NEW 2020 Defender 110 Vs Discovery 4 - Side by Side Review & Comparison
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2020
- In this video we park our Land Rover Discovery 4 (LR4) side by side to our new 2020 Land Rover Defender 110 and review the differences and similarities between these two iconic Land Rover models.
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Discovery 4 was peak Land Rover, such a handsome well styled car.
Agreed
Honestly, Disco 4 and the 2012 RangeRover was the peak of Landrover design. And they shouldn’t have changed the Defender, with updated engines and interior, it could have competed with the G-wagon.
Whereas the Discovery 5 is tragic.
Yup, i love my disco 4 ;)
Should have used the D4 as the base for the new Defender to give a proper off-roader
This shows how much the New Defender is the real D4's successor ;-)
You have hit the nail on the head there..... at least the 110 version
How would the 90 compare, being shorter ? More like your Freelander 2, or just a more compact version of the Disco ?
Ian Beale Disco Sport??
@@nickw7041 Disco Sport was the natural successor to the F2, but ended up being put in to the Discovery family. Before the name Discovery Sport, it was touted as the Freelander 3. Especially amongst Freelander 2 owners.
As for a comparison with the new Defender 90, I was thinking more Freelander 2 in terms of boxy shape , whereas the DS is more curved .
I've owned over 30 different Land Rovers and currently own a Freelander 2. Before the unveiling of New Defender, there were some leaked pics doing the rounds on the F2 forums and I must say, it did seem to resemble the F2 in terms of shape.
Although the 110 when compared to the D4 looks comparable in size, I can still see it also has a resemblance to the Freelander 2 in 90 guise. But maybe that's just me .
It’s nothing like the D4
Great comparison! Thanks for doing this.
I had been waiting for the new defender to replace my LR4 but the only thing that seems to be better than LR4 is the infotainment system. I'll just hang on to my LR4.
After owning an LR4 for ten years straight (2010 LR4 and 2016 LR4) Land Rover could not come up with something that would is decidedly better than LR4. I think LR4 is an underappreciated iconic vehicle that was far ahead of its time.
Jawad Malik yep. Agree 100%. I have 2 D4. Great ergos. Great engine. Great tranny. Especially the 8 Spd. Just love it.
Seems to me the Defender has a longer bonnet. I guess for the straight six engines which came later ... infotainment wise, there are now kits to add Car/Air play to the D4 ... even add rear camera if one's D4 didn't have it. One still keeps the original GPS window too. While the central screen is not large, it still works very well. Cheaper than buying a new Defender, where unless you get the 3 litre diesel, the D4 stands up very well. Plus its chassis gives it longevity if one tows.
I love my 2011 LR4 HSE ( bought new) now with 116000 miles. No significant problems. I’m keeping it.
Always said the new "Defender" is a Discovery 4.5. And the new "Discovery (5)" is just a 7 seater Range Rover!
I think the LR3/4 (Disco 3/4) was supposed to be the Defender. Pretty clear.
yes, 7 seater RRS, well spotted.
Nope
@@jerrymyahzcat Looks almost identical on external body profile, have you seen one in the flesh, I have when I took one for a test drive and showed it to a friend of mine with a Discovery 4, and he said the same, "a new Disco"? Test drive revealed some rattles and squeaks and strange throttle response, not good. waiting to see 90" commercial version.
Yep.
Thanks a lot Sir, I was waiting this ever since Defender 2020 was announced. I love the Discovery 4, it is my love of my life! Defender is currently the best Land Rover on offer, still Discovery 4 is the most beautiful, perfect Land Rover ever, the 5th Generation Disco is a complete disaster, it isn’t a Discovery. Thank you so much once again for bringing it, loads of love from 🇮🇳. I wish I own one Discovery 4 some day soon.
I thought I wanted a new Defender. Turns out I want a used Disco instead 😆
Agree!
Exactly my thought
@Ian Harding good luck with the disco 4. both of mine have blown their engines at below 100kms! I'll be upgrading to the new Def in the hope of improved reliability. I have a D5 as well and it's far, far superior to the D4 in every way! No baby carriage just a good reliable, was reluctant to update, but now so glad I did. There's no comparison between 4 and 5
Brent Currie
I’ll agree that there’s no comparison between a ‘4 and a ‘5. The ‘4 was a much better car and sadly, the ‘5 killed any prospect of be ever buying another.
I have D3, 2007 SE model, just keeps going with the odd small issue, get one , buy a few updates and accessories from powerful uk and you have a great car
This is such a great review! I was tossing and turning over placing an order on the new defender. For us, a family of 5, space is a major player in our decision and no other video showed the differences. We only just launched the defender here in Australia these past few weeks and while I love it, I still on the fence coming from an enthusiast LR family. So thank you for such an awesome detailed review. (130 isn’t cutting it for 2 babies in seats and a 10 year old anymore)
I thought the same when I first saw the new Defender, it's a replica D4...... Good to see they brought back some of that styling, but personally I prefer the D4....
Excellent vid. Love the side by side comparo. I’ve been saying the following on the Defender vids for months now:
So here’s my take on the Defender- it’s not a Defender at all, it’s a relaunch of the Discovery. Here’s my reasoning:
1. The Disco was launched as a near luxury offroad vehicle, slotted to fit between the purely rugged but lack of creature comfort Defender and the superbly apportioned but extremely pricey Range Rover. A true allrounder, something you take the kids to school with, go shopping with, tow your boat with, go for a road trip in comfort with, or go offroading with. Look at the market segment the new Defender occupies- it is that same segment. While there may no longer be a rugged and spartan vehicle in the LR family on market segment on the one side of it, the market segment it is now in is the same as that occupied by the Disco 1 and really all Discos (and LR3 and LR4) here in the States.
