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Schizoid Personality Disorder - Emotions
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- čas přidán 10. 11. 2016
- I had a lot to say on this topic so I talk a little too fast and stumble over myself a couple times, but hopefully you can still understand what I'm trying to say! Lol.
I think it's just that schizoids process emotion through the intellect. They think "now I'm happy, "now I'm angry". Sometimes what you feel is very confusing because you try to understand the emotion and your are blocked, trying to understand it instead of expressing it. Like, when you get angry and you want to shout and tell someone off, you are so aware that you are going to express anger that you find it pointless and stupid and you just don't react at all, and that anger gives way to frustration, familiarity and indifference in a matter of seconds. I also think that often you can choose whether you can or want to feel something or not, like you can turn your emotions on and off like a switch. And then people get frustrated because of your particular way of reacting to, processing and expressing emotion, demanding a normal reaction, and that demand puts stress on the schizoid and he chooses either to fake some emotion or to flee and recluse. And I think other people's way of expressing and demanding emotion, illogical emotion without previous analysis and intellectualization turns out to be overwhelming to the schizoid.
He’s schizoid and ASPD
Man, you described the exact thing that I was trying explain since I was a first grader.
Yep. This exactly.
I have an emotion....ANGER. That is the only thing I can feel. Otherwise I am blank. For me, music IS my feelings. Songs express the feelings that I lack or if I have them, cannot feel.
Exactly man !!!
YES!!
Sadly ...
Yesss
Exactly that dude
I don't think I feel my emotions. I think I am analyzing my emotions.
For me, I process emotions through information. I can't feel. That switch doesn't exist.
Brian Jones I don't know why my husband has put up with me for 17 years. 🙁
As a schizoid, I can relate to the theory of musical attachment! I often find myself drawn to alternative rock of any kind like Joy Division, Bauhaus or Nine Inch Nails! Music is a source of comfort because I realize I will never have any social attachments!
Same
I can't take music. It's all about relationships, with which I can't identify. It's like watching a romantic comedy. I just can't identify with such a situation, as I've never had a relationship, experienced love, or anything like that.
I have emotions, but they're very muted, muffled. If I see a tragic story on the news I just think "Oh, that sucks, I guess", if something very positive happens I think "That's cool". I remember my mum and I were driving and someone pulled out in front of us suddenly, it was very dangerous and we could have gotten into an accident but I had no reaction. My mum screamed and asked repeatedly if I was okay and I just said "yeah, nothing happened right?". The only time I feel strongly is when I absorb other peoples emotions, like I listen to very emotional music and I feel those things. I listen to music almost constantly because it's the only time I feel human. I watch a lot of videos of people being happy because I can absorb their happiness for myself. Otherwise nothing really makes me feel much of anything. My parents divorced and I didn't care. My dad left and I never saw him again and I don't care. I'm not sad about it. It was so easy to let him go. I never missed him. It confused me for so long, why was I so empty? But now I know I'm Schizoid it all makes sense.
Can I ask you something? Do you like being that way? Do you suffer?
@@walkyria1 We are indifferent about it. Its just who we are and how we feel.
@@alex-cj9mb I divorced my husband and I have a feeling that he is an Schizoid. So, basically he doesn't care? Is that it? He is not suffering with the loss of his family?
@@walkyria1 he probably feels a little sad about it but hes not sobbing or getting angry about it. Schizoids can feel emotions to a limited degree on the inside but we cant express emotions on the outside
@@alex-cj9mb I see. I was watching some videos about schizoids, several videos, and I concluded the he is. His Therapist can't tell me, because it is unethical, but I lived with him for almost 20 years. It seems like he doesn't have feelings for his parents, his sisters, our daughter, I feel that he never loved me. That is so horrible. Since we divorced he doesn't feel any sadness or remorse...nothing affects his emotions! He doesn't feel like calling his own daughter to talk or to take her out.
I find I do have emotions but it's the negative ones I feel more intensely like anger hurt stress and anxiety. we have emotions but we don't know how to express them.
Well said dude. Schizoids do have emotion, but dont express them like others. Ill add that SPD tend to feel numb, especially when depressed. Are not easily excited or angers, just mild.
This stuff about music being a container for feeling states that schizoid people can't express themselves.. yeah, this is pretty spot on. This also reminds me of that thing the philosopher Slavoj Zizek says about sitcom laugh tracks, that when you come home from work tired at the end of the day and put one of these shows on, part of why it's a relief is because the TV laughs for you.
