How GOOD was Kyogre ACTUALLY? - History of Kyogre in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 3-7)

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  • Kyogre is this week’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Kyogre in competitive Pokemon!
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    0:00 - Intro
    1:09 - ADV/Gen 3
    3:08 - DPP/Gen 4
    6:18 - Gen 4 VGC
    7:25 - BW/Gen 5
    9:24 - XY/Gen 6
    11:37 - Gen 6 VGC
    13:53 - SM/Gen 7
    14:52 - VGC Gen 7
    17:50 - Outro
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    DISCLAIMERS ON FORMATS COVERED:
    Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
    To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
    To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
    For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent and I will not fault you for using evasion or whatever, I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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  • @acc3209
    @acc3209 Před 5 lety +4883

    "Oh my 399 SpaAtk, 150 power move boosted by STAB, rain and Specs isn't strong enough" I love you Kellen, and another great video for the list as always

    • @HintedImage
      @HintedImage Před 5 lety +380

      You right. Gotta throw in a Helping Hand too-

    • @itsyaboychipsahoy.7989
      @itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 Před 5 lety +145

      Give it water bubble too.

    • @umwhoalol
      @umwhoalol Před 5 lety +81

      Timid was kind of an issue, ferrothorn, girarina, chansey, the lati twins, the "checks" would actually be able to check it if tried to run timid, so youd try to hide whether or not it was timid or modest or specs or scarf by going for the either way ohkos and hitting a check at a critical moment when its too late for the check to start recovering it off, outspeeding a giratina or another kyogre with timid, outpowering the others with modest.
      It shouldnt be understated that timid and modest kyogres had to be played differently

    • @EinsteinJR2
      @EinsteinJR2 Před 5 lety +10

      @@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 That would lesser the Power unless rain is already active.

    • @justarandommimikyu8474
      @justarandommimikyu8474 Před 5 lety +6

      Far Rightist Only one? You’re going to need 3 at least.

  • @rowletmaboi
    @rowletmaboi Před 5 lety +3430

    the gen 4 footage is just a compilation of Kyogre nuking everything with water spout xD

    • @tesorosdetinkertown8310
      @tesorosdetinkertown8310 Před 5 lety +364

      That pretty much sums Gen 4 Ubers

    • @TraumaCenter13
      @TraumaCenter13 Před 5 lety +35

      @@tesorosdetinkertown8310 exactly

    • @KW-12
      @KW-12 Před 5 lety +65

      Reminds me of the Final Battle with the Magician with a Kyogre which was a pain in the ass to beat.

    • @kazoorion7993
      @kazoorion7993 Před 5 lety +26

      That's becaus it's one of it's biggest niches.

    • @HeilRay
      @HeilRay Před 5 lety +37

      The water park era.

  • @stevenmattrell3448
    @stevenmattrell3448 Před 5 lety +1532

    4:27 Me when my 399 special attack, 150 base power move boosted by stab, rain, and choice specs just isn’t strong enough.

  • @chaosbreaker657
    @chaosbreaker657 Před 5 lety +2866

    Hey Kellen, here's an idea that I've been thinking about. What about discussing how good was certain status ailments (sleep, paralysis, poison etc.) actually. Like discussing how certain status mechanics worked per generation (example being how and why Toxic wasn't used much in Gen 1, but ended up being prevalent in the generations to come), as well as viability in competitive play (like how often was it used, and which Pokemon or teams used it often) per generation. If it doesn't eat much of your time, I'd love to see the history of certain status ailments in competitive play. Of course, you'll discuss only one status ailment per video.
    That's all, and excellent job as always. Keep up the good work ^_^

    • @linoinkyplantythingy
      @linoinkyplantythingy Před 5 lety +147

      Great idea!
      I'd post this to the community post too for better visibility.

    • @quiescent3775
      @quiescent3775 Před 5 lety +24

      yes yes yes yes :D

    • @nelsondaily
      @nelsondaily Před 5 lety +17

      Good idea!
      Sounds really interesting!

    • @chaosbreaker657
      @chaosbreaker657 Před 5 lety +28

      @@linoinkyplantythingy Although I won't expect it too soon, as Kellen has another Pokemon to review for this month. Though I'd like to see this sometime in the future.
      Thank you, though :)

    • @fulgenzio89
      @fulgenzio89 Před 5 lety +3

      Terrible idea.

  • @woogachan
    @woogachan Před 5 lety +454

    When in doubt,
    Choice scarf water spout kyogre it out

    • @gabriellk
      @gabriellk Před 5 lety +1

      Came here looking for this hahah

    • @Reshi9984
      @Reshi9984 Před 5 lety +2

      TM*

    • @Mayank-mf7xr
      @Mayank-mf7xr Před 5 lety +3

      you are a mam of culture op

    • @impulse1228
      @impulse1228 Před 5 lety +1

      Boi u should have added who made that quote which is thegarbodor u are plagarizing

    • @woogachan
      @woogachan Před 5 lety +2

      @@impulse1228 I forgot sorry :(

  • @clementlin552
    @clementlin552 Před 5 lety +880

    Ferrothorn is such a recurring character in this show it deserves its own spinoff

    • @harb1ng3r82
      @harb1ng3r82 Před 4 lety +91

      Now I’m just imagining a competitive Pokémon sitcom. WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH KYOGRE BEING UNCOUNTERABLE?

    • @donaldhenderson7703
      @donaldhenderson7703 Před 3 lety +19

      @@harb1ng3r82 LOL then Groudon says I just don’t know

    • @strangehobbyist4953
      @strangehobbyist4953 Před 2 lety +10

      @@harb1ng3r82 Zekrom's bolt strike is the best counter to Kyogre. It can switch in to it's water STAB moves and fry.