2. Let’s look at the underpinnings of the vehicle- namely the suspension and four wheel drive system. First, the suspension. It is the same air suspension that LR has been using in the Disco 3 and 4 now for like 15 years. While initially the Disco 3s had some issues with them, I have not heard of substantial issues with the units in the Disco 4s. All air sus is not created equal, and the reason Discos are not harsh is because they don’t use all of their extension in their offroad settings- there is more to be accessed should you get high centered and also to allow for articulation. It is also why you can lift them another 2 inches to fit 33s on 18 in wheels using Johnson Rods- even though you are taking up 2 more inches of travel, there is still plenty to spare to allow for articulation. Also, the air sus in the Discos works just like the new Defender in that when one wheel rises it send extra air to the other wheel to push it down. It is a very good system that works well offroad- as good as a solid axle- no, but plenty good for what 90% of people are going to be doing offroad. Second, the four wheel drive system. Again it is the same terrain response that has been used since in the Disco 3 and 4s. It is a phenomenal system- imo the best out there of any of the systems that aren’t just traditional front, rear and center lockers. Ford basically uses it in it’s vehicles (insert Raptor here), as they took it with them after selling off JLR. It has high and low range with a very good low crawl ratio. The terrain response adjusts throttle tip in, steering wheel sensitivity, and height, as well delivering power to the wheels in a capacity designed for the certain types of terrain. The Disco 3 and 4s also had the optional locking rear and center diffs called the Heavy Duty (HD) package, just like the new Defender.
3. Cameras, cameras and more cameras- yup, you guessed it, just like the Disco 4.
4. Towing and cargo capacity- Disco 4- 7,716 lbs. New Defender- 7,716 to 8,201 lbs.
5. So the basic underpinnings are an LR4. So now what does it take from the Disco 1 and 2? How about the swinging rear door with mounted spare tire. This wasn’t unique to the Defender, it was on the Disco 1 and 2 also. And the alpine windows- everyone is talking about how cool a desig touch from the old Defender they are- well they were also in the Disco.
6. And what the new Defender fixed that was wrong with the LR4- first the wheels. At least now you get 18s on a new veh, although they are not available on the 6 cylinder gas engine- fix that JLR. Along with that comes proper offroad tires. I’ll personally probably upgrade to something with more tread, but at least I can use these until they wear out. Second is the mounting of the spare- it is now where it belongs for an offroader. Third, winch and it looks like rock rail sliders can be added at purchase. Thank you. Fourth, lots of tie down points in the way back. Surprisingly, my LR4 doesnt have many. As for the 4x4 system- the slow speed cruise control- whatever they’re calling it. Nice but I’m not gonna use it. With terrain select it also adjust throttle feel and input, so I’ll just feather it or mash it myself thank you very much. Configurable Terrain Response- could be pretty cool. There are many times I would like lock the rear diff but I can only do so by selecting rock or mud mode, which gives me all the other changes I don’t necessarily want or need at the moment. I assume I can set up one like that in the new Defender. Mirror/ camera seems cool, as on trips I often have the back floor to ceiling with stuff and can’t see out the back mirror. Obviously the invisible bonnet is really cool, especially for me, bc I do go out by myself sometimes and dont always have a spotter. Likewise the 360 degree camera- that’s some wizadry right there but very cool for same reason. Anything that makes seeing around your veh or where your tires are actually going is cool in my book.
So how good will this new Defender be? Well I think that depends on what one wants to with it. If you plan to go rock bashing and playing on black diamond gnarly trails in offroad parks, this isn’t the veh I would recommend. Then you want solid axles, coils springs, disconnecting sway bars, and traditional front and rear lockers (manual preferably bc I have seen plenty of electronic ones fail). If you plan to go overlanding or otherwise driving for several days out in remote stretches where there may be no help for days, then this is not the vehicle I would recommend. I would recommend something more mechanical so that, when it breaks, you can repair it on the spot. Oh, and bring spare parts. I love when people brag about the superiority of mechanical offroaders and then I run across them broken down on the trail and they can’t fix themselves bc they don’t have the parts or parts to improvise. But if you want an all around veh- one that will be good on road, especially on long road trips, one that can tow a 5000-7000 pound trailer, and one that can offroad on moderate trails (blues and some more mellow blacks, beaches, desert) and you are going out not too far from civilization- say days trips up to a long weekend or so, then the Defender will be a great vehicle for that. It is definitely a more well rounded vehicle than a solid front and rear axle veh, will tow more than most offroaders (so if that’s a necessary criteria it will exempt vehicles like the Jeep Wrangler from your options and probably put you in half ton truck territory), yet will still do what probably 95% of people do offroad with their dailies. So many rigs I see on the same trails I’m on doing the same features as me with my LR4 are overbuilt. I mean you don’t need 37s and solid axles to drive to your favorite surfing or surf fishing spot on the beach, or do any of the green and blue trails. And let’s face it- a lot of that is for the look, not the necessity. And if it makes people feel better, take the Defender name off the front and put on Land Rover and just tell yourself you got the new Disco, because in reality that’s what it is anyway.