About what you're saying about negative emotions being predominant when they're present, or being overpowering as soon as they're present and you notice them: This perception is actually a feature of the schizoid pattern of thinking and emoting, it isn't an accurate picture of the world, which is actually far more complex. This is an example of the defense mechanism of splitting. The world, as soon as there is any negativity at all, becomes not just tinged with some grey, but is instead going from white to black, from all-good to all-bad. I'm not trying to be critical, it's really a struggle to figure this stuff out.
Consider Otto Kernberg's work on borderline personality organization (this isn't the same as BPD, for Kernberg schizoid and avoidant PDs (as well as BPD and NPD) have what he calls an "underlying borderline structure"). Kernberg is one of the leading experts in the study of borderline and narcissistic disorders, and probably the preeminent psychoanalyst in the USA over the last several decades. He identifies as one of the main problems in borderline disorders, an overabundance of hate, or of negative, persecutory feeling states experienced in early relationships with primary caregivers. Schizoid PD can be thought of as one way to defend against experiencing that overwhelming negative emotional state - it's too dangerous or scary to feel that way, so you repress all strong emotions (especially the negative, but also the positive) into the unconcious, and you're left with what appears from the outside to be blunt or flattened affect. So you seem cold, even though in fantasy, or in your head there are a lot of feelings and emotions happening. And this stuff that's happening 'in your head' can be conscious, like in daydreaming or in listening to music that you know you're listening to in order to get a feeling out that you can't express other ways. But it can also sometimes be entirely unconscious, meaning the person is wholly unaware of the inner emotional states that are driving their behaviour. So, maybe they like to listen to metal or screamo or whatever like you were saying in this video, but they don't really understand why they like that music, or what it's doing for them emotionally.
This video really relates to my own life, I also feel really deep connection to music, I cry sometimes for no reason when I listen to sad songs. Sometimes it's because of the piece was beautiful but sometimes it's because it feels cathartic.
I know I'm 6 years late to this party, but I found these videos after my own diagnosis, and really like them. I like the filter you used, too. Thanks for putting out this info, it's helpful.
Eh, it seems appropriate to me, considering that Veterans Day was last week.
From the studies i've read, many people agree that for Schizoids there is a split self between their emotions and their thinking. For some it's due to a response to the environment, for others some claim that it's been there since birth (i'm a little skeptical of this idea, because you probably were too young to even be aware of something like that). I know that for mine in particular I was very sensitive when I was younger, but I was also alone for a long portion of my life (neglectful parents who were also verbally abusive, never physical though), and very sheltered. Supposedly, the studies that have been done conclude that there's a huge well of anger that is repressed within many schizoids (their emotional self) because of how powerful it was, and the fact that it was not able to be expressed for whatever the reason. In my case I resonate with that a lot, because I remember having huge bouts of anger that I could not express without fear of dire consequences, and somewhere down the line as the years went by and things got harder, my emotional self disappeared and only remained in the music I listened to. Keep in mind though, I don't have any recollection of having a sense of wholeness (self) to begin with (I assume due to neglect and lack of a social life outside of school), even if I had a high sensitivity.
And on top of that I got bullied later on (after making the decision to finally be "myself", which I continued to promise to myself so that my persona would no longer be hit with labels like "weird" or something demeaning, however the only idea I had of "myself" was being quiet and acting what I felt was "normal", through being detached and presenting my actual personality, which was that nullness that you described.) Though for some reason this made me an easy target for bullies, because presenting this also brought about anxieties and vulnerability that I shouldn't be exposing to dangerous people (my sensitivity and lack of security from parents left me with low ego boundaries, so I could be very easily hurt). As the bullying continued I began to exhibit the Black-and-White thinking that most personality disorders present, becoming a full misanthrope, but at the same time wanting to find loving people. However, what distinguished my particular case from a person that gave into their emotions, was that I took my mind and emotions into researching them on the internet. This seems to be a distinguishable difference for a lot of people because they usually struggle within their heads, however, I wanted to receive confirmation of my experiences and see what perceptions existed out there of those who may have suffered through the same thing.
