Retention Reloads Will Get You Killed

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  • čas přidán 8. 01. 2024
  • Retaining your magazines has been said to be an issue that will take too long and will get people killed....Really?
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  • @2stroke438
    @2stroke438 Před 6 měsíci +88

    Ain't no way I'm not retaining my precious aug mags.

  • @kerbalairforce8802
    @kerbalairforce8802 Před 6 měsíci +78

    The video game Ghost Recon Wildlands "hardest mode" includes dropping mags instead of retaining that ammo. Players very quickly find out how fast they run out of freedom seeds reloading after 10 rounds.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 6 měsíci +46

      We should call that impulsive reloading a "California reload"

    • @user-cv8qe9ru8c
      @user-cv8qe9ru8c Před 5 měsíci +17

      Theres already a "new york reload". Throwing one gun and switching to a 2nd presumably stolen gun

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci +8

      @user-cv8qe9ru8c lol I know. But for shooting 10 rounds and then tossing the other 20 for an impulsive top off, that seems like a reflex only California's rifleman would acquire....10rd mag limits and all

    • @SaturnVII
      @SaturnVII Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@doitriteak It's honestly a gamer move more than anything, in my personal opinion. Btw sic flc

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci +2

      I agree but it just seemed funny.

  • @PhoenixBlaze1776
    @PhoenixBlaze1776 Před 6 měsíci +32

    Its all about context. If im in CQB sure or in a CCW context then i probably wont be retaining those mags but if im out in the feild the extra half second it takes to put a mag in a dump pouch isn't really gonna matter.

  • @christopherhayes3742
    @christopherhayes3742 Před 5 měsíci +8

    I read something in like Gung Ho, 40 years ago, a story about a Marine who went out looking for VC with a Special Forces unit , and he said something about picking up the mags the SF guys kept dropping when empty....for some reason I have always remembered this

  • @TerminalM193
    @TerminalM193 Před 5 měsíci +22

    I never liked the whole "disposable" concept when it comes to magazines, especially with living in Maryland. Standard capacity is perfectly legal to own and use but you can only buy / sell / trade 10rd magazines in state.
    I've made some pmags almost last to their third re-guts, "new spring & follower". The most reliable magazine I've used so far has been a pair of SS duramags sold by SOLGW. Both have seen thousands upon thousands of rounds and still have a spring within measurable spec. I believe SOLGW had a limited run where they teamed up with the dude from sprinco and duramag.

    • @paladin556
      @paladin556 Před 5 měsíci

      Go to Chantilly va or Harrisburg pa gun shows and get real mags. MD is a small state. Its not that far.

    • @TerminalM193
      @TerminalM193 Před 4 měsíci

      @@paladin556 I have a dude that sends magazine kits directly to my door now. Before I found the dude online I actually used one of my co-workers that lives in WV. Ordered it to his door and they somehow legally made it into Maryland 😉

  • @vrdrivesolutions3695
    @vrdrivesolutions3695 Před 5 měsíci +15

    Great video, good points. Dropping mags is pure LARP and a perversion, basically civilians pretending to be some kind of Tier 1 special forces seal team 6 high speed low drag larper.

    • @SilverShamrockNovelties
      @SilverShamrockNovelties Před 5 měsíci +1

      All those mags automatically replenish themselves when you respawn. It’s okay.

  • @radek3514
    @radek3514 Před 5 měsíci +36

    I seen too much footage from early GWOT to Ukraine (real conflicts) and can tell you "tactical" fast reloads just never happen. Its always shit ton of yelling staying behind cover and laying in dirt. LMG and granade launchers doing most of the work in that exchange.I understand having one fastmag for that occasional fast reload if that ever happens but having your kit layerd with just fastmags is stupid. Civilians/sport-shooters romanticised special forces that do 30 minute raids with gunship above them. This goes same with how much ppl carry nowdays. In early Gwot you have soldiers carrying 8-12mags regulary but in late GWOT you have 6 mags at maximum.Cuz nobody expects nowdays not-to-be-supplied and ammunition-stocks running low. Afgan got too stale and safe after 20 years when it comes to agression, supply chain got very stable compared to early days, And A-10 was always 10 munites away at call. But in the early days of Gwot everything was unknown, unstable,uncertain and very very agressive.