Absolutely agree with you, nothing to add! 👍
Luckely a 90 version has coil springs
My guy thanks for taking the time to write this. This is the best description of the Defender I have seen so far. I was at the Launch in Frankfurt and It's about to be launched in Africa pretty soon. I am actually going to be one of the first people to drive it in my home country Kenya for a TV Show I am in and I'm looking forward to putting a lot of what you have said to the test on our trails. Once again than you for this.
Mwirigi thanks for taking time to read it- I can get wordy. Lol. There’s so much emotion wrapped up in Defender that a lot of people are not looking at the vehicle objectively. It will be a good offroader. Check out this guys vids. It will just go about it differently. And yes, it won’t be as easily repairable. But the world moves on. What’s your show called? Is it in English? if so I’ll try to find it and watch it. Sounds good.
Vrolijk yeah, I wish they offered that as an option for the 110. Im torn on air sus- on the one hand it is so nice for 97% of the time I use the veh. On the other, I always have this nagging fear that it will fail when Im out on trail.
I’m gonna say it... the new defender should be rebranded as the new disco and the grenadier should be the new defender! There I said it!
Why does everyone rave about the non existent Ineos... that is now going to be built in a Smart car factory in France....
@@L663 because people just like to hate. I look forward for my defender. It is being built now. I appreciate your videos and work you do.
powerfulukltd because unlike salty Sean about his new disco with a defender badge on it, people resonate with those traditional design cues, which in my opinion Land Rover missed in the new defender(and new disco if you can call it that) and that is why “everyone” is raving about a nonexistent truck built in a smart car factory in France... just take a look at the g-wagon professional and the 70 series Toyota, Land Rover should have done the same. They have moved Land Rover up market and their old loyal fans are missing their historic reputation. Jk with you Sean, hope you enjoy your new defender :)
That Grenadier is absolutely a progression of the Defender line
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Great analysis and comparison - much appreciated!
The Disco 4 had the best 7 seat arrangement in any SUV I've seen. The tumbling 2nd row coupled with the slightly raised height of the 3rd row was very ingenious. The legroom back there was amazing too. Obviously all this turned to a super spacious hall to sleep in once all rear seats are collapsed
The best setup by far I agree !
Best video on the new Defender that I have seen. Really liked the pallet test. Thank you great video
I own a 2011 high mileage Discovery 4 (LR4), with 7 seats and the 5.0 L Ford V8. I love the vehicle, have used it as a truck, a towing machine (no SUV is better) and a farm vehicle and it has worked really well at this. I am replacing it with the Defender 110 I have on order in off-road spec because I no longer need the 7 seats and the Defender corrects all the fundamental 4x4 gaps inherent in the LR4 design -- 19 inch wheels, no world-class wheel articulation, no off-road tires available, very tough to find the locking rear diff version; and the new camera and off-road computer logic are far better in the Defender.
As for the Discovery 5 -- the market place load placed on that vehicle has been very unfairly heavy -- it can't win simultaneously as the best of class, best of style, 7 seat on on the Mum school run AND be fully focused on off-road and farm. It now needs to drop the low-speed gearbox and compete with the Mum focused school and sports focused Volvos, BMWs, Mercedes, Acura, Lexus and Audi Q7. So good for it, going forward -- (and yes, I think it is really not for me, visually).
I’ve been waiting for this video, thanks so much for making this one. Hopefully the new defender has good headroom like the D4 did
Thanks so much for sharing your findings, I'm grateful you took the time to do this as we own a Disco 4 (which we adore), but seem drawn to the new Defender and we were considering buying one. To get to the point, the Defender wouldn't be large enough to carry our dogs so we're sticking with our mighty Disco. You've saved me a trip to a dealership with a tape measure or relying on those given by a salesperson during the naughty covid saga.
It should have been the new disco 5 as it’s clearly not a defender with all the delicate electronics. Love my disco 4 and I see nothing yet by LR to replace it.
I think the d4 is such a great all around car. The capacity is the best part I have built out a camping setup in the rear. Seems the defender would be too short for me to sleep in. I still think a defender 90 would be a great addition as my second car.
I was lookin forward to the new defender! Looks like my original idea of having a d4 instead will be on cards more then!! Just need upgrade entertainment system. Good vid, cheers!
Great Vid Simon, thanks for posting. I,ll be sticking with my D4 even with its foibles and SWB Shogun 3.2 Di that will not die ....!!!
awesome video! Thank you- I like the "defender" but give all that room in the rear I will keep looking for my LR3/4s until they are no longer around-
Best New Defender review I’ve seen! Excellent, well done !
Thanks ...i am not a motoring journalist but i do drive Land Rovers and happy to share my views
Thanks, fascinating comparison. I know that LR designed it to echo the previous defender, but I do think people would have let them away with a discovery style split tailgate to make it more usable. It was a flaw in the old defender the rear door design, for loading and still is today.
The whole video shows that its basically an exact replica of the disco. So yes.....they prob could have changed the door. 😂
Excellent video, how do you find the comfort of the seats? I notice that my P38 had more comfy seats than my L322. the Defender seats seem to be thinner?
Nice vid with the vehs next to each other for comparo. I’ve been saying this for months now. So here’s my take on the Defender- it’s not a Defender at all, it’s a relaunch of the Discovery. Here’s my reasoning:
1. The Disco was launched as a near luxury offroad vehicle, slotted to fit between the purely rugged but lack of creature comfort Defender and the superbly apportioned but extremely pricey Range Rover. A true allrounder, something you take the kids to school with, go shopping with, tow your boat with, go for a road trip in comfort with, or go offroading with. Look at the market segment the new Defender occupies- it is that same segment. While there may be no longer be a rugged and spartan vehicle in the LR family on market segment to the one side of it, but the market segment of the new Defender is the same as that occupied by the Disco 1 and really all Discos (and LR3 and LR4) here in the States.
