This Is A New iX / e-tron Competitor Launching In Europe This Week! I Drive The Voyah Free
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2022
- Kyle is in Oslo checking out the brand new Voyah free long-range AWD version which is the only being sold in Europe - starting market is Norway with more to come soon. The first 500 vehicles will start to be delivered this upcoming week so no better time to upload a video with Kyle's first impressions of this electric SUV!
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#Voyah #Free #EV - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Kyle .. I've gotta give you props for your dedication to electric car reviews. One of the few CZcamsrs who's passion you can see come through on their videos. Plus you bring us access to cars overseas which is cool to see. Keep up the good work.
Still many more years before I woud consisted buying China or Vietnamese cars.
No problem with a car from Vietnam,never would buy a car from China!
16:28, the "battery discharge cutoff" is likely for preventing the vehicle-to-load function from draining your battery below the level you specify.
U have quickly become one of my favourite CZcams automotive reviewers
You are Right, new brand was a BIg Issue in the 60s. Now they all make good quality depending price..
Looks like the Western car makers who have been pushing upmarket assuming the Chinese would just want to come in at the bottom end might be getting a little worried. The Chinese are going to attack both ends of the market. And do a pretty good job.
It is exactly the opposite, the Chinese attack, and the west moves slowly. Chinese producers started this, not the west. China has more than 100 EV producers, what you see is nothing. This year, Chinese automakers sold over 7 million EVs in China...
China has more or less 300 EV brands.
They are really not (yet). Just to give an anecdote: If you're somewhat successful (think manager, etc) in China and you want to buy a car, it is expected of you to buy a non-chinese car, both as a symbol of wealth but also because the Chinese manufacturers are still not there yet on the level of western manufacturers. Lincoln for example is booming in China
@@theWebmasterify yea and no. Lincoln is for sure booming in China because they’re curious, want to have variety and they have money. In general the Chinese know Lincoln are shit cars.
Kyle.....pretty sure you're the hardest working guy covering the EV world. Much appreciation for your enthusiasm.
US version of Bjørn Nyland😉
Not to belittle Kyle's work, but the Electric Viking is also doing a pretty good job in terms of EV news.
@@hermesliteratus882 True, as Sam seems to put out a new video every few hours. That said, he doesn’t do any hands-on testing and he relies too much on sensationalist (Game-changer!!!) headlines.
@@hermesliteratus882 I mean... all he does is give commentary from his own home. He hardly tests any vehicles and if he does it's from an amateur's perspective. Meanwhile he often makes sensationalist claims, and gives some (imho) bad financial advice. Not in the same category or even league as Kyle or Bjørn at all.
So much better than BMW iX
LOL.. Hardly..
Hahaha you don`t know much about cars.
By the words you mentioned about the trust, Voyah is the company belongs to Dongfeng ( The China No.2 Automobile Industry Company), It's actually more reliable than Nio or Li Auto.
In China, we prefer pure EV brands over traditional combustion engine car makers.
Almost no one buys BMW, Mercedes, VW, or Audi EVs (priced lower than in Europe), even though their petrol cars are super popular.
The nio es8 is prized in norway without the battery, cause you get the option to rent the battery for a monthly fee. So if you buy the nio with the battery its actually a bit more than the voyah.
Lovely looking car. Wheelsboy had a voyah video today as well. Well put together.
When I tested this car in China a year ago I thought it felt very French. No kidding, there is Dongfeng Peugeot, Dongfeng Citroen, Dongfeng Renault and Dongfeng Nissan. Good build quality and well designed. Voyah is just made with more luxurious materials. As with NIO that is made by JAC Automotive Dongfeng is also using European designers and suppliers (located in China) to make their cars.
The sport mode has the dashboard lowered for better visibility in hilly winding roads. It makes sense when you try it. This actually scored higher than the NIO ES6 because I realized I don’t need that big car (trunk).
The front for me is clearly a Peugeot.
Now THAT is how computer screens should be put in cars: horizontally and nicely inlaid into the dashboard (instead of in cheap-looking iPad-glued-to-dashboard portrait screens). I'm waiting for some automaker to make their electrochromic roof glass go opaque (like in the Boeing Dreamliner passenger windows), not just translucent like here and in the Taycan and in the Venza. But this electrochromic glass here is very cool, as far as it goes... In fact, put these screens and that electrochromic glass (along with the "physical" button panels of the EV6 or Ioniq5) into the forthcoming Polestar 3 (with good, working software), and you have almost the perfect BEV!
