing in reverse which is considered unorthodox.
Am I saying all this to say the M6A2 is bad or that I dislike it? No not all. I’m saying if the vehicle was any higher in it would get outclassed by it’s 7.0 counterparts.
In my opinion it’s 6.7s are equal to it
The T26E1-1 gives you a better top speed reload, side armor and similar gun
The T26E5 is gives you a great reload and amazing armor (mostly)
The M26E1 is a very quick M26 with a fantastic reload to pen ratio almost on par with the Pak43
Then there’s the T30, T34 and T29. All of which I’d say are better vehicles.
I’m careful to not call vehicles OP when in fact a lot of vehicles are good and can be great when used to their advantages. If Gaijin regarded every vehicle as being “OP” when played to their advantage then we’d get a situation with T32s only 2-3 brs up and the one thing the vehicle does best is highly inconsistent and not worth bringing over more consistent vehicles of the same BR
@@legozeke246 you proved that it would be op if it was moved down. I agree it's ok where it is atm. Even though before my account got locked i did think it was fairly over powered. And im not even the greatest player. And yeh the reload was a bit horrendous. And the T26E5 is basically to a tiger 2 what a jumbo is to to a tiger one. the super pershing sucks imo and is over tiered now especially comapred to the T26E5 the extra plates do nothing because it's still not modelled correctly, gaijin doesn't understand how much velocity a shell loses when it hits something. So a tiger 2 can still pen it through both armour plates and the upper glacis which is total bullshit.
I have been wanting to see a channel about fake tanks for so long. Finally someone can explain those wacky design from both games!.
"WT player dont dont like to mention inaacuracy in thier game"
Consider the recent incident i would say it a complete opposite
true
What's the recent incident?
@@thehumanoddity tanker leaked secret document i think
One of the interesting things on WOTs side of fiction is the the E-75 was supposed to use the 10,5 cm I believe in lieu of the Tiger II and trying to mount a 10,5 cm on it. However the E-75 allows for the mounting of the 12,8 cm which is incorrect in the context of making the E-75 real or at the very least realistic to some degree
The E-50 and E-75 never got past the hull designs with no turrets being designed or selected. The ones you see on models or ingame are usually based on the theoretical turret drawings made by historians.
I believe the E-75's turret in WoT is actually just the larger turret that was proposed for the Tiger II to fit the 105mm. The E-50's is a fake modified Schmalturm.
@@ConeOfArc yeah I’m saying along the lines of proposed ideas because the E series was also meant to improve upon the previous tanks (of course) as well as be cost effective but of course making a cost effective and better vehicle when you’re at the end of a war and losing isn’t gunna work all that well
@@KermitTheGamer21 yes I know of the E-50 turret being fake not bad for being fake tho
Built a 1:35 scale plastic model of the E-50 & E-75 by Trumpeter. They look neat and all, especially with the longer 88mm & 105mm guns but really cannot imagine these vehicles in actual combat.
Good of you to make this video. I am old enough to remember when WoT put a historical mode in the game and weirdly, not enough people wanted to play it. Make of that what you will.
because the historical mode was unbalanced, that's why nobody wanted to play it. Plus, only a small selection of tanks and maps made this game mode quite boring quite quickly.
@@robinkhn2547 yes, I think you're right there... the real world and gaming are two separate things nowadays!
The Idea of fake tanks for games like this is ok as long as you take ideas from real tanks at the time and try extrapolating on them. Case in point WoT Polish mediums are mostly paper or designs from a tank design school (ie college level designs) in post wwII poland whom had pre war designs. But WG took some the concepts and added in little bit Soviet design philosophy and extrapolated on these fake designs make a full tech tree.
Designs that only existed on paper are ok if they actually existed on paper.
@@warpey5632 yes. _Looks at wot blitz and its dracula, smasher and whatever_
Until recently, the American T25 in WT was on that fence of reality and fantasy as it basically took the two main prototypes of that program and smooshed their features together in one tank. Spookston actually did a video similar to this one where he talked about it if you are interested.
Early WT player and german main (panthers have my heart).
Germany before the cold War tanks didn't have much past 6.7 and not a lot of juicy options for premium tanks. SLA, panther 2, and Tiger 2 105, flakpanzer 341, all made up for this gap between them, America, and Russsia.
While I like the realistic take on WT. It's a game. I'm fine with bending realism for balancing (especially on a game as grindy). They already do it so adding paper tanks I'm not against. Heck we got things from the 60s fighting tiger 2s.