2. Let’s look at the underpinnings of the vehicle- namely the suspension and four wheel drive system. First, the suspension. It is the same air suspension that LR has been using in the Disco 3 and 4 now for like 15 years. While initially the Disco 3s had some issues with them, I have not heard of substantial issues with the units in the Disco 4s. All air sus is not created equal, and the reason Discos are not harsh is because they don’t use all of their extension in their offroad settings- there is more to be accessed should you get high centered and also to allow for articulation. It is also why you can lift them another 2 inches to fit 33s on 18 in wheels using Johnson Rods- even though you are taking up 2 more inches of travel, there is still plenty to spare to allow for articulation. Also, the air sus in the Discos works just like the new Defender in that when one wheel rises it send extra air to the other wheel to push it down. It is a very good system that works well offroad- as good as a solid axle- no, but plenty good for what 90% of people are going to be doing offroad. Second, the four wheel drive system. Again it is the same terrain response that has been used since in the Disco 3 and 4s. It is a phenomenal system- imo the best out there of any of the systems that aren’t just traditional front, rear and center lockers. Ford basically uses it in it’s vehicles (insert Raptor here), as they took it with them after selling off JLR. It has high and low range with a very good low crawl ratio. The terrain response adjusts throttle tip in, steering wheel sensitivity, and height, as well delivering power to the wheels in a capacity designed for the certain types of terrain. The Disco 3 and 4s also had the optional locking rear and center diffs called the Heavy Duty (HD) package, just like the new Defender.
3. Cameras, cameras and more cameras- yup, you guessed it, just like the Disco 4.
4. Towing and cargo capacity- Disco 4- 7,716 lbs. New Defender- 7,716 to 8,201 lbs.
5. So the basic underpinnings are an LR4. So now what does it take from the Disco 1 and 2? How about the swinging rear door with mounted spare tire. This wasn’t unique to the Defender, it was on the Disco 1 and 2 also. And the alpine windows- everyone is talking about how cool a desig touch from the old Defender they are- well they were also in the Disco.
6. And what the new Defender fixed that was wrong with the LR4- first the wheels. At least now you get 18s on a new veh, although they are not available on the 6 cylinder gas engine- fix that JLR. Along with that comes proper offroad tires. I’ll personally probably upgrade to something with more tread, but at least I can use these until they wear out. Second is the mounting of the spare- it is now where it belongs for an offroader. Third, winch and it looks like rock rail sliders can be added at purchase. Thank you. Fourth, lots of tie down points in the way back. Surprisingly, my LR4 doesnt have many. As for the 4x4 system- the slow speed cruise control- whatever they’re calling it. Nice but I’m not gonna use it. With terrain select it also adjust throttle feel and input, so I’ll just feather it or mash it myself thank you very much. Configurable Terrain Response- could be pretty cool. There are many times I would like lock the rear diff but I can only do so by selecting rock or mud mode, which gives me all the other changes I don’t necessarily want or need at the moment. I assume I can set up one like that in the new Defender. Mirror/ camera seems cool, as on trips I often have the back floor to ceiling with stuff and can’t see out the back mirror. Obviously the invisible bonnet is really cool, especially for me, bc I do go out by myself sometimes and dont always have a spotter. Likewise the 360 degree camera- that’s some wizadry right there but very cool for same reason. Anything that makes seeing around your veh or where your tires are actually going is cool in my book.
So how good will this new Defender be? Well I think that depends on what one wants to with it. If you plan to go rock bashing and playing on black diamond gnarly trails in offroad parks, this isn’t the veh I would recommend. Then you want solid axles, coils springs, disconnecting sway bars, and traditional front and rear lockers (manual preferably bc I have seen plenty of electronic ones fail). If you plan to go overlanding or otherwise driving for several days out in remote stretches where there may be no help for days, then this is not the vehicle I would recommend. I would recommend something more mechanical so that, when it breaks, you can repair it on the spot. Oh, and bring spare parts. I love when people brag about the superiority of mechanical offroaders and then I run across them broken down on the trail and they can’t fix themselves bc they don’t have the parts or parts to improvise. But if you want an all around veh- one that will be good on road, especially on long road trips, one that can tow a 5000-7000 pound trailer, and one that can offroad on moderate trails (blues and some more mellow blacks, beaches, desert) and you are going out not too far from civilization- say days trips up to a long weekend or so, then the Defender will be a great vehicle for that. It is definitely a more well rounded vehicle than a solid front and rear axle veh, will tow more than most offroaders (so if that’s a necessary criteria it will exempt vehicles like the Jeep Wrangler from your options and probably put you in half ton truck territory), yet will still do what probably 95% of people do offroad with their dailies. So many rigs I see on the same trails I’m on doing the same features as me with my LR4 are overbuilt. I mean you don’t need 37s and solid axles to drive to your favorite surfing or surf fishing spot on the beach, or do any of the green and blue trails. And let’s face it- a lot of that is for the look, not the necessity. And if it makes people feel better, take the Defender name off the front and put on Land Rover and just tell yourself you got the new Disco, because in reality that’s what it is anyway.