    • @CredibleHulk10
      @CredibleHulk10 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Wot

    • @Phantom8589
      @Phantom8589 Před 5 měsíci +6

      Having been in combat in both Iraq and Afghanistan I absolutely did tac-reloads, and would top up whenever practicle. And yes you are correct I would carry a minimum of 10 magazines with extras in my ruck. I don't think I saw anyone carry less than 10 and most carry over 13 if they had the realistate on them the rest were in rucks. Hell we had 6-7 ammo cans in/around every vehicle as well. Dead space was ammo, MRE's and water. There is no such thing as enough ammo. 😂

    • @radek3514
      @radek3514 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Phantom8589 I should definitely correct myslef on this statement "never happens" well yes and no I did seen it few times on footage attempt for tac-reload. But it either didnt matter that much cuz guy was covered by his buddies or behind some kind of solid cover where he just dumped it on the ground like whatever- but he didnt need to. Or the guy fucked it up due to stress and rushing it too hard.(This one I seen was in ukraine when the soldier was storming treches and he was first in line, his buddy started to yell at him to chill out ) (name of the video is "Атака вглиб оборони рф, - документальний фільм про контрнаступ Третьої штурмової на Бахмуті" It happens at 15:25. Point is its not as useful as everyone thinks.

    • @Phantom8589
      @Phantom8589 Před 5 měsíci

      @@radek3514 Agreed, Not always a practical and if it isn't practiced it creates problems. I'll check out the video thanks. 👍

    • @SilverShamrockNovelties
      @SilverShamrockNovelties Před 5 měsíci

      The 3-mag micro chest rig concept is a pervasive mythology that will get a lot of Lucas Blumpkin disciples unalived in a SHTF situation.

  • @johndecker9983
    @johndecker9983 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Excited Marine, "I got it right." Older, wiser, Marine."Now, train until you CAN NOT get it WRONG" been awhile since I heard it put in the times I got it wrong, as opposed to I've done it right a million times. Well played Marine.

  • @GeorgRavioli
    @GeorgRavioli Před 6 měsíci +13

    Good video! I emphasize practicing retention reloads, especially in awkward poses/positions like prone or leaning against cover. Far more practical than "face the target and speed reload". Interesting point about having a dump pouch by your mag pouches instead of in the back. I have mine on my back left, left of my mag pouches, perhaps not ideal but I don't have a lot of space on my belt.

  • @RH03111BFOUR
    @RH03111BFOUR Před 5 měsíci +3

    Bro, I spent 18 years in the Infantry in both the Marine Corps and the army and can obsoletely tell you that operating a weapon in a stressed environment is 100% gross motor skills. Magazine retention is 100% necessary. I used a dump pouch for over 10 years and never had a problem. Those that experience it as a problem is because they cant think outside the box and cant process simple gear changes that will enhance their abilities.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci

      If they are gross motor skills only, how does anyone hit a button right, feel for a pouch, or aim steady and pull the trigger or manipulate safeties, radios, etc?
      The issue is that weapons handling is a fine motor skill and your body will default to your long term memory and most consistently rehearsed procedure based on the stimuli. Check out "hitting in combat" by Dustin soloman. Police officers deal with this all the time due to poor training volume and quality. If shooting and weapons manipulations were a gross motor skill, this wouldn't be an issue.

  • @bullphrogva1804
    @bullphrogva1804 Před 6 měsíci +16

    The one thing you learn from these wars kicking off all over the world, is that no one cares about reloading split times. It doesn't save your life or get you killed like people who have spent their youth playing CoD think. You're absolutely right, there are situation where retention is a no brainer, and situations where it shouldn't be considered.

  • @user-sb9fw6ui2i
    @user-sb9fw6ui2i Před 5 měsíci +4

    I’ve always retained my mags. After a firefight, we’ve always done tactical reloads, because we never knew where the other bad guys would be hiding.

    • @CiviTac
      @CiviTac Před 5 měsíci +3

      That’s what everyone I’ve talked to said as well. Clear a structure or whatever, get in a short gunfight, retention reload when it’s calmed down and move on to the next room

  • @patrickedwards7107
    @patrickedwards7107 Před 5 měsíci +5

    I also use the condor one and have it situated around the same spot it can be folded and if you run it on a belt you can fit one of the single fast mag holders between its attachment points allowing that first reload to be very accessible on the beltline. The dump pouch can be useful as a forage bag in activities outside of using the rifle.

  • @Barnes-ml9wg
    @Barnes-ml9wg Před 6 měsíci +22

    Wait..are people actually preaching not retaining mags??