    • @Karsow2054
      @Karsow2054 Před 2 lety +9

      And it’s own spinoff it did get

    • @dhruvhosali2416
      @dhruvhosali2416 Před 2 lety

      And now it has one.
      Well it’s more like the main show now

  • @acc3209
    @acc3209 Před 5 lety +352

    Kyogre, Groudon and Rayquaza (even on their standard forms) are probably the strongest trio of Pokémon ever, I don't think that they needed upgraded forms but whatever, btw the designs are just amazing

    • @octoslut
      @octoslut Před 5 lety +67

      with their forms weather trio competitively are the strongest pokemon in the entire pokedex with things like xerneas being close

    • @andersonweir11
      @andersonweir11 Před 4 lety +12

      Yep glad ruby was first game.i agree weather trio was most dominant .xerneas gemoncy.yvetal wing and zygarde power probaly 2nd.gira dial palk good one too

    • @stygiandragon3865
      @stygiandragon3865 Před 3 lety +47

      This shows even in competitive, Groudon and Kyogre are both fighting for their respective weather. Just like anywhere else.

    • @RiOSquINTos
      @RiOSquINTos Před 2 lety +2

      finally a person who understands me

    • @rohakdebnath8985
      @rohakdebnath8985 Před rokem +5

      Weather trio > Life trio > Zacian crowned and Calyrex Shadow from Galar.

  • @DBZMacky
    @DBZMacky Před 5 lety +1162

    Kyogre was so good that you pretty much couldn't make a competitive team for a while without having something that counters it, or just using the big blue fish itself.

  • @aminadabbrulle8252
    @aminadabbrulle8252 Před 5 lety +1670

    Complete FSG evaluation so far:
    1. Charizard - pretty decent
    2. Venusaur - consistently good
    3. Unown - I don't know, who cares
    4. Blastoise - very, very mediocre
    5. Dragonite - incredible
    6. Starmie - great
    7. Snorlax - edge early on, but later dropped off
    8. Gengar - phenomenal
    9. Alakazam - great start, but later pushed down
    10. Gyarados - pretty good
    11. Chansey/Blissey - one of the best Pokemon
    12. Machamp - decent
    13. Arcanine - wasn't a bad Pokemon, wasn't a top threat
    14. Lapras - not that good
    15. Articuno - even more not that good
    16. Zapdos - pretty damn good
    17. Moltres - better than I expected
    18. Tauros - it were rough two decades for him
    19. Aerodactyl - decent
    20. Nidoking - pretty good
    21. Scizor - great
    22. Tyranitar - was and is amazing
    23. Rhydon/Rhyperior - decent, at least for a bit
    24. Shuckle - bad, until maybe gen six
    25. Heracross - honestly, it was pretty good
    26. Smeargle - pretty good
    27. Skarmory - amazing, in singles
    28. Golbat/Crobat - OK
    29. Slowbro - pretty good
    30. Wigglytuff - outclassed
    31. Porygon/Porygon2 - Porygon sucked, but Porygon2 was pretty good
    32. Porygon-Z - OK
    33. Seadra/Kingdra - hard to say, OK, I guess? Seadra just kinda sucked, really
    34. Onix/Steelix - Onix was outclassed, Steelix started out well, but never really got anything
    35. Azumarill - certainly wasn't a Pokegod, but once it got its combination, it was terryfying
    36. Magneton/Magnezone - pretty good, especially after evolving
    37. Sneasel/Weavile - Sneasel was pretty bad, but Weavile was pretty good
    38. Poliwrath - not great
    39. Espeon - hard to say, potentially one of the strongest non-uber Pokemon
    40. Umbreon - pretty decent
    41. Ampharos - wasn't that good
    42. Cloyster - pretty damn good
    43. Houndoom - a little underwhelming
    44. Togetic/Togekiss - Togetic f**king sucked, but Togekiss was pretty damn good
    45. Pikachu - pretty bad
    46. Raichu - pretty bad
    47. Breloom - pretty amazing, to be honest
    48. Garchomp - in a word, amazing
    49. Gardevoir - up and down
    50. Gligar/Gliscor - Gligar wasn't great, but Gliscor was awesome
    51. Feraligatr - it depends, kinda well, not great, but certainly not atrocious
    52. Typhlosion - not great
    53. Quagsire - man, I don't f**king know
    54. Meganium - sucks
    55. Dunsparce - sucked
    56. Donphan - pretty dang average
    57. Jolteon - for most of its life, really good
    58. Vaporeon - pretty good
    59. Flareon - sucked and still sucks
    60. Metagross - incredible
    61. Salamence - amazing
    62. Swampert - good
    63. Blaziken - probably best starter of all time... for now
    64. Wobbuffet - hard to say
    65. Sceptile - pretty below average
    66. Clefable - dramatically shifting its whole life, nowadays strong placement
    67. Tentacruel - OK, for a while
    68. Jumpluff - honestly not very good, but better than you might expect
    69. Exeggutor - steepest decline of all covered Pokemon
    70. Mewtwo - you're kidding, right?
    71. Mew - really good
    72. Lucario - really strong
    73. Kangaskhan - OK
    74. Flygon - never face of the tier, but always important and defining
    75. Milotic - proud representative of its kind
    76. Dugtrio - once it gain Arena Trap, it become the force
    77. Suicune - as good as it is regal
    78. Raikou - pretty good
    79. Entei - not that good
    80. Marowak - had a bone or two to pick
    81. Ninetales - not very good at all
    82. Gallade - pretty decent
    83. Tangela/Tangrowth - among the most forgettable Pokemon, but once it evolved, it become the damn important pick
    84. Electabuzz/Electivire - for the most part, quite bad
    85. Magmar/Magmortar - not good, like, ever
    86. Misdreavus/Mismagius - OK
    87. Pidgeot - bland, until mega made it viable
    88. Persian - sucked after first generation
    89. Roselia/Roserade - pre-evo wasn't great, Roserade was
    90. Weezing - always decent, at least in the lower tiers
    91. Ledian - one of the worst Pokemon of all time
    92. Muk - pretty alright
    93. Delibird - one of the worst competitive Pokemon in history
    94. Piloswine/Mamoswine - Piloswine was underrated, but since it evolved, it become the wrecking ball
    95. Froslass - definition of a specialised Pokemon
    96. Beedrill - until it got mega, one of the worst Pokemon, but after, one of the most important in UU
    97. Celebi - great, great Pokemon
    98. Aggron - pretty much on the below average side
    99. Lugia - every bit as good and some as in other media
    100. Infernape - overall, pretty good
    101. Sandslash - went from being decent to despondent
    102. Empoleon - pretty great
    103. Ho-Oh - pretty good
    104. Mawile - for its first three generations, seriously awful, but then become one of the biggest threats around
    105. Torterra - wasn't fantastic
    106. Golem - not all Pokemon can be amazing, and it is a prime example
    107. Shedinja - honestly pretty terrible
    108. Rayquaza - only superlatives describe how powerful it was
    109. Ditto - may not be the best in the older games
    110. Scyther - in the grand scheme of things, awful
    111. Staraptor - one of the best non-OU Pokemon of all time
    112. Lopunny - quite decent
    113. Ludicolo - wherever best aplicable has made its trainers jubilant
    114. Slowking - wasn’t a superstar, but was a solid overall Pokemon, and it deserves some pants
    115. Nidoqueen - her reign has been fruitful
    116. Pinsir - functioning quality, then launched into successful territory
    117. Murkrow/Honchkrow - the Sopranos of Pokemon weren’t great, but they had their place
    118. Claydol - victim of power creep
    119. Groudon - amazing and then some
    120. Kyogre - every bit as amazing as its legendary status would suggest
    and then some