Keep in mind I started my in depth researching in 7th grade, so I was very young, and most children my age weren't really doing that, with the closest thing being expressing themselves through social media or through a private forums (which I didn't really do often). And I see that this researching I do is a defense mechanism, it's never necessarily ended, because i'm truly seeking answers. This defense mechanism dramatically increased my understanding of things, but even now I can see that it is obsessive-compulsive in a way, even though it doesn't fit the criteria for OCD, because i've been researching different interests for years, to the point that it drowns out a lot of the things that I used to do, because I prioritize this first. I have always lived like a hermit, as it's just how I grew up, and I don't really experience loneliness unless it's triggered by something (music or a representation of my fantasy in a tv show/if i identify with a character). I'd say i'm pretty decently trained at socializing, and have a pretty wide social life, but my mask has always remained on, as there is nobody in the world that i've talked to personally that I feel I can fully trust yet. They all present some form of danger to me (and i'm not speaking irrationally when i say that, as i've experimented with people, and gave them little tastes of who I really am, but none of those people in my life so far really understand or possibly cares enough to go that far in depth.) I'm just in constant cognitive thinking mode...I conjure false emotions, but at the same time, my ego boundaries are still damaged so it's still very easy to hurt me. And on top of that I am aware that I have depression, which even that is repressed. I can't feel it but I know that it's there, because of all the thoughts and self-hatred I identify with, on a cognitive level I understand it, but on an affective level, I can't feel it. From what I read as well, it seems that there is also an automatic unconscious defense that schizoids have when they see that they feel that they cannot completely trust you (in which your brain literally prevents you from being able to express your emotions to people, even to those that you don't mind sharing it with). This one can kinda be debatable because most of the time I have a difficulty feeling emotions, even when I have an interest and a desire to "feel". I know the spectrum is different for others so i don't know how many of them i'm speaking for.
So it's interesting...if you managed to read this whole thing lemme know what you think :)
It gave me a bit of a headache, but I made it through the whole thing lol. I actually agree that more often then not being this way is a reaction, something that was developed as opposed to something your born with. There may be certain aspects that you were born with, but I feel for the most part it's something that is developed. Like in your case, there are a lot of similarities with your story and mine and a lot of what you said I can personally relate to.
Stuff and Stuff Thanks for the acknowledgement! :D Yeah sorry I was hoping to keep it short but i didn't want to leave too much out haha. It's interesting though, I always had the idea that there were very few people similar to me out in the world, and now I can kinda see why. It seems the "alien" archetype that i used to have for myself wasn't very far off after all.
GokuCloneXI resonate with your story SO MUCH, it's actually quite unbelievable. Do you find that your depression manifests itself into different things because you can't process the emotions?
Jasmine Wilder Personally I think it does. Most of my activities and interests happen to be in things that I either identify with (most of the time depression haha), or have a platform to display this depression somehow (usually music, drawing, reading self-help stuff, online research, etc.) It all seems to be an unconscious form of trying to help myself/express my repressed inner emotional self. One thing that stands out to me is that even though a lot of the people I associate with also have a pretty bad depression cycle, they don't really involve mellow/depressing interests into their life, that seems to just be me exclusively. They watch TV shows that make them laugh, listen to music in which they can just bump to without having in-depth/emotional lyrics, etc.
GokuCloneX Yeah, I understand what you mean. It can be quite awful for me sometimes, I've come to realize that not being able to be in university as much as I'd like takes my childhood outlet/crutch away ( I'd put all focus unto my learning and always was above average in school) which sends me into an even more emotionless state of being unfulfilled then into anorexia now that I don't have an outlet. (also never got any interaction at home and it was always hectic and draining with my sister's problems so I have always been a "hermit" at school and in my room at home) I normally research on interesting topics all day, so I figured I'd try to understand myself as well. Sorry for the essay
So true and so misunderstood even by therapists.
Whoa...Okay I am someone who never yells or has ever shown any sort of anger or aggression but since I was a kid I've loved heavy metal and that's the kind of music I connect to the most. I'm really glad you put that point in your video about music because I feel I can channel part of my inner self just listening to certain songs; a part of myself that I have never been able to express externally.
Mikaela Miller I like alternate more than straight up ugly yelling . Linkin park always stood out to me, what about you?
stunner gunz Same for me, i do have some metal in my music though.
Brian Jones I am 21. During a few years in high school I listened to more rap because that's what I was mostly surrounded with. But metal and prog rock are what I always listen to now!
Mikaela Miller I cant understand the concept of how or why schizoids have a taste for music involving men screaming their lungs out, for me it makes me uncomfortable. I can relate to linking park more than anything else or something like 3 days grace, because theyre reasonably loud.
stunner gunz That's generally my style of rock lol mainly alternative. If the screaming conveys the emotion well with the music composition and isn't just sounding like ...well..screaming, then I can appreciate it more. In a way I feel it expresses extreme emotion that I can't outwardly present (at least that's the feeling that the music triggers).
Trance is always give me emotions I’m a 16 years old and I think I live in the 2000’s I wish I can live with everyone and have fun with the new kind of genre
I listened to your other post on Schizoid Personality Disorder and I want to thank you. I'm a psychotherapist who works with clients with this experience, some are diagnosed, some are not. Your post really helped me to help a particular client today, I felt I understood him and his experience better and I hope that made a difference.