    • @kerbalairforce8802
      @kerbalairforce8802 Před 6 měsíci +16

      People who get their mags provided by taxpayers.

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 Před 6 měsíci +17

      @@kerbalairforce8802 Active duty Army here, we're taught to retain magazines. No serious infantry unit will tell you otherwise. This is definitely some civilian nonsense.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 6 měsíci +7

      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 you should look at the comments on my dump pouch vid. Guy claims he just claimed combat loss on all his mags and they would just give him new mags, no questions asked... HA!

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@doitriteak I mean sure that probaby happened, but I agree, why take the chance
      Also PMAGs are nice

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 6 měsíci +2

      PMAGS are only nice until they meet extreme arctic or high heat. The lips are delicate and I have chipped a few. The overinsertion-prevention lip on the 3rd gen is absolutely needed, but I'm either a Lancer guy if I have the money, or just a metal mag guy. But a decent amount of cheap polymer mags are good. PMAGS are the top in their polymer only category though, IMO

  • @perpetualconfusion5885
    @perpetualconfusion5885 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Problem with dropping mags as a Mini 14 user at the moment is magazines are $30 bucks a piece and I only have 5 at the moment... I'll take the extra 2 seconds and keep the magazine, because I don't have a world class logistics sytem to back me and also if you leave magazines behind, they can be hypothetically booby trapped. My grandpa who was arvn told me about them at somepoint.
    As a dump pouch, I currently use a 200rd eagle industry saw pouch which also can serve as a GP pouch on my plate carrier

  • @6daemonic6
    @6daemonic6 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Great video. I’d like to see a review of those Korean steel mags. I’ve been tempted to grab some over the years

  • @sirfanatical8763
    @sirfanatical8763 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Didn't even know these had a name but I've been practicing retention reloads for a long time now. Altough without the mag dump pouch and repurposed gucci bags glued together as load bearing gear. It works though and one day I'll get myself some real stuff.

  • @terrellevans2763
    @terrellevans2763 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Outside of cqb if you don't have time to retain a magazine you're fucking up. I think the Magpul dynamics era of fast shooting, fast reloads, and fast edits has convinced a lot of people tossing mags is the default

  • @SilverShamrockNovelties
    @SilverShamrockNovelties Před 6 měsíci +4

    @JayBlanco should see this video. Then create a 20 minute insane rant about how he disagrees with it because it makes sense.

  • @RavenRedwood
    @RavenRedwood Před 6 měsíci +1

    Now this is a spicy take I can get behind 👌

  • @101_skeleton6
    @101_skeleton6 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Unrelated, what pouches do you have on the back?
    I run 1 or 2 200 saw pouches rear
    Related, only m1 garand enbloc clips and striper clips are the only thing you can just dump.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci +1

      I have a waistband across the back

  • @freddyj1728
    @freddyj1728 Před 5 měsíci

    Excellent video!! 👍🏾

  • @Anarcho-harambeism
    @Anarcho-harambeism Před 5 měsíci

    One of the first things i wanted for my kit was a minimum of 12 mags, 7 on me 1 in the gun, the rust in the bag or stored, then im accumulating more over time.

  • @jacobsnyder6888
    @jacobsnyder6888 Před 5 měsíci

    I mean would it not make sense to just leave a open space in your mag holder next to the next mag your going to grab then you could retain and reload at the same time I mean that's what I would do but what do I know never been in that type of situation

  • @soothingmeow22
    @soothingmeow22 Před 5 měsíci

    As long as it works, I don't judge. Plus, if I'm reloading, you should be behind cover, so take the time and retain your mags. I personally can't stand the condor dump pouch. I'm a fan of the BFG. I never had an issue even overseas, and I have it on all my belt kits

  • @kingjehukhan8541
    @kingjehukhan8541 Před 6 měsíci

    Solid advice!

  • @bigoz7
    @bigoz7 Před 5 měsíci

    Cool vid thanks for sharing!

  • @bobbafett3050
    @bobbafett3050 Před 5 měsíci

    My magazine pouches are there to hold onto my magazines and to keep crap out of them while I roll around in the dirt for potentially days or weeks at a time. Dropping a magazine for whatever reason means I am one magazine short next mission. I'll do it, but not if there is the option to retain.

  • @HDBujutsu1775
    @HDBujutsu1775 Před 5 měsíci

    CQB maybe, the rest of the time I still run a dump pouch. Reloads should be from behind cover or a lull in the fight.