    • @manongraymond5481
      @manongraymond5481 Před 5 lety +31

      Nice

    • @Seajojo
      @Seajojo Před 5 lety +25

      Nice! I liked for your work!👌👍

    • @hann5985
      @hann5985 Před 5 lety +28

      What a mad lad

    • @acc3209
      @acc3209 Před 5 lety +99

      Keep coping and pasting this comment throughout the next videos so we can deliver when the last of all Pokémon is done (although it'll take a while)

    • @nunooliveira1728
      @nunooliveira1728 Před 5 lety +25

      I believe the veredict for scyther was that it wasn't that good and that it was still solid in PU, what isn't saying much, but not an aweful result for a not fully evolved pokemon

  • @NuxTaku
    @NuxTaku Před 5 lety +2121

    Kyogre is dummy thicc tho

  • @raindropsr9892
    @raindropsr9892 Před 5 lety +875

    Me: How GOOD was Kyogre ACTUALLY ?
    False Swipe Gaming: *YES*

    • @0rcinus_orca22
      @0rcinus_orca22 Před 5 lety +8

      You haven't even watched the video yet...

    • @ThumberBulls6
      @ThumberBulls6 Před 5 lety +55

      LubbaForLife You don't really have to watch the video to know if Kyogre is great or not..

    • @SShaBazzz
      @SShaBazzz Před 5 lety +6

      @@0rcinus_orca22 Dude, Kyogre controls the seas and can put the world in an endless flood. It's not much more powerful you can get until you get to Gen4.

    • @acekun6493
      @acekun6493 Před 5 lety

      Yeah, that and Specs Kyogre in Ubers.

    • @pokemongamemasterHD
      @pokemongamemasterHD Před 5 lety +1

      I don’t wanna change the likes because this comment has 399 likes and that’s to perfect.

  • @halberd-3291
    @halberd-3291 Před 4 lety +611

    Kyogre, upon not being in Sword and Shield: “My son... I can no longer destroy in the rain like I could... continue on in my stead.”
    Dracovish: *nom*

    • @meghanaingleshwar
      @meghanaingleshwar Před 3 lety +8

      Kyogre-primal will clash with groudon-primal once again!

    • @GoldRichness
      @GoldRichness Před 3 lety +30

      meghanaingleshwar not yet. That's the thing

    • @michaelsnyman2800
      @michaelsnyman2800 Před 3 lety +12

      @@meghanaingleshwar we dont know if primals are coming back or not. Hopefully it does alongside megas

    • @Umayyasupremacy
      @Umayyasupremacy Před 3 lety +18

      @@michaelsnyman2800 Primal groudon is needed to check zacian, imagine wishing for primal groudon to return so much lmao, that's how stupidly broken zacian is

    • @michaelsnyman2800
      @michaelsnyman2800 Před 3 lety

      @@Umayyasupremacy trick room fixes that my friend

  • @Blaziken36
    @Blaziken36 Před 5 lety +514

    RIP primals 2014-2019

    • @Pikaton659
      @Pikaton659 Před 5 lety +129

      GregorianLad 134 they are getting rid of megas, so it’s probable. That is, if the weather trio even gets to make it into the Galar Pokédex.