Thank for the detailed review with many valid points. I was surprised how much "Discovery" DNA that the new Defender has in its blood !
powerfulukltd every LR4 owner I know was not buying the new Disco, some are back on board with the new Defender. I am a little worried about the smaller boot, as I need it to carry my mountain bike. I have heard rumor though of a 130, which would be awesome for me. I’m holding off purchasing for a bit til I see reliability of Defender, so maybe by time Im ready 130 will be out. Also interested on what happens with Rivian- especially real world testing of range. So I’ll still be in LR4 for a while, which I still love. 4 years old and 105K plus miles and it still drives like new.
Question- what is up with European (or maybe British?) fuel estimates? They are always way higher than US. I think you said 30 mpg for Disco/ LR4, which is not close to reality, which is like 17 mixed use. I was thinking bc they are in kpg, but they say mpg. Can you enlighten me?
@@dadventuretv2538 maybe you should know me :) I have owned 2x LRD4's still have one (both snapped the crankshafts under 100kms), now have 2x D5's would not go back to a D4 even if you paid me after having the 5's. Now I'm trading my last D4 for the new Defender P400, bring it on. Let me know if you want the D4 you may save me some trade $$$. Obviously, it's funds are the constraint judging by the comment, but you own the new one for a couple of weeks, there's no way you'll want to go back to the old model (apart from boot space when using 7 seats) - more capable off road, better towing, more responsive, more refined, better features, on-road handling doesn't even compare, kids love the extra space and the comfort of the seats there's just no comparison on or off-road, nor for the occupants between D4 and D5
That is a very good review! Thanks, man!
Hi - thank you for the great video - what is your experience of reliability with the D4 and did you trst drive the D5 in deciding about buying the Defender. I have a soft spot for the D4
Looking forward for gears to make discovery 3/4 look alike the new defender. Thanks powerfuluk in advance. You keep us alive and motivated.
Thanks very much for another great video on your new Defender. Did you sort out the restricted performance issue, my D4 did the same to me on the drive home after picking it up.
As much as I like the new Defender and even though it seems aimed at those that are not keen on the Discovery 5 (due to it having challenging looks shall I say), I think for now I will be continuing to run my D4 until something major goes wrong, plus most things have already been replaced anyway.
As someone who runs a farm and a marine business, has two kids, and two dogs my Disco 4 is more than just a car, it´s the swiss army knife of cars. I have a love for it like no other vehicle I have owned, workhorse that can swallow up almost anything you require, then with a quick change with the rear seats it´s a seven seater should you require. It´s luxurious and comfortable enough to do a ten hour drive, in fact because I work so much I find a nice three hour or so drive in it with classic FM on the perfect way to relax. Its properly capable off road with a good set of tyres, excellent towing platform and trustworthy on a wet boat ramp and easily the best winter vehicle I have ever driven, I live in Sweden so have some experience of that, it is far better than our other two vehicles, VW Touareg and BMW X3. Some of the Defenders look pretty nice I have to admit but I will never buy one, less load length, cannot fit a pallet and not having the split tailgate absolutely rules it out as a real working vehicle for me. I will run my D4 as long as I can, even if I have to repower it. My D4 is on 240,000 miles and still drives like new, no squeaks, no rattles, I haven´t washed or cleaned it in over a year and it still gets admiring looks (not a common car here in Sweden), I go upto Stockholm once a month and it still looks the part in the city covered in mud. In my opinion the D4 and the Range Rover L322 TDV8 are the best Land Rovers. Of course I like the old defenders but they´re a different class of vehicle.
THIS is the video I needed. THANK YOU!!
glad it helped
Very useful review. I was concerned about the width of the new Defender and thought it was wider than Disco 4. Having had several Disco 4’s I didn’t want anything externally bigger so now I’m much more inclined to go for the Defender. Disappointing that the pallet won’t fit in the rear though. Never actually had a pallet in my Disco 4 but lots of other loads such as beds and sofas which have just fitted so that’s a slight worry. I’d be interested to see how space in the third row compares as well. Sounds like it will be tighter than Disco 4.
The back door on the Disco 4 is a work of genius:
- you can use it as a picnic table, or put your sports gear, guns, rods, or whatever on it when you're preparing.
- the top part forms an 'umbrella' when it's raining and you can stand in the cutaway on the bottom door with the upper door keeping the rain off your head.
- If the car is parked up near the back of your garage again you can access the boot space by standing in the cutaway of the lower part of the door.
They should DEFINTLEY put the same design on the next iteration of the Defender, it's a real boon. No other 4x4 has this clever design. I'm not sure if many people have realised how useful it is. But the designer really knew what he was doing...
Wow, the best practical comparison I have watched. I was a bit meh before but now! Will have to look at areal one. Thanks.
It was a little random and rambling... but quite different from the normal stuff....
Love the comparisons, it is going to help as I believe handovers are going to be minimalistic. I am walting on our D200S to have its Country Pack fitted, don't know how long that will be as dealer is unable to tell me if they are in stock or no! Do you think the camera rearview mirror will be able to fit retrospectively as I didn't think it necessary at the time (October) we ordered now having test driven one this week I think I will need one?
Thanks so much for this. Very informative!
This guy is great! Full of energy and enthusiasm.
This was a great comparison! The Discovery's side windows look much taller. Does the Defender still feel "airy" and bright inside? I would also be really interested in your opinion, since you own both cars, as to how would you compare the ride and suspension refinement and comfort between the two? Thanks!
I think this confirms that the new Defender is aimed at the Discovery market, but in this comparison the Discovery is way ahead, even on colour in this case. The Defender is no longer a work horse, but a play thing , all the time the electronics work. Stay safe!