  • @fearrogue
    @fearrogue Před 6 měsíci

    They are odd i can do it but its so ez to just drop the mag.

  • @danmorgan3685
    @danmorgan3685 Před 5 měsíci

    I actually have to buy my mags. So I'm keeping them. If they break I'm stripping them of working parts and cobbling functional mags. I'm my own resupply so dropping mags simply isn't an option.

  • @jay-by1se
    @jay-by1se Před 5 měsíci

    I clicked on this video about to totally agree with everything in it. it takes me 1.5 seconds to reload my weapon. I have no idea how long it would take to go through the process this man is advising but I’m guessing about 35 seconds to a minute. part of being light infantry is learning to reload with incredible speed where you’re at. and you just scream reloading so you’re teammates know to not count on you for covering fire.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci

      Not sure what universe you're in where 1.5 seconds is a realistic time. But in fantasy land, im a billionaire

  • @danfriesen4417
    @danfriesen4417 Před 5 měsíci

    People leave mags in the field ? Odd..

  • @russki4780
    @russki4780 Před 5 měsíci

    it would be possible if only the government would make us replacements. At least keep 2 or 3 mags in case. Fast reloads are useful during close combat where a fraction of a sec can get you killed.

  • @winterautumnfishing5215
    @winterautumnfishing5215 Před 5 měsíci +1

    99% of the time, ive always been able to lean my rifle against a structure, reload with both hands, retain, and then move on

  • @rifles_up2263
    @rifles_up2263 Před 5 měsíci

    “Changing……Rifles up”

  • @SoloRenegade
    @SoloRenegade Před 5 měsíci

    I've never not retained mags, not matter how intense the fight was. And I never had a dump pouch. you don't through away something you'll need later.

  • @deangullberry5148
    @deangullberry5148 Před 5 měsíci

    Over the years I've accumulated around 400 magazines. That's enough for about 10,000 rounds. If fecal matter collides with a centrifugal oscillator odds, are I won't live long enough to use all of that. My mags are disposable. My mags hit the ground. I train as I fight. I don't give a crap about finding a baggie when party favors are flying. I can pick mags up when range day is over, since it's my backyard.
    Since you don't think training mags are a thing should we skip shooting paper and steel targets, and go straight for people?

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci +5

      You're reaching....cute. 400 mags isn't something to brag about. That is a testament that you're a gear collector instead of a skill collector. At least you understand your limited skills won't get you far. Your suggestion about shooting people is immature and a testament to how stupid you sound. Comparing leaving your mags at the range to shooting real people are not comparable. A procedural concept that has consequences versus shooting innocent people. You are a problem.

  • @JoshuaGrantland
    @JoshuaGrantland Před 5 měsíci

    There's no way I'm not retaining my Lancer mags, I might get stuck using Promag or Hexmag junk.

  • @grimorslochdiety1988
    @grimorslochdiety1988 Před 5 měsíci

    What metal mags are those?

  • @themightycrixus1131
    @themightycrixus1131 Před 5 měsíci +1

    9:38 If a empty mag doesn't fall free from your gun when you hit the release, you need a new mag. Don't run those. It may be good for training purposes but that is it. Any mag should fall free.

    • @themightycrixus1131
      @themightycrixus1131 Před 5 měsíci

      Nice video btw.

    • @slappy8941
      @slappy8941 Před 5 měsíci +4

      You're obviously talking ONLY about the AR platform.

    • @themightycrixus1131
      @themightycrixus1131 Před 5 měsíci

      @@slappy8941 no i am talking about all. Why would you ever seriously run a magazine that you have to forcibly remove from the gun?

    • @TheMusicftw1
      @TheMusicftw1 Před 5 měsíci

      @@themightycrixus1131AKs. lol.

  • @zeayh
    @zeayh Před 5 měsíci

    The thing about super fast reloads is that it doesn't hurt you at all to practice & get consistent with doing them since you have the gun, you probably have the time, & you probably have a place to do it at and the other thing is since people are all over the place with what they know when it comes to this stuff, expecting a guy to know more about tactics or whatever over gun handling when he just got into it or started taking it seriously is kinda stupid. If you're seeing nothing but "fast reload, look around, fast reload" or whatever will get you kilt in da streetz when you're at the point where you wanna learn about other stuff, maybe you should try harder to find stuff that you're interested in instead of wasting your time watching videos debating retention or no retention or fast draws when a guy is on top of you or timing it when his attention is divided or whatever.
    Haven't seen any of the other videos you may or may not have, but hopefully you make videos teaching people what you think they should learn about instead or what they're asking you to teach them. Have a good one everyone 🤙🏻

  • @SoloRenegade
    @SoloRenegade Před 5 měsíci

    you can't dispose your mags and expect to find more. you have to assume you're going to run out, always. never Assume you'll get more. Anything in your kit that is expendable is a liability when it comes to survival and combat (and that includes batteries, ammo, food, water, etc.).