    • @gengarzilla1685
      @gengarzilla1685 Před 5 lety +97

      Sword and Shield's cutting out Megas, Primals, and Z-moves.

    • @SharyK-_0
      @SharyK-_0 Před 5 lety +77

      F dynamax

    • @monkey_blu
      @monkey_blu Před 5 lety +87

      @@Squishyboyseth yeah, because you couldn't go to the appropriate tiers to play with your ideal meta.

    • @CylonDorado
      @CylonDorado Před 5 lety +8

      Gengarzilla Those were kind of dumb anyway, except Megas for otherwise bad Pokémon.

  • @mirewalker
    @mirewalker Před 5 lety +433

    Kyogre always reminds me of that conspiracy about the noise in the sea louder than anything ever recorded, the Bloop. I could just picture a gigantic Kyogre-like creature being the cause of it.

    • @thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938
      @thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938 Před 5 lety +1

      Satanael_CTGO
      💀💀💀

    • @zacharycrater2588
      @zacharycrater2588 Před 5 lety +48

      @Airock the Great when I learned that most pokemon are small I got so sad. I envisioned kyogre and it's legendary counterparts to be huge for the most part. I'm taller than most pokemon :/

    • @shatteredsentient5321
      @shatteredsentient5321 Před 5 lety +1

      BLOOP?

    • @mirewalker
      @mirewalker Před 5 lety +14

      EresirThe1st An ice shelf crashing is much quieter than the recorded Bloop. It’s still unknown what it truly was. The ice was a theory.

    • @TacNuke951
      @TacNuke951 Před 5 lety +10

      @@mirewalker Except the scientific consensus is that it was an ice quake

  • @newsupermariobros2862
    @newsupermariobros2862 Před 5 lety +670

    Primal Groudon:You can not defeat me
    Primal Kyogre:I know,But he can
    Golduck:Wassup
    Groudon:*Gets drowned*

    • @jimi_jams
      @jimi_jams Před 5 lety +22

      Nice to see The Garbodors love.

    • @stevenmattrell3448
      @stevenmattrell3448 Před 5 lety +12

      Centaur Man 2
      Golduck is best legendary

    • @padstah3747
      @padstah3747 Před 5 lety +12

      golduck should be in every ubers team even though it is pu

    • @jaschabull2365
      @jaschabull2365 Před 5 lety +44

      "We have an army!"
      "We have a duck."

    • @KageNoTenshi
      @KageNoTenshi Před 5 lety +18

      Rayquaqua is somewhere up in the sky laughing

  • @Mpoil777
    @Mpoil777 Před 5 lety +67

    This legendary trio really made an immense impact on the meta game.
    Every single one of them changed the meta in their own way.
    Especially with the primal forms.

  • @TheMacroShow
    @TheMacroShow Před 5 lety +1026

    No Wailord? Oh whale...

  • @bootortle
    @bootortle Před 5 lety +307

    Kyogre is the best of the best
    Awesome design, great stats, it's a beautiful orca boy

    • @Seajojo
      @Seajojo Před 5 lety +25

      It's my favourite legendary!!

    • @funkaydingo4151
      @funkaydingo4151 Před 5 lety +6

      @@Seajojo my favorite as well

    • @woahdude5553
      @woahdude5553 Před 4 lety +12

      my favorite legendary is regigigas... just because of the sounds it makes in Hoopa & The Clash of ages.
      and also the design is great

    • @sleepingzoro7530
      @sleepingzoro7530 Před 4 lety +2

      woah dude
      It is my favorite Pokémon. But competitively...
      Yeah.

    • @anonymousgoji
      @anonymousgoji Před 3 lety +2

      That smile though

  • @llamaryder1
    @llamaryder1 Před 5 lety +721

    who would win:
    an entire tier of all of pokemon's fiercest opponents too strong for even the most competitive tier of overused threats
    or
    one fishy boi

    • @travelandwatchcouple
      @travelandwatchcouple Před 5 lety +18

      you know the answer my man, it‘s your boi.

    • @kingsucc13
      @kingsucc13 Před 5 lety +81

      Isn't it technically one whaly boi

    • @Lauren_C
      @Lauren_C Před 5 lety +7

      Not counting z-moves, Pikachu would probably actually find a niche in such a hypothetical metagame as the Kyogre killer.

    • @monkey_blu
      @monkey_blu Před 5 lety +18

      Whales are not fish.

    • @ngh9025
      @ngh9025 Před 5 lety +5

      one fishy boi

  • @atharputra538
    @atharputra538 Před 3 lety +14

    2:47 damn deoxys got the whole bakery

  • @EdmacZ
    @EdmacZ Před 5 lety +85

    Thus closes out the most dominant mascot trio of Pokémon in the series. DonRayOgre is the best.

  • @cocomunga
    @cocomunga Před 5 lety +44

    Kyogre has great stats everywhere and summons rain. It could never be anything but extremely powerful.

  • @stevenmattrell3448
    @stevenmattrell3448 Před 3 lety +34

    Me when I found out that Kyogre can learn thunder: “Cowabunga it is.”

  • @alexjohnmason7107
    @alexjohnmason7107 Před 3 lety +46

    Alternate title: HOW OP WAS KYOGRES WATER SPOUT ACTUALLY?

    • @r3io4mf
      @r3io4mf Před 3 lety +2

      kyogres water spout can fire in spurts

  • @kingsucc13
    @kingsucc13 Před 5 lety +399

    Will another "How good was the ... type actually" ever happen?