Lincoln, Skoda, Alfa and Porsche vibes. Looks neat! As Google Auto and Apple penetrate deeper into automotive systems, Chinese brands will be able to compete very successfully at large scale with incumbent European, American and Japanese/Korean brands. The EV and tech revolution in autos will result in a consumer paradise of choice, value and quality.
Nice looking car and some nice color options. I like the green.
All the abbreviations is because the original UI was probably designed with Chinese characters, which require less space.
So the steering feedback intensity ( i think that was INT) had to be abbreviated otherwise it just doesn’t fit.
Classical software engineering problem designing UI with a specific language in mind
Not bad! Not bad at all! Great review! Beautiful green color!
charging speed is not an issue for china because there are over 5 mil fast public chargers in china so you can pretty much charge every time you park. just charge however much you get every time and there is no need to wait for it to get fully charged.
国内桩是多，但是实际的400V直流快充速度普遍慢很多，可能和国标接口、充电协议有关系
Great to have you in Norway. Welcome back some time. You never mentioned the lack of head up display? I've come accustomed to HUD and they seem to be better and better, so why no HUD? Same on the Honqui, HUD in China, not in Norway??
Rear has Renault Avantime vibes and the front is sporty Skoda, I REALLY like it!
Such a beautiful looking vehicle. Only hope US will be getting these one day for sure👏👏👏
Where I live, the car may get vandalized in broad daylight.
@@AhBeeDoiSan Francisco?
@@Carfan678 Or L.A.
Yup, car break ins are rampant.
@@AhBeeDoi because it’s chinese?
2:10 moving screens up and down might resolve the issue of steering wheel blocking the view for drivers of certain height
Damn I love those wheels
Nice to see all this Euro content! Will you be taking a closer look at the new Volvo EX90 while in Scandinavia? Not enough North American coverage of that car, in my opinion.
I love your videos. You helped me buy my first EV (I have the ID.4 on order). I wish you spent more time in the backseat and cargo area. If you go into the backseat you focus on leg room and head room. I wish you would talk about seat comfort, does it recline, how much room with two people in the back, can you really fit three etc. I think for lots of people the back seat is a deal breaker, it was the reason we crossed the EV6 off our list. Anyways these are things I look for in a vehicle.
I love the roof. Much nicer than a sliding cover.
So many sour grapes in the comments section 😂
This looks amazing!
Gorgeous SUV.
The 100kW version of Voyah Free sells for $51,000 USD in China, so about $20,000 less than the Norwegian price. That is a lot of car for the money.
it doesn't sell very well in China, NIO outsell it by 5:1 at least.
@@liyuanxing830 nio is also a bigger company, this is just hitting production ramp, so it might be a supply issue instead of a demand issue.
As long as they sell every single one they make they’re doing well
The premise of achieving this price is to have the advantages of China's entire industrial chain.
In China, you only need to find a bank for a loan of 30 billion to 50 billion yuan. Ask the local government for a piece of land and recruit thousands of employees. Letting a dog be the boss can make a qualified electric car.
@@1970351C2V what are you talking about? their factories are more mordern than 95% of the rest of the world. half of the world's industrial robots are sold here.
@@1970351C2V I don't know where you read it but 15% miscarriages is just BS . China also install half of the world's renewable energy . You obviously have no idea what China actually is, seriously, get ride of your arrogance and stop being a jerk
It looks gorgeous and the green is perfect
You should try Hongqi e-hs9 if you are still in Norway😁
The Bentley from Wish 🙃
@@Dqtube You got it
hope he gets a chance to try Zeeker 001 and Zeeker 009
16000+ units sold in china last year. for Voyah.
Does the dash lower so it is level top? Maybe a table space?
When will you do a review on the Cadillac Lyriq? I know a lot of people have reviewed it, however they talk about the basics and I know you'll talk about things in depth
Can you please tell if suspension stiffness is really not adjustable? So drive mode only changes suspension height but not stiffness? It is really fixed and you cant make car softer or stiffer???
It's already available in Ecuador, USD 65.000
Dongfeng is good Brand used make power tiller , Tractor and Truck , There truck and power tiller is very popular in Bangladesh , In early 90s our city corporation bought bunch of Dongfeng Garbage truck which was a copy (or may be licensed )of Isuzu . and they work well without any good and proper maintaince . Some may be still in service , Now most of them is replaced with Hino Compactor truck
What’s the situation with the word “situation”? Seems to be used for most any situation. Please advise definition.