I believe I am somewhere on the schizoid spectrum after watching yours and others videos on youtube, and after reading a lot about schizoid over the past 24 hours. There is also some overlap with what I've read about paranoid personality disorder though. Anyway I just want to say it means a lot that you are sharing this stuff because I never really come across people who are like me ( probably because we are all just in our rooms at home all the time haha). It feels good to hear someone talk about it, thats all. My personality doesn't cause issues for me, just for people who want to hang out with me. I'm excited to have found this framework for explaining to others why I am the way I am.
Awesome! It's always better to understand why you don't wanna be around someone(:
Yes. Sounds very familiar. I just want to be left alone.
So emotions are what motivates us to do things. But having little "acess" to our emotions is what makes most of us schizoid having very low motivation to do things... right? Like, when people call you to go to a party and you can't feel any excitement with the idea and you just stay home.
Also, some schizoids (including me) also have some hard times with anxiety, it's like it's only emotion we can truly feel and that influence our behaviors, while other emotions that even if we feel, they don't come out and they don't change the way we do things. Do you have some issues with anxiety?
I think it's a good point about using music to understand emotions. I've found that watching other people reacting to experiences can guide my own emotions as an SPD. For instance my grandfather died about 8 years ago, and even though we were pretty close I didn't feel anything at all. It wasn't until at the funeral when I saw my brother in tears that it finally hit me. I've had several of these experiences that I've kinda named emotions-by-proxy, in situations where I should be feeling something but I don't until I see someone close to me react and suddenly I react like them. Someone also described it as that I won't have sympathy with people, but I can have empathy. I'm about to turn 30 and after a period of breakdowns and therapy when I was younger I think in the later years I'm beginning to get a somewhat better understanding of my emotions.
just getting into your videos, really glad you put your thoughts out there. personally gives me some comfort to see someone describe my own symptoms and phenomenology so well. you can't really talk about these things with anyone. in my experience its completely taboo; how do you tell someone you care but at the same time you hardly feel anything? how do you tell your family that you're not depressed, you're not crazy, but that you just don't feel like anything really has any meaning? my entire life i've been told i'm just lazy, i just feel sorry for myself, etc. i don't know that i've ever really told anyone what i'm actually thinking. that everything seems like an abstraction, that i'm constantly rationalizing my own experience and trying to categorize everything, that my brain just won't let me connect to the world like everyone else's does. anyway thanks again man.
The issue isn't lack of emotions, it's lack of attachment. Schizoids don't attach to people, places, or things. Heck, you guys don't even attach to your own desires. You fantasize about having a desire for something! I knew a schizoid man for many years. He would talk about a fleeting fantasy as if it was something he truly deeply longed for, and yet every time an opportunity would arise to fulfill any of those stated desires, thelonging would evaporate completely. People often mistake these people for liars for that reason, but you aren't liars. You just can't commit or attach to even yourselves. That's why I call Scizoid Personality Disorder, the Walter Mitty complex. You want the experience of the fantasy, not the experience of the reality.
Double Dragon I‘m schizoid duo to your definition...
Did you ever feel the need to explain what's going on in your head but never knowing how to do it properly? I've been seeing a psychologist for two years and every appointment feels pointless. When I'm alone I'm obsessively fantasizing a conversation with a psychologist in which every thought in my head gets converted to speech instantly. However when I'm actually there my mind is just blank and I have to pretend to fit in the diagnoses they've established for me. Even writing this is taking forever because I just can't find the words to describe this underlying defect that I know there is, and it's so frustrating and unfulfilling that I can only conclude that there's no point to it: I don't have a personality and every attempt at finding one will therefore fail. Even when I think I finally know who or what I am it never lasts. The next day I can't even remember what it was that made me feel content. It's like there's a black hole in me which sucks every developmental step back up. A never ending loop of dissatisfaction.
And I constantly contradict myself, I can't help it. How could I even write that comment if nothing is there? This thought pattern erases every step I take at settling on anything related to my personality.
I also can't form opinions because of that. It's like there are two people in my head who are both right but keep on arguing, never coming to a conclusion or agreement.
I relate to 100% of what you said.
idk idk This world was not made for us. The only options we have is to live our life as actors or as outsiders. Through the internet we can connect to the few like us, but outside we are all strangers.
@@Jerrongamereviewseems like you're an intp like me.
Thank you, this is so important🌹
Seems similar to my life. Most things I feel emotionally are attached to music and one singular person, and otherwise I just act like I feel stuff. And it's hard to explain how I feel to someone, especially my parents.
Probably overreacting though.
Well in reality there are a LOT of things that are hard to explain. Most things in life are. I can definitely understand what you mean about the parents. Usually the ones closes are the hardest to explain these things to.