    • @fernandoguillenperez7686
      @fernandoguillenperez7686 Před 5 lety +13

      I want to see the fighting type

    • @AlphaladZXA
      @AlphaladZXA Před 5 lety +16

      I want to see the steel type

    • @amiablereaper
      @amiablereaper Před 5 lety +2

      @D2o40 Akz gen V dragon was stronger IMO

    • @jaschabull2365
      @jaschabull2365 Před 5 lety +24

      The ... type probably wasn't all that great. It had only one attack to its name, and no pokémon that bore it, making it pretty situational, if you ask me.
      I wonder if he'll ever say how good the Bird type was actually. I've heard it was crazy good. Like, literally game-breaking.

    • @nerothewateruser8030
      @nerothewateruser8030 Před 5 lety +9

      @@jaschabull2365 heh, I liked that joke

  • @the_bookworm8281
    @the_bookworm8281 Před 5 lety +39

    0:48 "In Pokemon XD: The Ludicolo Chronicles Volume Two-- I, I mean Gale of Darkness."
    lmao

  • @zeropatience7825
    @zeropatience7825 Před 5 lety +299

    Nobody:
    Kyogre: I'm about to make it rain on this man's whole carreer

  • @Reereez4795
    @Reereez4795 Před 5 lety +20

    I absolutely love how Pokémon has managed to keep the legendary weather trio of Gen 3 relevant in the meta for so long. Such iconic legendaries, and definitely my favorite!

  • @xScatmanChris86
    @xScatmanChris86 Před 5 lety +105

    My all-time favorite legendary. Mascot of my first Pokémon game, which is also my birthstone and favorite color. Kyogre will always be top-tier in my heart

    • @TraumaCenter13
      @TraumaCenter13 Před 5 lety +8

      Me too, all my friends were on Groudon bandwagon while I stick with Kyogre.

    • @blaires5895
      @blaires5895 Před 4 lety +3

      Me too. Kyogre has been my all time favorite legendary until now. I just really love this seas basin monster.

    • @imurderpeople9744
      @imurderpeople9744 Před 3 lety

      Me too

  • @2yoyoyo1Unplugged
    @2yoyoyo1Unplugged Před 4 lety +28

    Maybe it’s just that Kyogre was my first legendary Pokémon, but he’s still one of my top favorites. Gen 3 legendaries were so badass.

  • @acc3209
    @acc3209 Před 5 lety +131

    I thought that you would at least mention that Shedinja is the best Kyogre counter in existence and our old friend Quagsire checks it like no other. But it's ok since you told us about that in their respective videos. Thanks Kellen for the effort!!!

    • @t3hmaniac
      @t3hmaniac Před 5 lety +4

      wouldn't Ice Beam screw over Shedinja? I think Bug is weak to Ice.

    • @cooperm4185
      @cooperm4185 Před 5 lety +9

      Gastrodon since BW is a better counter than Quagsire

    • @rossthemoss6827
      @rossthemoss6827 Před 5 lety +14

      Best way for primal Kyogre to counter Shedinja
      RUN Hp FIRE :)

    • @uriellopez6529
      @uriellopez6529 Před 5 lety +10

      @@rossthemoss6827 the move will fizzle out since it's ability negates fire attacks. I've seen toxic Kyogre so it's not totally impossible to counter l

    • @hunbi1875
      @hunbi1875 Před 5 lety +3

      @@uriellopez6529 thats only primal kyogre

  • @basedbarackobama
    @basedbarackobama Před 5 lety +64

    Them: use skill swap to restart rain
    Me: use skillswap to get Mega Launcher for Origin Pulse.

  • @Flamelance_Accendo
    @Flamelance_Accendo Před 5 lety +71

    Kyogre's old cry was the absolute best before it was changed.

  • @antonioallen9504
    @antonioallen9504 Před 5 lety +16

    Kyogre is my baby. Being the first legendary I ever caught since sapphire was the first Pokémon game I ever completed. This Pokémon is very dear to me

  • @tyson123123123
    @tyson123123123 Před 5 lety +20

    It's kinda sad that our old friend Quagsire isn't mentioned in the video, which was one of, if not, the best Kyogre check in Gens 3 and 4.
    Amazing video overall Kellen, like always.

    • @bryanc1772
      @bryanc1772 Před 2 lety +1

      252+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 192 SpD Quagsire: 140-165 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- 86.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
      That’s why. Ice Beam still hurts and Specs Ice Beam is worse.

    • @coletonbelcher
      @coletonbelcher Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@bryanc1772three hit KO is kind of irrelevant to a pokémon that knows recover and toxic

    • @bryanc1772
      @bryanc1772 Před 7 měsíci

      @@coletonbelcher in gen 4 yes but Gen 3 Quagsire doesn’t learn recover

  • @m.s.e.advanced2842
    @m.s.e.advanced2842 Před 5 lety +25

    When you think you're having a freindly match against your friend but he has both Primals and Mega Reiquaza on his team

  • @Juswin33
    @Juswin33 Před 5 lety +4

    I don't play competitive Pokemon, but I find these videos fascinating and have been binge watching them. Some really neat information and I've learned more about certain Pokemon and what they can and cannot do well. Great content.

  • @Moakmeister
    @Moakmeister Před 5 lety +86

    Kyogre: “you cant defeat me.”
    Groudon: “i know. But he can.”
    Primal Groudon: “TREMBLE BEFORE ME, UBERS. I AM YOUR RECKONING.”