Agreed, it's designed for hipsters
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Another great video. I’ve had two Discoveries and miss them dearly. The only thing was the high maintenance costs. They were always going wrong.
When they are working they are a great tool
Thanks brother now I get the size and yes look like a successor
Hey Powerfulukltd, Great video! I'm really enjoying your comparative information of the different Land Rover models. After you measured the boot space I measured my Discovery 1 boot and from the back of the rear seats to the rear door is also 87 cm. Can you tell us about the driving characteristics of the two ? Kind regards, Tommy.
Guessing you are right that they are counting the spare wheel in vehicle length but the reality is a reduced load space and the big thing, narrower too. The pallet was an excellent demonstrator of this.
looking forward to learning about the load space on the 130, perhaps this will be the more natural successor to the D4?
Very practical review. Very helpful. Thank you
Its a bit like comparing your 2 kids.... you love them both but they are different !
Great video guys! That 20 cm differens in cargolength surely make a world of differense if you want to sleep in the car (camping/overlanding). Can you tell me were did you find that black ”D4” bonnet vinyl? Do you know if there is a similar ”D3” vinyl wrap? (can´t find it on your webpage...)
We cut the vinyl in house - will work on the video and lauching these ( d4 and d3 ) this week !
Great vid Simon.. Now can we have a vid on the L200 series 4 vs the series 5. Millllllllions of your viewers want it 😀
Hi there ive been watching your review on the newDefender .. as your D4 got air suspension like the Defender and have you checked The Heights on the suspension between the two.
Ralph
Thanks a lot, as usual your videos are interesting and entertaining. I am in the queue (a long one!) for my 110 P400e to replace my venerable old D3. I can’t wait. Really don’t care about all the moaning that its not a ‘real Defender’; so what, its a great Disco replacement and the D3/4 were already light years ahead of the old Defender for the vast majority of users!
I think you are not alone in jumping from D3/D4 to new Defender... let the old Defender crew have nostalgic fun in their old cars ( I have one of those too )
Thank you for having the stones to make this video! It really is a Disco 4 replacement. In styling you didn't mention the similarities between the headlights, the location of the Alpine Windows is in the location of the Disco 1and 2 not where the Defender had them, or how the rear door is like the original Discovery 1 and 2.
I believe this is built on a modified version of the old Disco 4 chassis. Likely the old factory machines as well.
Totally agree - this is a totally new car - no question.... but for a new car they sure have copied a lot of the bodylines !
@@L663 well it's not "all new" . Land Rover has already said the chassis is 95% new." That means 5% comes from something! If the roof, the doors, the windows, hood, fenders, are all new, then it must be the bits underneath that have carried over. Carried over from what is the question?
I agree it has a lot of design cues from disco 4. And previous discos. However. No chassis in sight. As mentioned monocoque construction.. whats disappointing me is the lack of room in the back. On the disco 4 we could sleep in the back on an overnight trip. Seats fold flat. Has the length. Also the rear seats have proper leg room. Suitable fir adults. I’ve done trips with seven of us us fatsos. No probs. Just a great design on the disco 4. Don’t forget the 3.0lt diesel with 600nm of torque. It’s a towing weapon.
@@gadgetphilosophy8290 the LR3/LR4 had an aluminum chassis with small steel sub frames. I believe it's the same but with aluminum sub frames, either bolted or welded. Manufacturers rarely start from new. They usually modify something and claim it's "all new" because it is no longer the same part number.
The same way the Ford Edge, Ford Taurus, and Ford Explorer were all the same basic chassis bits.
FABULOUS OFF ROAD DESIGNS .. sorry I have to disagree. Disco LR3/LR4 have ladder frame steel chassis and also Monocoque steel body. They’re the only manufacturer that did. They gave you a chassis for strength and the monocoque shell for handling (kept the body from twisting/on road handling ) point in case there’s many videos that show the body being lifted of the rolling chassis in order to access engine. I’m 100%. For the record I own 2 disco 4 and I’m a big techno/mechanically minded geek. The bonnet is alloy..
54k vs 8k as these two stand that is alot for good usb points and a slick infotainment screen. An older Disco4 has faults and will have more faults. However better the devil you know! Great videos you guys are making on this defender well done. Cheers
Awesome video, thanks for making this! I love both of them, but the new Defender costs almost six figure amount of money in my country... Even used Disco 4s are too expensive for now, I'd buy one if I could afford it (and the mrs wasn't objecting the boxy shape of it, LOL!).
This was incredibly useful, thank you. A newcomer to Land Rover, I'm in the process of buying a late Disco 4, and this has convinced me I'm doing the right thing - talk about Beauty and The Beast!
Yes get a nice model Disco 4 and look after it you will have a great tool for years to come.... its a workhorse and a family bus !
@@L663 Thanks, I hope so! But not much family to bus around I'm afraid. I just like the look and feel of the car, which makes me a bit of a fraud really. But I'm looking forward to taking it fly-fishing and trips into the wilds, a bit of logging, perhaps spending the occasional night in the back as it looks like there's space for that, and also pissing off some of my Lefty relatives. I'm told it ain't bad in winter either!
Excellent video comparison. 👍
you just convinced me that i need a discovery 4 in my life!
They are a great all round family bus...
I just bought a disco 4 lol
Well that's just put the price up on 2nd hand D4s 😂😂😂😂
You are correct - that will be the real test - the late Landmark D4's are commanding top money !