We got things fromt the seventies fighting tiger Is. I recently found out the concept 3 was introduced in 1976 or so
AMX-30 1972 comes to mind....
why am i not surprised that the german main is complaining about "muh ww2 tanks fighting cold war tanks"
@@TheTankCrew the germans have a lot of overpowered vehicles, that are low in BR because they're driven by german mains with a collective IQ of 38. Half of you are brazilian wehraboos who still dont know where to shoot the jumbo after playing the tiger I for 200 games.
@@SteveIsHavingMC not really trying to be one of those guys but being uptiered and being dead weight isn't much fun. The long 88 is mediocre before being uptiered and the 105 isn't much better.
Rather not spend 15 minutes trying to avoid being seen to fish for 1-3 sideshots in a heavy tank that has slow acceleration and mobility.
It's not the worst till you play long range maps uptiered. You can't even run before someone gets their free SL.
Great video Cone! Going above and beyond back into WT just to give us a great video. Braver than I am, just thinking about that game makes me upset.
for the E-100: the maus-turm is 55 tons on its own
While its nice to have a reminder that WT isnt a simulator we have to consider that a lot of these legacy vehicles are gaijin trying to fill out the then top tier of 6.7 line ups for germany and as such they were scrounging around a fair bit.
Still coellian back in tech tree when
Some years ago, the war thunder twitter said that the ingame panther 2 was not a paper tank because all of its components had been made. Yeah, they went that far to NOT admit that they had fake tanks in game
I love how you point out the inaccuracies in WT it makes it where I can yell at gaijin for valid reasons
i mean, he no longer "works" for Gaijin so he can now say whatever he wants to without getting called out by the company
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@@ceoofdazn7615 hello, imma yell at you for a valid reason. Okay. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE IT WHERE I CAN PUNCH SOMEONE IN THE FACE FOR STEALING MY KILL. Thank you that’s the only valid reason I have of yelling at you
As a Japanese main, honestly I feel like the Ho-Ri Production should be replaced while the prototype can stay as a premium. The JSDF already have a successor to the prior vehicle being the Type 75 SPH that could replace the Ho-Ri, the Type 99 SPH. Plus it’s weird that a random Imperial era vehicle comes in the middle of the base tech tree in a tier with only other JSDF vehicles. Just feels like a bit of a clash of time periods.
man, its so hard to dream of Gaijin going to the path of "we are now allowing paper tanks to be in game" because we all know they'll just break the game more
I mean, some nations do need paper stuff like italy and japan
Said like this game is not broken
I wish they had like events just 1 time every year like the maus event so that players can get the tiger 105, panther 2, and flak panther
@@AlanLin1995I mean, he said it would break the game "more", which implies the game is already broken to some degree.
"He's illiterate"
"He'll adapt"
"He'll adapt to reading?"
lmao
Perhaps there could be an episode on fake tanks from total tank simulator? Not exactly a realistic game, but could be interesting.
the lego like game? Why...?
@@panzerlite8108 why not
What the game that breaks peoples computers
When they fix that I might go back
@@humanhuman5024 wut?
@@person0-016 that game is known for breaking gaming PCs just randomly happened to few people and happened to me
For me I was just playing and then my computer crashed I tried to turn it back on and nothing would happen
Next day it turned on but my graphics card is broken and the computer is super slow
This was not even a bad pc my pc ran battlefield 5 on high at 240fps and it ran total tank simulator perfectly as well before the crash
When I looked back at the game I found a steam guide where people were saying exactly the same thing that happens with my pc where it just crashed and broke the next day
This is funny ya know? Panther II was 50% fake. The E-100 is also half fake and yet... It's still in the game... U know why? MONEYYYYYYY
You missed the unrealistic Challenger 2. I have classified documents to prove that it's all... wait, what was that sound?
_"SAS OPEN UP!"_
wt community be like:
I'm very surprised hearing some people both mind fake tanks in games and that people have the audacity to get angry when you call their favorite game innacurate. I've always considered games like WT and WoT as games first, so I've always thought there was innacurate stuff added to streamline gameplay and progression.
To be honest I like those fake tank that have been taken away from the tech tree just because it's fake doesn't mean other players shouldn't be able to see them or use them the game is already highly unrealistic so with certain shooting mechanics and other things
I'm on your side here. I quite enjoy the more crazy prototypical AFV stuff and find it annoying when Gaijin picks and chooses rather than keep all guesstimate tanks. I especially found it humorous when, maybe due to the language barrier, they added the South African 'Concept 3' to the game with that name, a clear placeholder for something never built.
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Take them, you need some
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You might need some of these to so here you go.