    • @V2ULTRAKill
      @V2ULTRAKill Před 5 lety +15

      Skill Swap Bronzong: Get out of my ubers you fire ground twit
      Kyogre: My Friend is strong too

    • @Silentassassins229
      @Silentassassins229 Před 2 lety +9

      Mega rayquaza at AG tier: amateurs

    • @belimvasim143
      @belimvasim143 Před 2 lety +1

      Golduck with cloud nine : 😗

    • @laimaoda8443
      @laimaoda8443 Před 2 lety

      mega mewtwo:people do not recongise my power therefor i was locked in ubers while green snake got into ag and i shall release my wrath on you! coughs then uses psystrike to abliverate kyogre

    • @jaden8923
      @jaden8923 Před 2 lety

      *gains 4x water weakness*

  • @midnightmawile
    @midnightmawile Před 5 lety +60

    Tapu Koko boosting Kyogre's Thunder Wave. OOF. Thats a new one 🤣

    • @gabinlanglais602
      @gabinlanglais602 Před 5 lety +2

      I didn't know Twave does damage xD

    • @cooperm4185
      @cooperm4185 Před 5 lety +2

      @@gabinlanglais602 it makes me break my wall so not in game but I can assure you it definitely hurts

    • @gabinlanglais602
      @gabinlanglais602 Před 5 lety

      @@cooperm4185I trust you xD

    • @humbuckers1299
      @humbuckers1299 Před 3 lety +2

      @@cooperm4185 the real wall-breaker

  • @OrangeyChocolate
    @OrangeyChocolate Před 5 lety +37

    Kyogre remains one of my favourite Pokémon, not just among legendaries. Its design is amazing, and its power is deserving of its status.

  • @fallenwayward
    @fallenwayward Před 5 lety +10

    I would like to hear Kellen weigh in on the on the the galar dex only drama and possibly adress if effects it may have on the metagame, like creating power vaccums or creating uncounterd holes in the game.

  • @Noelfriday
    @Noelfriday Před 5 lety +141

    I always keep hearing about the Lati twins but no videos on them? Come on bro

    • @Godslayer5656
      @Godslayer5656 Před 5 lety +10

      That may be why there are no videos so far, the Lati twins are just really good, and covering them would take a really long time.

    • @bryanc1772
      @bryanc1772 Před 4 lety +4

      I can imagine they were both way to OP for ADV and DPP

    • @Ob1tuber
      @Ob1tuber Před 4 lety

      Ok have fun with that

    • @Noelfriday
      @Noelfriday Před 3 lety

      @person person
      Yea I watched it bro

  • @Alex_Off-Beat
    @Alex_Off-Beat Před 5 lety

    I'm amazed at how you've been able to consistently put these videos out every week for a couple of years now! I'd really like to see a behind the scenes/making of FSG video!

  • @NanaKyoto
    @NanaKyoto Před 5 lety +23

    Pokémon Sapphire was my introduction to the series, so Kyogre holds a special place to me.
    Just when Primal Kyogre becomes Dynamaxed, I'll be scared.

  • @ketchupacket
    @ketchupacket Před 5 lety +58

    Kyogre: *exists*
    Lugia: Am I joke to you?

    • @wilmer007
      @wilmer007 Před 5 lety +12

      you are if you aren't carrying Multiscale, Toxic, Whirlwind, Dragon Tail, Roost, Careful Nature and 252 Sp. Defense EVs. otherwise the joke is on Kyogre.

    • @mockshock6084
      @mockshock6084 Před 4 lety +1

      Wait dragon tail and whirlwind

    • @Samuel-qc7kg
      @Samuel-qc7kg Před 4 lety

      Mockshock for taunt

  • @gilbertguerrero2916
    @gilbertguerrero2916 Před 5 lety +21

    How good was Dialga ACTUALLY?
    I think it’s time to cover the 4th gen box art mascots. So yeah creation trio FTW

    • @Bronzor_
      @Bronzor_ Před 5 lety +2

      Good choice, but you have to vote for it on the community tab.

    • @gilbertguerrero2916
      @gilbertguerrero2916 Před 5 lety +1

      I’ve never actually voted for the next Pokemon. I just assumed he looked at the comments section/patreon for the picks. Thank you for letting me know!

    • @Bronzor_
      @Bronzor_ Před 5 lety +1

      @@gilbertguerrero2916 np

  • @Toni-uk4ks
    @Toni-uk4ks Před 5 lety +1

    I always like your videos before even going through them.
    I just know it's gonna be awesome. :D

  • @ahipsterkiller516
    @ahipsterkiller516 Před 5 lety +1

    This was amazing, it feels good to wake up on Sunday and watch a video of your all time favorite Pokémon.

  • @TheAwesomeDarkNinja
    @TheAwesomeDarkNinja Před 5 lety +4

    That glow Kyogre's model had in Battle Revolution looked so rad.

  • @supersmashbro596
    @supersmashbro596 Před 3 lety +8

    honestly i think primordial sea and desolate land should both be in effect, but only strengthen the water and fire moves instead of making them fizzle.
    you know, because when groudon and kyogre were both awake in emerald the sky would rapidly change between heavy rain and intense sunlight

  • @goldenhydreigon4727
    @goldenhydreigon4727 Před 3 lety +21

    Kyogre in Gen 4 be like:
    "I fear no mon, but that thing...
    *insert image of Parasect here*
    _...it scares me."_

  • @ZenoDovahkiin
    @ZenoDovahkiin Před 5 lety +43

    Short answer: It is Leviathan.
    Long answer: video above.