@@L663 i want to see how it fares to the original defender, But from what you have shown me, I cannot see it been a legendary motor or taking a beating etc like the old one did.
i had no idea defender was that big. The design made it look smaller than it is.
Great comparison vid. The new Defender looks like it has much wider wheel arches, will that give it more options for lift and bigger tyres?
Great video, thanks for sharing. Any chance you could run your tape measure across the width of the “boot” space and height to the top of the back seats on the new Defender please? Already got the depth of 87cm from this video.
my lr3 every weekend goes to a motocross track I pull a trailer at 180 kph with a single motorcycle, I get to the motocross track and I open the 5 door and I use the bench to sit eat etc., for me it is essential that bench
As an former owner of a Disco 4 and now owner of new Defender 110 this was a super useful video. Agree with the conclusion - my wife never saw the disco 5 as the successor and waited for this the new defender
How are you liking the New Defender, so far? Which engine and options did you choose?
Just curious, mine arrives in eight weeks. I am happy to see evidence that they are being delivered.
Great comparison. Exactly as I have thought and put in comments from the other defender video that it is a direct replacement for the D4. Bodes well for the INEOS Grenadier when that appears, will you be doing upgrades and mods for the grenadier as well??
I have not looked at the grenadier yet...
Great presentation. Got a D3 and might go to a new Defender.... But not this year not the next.
Good video. I run a D4 and one of the last Defender 110. Just cannot see myself buying a new Defender. Ton of cash... D4 a great car and load space and towing capability brill.
I towed my digger to France with the D4 and it was a dream ! I was apprehensive as i dont tow a lot and the D4 has 200K on the clock but it did it without missing a beat ! did not even feel the hills.
@@L663 Why would you ever want anything else than a D4, awesome vehicle , They are truly a Heinz 57 truck ...!!!!
Great review. Own a disco 4 and just test drove the new defender. The defender wins on handling, gearbox and infotainment. But thats mainly due to the technological advancements in the last than 10 years. The reason i will stay with my disco is because the defender lacks the airy and spacious feeling you get in a discovery 4. The side windows and front screen are much shorter than on the discovery and you dont have the same view. The defender felt like youre “stuck” in a box.
Very good comparison video 👍👍
Be interesting to see how well all those alloy struts and hub parts survive on washboard roads, if they shatter like alloys wheels do I’d rather have the extra 300kgs of steel parts!
Rupert Peace 100% agree mate. Aluminium has a tendency to fatigue. I’m sure they’ve added some magic formula. It’s a big unknown. Steel is tried tested and proven
Gadget Philosophy Great comparison!
Hi 👋 another great video
Thanks 🙏
I know which one I prefer, Disco 4 for the win 👍
Spoken as a man of cloth....seems like a few people agree with you !
powerfulukltd , hiya , adore my D3 , but must admit due to the crank issues of the D3/4 think many will be tempted with the new fender ,
this is the exact comparison I did in my head when saw the defender review.
I did it in my head too.... but was still shocked when i saw them side by side !
Land Rover should named the new Defender as the new Discovery PERIOD.
Anyways, it's an absolute awesome video you are doing man!
Great video, certainly makes you think. Could you do a comparison of the New Defender next to a Discovery 5? As they both have Monocoque bodies.
Thanks for this - for me, who really loves the new Defender but cannot afford one - but can, I think, should be able to afford a late model Disco 4 this video is perfect. But I then look at the website and realise that I then need to get all the extra LED lamp options for the Disco 4; especially the reversing and rear fog lights. ;-).
Update - bought my 2016 Discovery Landmark in August 2023 and, yes, I did do the Powerful UK LED updates. 👍
Great video as always , hope u don’t mind me mentioning there’s spelling mistakes on ur comparison chart , lol
Its OK - spelling was not my strong point... maybe i should blame George.... again ... but it was me !
Great comparison. I think it’s closer in style to LR3 than LR4., especially in country edition.
I think you are correct - the D3 was more basic that the D4.....but the reason i used the D4 was i think there are a lot of people looking to upgrade the D4 to Defender or D5..
Great video and a good side by side comparison. I am surprised! So little difference between a D4 and a Defender - c;early some newer tech, but design styling and size. Some great features in a D4 lost, like the split boot, but I do like a rear door mounted spare wheel. Maybe a wheel carier would have allowed both options.
The rear door is a big debating point - there are clearly pro's and cons of each....I think for day to day life the split tailgate is best... especially its easy to open when you are parked in a tight space... but the rear wheel is a great design statement. The new Defender door is quite heavy to open - i can see some people finding this a problem.
@@L663 Can I ask what has happened to your video Restricted Performance Explained and Fixed?
@@curiositylandrover Yes - i took it down - not due to pressure from Land Rover or not due to any payment or favour offered to me by Land Rover but the video served it purpose - to highlight the issue to Land Rover on quality and customer service. The video was becoming a focus for everyone who ever had a problem with a Land Rover and that was not its intended use.
@@L663 Thank you for your reply.
What a fantastic comparison! The new Defender definitely looks like more of a Disco replacement than a Defender replacement. That’s OK; the Disco was always a very capable vehicle. I’ve always been impressed by LR’s ability to come up with stylish interiors that really handle some rough treatment. We have 60 acres of woodland and use our Landrover in anger! I’ve had 5 Discos, from mk1 to mk3 but have now downsized to Freelanders. I was in the LR dealer today for an MOT and had a good look round the Defender. I really liked it but, to be honest, you’ve put me off. The interior rear space was the decider. Interesting that three of my Discos shared that opening rear door with the new Defender (2 x mk2 and 1 x mk1). On balance the tailgate is a more practical option. (By the way, getting that pallet in the new Defender was a heck of a lot easier than getting one in the old Defender!). Think I’ll go “big” again after my current Freelander. We’re looking to do some overland trips. Disco 4 looks like the best option rather than Defender following your review. (Definitely NOT new Disco!)