I typed it quick don't try to give me a grammar lesson
You understand exactly what I'm saying
can you make a video about the fake tas tank variants? it is interesting to see that a random hungarian tank that never was completed has like 4 fake variants, one turreted and three tank destroyers. this all is thanks to one guy called pál korbuly. these are the fake hungarians:
1. tas tank with a large angular turret and maybe an 88mm gun. i believe it is referred to as 44m tas (k) or just tas with korbuly turret
2. tas tank destroyer with a flat casemate and a jagdpanther-like cut out area where the gun sits. this one has a horisontally placed cylindrical gun mantlet. this gun mantlet probably could have allowed the gun to move side-to-side, but it definetely could allow some gun depression
3. tas tank destroyer with a flat casemate with a sphere-like gun cover which didnt allow the gun to move side-to-side or to depress. this one is most likely a misinterpretation of the side profile of the tas tank destroyer korbuly originally made up
4. tas tank destroyer with a larger casemate and a spherical gun mantlet that is somewhere between the one the semovente 105 and the su-122-54 had
i hope these fakes will eventually get into one of the fake tank friday episodes
you could talk about the SK105 Super Kürassier (Prototyp) that would be nice :)
Anyone curious on the t34 sheilded?
I've seen pictures. But haven't found any documentation
I always hated that they removed those vehicles. It never made sense to me. Especially when there are other fictional vehicles still available and one of the replacements being even more fictional. They should have left them, alone for the reason that they add more usefull/playable/enjoyable content to the game.
I found this video fairly entertaining, but let's be honest. We play Warthunder because it's a badass game not for historical accuracy.
Hey cone I actually read a book in Sierra Vista AZ that talked in depth about the development and proposed deployment of the SLA.16 diesel engine. It was put into a tiger hull (can't say exactly which model) however it suffered issues of overheating and the project ended up having to be abandoned
It wasent a problem with overheating it was a problem that the king tigers needed to be modded to accept the SLA.16 Diesel Engine it was Air cooled not water cooled as well as a modular engine able to bring heavy vehicles like the jagdtiger and Kingtiger up to better speeds
cone of arc: The world of tanks turret is more accurate
wt players: impossible
oh how the turntables
Wargaming: Cuz I can make gods kill themselves! It is a game after all 😎
Gaijin (Daebom): WARGAMING-CHAN!!! >///<
Gaijin became a human form snail girl. Thats how fallen Gaijin really went lol
I think the Ostwind 2 turret being different from the one that’s described is solely for game balance. If it had a much larger gap like the documents say, then the turret crew would easily be machine-gunned to death from the front, which is already simple to do if you aim carefully. Open-tops already have it hard with artillery, aircraft, and being machine-gunned through turret gaps.
As a Japan main and someone who has spaded the Ho-Ri Production, the Ho-ri does fill in a hole in the tree, and while I think it might be fine if it was removed, it would make Japan’s already small lineups get smaller. If they ever do remove the Ho-Ri’s, I just hope something is put in its place as to compensate for it.
The Japanese got a replacement for the Type 75 SPH, which is the tank destroyer researched above the Ho-Ri. The Type 99. That could be a good replacement.
Are you going to do a part 2 to this video? If so I would love to watch it if not then thats ok with me
NEED TO LEAK MORE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS
-Every war thunder player
I feel like it's worth mentioning that the Panther II is most likely Gaijin's attempt to create an E-50 with "built" components mashed together, as back when it was added Germany lacked high tier tanks. It doesn't explain everything, but the E-50 if it were a completed design would help explain why it has an upgraded engine and would be a more reasonable explanation for why it has an 88mm Schmalturm. We might never know what the E-50 would've been like if it were finished and produced, but I think it is reasonable to say it most likely would've received the 88mm Schmalturm if that were completed and most of the other upgrades the Panther II has in game. The Panther II as it's represented in War Thunder is still a fake tank, but it helps to think of it more like a "finished" E-50 in disguise.
Grind thunder moment 😳
Imagine Wargaming make more Historical Accurate E-100 than Gaijin E-100
i was waiting for the tiger 10.5 cm, glad you talked about it! i have more info on it. the patch that included the removal of the tiger 10.5 from the tech tree also came with and explanation of why it was there in the first place. with the resources they had. they needed to make a tiger 2 that could compete against russia's top tier, the is-4.
gaijin quote: "Veterans of War Thunder Ground Forces will remember that the Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K) was the crown jewel of the German tree during the early stages of development. Added as a counterpart to the IS-4 at the time, this tank is based on a 1944 Krupp proposal to mount the 105mm KwK L/68 cannon on the existing Tiger II design that was rejected and never actually built. Ground forces and the German tree in particular has expanded exponentially since this tank was a necessary requirement for the German lineup and it no longer has a requirement to be within the main tree as a researchable vehicle."