  • @dramaticScar
    @dramaticScar Před 5 lety +30

    And this is why I picked pokemon (alpha)sapphire

    • @lastofall3555
      @lastofall3555 Před 5 lety +4

      Primal Kyogre is ass compared to Primal Groudon

    • @xyzzy-dv6te
      @xyzzy-dv6te Před 5 lety +2

      @@lastofall3555 but Kyogre can be good without being primal

    • @ethanc.1443
      @ethanc.1443 Před 5 lety

      xyzzy51273 Normal Groudon and Primal Groudon are both Uber

  • @Zorua3
    @Zorua3 Před 5 lety +53

    And now, with Megas (and presumably Primals) wiped from Gen 8, Kyogre will be back on top of Kyogre v Groudon.
    ...Assuming that it's even in the game.

    • @webbowser8834
      @webbowser8834 Před 5 lety +3

      Making a looooot of assumptions there friend...

    • @TraumaCenter13
      @TraumaCenter13 Před 5 lety +2

      Yeah I was pissed when they said that not all Pokemon is transferrable.

    • @Zorua3
      @Zorua3 Před 5 lety +12

      @@webbowser8834 I've made two. Perhaps our definitions of "a lot" are different.

    • @deltaflash7889
      @deltaflash7889 Před 4 lety +1

      I swear to god if they remove primal forms

    • @hectorborrero4672
      @hectorborrero4672 Před 4 lety +1

      @@deltaflash7889 they are removed

  • @badboyeben7881
    @badboyeben7881 Před 5 lety

    These videos always brighten up my Sundays

  • @benjaminc3911
    @benjaminc3911 Před 5 lety +2

    I’ve been waaay to addicted to watching these vids to the point my whole recommended is just these vids

  • @Forgeries
    @Forgeries Před 5 lety +9

    Kyogre: No one can beat me
    Quagsire: Hold my beer

    • @goldenhydreigon4727
      @goldenhydreigon4727 Před 3 lety

      Parasect, Toxicroak, and Gastrodon: Allow us to introduce ourselves

    • @bryanc1772
      @bryanc1772 Před 2 lety

      252+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 192 SpD Quagsire: 140-165 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- 86.3% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
      Sure I can’t

  • @sosukeaizen7056
    @sosukeaizen7056 Před 5 lety +11

    Yup, the Weather Trio were, is and will continue to be *Top Tier*

  • @IssaaccKoh
    @IssaaccKoh Před 5 lety

    Your videos are awesome . Keep it up!

  • @Yurio9001
    @Yurio9001 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Referring to XD as the Ludicolo Chronicles Vol. 2 might be the best joke in this entire channel's history

  • @LadyLeomon
    @LadyLeomon Před 5 lety +4

    My favourite Gen III Water Type Pokémon? My Sunday Yays have been doubled!
    Thanks for yet another *awesome* vid False Swipe 💙=^_^=💙

  • @LSIS12345
    @LSIS12345 Před 5 lety +19

    when your 399 special attack, 150 base power move boosted by stab, rain, only has 101.9% to OHKO...😭

  • @HCRAYERT.
    @HCRAYERT. Před 5 lety

    I love this series, keep it up.
    Can you do Parasect next?

  • @TheGamersState
    @TheGamersState Před 5 lety +14

    Kyogre is still my favourite of the 3, don't get me wrong I love Groudon and Rayquaza but in terms of design, I just think Kyogre is the best 1.
    Hell, I actually played through Pokemon Ruby before Pokemon Sapphire just because I wanted to save the best for last.

  • @darknight67nightron19
    @darknight67nightron19 Před 5 lety +5

    False Swipe Gaming: releases video on June 16
    Me: thanks for the birthday present!! 😁👍

  • @gabrielcastillo9745
    @gabrielcastillo9745 Před 3 lety +3

    Gen 3: Groudon lures in Kyogre and hits it with a powerful earthquake.
    Gen 6: Primal Kyogre lures in Primal Groudon and hits it with a powerful earthquake
    Groudon: You dare use my own spells against me, Potter?

  • @bruh6113
    @bruh6113 Před 5 lety

    These videos are really entertaining

  • @ATM9318
    @ATM9318 Před 5 lety +1

    I've been waiting for this one. Kyogre is my favourite legendary Pokemon! :D

  • @TheDeathmail
    @TheDeathmail Před 3 lety +6

    Kyogre: I'm super effective against you
    Groudon: I have stab Earthquake and resist stealth rock
    Kyogre: F***

  • @thatoneguy2960
    @thatoneguy2960 Před 5 lety +6

    I remember playing Pokémon sapphire it was my first ever game for the GBA(Game boy advance)/Ds LITE
    Getting kyogre was insane

  • @windindi2834
    @windindi2834 Před 5 lety +1

    My favorite Pokemon!!!! Love you guys!!

  • @frankunodostres473
    @frankunodostres473 Před 5 lety +32

    >the ludicolo chronicles 2
    >probably still has a bigger pkmn pool than sword/shield
    > :(

  • @katialbert
    @katialbert Před 3 lety +6

    FSG: Always respect choice specs kyogre
    Me: You should also respect parasect

  • @Kaito-cm3cm
    @Kaito-cm3cm Před 5 lety +3

    During the segment talking about Kyogre in VGC 2010, it was mentioned that Hitmontop used Wide Guard to support Kyogre, but the move Wide Guard wasn't introduced until Generation 5. It's by no means a big deal, just wanted to point it out!