  • @Killicon93
    @Killicon93 Před 5 měsíci

    Ever since I've been a teenager I've thought that those speed-reload videos are kinda pointless. Even back then I learned from airsoft that those engagements where you get close enough for the speed reload to be truly viable you're in a situation where you're lucky if you even get to reload.
    A far better reload skill test would be doing a handful of retentive reloads and counting their average time.

  • @user-sb9fw6ui2i
    @user-sb9fw6ui2i Před 5 měsíci

    You need to put pull loops on all of your mags.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci

      Perhaps

    • @user-sb9fw6ui2i
      @user-sb9fw6ui2i Před 5 měsíci

      @@doitriteak it makes pulling mags out of the pouches easier and faster.

  • @Kombatkegz
    @Kombatkegz Před 5 měsíci

    Lmao nah, after reading house to house if David Belavia didn’t have those mags he retained in his dump he would have been killed.
    Keep your mags if you can.

  • @tomquirin4231
    @tomquirin4231 Před 5 měsíci

    hey my brotha , i am a new sub for ya here n i am a u.s. marine vet here 93' to 97' active ! n only havce email here ! , def. wanna talk moren LOVE talking gear n military n tactical stuff here allday , thanks n talk soon > tom !

  • @jacobsnyder6888
    @jacobsnyder6888 Před 5 měsíci

    Lmfao practice what you preach before you start talking SHIT!!! I laughed so hard I couldn't imagine leaving my mags anywhere fuck that unless of course I don't have a choice

  • @Alaskaskydiver
    @Alaskaskydiver Před 6 měsíci

    Even though this guy is Air Force, this has been one of his better videos.

    • @RavenRedwood
      @RavenRedwood Před 6 měsíci

      If this was a joke, it went way over my head

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 6 měsíci +2

      There is always one stalker

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 6 měsíci +2

      He's right....im a fraud. He is also my ex lover💘

    • @Alaskaskydiver
      @Alaskaskydiver Před 6 měsíci

      I can't quit you!

    • @SilverShamrockNovelties
      @SilverShamrockNovelties Před 6 měsíci

      Spoken like a true couch commando who has no idea what the Air Force does.

  • @theintrovertedcalifornian5047
    @theintrovertedcalifornian5047 Před 6 měsíci +2

    sorry if im in a firefight im not putting my weapon on safe lol.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 6 měsíci +4

      I never did myself but it is a part of the drill. It isn't hard to put it back on fire. It literally doesn't rob you of any time.

  • @dorjedriftwood2731
    @dorjedriftwood2731 Před 4 měsíci

    Your presentation and scriptwriting causes your point damage.

  • @gripz9387
    @gripz9387 Před 5 měsíci

    Who tf are you and what makes you qualified to speak on this topic?? Videogame and airsoft/couch larping doesn’t count.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci +3

      I am a big call of duty player. I know everything there is to know about combat. Full auto all day.

    • @gripz9387
      @gripz9387 Před 5 měsíci

      @@doitriteak fr tho
      Do you have any combat or law enforcement experience???
      I’m getting real tired of these “x will get you killed in shtf” videos from unqualified couch commandos.

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci +1

      @gripz9387 you didn't watch the video

    • @gripz9387
      @gripz9387 Před 5 měsíci

      @@doitriteak if you addressed it in the video drop a time stamp so I can listen
      Not just you but anyone else who does these videos with “I’m so and so and I have x number of years of experience in x” otherwise people feel like you’re just another Joe blow talking on something you’re not qualified to talk about

    • @doitriteak
      @doitriteak  Před 5 měsíci +2

      @gripz9387 i like being mysterious. It turns people on

  • @lbsand976
    @lbsand976 Před 5 měsíci

    hahah good old MEtube killin it with funny rec's lately.. good to see someone still rockin some 'Nam to Blackhawk Down kit with canteen. hopefully you got the canteen cup in there so you can cook your K-rations. keep em on their toes killer!