Can you bring one back to us in North Carolina?
The xpeng g9 is the fastest charging car on the planet. But yes, most of the Chinese ones are not super fast chargers.
16:30 “Battery discharge cutoff” is probably for V2L, if the car supports that.
Yes, it is! I found out later in the video - thanks for watching - Kyle
@@OutofSpecReviews No worries, everybody at OOS is awesome! Thanks for all the content lately.
Kyle hope to see a polestar 3 vid when you get the chance. I know you are very busy
Why can’t Toyota look at these compelling Chinese EVs and make one as good? Chinese EVs are far superior to abysmal Toyota bz4x.
Awsome EV..
Need to go for that
I'm sorry, but the United States will NEVER allow a Chinese automaker to sell in the US. The only way they would allow it, is like a Polestar were a Chinese company buys a non-Chinese brand and they sell through that company, but with everything that is going on, I doubt they will allow the purchase of a US brand by a Chinese company any time soon.
@mingoucz jcz Not really. I was just stating the facts, the US would not allow a Chinese automaker over here unless it was apart of some sort of licensing deal. Learn to read.
And considering the billions China is throwing behind EV development, I would expect them to be turning out models that at least show well.
@@mingouczjcz3800 As someone who has a CDL, I can tell you a bus is not a car which is what I said, and they are not the number one seller. That goes to Proterra. Just looked it up.
@@mingouczjcz3800 Should also add that the BYD buses are built in the US as apart of a license deal, once again confirming what I said.
@mingoucz jcz Busses aren't cars. Commercial vehicles tend to have different import policies than automobile s, by which typically are cars, pickup trucks and SUVs. Sorry, you're still wrong.
@@jhmcd2Proterra has filed for bankruptcy 😂😅
not the Russians, but the Chinese rule the world.
With the rush of Chinese brands, I don't know which of the 10 dozen will still be here in 10 years.
Good review.
Chinese here who've worked for EV company. I'm very curious to know whether EV would be actually working in Nordic countries because the battery performance significantly deteriorates in cold winters. Or Is it like a trend to maybe have 2 cars for each family, like Electric for Spring Summer and then switch to petrol in Autumn Winter? Thanks In advance.
Review hongqi pls
Very interesting car
Will you test MG5 Facelift?
Any chance of testing the new MG4 Electric?
Good call
Are you still in Norway 🇳🇴 ? Would like to meet you guys, if possible ?
He’s home in Colorado now
Please keep your cammera steady ! ......;-(
This company have sales and service of Toyota, Huyndai, BMW in I think in 11 Norwegian citys and they are a typical Toyota Company with good and high service.
This cars is sold by one of the best and most serous car companies in Norway, andby that the best Chinese electric cars.
The dash lowering must be for improved aerodynamics 🤣
Pls I beg you drive the vinfast vf9 and the radar rd6 pls pls !
It's a wagon, it should sell in Scandinavia!
Wow! Looks gorgeous.
12:22 The new Venza offers the same thing
“11kW onboard AC charging isn’t the end of the world”
What cars are shipping with more than 11kW AC these days? Seems to have been the standard most have settled on.
Lucid Air, up to 19.2 kW, stupid expensive though.
NIO outsell Voyah 5:1 in china market. why? quality and ownership experience.
Success.
Dongfeng builds Peugeot cars in China - in Denmar the Voyah Free (Free,,,what a name for a chinese car) is sold trough Peugeot dealers, as a “cheap” alternative to the established European brands,,,,BMW, Mercedes, Audi,,,
Kyle if you haven't noticed, the window switches are straight from a W205 c class
No ski hatch. Kinda silly for Europe especially Norway.
they will fix it
"Corning" glass maybe.
Hi…. Maybe you can prepare your video in future. “Hey…. What’s this….. hey, what’s that….” ALL the time when going through the menus. You are not providing the answers, so it really doesn’t help. Ask the vendor what it is and THEN make a video. This is not your first video, but it would seem like it….
I’m not sure the right strategy for Chinese car makers to enter the western market is in the high end. They’re competing against the brand name and not just the product. Where they should focus their entry is in the sub 20k market which is unserved in Europe and America but there is high demand and they’re used to serving that market in China
That's what Japan did in the USA and it took decades for people to stop laughing at them. Hollywood even made a big budget movie laughing at them. Top spec oec is the way to go to dispel the "cheap chinese product" bias.