I'm still wondering why Gaijin didn't add any of the 9cm armed Leopard prototypes as a replacement for the fake Panther II. Along with adding the *real* Panther II at a lower BR.
I'm not gonna lie... i would like they to add more "paper tanks" just because it's more fun, more content and more stuff to do. :D
Could u check the accuracy of the spähanzer ru251. It should be a german light tank
It does exist
@@chost-059 I always thought it was a paper tank that wasn't built
It exists. Theres an entire wikipedia article with its data.
@@awacsrazgriz967 aight.
About the Ostwind II, if you were to search it up and click the Tank Encyclopedia article for it, the article mentions "In addition, as the two guns were placed side by side, TWO new openings have to be made." Can somebody tell if I'm misinterpreting that as two seperate slots or no??
E100 in potato game originally use mouse turret as well. That was change in few weeks before release of tree. It was few videos and trailer featuring that variant.
that maus misspelling hurts me on a personal level
What about american T30? There is little to no evidence that it was a real modification outside of a few mentions and two likely-photoshopped photos. It's highly doubtful for me that it is possible at all to squeeze 155mm cannon in a turret initially designed for 105mm.
The T30 is/was still extant, though not in the best shape. There's also footage of it firing on youtube here. The T30 definitely existed.
The T30 is very real. It was intended as a vehicle for dealing with bunkers iirc.
@@ConeOfArc Exactly
@@ConeOfArc Then how were they able to fit a 155-mm gun into a turret that was originally intended for 105-mm at all? Either this is magic, or the designers of the original prototype with a 105-mm one should have been shot for sabotage in the form of a deliberately irrational tank layout (remembering the amount of alterations that are usually required to install a gun one and a half times larger in caliber, normally this is, at least, strengthening the hull and total redesign of the turret, like it was with KV-2, T-44-122, T-34-100, Brummbar or Tiger 2-105, which was mentioned in this video for that exact problem).
The only significant exception I know is IS, where it was possible to replace the 85-mm gun with a 122-mm relatively quickly, but this is rather the merit of an extremely successful and relatively compact 122-mm cannon of the Soviet model than the tank itself.
@@disketa25 There are 2 surviving prototypes displayed, one was in Detroit Arsenal in Warren, MI. Another is at Fort Jackson, South Carolina.
This should be enough to convinced you that it was indeed a real tank
I love how all three R2Y2 jets in the Japanese tree are just some Gaijin dev’s weaboo fan fiction
Contrary to popular belief the Ostwind did exist and was produced in large numbers. However it was kept on the alien motherships that were working with the Nazis to bring about the second Thanksgiving.
Credit - History Channel.
technically speaking half of the modern vehicles now in WT are mostly fantasy as well, as gaijin has made up most of their armour values and such
I mean, I think that as long as they label not perfectly accurate tanks as "what if tanks" it wouldn't be bad, I think that they internally don't mind doing that but they fear that if they come up clean by saying "we made this tank based on experimental trials and how they would have been deployed if they fixed the prototypes issues" would make them seem less "realistic" PR-wise
I think a cool fake tank you could take a look at would be the Chimeria tank destroyer in Wargame, a Canadian TD that seems to be based of the idea of the "Jagdchieftan" or the Chieftan Casemate Test Rig (CTR)
the song in the background is "Rise, Great Country Original Game Soundtrack" right?
Isn’t the the 150cm on the e100 in world of tanks fake to? I remember reading somewhere that the devs added it dor balance
The biggest problem with fake/experimental/prototype vehicles in War Thunder is that they often have some kind of ability that only worked on paper. Like a supercharged engine BUT it would always catch on fire during testing. Like a giant gun BUT it was too big for the turret to operate. Like an fast autoloader BUT in reality it would break down after cycling just a few rounds. When these vehicles are put in game they totally fuck up the flow and logic.
It's a video game
@@Americanbadashh Yeah I know and a lot of them don't fit the VIDEO GAME BALANCING.
I was watching your M-class submarine video just now, and I have another odd submarine class that you might find interesting. It is called the Surcouf class sub. The French sub had a turret with an armament of two 8 inch cannons
it was a cruiser sub!
there is yet another that got added recently, the zerstörer 45.
no image records and based on previous flakpanzer 4s it would probably be a modified wirbelwind turret, swapping its 2cm flakvierling with a 3cm flakvierling, not möbelwagen skirts and without a gunshield.
crazy to me how they removed the flakpanzer 341 which had an actual mockup but added not one, but 2 fake or wrongfully depicted vehicles
Great video's that give a excellent overview of what was real and what is a developer's inaccurate daydream. Keep them coming !😎
when you mention the e100 i personally think gaijin should have made the maus they had take it place so people can still get the maus instead of a odd tank
The E 100 was never a Tech Tree Vehicle, so not available for research and was only given out as a Reward for the Top X Players in Specific tournaments.