Lol hilarious! I chuckle in desperation, I mean, it’s not funny that I chuckle about not having emotions, yeah, I got schitzoid issues too, your video is good by the way, I like it. About emotions, I try and get the ball rolling daily listening to genres of music, chakra stimulating like Bjork, then get impatient cause it doesn’t work so I go listen to Carcass’ Emotional Flatline, Obituary I Don’t Care it Gorguts Considered Dead
As someone diagnosed with aspergers i am still very confused as i don't feel like i have aspergers most of the time but i relate to schizoid experiences and fit most of the criteria way too much for it to be coincidental and i relate to schizoids way more in the emotions and all the core schizoid things. I am only 19 years old so maybe it will become more clear because if i am schizoid then i am quite the exception for one and i am already am an exception in my mind in the autism community...
Maybe if i found my aspergers diagnosis summary report that would help me but right now i feel like i am going in circles but i got a nice place to chat with other schizoids whether or not i have it so yea good overall i guess but sometimes that finding out about spd wasn't worth it as it is just adding confusion to my already confusing journey to understand myself.
What also doesn't help me in this, is that the diagnosing group couldn't rule out high functioning autism and left it at that at least from what my mum said because all she said from what i remember was i apparently have aspergers but then i think she said that besides that was written HFA which was odd if that is case but again i am not 100% sure. I could easily find out probably but while my relationship to my mother is a big exception to a normal schzoid like person's mother son relationship i don't think waking her up to find where she put my diagnosis report would be a greatest move especially since it is 3:26am and i need to go bed like now seriously.
Side note:I hope those insisting that people with aspergers can't have numb emotions like a schzoid think about the fact that schizoid's effects get worse as you age aka develop so why couldn't i (or anyone other person with aspergers and late developing emotions) in my development stage develop numb emotions or only certain emotions (though personally i usually only feel strong negative emotions in the majority of my life i have lived).
We both have the ability to affect a professional diagnosis through our learnt experience or even feelings or emotions we don't even know are fake. The lines separating these two things can be far apart for some but for others including me in my opinion the line is very very close. Also why does being called autistic offend some of you guys in the comments?
I can think of worse things quite easily, being called a psychopath or maybe even being called a sociopath.
Both of these are not evil or "bad" by default but both have negative stigmas just like autism has but don't let it define your view of them :P If you feel offended by being called autistic then you feel offended when interacting with the majority of the world for in the common eyes things like schizoid traits are by default judged as either depressed traits or autistic traits or heck maybe even AvPD Traits..
With my ASD I notice that I really enjoying electronic music and Rap Music and Rap Instrumentals and I can follow a beat perfectly and I have the gift to sample and Remix other people's music and I also have the gift to make my own beats so that's one thing that's similar to my disorder and yours
It’s not like schitzoids wallow in sadness, we strive to have emotions, to truly care, though what’s inside the emptiness is enriched poetry, like avoidance disorder person who suffered and makes high expressions
Do you ever find when you want to avoid feelings you avoid music?
My guess is no based off my own experience. I find pleasure in experiencing/connecting with my emotions through music. I feel "numb" in some sense if I don't and find relief from numbness with music.
Yes. Or if i want to be emotional the only way i will be able to cry is by listeningto sad music. But even then i have to be already in a bad mood for it to make me cry
The guy I was seeing for 9 months couldn't keep up the relationship indefinitely. Thought he wanted to see other people and then found out he's staying home alone. I get youtube music videos all hours of the night. He's up partying by himself listening to music.Substance abuse is part of his world. Also his whole social life is Grateful Dead and Phish. He's 53 but this is still his world. Other music too. But those two are his identity. Also extremely tethered to his parents although he does have his own house.
Do you ever just feel very confused? Like you don't know who you really are you just kind of dissociate from yourself and the world? I'm pretty sure I'm schizoid and I feel that way all the time.
I'm not sure I would say I get confused. I'm pretty confident in who I am and I know exactly where I lie in the spectrum of things. Unless you're referring to my natural personality, in which case I don't really know, because I don't really have one. There are times when I dissociate myself from everything, but I don't think it's in the same way that you're talking about.
I'm just figuring out who I am, reading about schizoid and things. Until some time ago I was confusing myself with my masks which I used (and sometimes I still use) for a really long time. Sometimes I was the serious and tough guy, other times the nice guy... But all of these masks are empty, they're not what I really am because I don't feel the emotions I pretend I'm feeling (like smiling to people to make they think I'm happy around them).