There is MG but more will come....EVs are still very expensive for awerage europe family..that is why so little off them on roads except Norway
MG and BYD will do ，they can provide pretty affordable car，China has hundreds new ev brand now，involve all the markets from bottom to the top
They over-engineered the hell out of that infotainment system, but not in a good way. There is just way too much going on.
The night vision is not an expensive real thermal camera like German cars but a night vision color CMOS like CCTV cameras which is why it can see the trees. It helps but not as good.
Why is the hood stupidly long?
The bad news for this brand and others trying to succeed in Norway with big EVs is that from 2023 a new tax policy will be in place, with an additional NOK 12.5 per each kilogram above the 500 kg limit, plus cars with a base price above NOK 500,000 will have an additional tax of 25%. So basically similar rules here to ICE vehicles.
In the case of this car it will be approximately another 200K NOK plus.
wow, amazing Chinese technology. reminds me of the intellectual espionage case involving China in the cornfields of Iowa that may have cost American companies upward of $500m. ( TRUE SPIES PODCAST THE SPY IN THE CORNFIELD )
Looks like a Vel-Satis from the rear
What are Voyah's plans for the US market? I'm a bit nervous that they, NIO, BYD, etc will all pounce the US at once and create a collapse of established brands.
That's the point of competition. It will force established brand to actually innovate in the EV space. However it's not like the US market is huge on EV's enough to collapse our established brands.
@@aRANDOMqUICKIEgunsandfun I am all for competition. But I do want to see a vibrant US EV ecosystem develop, for the good of our economy.
Voyah isn't doing too well in China. The Free is often derided for being a bit "generic" (let that sink in a bit) among the fierce competition. Dengfeng, owner of the Voyah marque, seems to be having a bit struggle with NEV cars. Being a large SoE however means they won't be going anywhere soon. Voyah's second model, the Dreamer minivan, is faring a tad better, and they'll soon release a sedan.
Anyway. Your worry is warranted. There is a plethora of Chinese NEV makers - BYD, Changan, Geely, SAIC, GWM, GAC, Nio, Xpeng, Li Auto, Neta, Leapmotor... all more competitive (sales wise at least) than Dongfeng, that are eager to expand overseas. Geopolitical issues means the US will probably be among the last market they land, but when they do, it'll be the fittest among the survivors, having not just taken roots in China, but also Europe, Japan, SEA, the Oceania...
Nah, all Chinese cars will eventually be barred from the US just as they have barred cell phones and computers . The us has many ways to put soft bans on products or companies.
Politically. They won't be allowed into the market. Too much of a security problem.
@7:07 Bland looking! Totally Bland looking Car! imho
No chinese EV for me.
Nice car. But please use a mic… for headphone users it’s like you’re walking closely behind me and constantly switching between whispering into my left and right ear… unbearable…
Just switch to mono if you can.
You should be worrie about a dinosaur 🦖 like Audi is going to be around by 2030 no this Chinese company.by the way can you tell me where is the location of audio electric giga factory located .o they make electric car on ice factory.
Audi is not the big player in Europa..
is it Chinese product ?
the encumbents need to watch out. chinese automakers are going to do to EVs what japanese and koreans did in 80s to today.
German cars are highly developed, expensive and but not reliably anymore. They are not worth there money.
Ya! More over priced vehicles.
Other than the questions of it being reliable and needing to have a good dealer network... I would want to know that my 70K isnt funding the PLA in anyway or subjugating Uyghur Muslims or Tibetans and possibly invading a democratic country like Taiwan. But that's just me. I'm silly like that.
Seriously? You're a guy whose country just spent 20 years committing war crimes in the middle east and you're worried about a country that has not invaded anywhere this century. What's the rationale? Good for me not for thee? What major wars since ww2 weren't started or entirely escalated by western democracies? That's a mighty big glass house you're chucking rocks from.
@@reginald7214 You mean a country that tried to bring justice and democracy to a country that really didn't want it and would never fight for it because they are too corrupt? Yep.... As for war crimes....That's a lot different than what China is doing to it's own people now isnt it Mr. High and Mighty? Since you are obviously a PLA/China apologist. Please let us all know what country that you hail from?
@@robgrt I'm glad committing war crimes is fine. Thanks for the first world view. Pretty cozy up there......the usa has 18 years of peace in its history....800 military bases outside the mainland... and the uyghurs you are so concerned about are on the usa terrorist list as well. ...Hong Kong I would agree with and there's no reason to invade taiwan after all these years. But to sit there and be smug enough to pass judgment on any other country when you are an American is priceless.