Hi Mark .. clearly it was not my intention to put people off the new Defender... its my favourite toy at the moment... but I wont be selling my D4... its just too good at towing / caring people around !
@@L663 No worries. It would actually be interesting to see a comparison between the new Defender and the new Disco. A Disco 4 owner who feels the need to move on could be considering going either way; Defender or New Disco.
Simon or anyone else in the crowd, would love to see a test of their off-road capabilities compared. Or at least hear a discussion about it. Military Mobility has 2x LR3’s and we have done some amazing things on the trail with them. Wondering if the new defender technology is superior or just the same as well? Looks like the terrain control knob and selections are the same.
I would have preferred the rear light cluster to the outside of the wings. I saw one on the A14 a couple of days ago. ( looked odd ) Other than that the “New” 2020 model looks brilliant 👍👍
So many thanks for putting this video up. Its the comparison I've been looking for. I have a G4 (genuine) Discovery 3 (V8) and planning a trip this summer (God willing) to the mountains in Europe. Disco 3 great for all the same reasons as the Disco 4, but reliability a issue so thinking of a p300 Defender. Wondering if the P300 has got enough grunt and torque for some heavy towing?
I think you may be better off with the P400 due to the Torque. I am not sure as i have not towed with the P300 yet.. although it seems that the P300 is a bit thirsty when pushed..
@@L663 Thanks, quite a steep 💰💰💰 uplift for the extra 100 ponies though. I did see some slightly better fuel economy recorded for the P400 so that would make sense. Perhaps best waiting for the D300 as P400 probably out of reach price-wise. Hopefully when the G4 Disco 3 G4 is out of the workshop (3rd time in in a month!) we'll have more confidence in it to take us to deepest Serbia and beyond. Would prefer to keep with petrol over diesel mind you.
Do you know if they use the same wheel sizes? Interested to know if my 18” compomotive rims will fit the new defender?
The stud pattern is the same on the Disco 4 as the new Defender.... need to check if the 18" wheels will fit.
Great comparison, thank you! I think the D4 has more practically, such as opening the split fold tailgate in a tight car park versus swinging out the large single door, and better use of elevated 7 seats with unsurpassed third row legroom, and a wider, longer and also looks like a taller load area. Plus I’m not a fan of too much reliance on touch screens, I really like buttons for the key features that are used regularly versus hunting through menus (and screens freezing etc). Personally I also think the final iteration of the D4 looks stunning (and better, in my personal opinion). Really, for me the Defender wins on weight (therefore no doubt handling and fuel economy) and technology, but with a question mark over “too much” technology with the double screens, especially if you want to take it to remote places. I just can’t fall in love with the D5, so for me the D4 is still the king!
I think many people will share your opinions..
Good comparison, could you please check overall lengths, as according to LR brochure defender 20 would appear to be longer than D4, keep up the good work.
It is, barely, if one includes the spare tire. If not, it is shorter -- to better departure angle. I have a D4 with a third row seat and it is fully adult suitable. Same for the D5. That is given away as a design trade-off for off-road with the new Defender. choices, choices ...
This would be nice, it would be a comparison between the old and the new defender! Action! 😉👍🏽
Does the Defender have stadium seating? Are rear seats higher then the front?
Discovery 4: “When you need to carry a pallet of crumpets to the Forrest .”
Well i was thinking of a new defender you may have just saved me a fortune lol discovery 4 looks like it would suit me better , thanks for the video
Thanks for presentation!
I bought a low mileage '16 Disco 4 after trying the Defender. £40k extra for the infotainment system and weight loss (and smaller boot) just didn't make sense. Love the look of the Disco 4. Timeless.
do you have a boot space comparison for a disco 5?
You are so smart to compare these everyone knows that the new Defender is the new discovery. I have owned a disco 2 and 3 and also an RRC I was heavily disappointed by the new discovery 5 and would consider the Defender but as a Defender I find it lacking
As soon as I saw the new Defender, I said it was the real successor to the Discovery 4 (or LR4 here in the US). Thanks for proving me right.
If only it had the same space in the rear !
When I was a kid, 10,000 years ago, our cars had a passive entertainment system.
We looked out the window! 🤯😱
I just love your plates. 'The Stig'
Glad you spotted this ! got these for a few hundred £ when the 19 plates came out !
I'd like to accompany my disco4 with a new defender 90.
Hey Simon, can you do a video on the evoque tail light condensation issue? I'm sure there's a way people could reseal tail lights if the condensation became a problem like mine did. We Love the evoque facelift lights and want to reorder them from you guys. Just want to get the condensation issue sorted.
Hi Jordan.. I am working really hard on this issue with the supplier. I have spend a few hours blowing into lights to find the route cause of the condensation. We have made a lot of progress and we are nearly there ! sorry for the problems todate.
@@L663 ok. Thank you Simon🙂
Oh and saw a video where someone weighed the new defender, claimed weight is 5000lbs but it was actually 5600lbs and that was with no third row seating.
My wife loves her Discovery 4 but it has been, by far, the least reliable vehicle we've ever owned. List of things that failed is stunning.
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