I simply have no ground because I don't know what is good or bad for me, I just know what SHOULD be good or bad for me, maybe because my parents and environment were always trying to change me to fit in the patterns and norms. Knowing who we are seems to be an important step to build personal boundaries and some kind of self respect.
idk yep
Ill add that some SPD people like myself are drawn to positive music. Im not a negative schizoid. Also i like to write songs. I have SPD w/ derealization. It has help me a lot in song writing. derealization makes my perception seem very reminiscent, to the point it can feel like a flashback to my childhood. Or my perception cant get so strange , it feels like im feeling someone elses emotional-perception. Music is what feeling sounds like. Having derealization gives me song writing ideas
Have you ever listened to Voivod’s Obsolete Beings? It’s a song that usually gets me in the zone to release emotions and gumption
question have you ever told anyone? what your thought about it
also why the weird Colors is it anonyms thing? it just odd a bit
the way i explain it to people is that emotion is like a language i didn't learn how to speak. growing up with emotionally neglectful parents makes emoting useless, you emote to communicate with others, this is also why schizoids get over anger really quickly or very little bothers them for long. so yeah, we feel emotions, we just don't act them out, much in the same way i wouldn't be able to do much of anything in a foreign country where no one speaks english
do you have a hard time on the receiving end of emotions, such as it being difficult to feel love from someone unless it's an overwhelming amount?
+Jasmine Wilder Yes. That was one of the biggest reasons I knew I was different. None of my relationships ever really meant anything special to me. They always felt like more of a responsibility than something I wanted.
@@StuffandStuff Thank you for this reply and all your videos. It has been a while since you posted on this channel and commented but just letting you know is helping me to understand someone I was in a relationship with and I know think is schizoid.
Regarding your reply above, if I might ask.... if relationships felt more of a responsibility, why would you get in the relationship in the fist place?
This is something I still don't understand from my ex. I feel like he initiated the relationship to then detach completely, reject me, give me any reason to make me feel unloved... is kind of contradictory to be honest.
I must admit it hurt (and still hurts). I loved him a lot.
I took a psych course in uni and the big take away for me was that emortions aren’t real, they’re just energy that our body is giving us based on environmental info. Imagine a startled cat with its back arched. It is simultaneously preparing to fight or flee.
The physical symptoms of many emotions are often very similar and you choose the label
energy is very real too, why do you think emotions aren't real because they are energy?
People develop physical health issues due to unprocessed emotions, so it's very real....
Do you think there are a lot of ties between schizoid and aspergers? Because I was watching this vid of someone with aspergers and she said all of the same things, even about music.
I feel that there are a lot of similarities. I think a big difference is that Asperger's is more biological than being Schizoid, as you can test for autism. There are a LOT of similarities, but most of the time a Schizoid will be completely and fully functional to the point where they might go their whole lives without anybody or even themselves noticing anything wrong. Someone with Asperger's more often then not won't be so lucky. But I do think that they are very similar.
idk no, aspergers is quite different. it's a developmental disorder , and people with aspergers/ autism can still feel emotions, but their delivery is blackened. schizoid is a personality disorder/ psychological disorder caused by bad parenting or hereditary transfer. If someone calls me autistic, I'd gladly punch them in the face
Brian Jones many schizoids live their life content with the way they are. they realize they're different, but we can't do anything about it. I recognized I was schizoid around 17 and even though it bothers me that I'm detached, I'm not in function with others in means of enjoying and experiencing life like its supposed to be, I really don't see how its gonna hurt my life at a survival level. SPD is caused because of intense experiences in ones younger life, such as being too attached and unable to cope with all the mental stimuli coming into a persons life that he/she simply disengage and flush the emotions down the drain. think of it like being unable to fly a plane because of all the tasks required to carry out in order to fly the plane safely that you just engage auto pilot. right now our minds are on auto pilot. we are only doing as much we need to merely survive we don't have a need for emotions or social connection unless our survival requires it. at a personal level we might think it sucks, but our brains are actually doing is a favor to avoid becoming attached and pulling ourselves into the dangerous physical world that requires us to function as humans and not sloths
Brian Jones bit you realize the cause for it right? the Snowdonia, depression and apathy all come from an external ssource they're not happening for no reason, but because of very specific reasons. it feels like life is taunting us and playing games with us making us feel jealous about them and why they get to enjoy and be social and have all the fun when we can't because were hurt and shattered. it makes us feel like they're so much better than us because they have all the grace and blessings in their lives and were here living shitty ones.