The only way to get it know is to be one lucky fcker with a loot box, grabbing that 0.6% Chance or you buy it for roundabout 1800 Bucks from another player, thats happen to sell it.
The Maus was available, got removed because of balance reasons and made short comebacks OveR events to give people the chance to research it.
So I was looking at your channel panel, and I would happily take the Maus from pushing from your left.
One tank you forgot was the Ho-ark’s as the Ho-Ri prototype was solely based on a wooden mock-up and the Ho-Ri Production being a complete fabrication.
Tiger 1, with panther turret. When was that available on WOT? Only seen it a couple times. Thanks 🙏.
for the e1OO, the reason its so commonly known for a maus turret is because thats what they used to test it, they made a maus turret to see if the e1OO could hold it, and thats what the soviets found
Not sure where you heard that but that is not true. The Soviets found a Maus turret on a blown up Maus hull and put it onto a complete hull which only had a simulated turret weight
Great video Steve!
The only thing that was a wall was paying to build it. Because these aren't too challenging beyond skill and physics. Tiger 1 is also made of paper, followed by money, materials, factories and labor. Most tanks in WT or WOTs are the same case. Just don't have the money, materials, factories and labor to build it.
Stories of tanks from Dr. Frankensteins workshop always give me a shiver.
Good and interesting video!! As a plastic model builder, especially of German WWII armor, this explains the sudden explosion of model kits of some crazy designs!!! I have a very extensive library of German armor, to include the "paper panzers" had the war continued into 1946 and beyond, but the kits of armor vehicles hitting the market now even has my library "confused". Lots of these designs that you depicted in the video are quite interesting but WTF over??? Never played a single second of World of Tanks or War Thunder - and not sure that I want to - but....Also, can understand/respect the "what if..." designs/theory of these vehicles, but a lot of them just look way too impractical. Now IF they were in a SCI-FI world, can see that working.
The Mistrals' seeker should protude out of the pods' holes when the pods' caps are open
I didn't think he would touch this with a 10 foot pole ever again
Something that seemed fake I briefly looked into was why the chinese T34-85s have a higher hp than soviet ones. All I could find was information of "rumors" that these tanks received an unspecified engine upgrade. They were just lend lease from russia, so the idea that the chinese put in new engines and then didnt really document it would be surprising. Anyways, great video as always!
with the sidam there is a variant that had c-13 hull an Italian design instead of the m113 seen in game this would be more fitting but i believe gaijin out of laziness just copy pasted, i also saw a photo of a c-13 sidam with mistral launchers but no idea if it was a mock up or not. also there is the proposed gepard with stingers that before missile spaags were introduced was highly suggested but with similar issues to it maybe being a mock up
I dont mind fake tanks being pointed out, i also like fake capabilities of overhyped tanks being pointed out
I have to say I rarely venture above a 3.7 rating, and usually hang out at 3.0 for the fun.
Hey man cool video, how about checking out the Char B1 Ter, the final variant of Char B1 series. Cool fact the “Ter” is for “Terminée” in French, meaning Finished.
the Schmalturm was build to carry the improved 75mmL70 KwK42 or the 88/L56 from Tiger 1 but not the 88/L71 from Tiger 2 as ingame.
I really want to find account that have Coelian, Panther 2, and Tiger 10.5. I somehow manage to push Maus event with under 1 week using KV 1c and now I am regretting that I didn't research German back when they still available.
As a long time war thunder player I really appreciate this video, I always wanted to see how real some tanks are in-game and never found one from CZcamsrs who cover tanks (Encyclopedia of tanks does something similar where they cover fake WoT tanks). Frankly I was jealous World of Tanks was getting all the attention!
You mean Wargaming. Yes, World of Tanks is considered an Arcade p2w game. Wargaming made bets on that one game topping out it's two other games.
And they do it pretty good. Gaijin mashed up only planes and tanks. When it's actually official, maybe they will implement all three categories in one big game. It might be hype for a while long, but it won't last that long.
Wargaming knows it can't usually keep the hype going with one event or a tank. But they can keep you in the game for a VERY long time
Just an additional side note, you can easily mod the skin or HUD in WoT, WoWS, and WoWP
don't even get me STARTED on the R2Y2s