Oh look, another NSA virtue-signaling bot. The AI behind them is getting frighteningly good. Sorry to break it to you, but your average American will sell his or her mother just to get a discount.
@@dr.andersonsghost4315 😆 🤣
Why would you call a brand 'VOYAH'??
NOT convinced!
Why rip off some dead guys name? Who knows.
@@reginald7214
I'm from Vis, a Croatian Island!
It's ok with this little black Duck!
_That's A Quack!_
@@ivankuljis1780 😆 🤣
My guess is that it's based on "voyage" (a long journey involving travel). Pronounced a little like 'voyage' in French, but only partially. The owner, Dongfeng, works with French car manufacturers (Peugeot Citroën, Renault).
How much did you get paid to do this?, obvious paid advertising.
You are usually very critical of the tiniest detail in cars like Tesla, Ford Lighting and this is all perfect…?
Why does this guy only wear hoodies with stains on them? He needs a better stylist.
Kyle wears a $1k smart watch, but wears “Everyman” clothes. It’s his look
I‘m here for the content and the amazing presentation, not the clothes
If you are not satisfied, try some fashion creators ;)
Kyle, please put hybrid in title so pure EV buyers don’t waste time. Hybrids are obsolete in USA. I want a 30-40% duty on all Chinese EV imports to USA. I would never buy a Chinese EV, battery, or motor which helps CCP government.
It's not a hybrid. It's pure ev from the ground up. They have an extended range ev but not in europe. Did you watch the video or just complain because it is chinese?
@@reginald7214 My mistake and thought I heard Kyle mention hybrid. Yes, video of vehicle was pretty good except for charging power. Sorry, I don't buy high-ticket items from China and advise family, friends, and acquaintances to do same.
@@johnpoldo8817 why?
@@reginald7214 I never buy high ticket items from china because it helps Chinese government.
People how can afford an iX or etron dont buy that Kind of shit instead.
i hate when chinese cars think they can charge the same prices as german and japanese cars when they don't pay the same wages for production
And yet the iPhone is manufactured in China. Price != production cost. I’d rather have these made in Canada but I’m a realist.
@@smartelectriccar yes and but still good software and quality with Apple
They don't do that at home. But they have to in Europe, thanks to all the surcharges.
Price don't determined by manufacture cost, but market. And what makes you think wages are low? I make about 50,000 usd net income annually with 5 years expierences. I think the wages for workers are close to 12000 usd annually. With cheap meal and health care expenses, mostly free education, that money is good enough. It's not the labor cost makes China the place to make everything since long ago.
Not sure if these cars will continue to be allowed to be sold in the West. With a chip ban expanding to mid range chips, Chinese manufacturing is falling off the cliff.
11:34 Look plush but is in fact dangerous. I would rather stay away from a car whose driver has to lean over to push those touch screens on the right.
"hope Chinese badges go away"? Are you serious? Chinese badges go away on Chinese car? Do you even understand that in 2 seconds you turned into ... well it probably should be mentioned in polite society. Well, sketchy...
he meant they should have Voyah instead of 嵐图 at the back so ppl understand what car it is... the metal badge at the trunk door... chill man 😅
Say NO to China cars!
Hide yourself then .What the shit 💩 you are collecting here. If you did some at least don't eat it. Thanks .take care.
@@jameel3031 Curse all you want still NO to China cars!!!
Very delusional 😅
@Nduka You don't get it do you. There are great many thing you don't want to buy from CHINA. Car is 1 of them!!!
@@Joseph-me6nv You should know what's not telling.
Nice Mercedes knock off steering wheel. Why would you call a car the free kinda dumb. Dash looks nice tho.
Looks like Chinese car makers are starting to make pretty good cars for export. I’m also thinking of NIO here. But why would Americans want to buy these cars? Why would Americans want to support a geopolitical and geoeconomic antagonist? (Please keep in mind that all Chinese companies are appendages of the Chinese central government and the Chinese communist party.) Good review, as always, Kyle.
:) Chinese government don’t even notice what you said , the anti China propaganda works so well . Amazing
I would love a Chinese EV, especially a Nio or BYD. they check every box for me at my price point. a model 3/Y has inflated in price so much, ID4 sucks, bolt is good for the money but a bit down market, as is the leaf, not feeling the mach-E. there are so few options in the US in the $40-50k price range.
Rubbish Chi na damp car
Anyone considering buying one of these cars should first consider China's atrocious human rights record.
It's a shame this channel thinks it morally appropriate to review them.
What are you really saying?