Brian Jones my expectations are very high too but they never become a reality. I want to be a great person that has all these facilities and interacting with them daily. I want to have a beautiful girlfriend/wife, but I know that I'm not going to get a vogue model girl, maybe a just another schizoid or whack girl like me is who I'm marrying. lol. I want to show people that I'm knowledgeable and experienced in living life and I know how to do things to my fullest. but how? I'm stuck in this vortex that results in me contemplating my life every second... I can't think about the future or what I need to do or having the emotions to be fulfilling the sanctions of life. what good is it if you have neither the emotions or love to interact with others in an enjoyable way or the motivation/determination to fulfill your own desires and duties? its true that we are keep try astray from the drama and sadness in life but I'd much rather have happiness and fulfillment along with drama and sadness than be nothing.
when people, especially girls don't text me back I get delusional and angry. and when they do text back saying the reason they were unable to then it makes me happy and relieved. I don't know if anyone else feels this way
stunner gunz That's normal. This is the frustration from being rejected, and the happyness from appearently being accepted. If you want a tip, don't trust too much on these girls who disappear frequently and come back with an excuse. They're probably datint other guys and keeping you as the "secondary" that she'll text if things don't go well with these other dudes.
Self respect and having boundaries is importat, even more for us schizoids, because people may think that they can do whatever they want with us, because we don't tend to express agressivity. That's the reason many of us were bullied in some period of our life.
Vassago Raziel yeah. I've always had that problem. I try to show fake aggressiveness now to make me seem normal. in the past I did get angry but if always take it out on inanimate objects. I've been in some fights and lost, some of them I won because the opposite was really getting on my nerves. as for girls, I'm not talking about a romantic relationship. I'm just saying a girl in general. The one in specific DOES think I like her, but truth is she's just a friend
That happened to me with a Schizoid guy.... he was the one who didn't text back, even disappeard for months and got upset that I was triggered by it...
normal to be upset about that...
if it only happens to you with girls and a lot of anger connected to it maybe there is abandonment fear you have due to your what happened in your childhood with you mother? any moments were abandonment got triggered, we don't need to consciously remember for our subconsciousness/body to remember....
Yeah, everyone has emotions. Those who they who haven't either are not very introspective, they have no idea what an emotion is and thus fail to label it that or have a disconnected conscious from them
You just described SPD. I think thats the point XD
@@StuffandStuff oh, now that you're saying it.. That makes sense xd. Same goes for those with alexithymia btw
I have that musical attachment too.
Do you struggle with reading emotions in others? And did your diagnosis ever get confused with aspergers?
My mom originally thought I had Asperger's before we found out it was actually Schizoid. Also, I'm terrible at reading people and they're even worse at reading me because I don't express emotion on my face or in my voice most of the time.
I hope they are still together
Yes . Anger ; and its fading in a few seconds right after the disturbing situation i was in .. I remember when i got angry and i screamed ,then I realised that was really silly and that was not the expression i actually wanted to make .(my voice went like 🥶)
And the music.. its Metal for me
I just play a song when i want to understand my emotions
And I doubt being schizoid no matter how sure i am
So maybe i must get diagnosed but i like the therapist in my mind way more than a real person
Do you feel any different towards animals? I've never been officially diagnosed as a schizoid, but I do exhibit schizoid traits and to my surprise I actually like being around animals.
Clayton Hilliard I actually feel closer to animals because they don't have to talk much to relay the information they need to, also I feel most people have a vast amount ov different emotions which just confuse me
I have SPD genetically from my mother whom was schizophrenic. I suppose because I was the second child.
Tomi Terror I think there's more to sod than just genetics. its the predisposition to it as well as harsh childhood and early life structure that causes spd. my mother was schizophrenic as well and commonly since 2006 has been admitted to the hospital for treatment. it was the trauma of her being a nuisance to our family and our my struggling with her issues that's made me who I am today.
I always prefer to be around animals rather than humans because it's very therapeutic. I was dog sitting overnight when someone came pounding on the door in the middle of the night and wouldn't stop for about ten minutes. Being the Schizoid that I am, I've never felt comfortable answering the door. But because he wouldn't stop and because poor Molly wouldn't stop barking, I started having a panic attack. When he finally went away and Molly calmed down, I felt so glad that she was there. I think she eventually made whoever it was go away. I feel safer around animals than humans. I can actually let my guard down and relax because animals don't judge... except most cats I've met. They're always judging humans.
Any schizoids on here who have been called autistic by their environment (before diagnosis)? How did you know it was SPD instead of ASD?
Schizoid personality disorder and Asperger/Autism sprectrum disorders are oftenly switched and hard to figure out if you are one or the other. Asperger is a development disorder, SPD is a mental/personality disorder. Asperger/autism is influenced by genetics and a child is born this way, someone with SPD developed it due to environmental and internal experiences and circumstances. I suspected to lie on the autism sprectrum before I was diagnised with the latter though.
Crimson hmm interesting. How do they differ in symptoms then?
Firstly the symptoms of Asperger begin as a child and in infacy, SPD usually in early adulthood.
Secondly schizoid people generally have a limited range of emotions, this includes joy, pleasure, also anger and while people with Asperger have impairments in non-verbal communication. As said before people on the autism sprectrum are born with it while schizoid people tend to develope the symptoms through e.g. cold parents, neglectful environment etc, just two out of many possible explanations and examples.