  • @spinceiling7442
    @spinceiling7442 Před 5 lety

    Can't get enough of these uber videos. Been my go to tier since gen 3 and I love legendaries

  • @somebodyrandomly
    @somebodyrandomly Před 2 lety +4

    He may be OP but boy does someone have to keep waking me up since Kyogre keeps fighting Groudon

  • @JustInCaseD
    @JustInCaseD Před 5 lety +32

    He protec
    He attac
    But most of all
    He bring the rain bac

  • @sarasaland4709
    @sarasaland4709 Před 2 lety +3

    This episode being 19 minutes feels like a mercy.
    Kyogre and Groudon could likely have hour long episodes each.

  • @quirkle7538
    @quirkle7538 Před 5 lety

    The best pokemon channel because its one of the most original in its presentation of its unique content

  • @Dividus
    @Dividus Před 5 lety

    I was literally looking up if you did a vid on kyogre this morning and here we are lmao

  • @SShaBazzz
    @SShaBazzz Před 5 lety +11

    One of my 3 favorite legendaries of all time.
    1. Mewtwo
    2. Kyogre
    3. Girratina.

    • @xyzzy-dv6te
      @xyzzy-dv6te Před 5 lety

      Kyogre and Giratina are my favourite legendaries too

    • @meme_guy924
      @meme_guy924 Před 4 lety

      Mine are:
      1. Rayquaza
      2. Mewtwo
      3. Kyogre

    • @laimaoda8443
      @laimaoda8443 Před 2 lety +1

      mewtwo is also my favourite not just legendary but it also my favourite pokemon

  • @goldenhydreigon4727
    @goldenhydreigon4727 Před 4 lety +4

    Kyogre: You can't defeat me!
    Garchomp: I know, but he can.
    *Parasect bursts out of the mountain*

    • @danielotano8677
      @danielotano8677 Před 4 měsíci

      Ice beam and parasect does nothing else outside of the ogre

  • @tsukimaru131
    @tsukimaru131 Před 5 lety

    Found an editing error at 5:10 with the frame :p still a pretty amazing video :D

  • @JonkoSlunko
    @JonkoSlunko Před 5 lety

    Never get tired of these. I wasn't a fan of gen 3, but I seen kyogre and groundon to know I hated battling against them.

  • @alcostello6114
    @alcostello6114 Před 5 lety +6

    I had no idea Kyorgre was so OP. Please make a “How good was Dialga” video!!!

    • @devilishyouth316
      @devilishyouth316 Před 2 lety

      Ok that has to be a joke its ability causes rain increasing power it gets calm mind to increase special attack and special defense its signature move is 150 base power and is stab plus choice specs

    • @alcostello6114
      @alcostello6114 Před 2 lety +3

      @@devilishyouth316 ok

  • @MACGUNESPLUSONE
    @MACGUNESPLUSONE Před 5 lety +4

    I remember back in "the day", the good old mewtwo vs kyogre debate....

  • @Professor-TripleExtraLarge

    I hope you do the hitmons soon!

  • @shichuanhoo3833
    @shichuanhoo3833 Před 5 lety

    PogChamp he delivered. Those weeks of waiting sure did pay off

  • @missingno.6224
    @missingno.6224 Před 5 lety +10

    How good was Deoxys ACTUALLY?

  • @The1_Static-X_Fan
    @The1_Static-X_Fan Před 5 lety +4

    Primal Kyogre's theme was arguably the best of Alpha Sapphire's ost.

    • @saxonjedi5878
      @saxonjedi5878 Před 5 lety

      have to agree between out the primals themes i do prefer kyogres

  • @linoinkyplantythingy
    @linoinkyplantythingy Před 5 lety

    This is gonna be a juicy video

  • @RiOSquINTos
    @RiOSquINTos Před 2 lety +1

    yey
    a video of my favorite pokemon card and game
    (wait all pokemon games in this video that was mentioned i had on the 3ds and wii)

  • @connorr-w9133
    @connorr-w9133 Před 5 lety +3

    How good was Mr. Mime Actually?!
    Seriously, that would just be an interesting video.

  • @alexroth67
    @alexroth67 Před 5 lety +6

    While I was always a Groudon person myself, there is no denying that Kyorge has been one of the best of best since it's debut. One of the most dominant Pokemon ever.
    Also tfw that Gale of Darkness and Battle Revolution footage looks better than Sword and Shield.

  • @christofferagustin6753

    5:54 that fast forward waterfall Kabutops looks like alien chasing after/running to clash the predator, feels scary man. 😬

  • @k3phrii
    @k3phrii Před 3 lety

    i always loved getting into a triple battle with primal groudon and kyogre on either side and mega rayquaza in the center

  • @Josh-ti3ox
    @Josh-ti3ox Před 3 lety +4

    Fun fact: Kyogre can hit harder than any other pokemon. Even Zacian-Crowned hitting something in dynamax.

    • @jacklaverty4310
      @jacklaverty4310 Před 2 lety

      Really wow he also the only pokemon to be the king of ubers for 3 gens arceus was only in Japan in gen 4 and in 3 4 5 kyogre was just insane and ever in gen 6 it won worlds in terms of consistency these know like kyogre and groudon and of course mewtwo

  • @Pepito_Sanchez
    @Pepito_Sanchez Před 3 lety +8

    How CUTE was Kyogre's smile ACTUALLY?

  • @xaviertyack5640
    @xaviertyack5640 Před 3 lety +2

    this makes me nostalgic, I want a Pokémon battle revolution style game on switch man

  • @shadyslims4006
    @shadyslims4006 Před 4 lety +1

    Sapphire was my very first Pokemon game and I loved playing through it. And to this day Kyogre is my favorite legendary and with him and swampert, they are the reason water is my favorite type