What makes both disorders so hard to differentiate in how the symptoms express themselves, mainly through social interaction and impairment in communication. While schizoid people don't see any joy and pleasure in social interaction and display general indfference to other people's praise or criticism, they experience very flat emotions and very less, this expresses itself in failure in developing (many) meaningful relationships, they show a lack of interest in other people, a lack of social and emotional reciprocity, less if any close friends and appear very cold and emotionally detached. They prefer solitarily exercises and work and you can say they are "overly introverted", schizoid people usually have a very big fantasy world, they "substitute" human interaction with fantasies and their own world. Also they have overt and covert traits, but if you want to read about that, I suggest Salman Akhtar. This is how and why schizoid people show these symptoms, that overlay with those of people with Asperger. Asperger people tend to show these symptoms as well, but they are impaired due to neurological differences from the beginning. They have big issues with reading non-verbal communication to begin with and therefore display the lack of reciprocity, which can lead to them unable to form healthy meaningful relationships easily. Since they have autistic behaviour they also have repetitive, restricted patterns of behaviour like hyperfocus on one interest, the need of strict routines, persistent focus on details on/or a specific object etc. They also tend to stimulate sensory (commonly called stimming) like rocking back or forth, flapping hands, touching soft objects, it differs from each individual. Asperger people can well be extraverted but their inability to read and understand people makes it different for them, usually they also have heightened senses which makes them avoid noises and therefore also people.
TL;DR, schizoid people don't have any/much interest in people, they have limited emotions and they are more or less very isolated, Asperger people can't intuitively read people which makes it very hard for them to bond with people, additionally they have the typical autistic traits when it's about tics, stereotypical, unflexible and repetitive behavious. Both also show attention deficit symptoms to an extend, but you can see that from the symptoms I listed.
Sorry it got so long, there's still more but this is a lot already lol.
Crimson I have an appointment with a psychologist in a few weeks. I hope she's adequate enough to recognize the differences. I've heard there's a lot of confusion about SPD.
Well I'd ask her about it directly and hear it directly from her, I'm not a professional so it's always good to hear from someone who studied and has a degree. Good luck to you.
You just spoke my language......eye twitch
I’m confused. I thought one of the criteria for schizoid personality disorder was no interest in a sexual relationship.
Not necessarily, it's just easier to SAY that to someone else. There's definitely the instinctive "drive" there's just no will to act on it. I wouldn't necessarily say there's no interest, because if I had to wager, I'd say most people with schizoid watch porn and other things just as much as anyone else. But everyone is different, I'm sure there's SOME people out there like that. I think that's what "asexual" means but I don't really know anything.
@@StuffandStuff Thank you for this discussion. I suspect my partner maybe schizoid or at least avoidant personality disorder. he’s a porn addict. He had been for most of his life. before he met me, he was alone for 30 years after his wife left him for another man. He seems to really enjoy his hand more than he does being with a woman. in your case, I know you had gotten married so there’s an interest in another person. can you explain further what you mean by there’s a drive just a little incentive to follow through with it? Again, thank you.
I am schizoid but i don't know how to get help.
CSHC Do you genuinely think you NEED help? Does being the way you are make your life hard? Or perhaps, do other people MAKE life hard because of the way you are? Simply put, do YOU want to change, or do OTHER PEOPLE want you to change?
If you genuinely believe you need help of our need to change yourself, the best first step would probably be to see a psychologist.
But from personal experience, I think being this way has benefited me much more than hindered me. For example, I can act completely logically for my benefit when emotion would typically get in the way.
I know this is a month or two late, but consider the above.
I want to change. I have no problem with the way i am but i can see that other people have. Therefor i want to change, because it makes me dislike myself.
CSHC In the end, that's your decision. However, remember you don't have to be what people want you to. People should accept us for who we are, otherwise we couldn't (in my opinion) call them good friends.
If you want, you could just fake it like the rest of us.
Your best option, I believe, would likely be to visit a psychologist/psychiatrist.
Good luck to you.
The problem is the job. Otherwise i wouldn't want to change actually
I get extremely angry at inanimate objects lol 😅
Can you do romance?
Depends. Everybody's interpretation of "romance" is different. But sometimes do things for my girlfriend that I know she'd like. But I don't get anything out of it, I do it because I know that's what most people like. I wouldn't do it naturally, and I wouldn't do it because EYE wanted to.
I want a video without the mask on. :)
With no mask there would be no video
Stuff and Stuff shyness ?
@@wecanlovelarevolutiondelam4806 I guess he wouldnt care enough to make one.